Milotic - Page 8

Jasper · Mar 11th, 2012, 2:31:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat MarvelScaleSamurai7k

Any advice on what pokemon i should use in a team with milotic?

I use a Ferrothorn with Stealth Rock and Spikes. It has good synergy with Milotic.

MarvelScaleSamurai7k · Mar 14th, 2012, 7:24:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Cipher Admin Lovrina

Which tier are we talking? I've been running it in OU. Milotic uses Dragon Tail, so it likes Hazards a lot. Any entry hazard layer, especially those with physical bulk are nice.

Don't wanna sound like a n00b even though i am but i don't understand a word you just said other than dragon tail and ou lol. that's why i can't wait until battle 101 starts. mind explaining just a bit?

StallMandibuzz · Mar 14th, 2012, 7:55:46 AM

Milotic loves hazard damage, so it can repeatedly Dragon Tail and get lots of residual damage off on the opponents. Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, they're all fabulous for team support. And it's pretty bulky, so it can take a few hits, use Rest, and activate Marvel Scale.

MarvelScaleSamurai7k · Mar 14th, 2012, 8:06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat StallMandibuzz

Milotic loves hazard damage, so it can repeatedly Dragon Tail and get lots of residual damage off on the opponents. Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, they're all fabulous for team support. And it's pretty bulky, so it can take a few hits, use Rest, and activate Marvel Scale.

NOw i have one final problem with milotic i can't seem to get one to pass the wi-fi checker in B&W with rest and sleep talk any suggestions on that and a good ev spread and moveset for her so far i'm guessing she should have dragon tail and rest/talk but for the last slot should i have ice beam or STAB surf?

StallMandibuzz · Mar 14th, 2012, 8:19:51 AM

I wouldn't know anything about EV spreads, but Scald is a good choice for Milotic. Scald is a pretty powerful move that has a 30% chance to burn. Quite handy to cripple physical attackers, or just to cripple most anything. Just avoid burning Guts users!

aim2game · Mar 23rd, 2012, 10:58:15 PM

Could Milotic go Aqua Ring/Dragon Tail/Scald/Substitute with a Flame Orb? Max HP EVs of course :)

Cipher Admin Lovrina · Mar 23rd, 2012, 11:06:55 PM

Aqua Ring is a terrible choice when Milotic can simply restore 50% with Recover and an extra amount from leftovers--Flame Orb also being a lackluster option as increased defenses are worth nothing with the hp decrease. Substitute is even worse without leftovers or recover-and it's not like Milotic has benefits to healing with a sub like Rain Dish... Just use Recover and Scald, then choose between Dragon Tail or Haze, Toxic or Ice Beam or Hypnosis or Mirror Coat.

DDRMaster · Mar 23rd, 2012, 11:34:54 PM

If you really want to activate Marvel Scale, use Rest and Sleep Talk, which work best with Scald and Dragon Tail due to their added effects.

Cipher Admin Lovrina · Mar 24th, 2012, 12:06:12 AM

It's SO satisfying to scald Jirachi that try to flinchax you after activating your marvel scale. Personally, the best way to activate Marvel Scale in battle is switching into predicted Will-O-Wisps from Jellicent, the first layer of Toxic Spikes, or Thunder Waves.

Tenodera · Mar 24th, 2012, 9:42:14 AM

Paralysis would be the best if it wasn't for those couple games where you're fully paralyzed at all the crucial points (I JUST WANT TO ICE BEAM THAT MENCE)!
First layer of Tspikes is a pretty good deal though. Burning the Forretress that was setting them up is even better!

Murkglow · Mar 24th, 2012, 11:21:39 AM

Really any status except Toxic is good for Milotic (its not like Burn really hurts much, your Dragon Tail doesn't do much damage anyway)... Unless you're Sleep-Talk Milotic then Toxic doesn't bother you any either (which is why I love Sleep-Talk Milotic so much).

If I had to pick the worst status to me it would be Paralyze. You can plan around the ticking damage of Burn or Poison but Parahax can mess you up and there isn't anything you can do about it sometimes.

StallMandibuzz · Mar 24th, 2012, 11:54:28 AM

Paralysis is the bane of many Pokémon, but RestTalkers can remedy that, along with Lum Berry, although Leftovers are Milotic's best friend. Basically, anything but paralysis isn't really a problem for Milotic, although the residual effects of burn and poison do wear you down a bit.

Cipher Admin Lovrina · Mar 24th, 2012, 12:56:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat StallMandibuzz

Paralysis is the bane of many Pokémon, but RestTalkers can remedy that, along with Lum Berry, although Leftovers are Milotic's best friend. Basically, anything but paralysis isn't really a problem for Milotic, although the residual effects of burn and poison do wear you down a bit.

Paralysis > Toxic, IMO. Just keep hitting recover!

StallMandibuzz · Mar 24th, 2012, 1:40:44 PM

But the chance to FP every turn can be fatal for your Milotic, especially if you're relying on that turn to use Rest, and you get FP'ed. Even though you will get the 50% Defense boost from Marvel Scale, paralysis is quite annoying with the FP risk after every turn.

Super Mario Bro · Mar 24th, 2012, 2:06:08 PM

Nah, I've played with Milotic long enough to know that she likes paralysis in almost every circumstance. The only status that I would say Milotic truly hates is full poison.

StallMandibuzz · Mar 24th, 2012, 4:08:36 PM

Mhh, perhaps, although being fully paralyzed for a turn or two still sucks for Milotic, especially if there's something that can really threaten it is on the field.

skyhigh256 · Jun 19th, 2012, 10:17:18 PM

In my opinion, rest talk milotic is the best set for use in OU. There are a bunch of hard hitters in OU which milotic can wall with marvel scale activated. Pair it with some other dedicated walls and you'd have a really good defensive core. Downside is the unreliability of sleep talk since it may pick rest.

Should gamefreak ever decide to modify rest-talk or AT LEAST make dragon tail 100% accurate gosh then milotic will have more going for it. Truth be told, milotic has the stats, the excellent typing for it to compete with the bigger fishes. Or a single stat-up move will help as well. How does calm mind milotic sound? hahaha

Cipher Admin Lovrina · Jun 20th, 2012, 11:09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat StallMandibuzz

Mhh, perhaps, although being fully paralyzed for a turn or two still sucks for Milotic, especially if there's something that can really threaten it is on the field.

Scald Burn + Marvel Scale makes most Iron Head Jirachi weep when they realize their gimmick isn't going to work!

LizardMan · Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:15:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Cipher Admin Lovrina

Scald Burn + Marvel Scale makes most Iron Head Jirachi weep when they realize their gimmick isn't going to work!

Jirachi wouldn't win regardless unless it had Calm Mind. Think Dragonite, Haxorus, or Terrakion when getting fully para'd.

Losing a turn against those pokemon are gamebreaking. (Although the defense boost is helpful at handling those threats.)

**Arcticblast** · Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:59:13 PM

Milotic's tutor moves: Aqua Tail, Bind, Dragon Pulse, Icy Wind, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Magic Coat, Sleep Talk, Snore

Finally, the Milotic I bred without Dragon Pulse in White isn't terrible! :D Really, nothing significant though.

Cipher Admin Lovrina · Jun 23rd, 2012, 12:44:57 AM

That's absolutely terrible. It got nothing new because most of those were egg moves before! I thought they'd at least give it something gimmicky like Soak (for poisoning Ferrothorn), Healing Beam for Double Battles... I was praying Milotic would get Quiver Dance even :(

Elephant · Jun 23rd, 2012, 3:17:30 AM

milotic is one of my favorite walls. it completely stops sweeps with haze, being able 2 take hits if she's a bold nature.

Draza · Jun 23rd, 2012, 4:40:25 AM

I've been having alot of success with dragontail on milotic it has stopped a reuniclus from completely destroying my entire team.

Mar 14th, 2012, 7:55:46 AM	#178
StallMandibuzz Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 779 Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!~~~	Milotic loves hazard damage, so it can repeatedly Dragon Tail and get lots of residual damage off on the opponents. Spikes, Toxic Spikes, Stealth Rock, they're all fabulous for team support. And it's pretty bulky, so it can take a few hits, use Rest, and activate Marvel Scale. __________________ ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US~ O_O Medium-Hard HeartGold Scramble! Black Scramblocke!~ Insanely Hard Platinum Scramble!

Mar 14th, 2012, 8:19:51 AM	#180
StallMandibuzz Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 779 Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!~~~	I wouldn't know anything about EV spreads, but Scald is a good choice for Milotic. Scald is a pretty powerful move that has a 30% chance to burn. Quite handy to cripple physical attackers, or just to cripple most anything. Just avoid burning Guts users! __________________ ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US~ O_O Medium-Hard HeartGold Scramble! Black Scramblocke!~ Insanely Hard Platinum Scramble! Last edited by StallMandibuzz; Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:02:15 AM.

Mar 23rd, 2012, 11:06:55 PM	#182
Cipher Admin Lovrina Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,024	Aqua Ring is a terrible choice when Milotic can simply restore 50% with Recover and an extra amount from leftovers--Flame Orb also being a lackluster option as increased defenses are worth nothing with the hp decrease. Substitute is even worse without leftovers or recover-and it's not like Milotic has benefits to healing with a sub like Rain Dish... Just use Recover and Scald, then choose between Dragon Tail or Haze, Toxic or Ice Beam or Hypnosis or Mirror Coat. __________________ Trade Thread White Code: 2193 7255 6108

Mar 24th, 2012, 12:06:12 AM	#184
Cipher Admin Lovrina Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,024	It's SO satisfying to scald Jirachi that try to flinchax you after activating your marvel scale. Personally, the best way to activate Marvel Scale in battle is switching into predicted Will-O-Wisps from Jellicent, the first layer of Toxic Spikes, or Thunder Waves. __________________ Trade Thread White Code: 2193 7255 6108

Mar 24th, 2012, 9:42:14 AM	#185
Tenodera Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 390 Ambassador for the Most High.	Paralysis would be the best if it wasn't for those couple games where you're fully paralyzed at all the crucial points (I JUST WANT TO ICE BEAM THAT MENCE)! First layer of Tspikes is a pretty good deal though. Burning the Forretress that was setting them up is even better! __________________ John 14:6 REGIGIGAS is so CUTE. My wifi occasionally acts up, but that's the only reason you'll see me disconnect. ;)

Mar 23rd, 2012, 10:58:15 PM	#181
aim2game Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 24 Texas	Could Milotic go Aqua Ring/Dragon Tail/Scald/Substitute with a Flame Orb? Max HP EVs of course :)

Mar 24th, 2012, 11:21:39 AM	#186
Murkglow Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 220	Really any status except Toxic is good for Milotic (its not like Burn really hurts much, your Dragon Tail doesn't do much damage anyway)... Unless you're Sleep-Talk Milotic then Toxic doesn't bother you any either (which is why I love Sleep-Talk Milotic so much). If I had to pick the worst status to me it would be Paralyze. You can plan around the ticking damage of Burn or Poison but Parahax can mess you up and there isn't anything you can do about it sometimes.

Mar 24th, 2012, 11:54:28 AM	#187
StallMandibuzz Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 779 Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!~~~	Paralysis is the bane of many Pokémon, but RestTalkers can remedy that, along with Lum Berry, although Leftovers are Milotic's best friend. Basically, anything but paralysis isn't really a problem for Milotic, although the residual effects of burn and poison do wear you down a bit. __________________ ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US~ O_O Medium-Hard HeartGold Scramble! Black Scramblocke!~ Insanely Hard Platinum Scramble!

Mar 24th, 2012, 1:40:44 PM	#189
StallMandibuzz Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 779 Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!~~~	But the chance to FP every turn can be fatal for your Milotic, especially if you're relying on that turn to use Rest, and you get FP'ed. Even though you will get the 50% Defense boost from Marvel Scale, paralysis is quite annoying with the FP risk after every turn. __________________ ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US~ O_O Medium-Hard HeartGold Scramble! Black Scramblocke!~ Insanely Hard Platinum Scramble!

Mar 24th, 2012, 2:06:08 PM	#190
Super Mario Bro And the wind became...crazy Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 799 ♪ I'm Cloudbusting, daddy ♪	Nah, I've played with Milotic long enough to know that she likes paralysis in almost every circumstance. The only status that I would say Milotic truly hates is full poison. __________________ ♫♫

Mar 24th, 2012, 4:08:36 PM	#191
StallMandibuzz Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 779 Do what you want 'cause a pirate is free, you are a pirate!~~~	Mhh, perhaps, although being fully paralyzed for a turn or two still sucks for Milotic, especially if there's something that can really threaten it is on the field. __________________ ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US~ O_O Medium-Hard HeartGold Scramble! Black Scramblocke!~ Insanely Hard Platinum Scramble!

Jun 19th, 2012, 10:17:18 PM	#192
skyhigh256 Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 40 Neverland	In my opinion, rest talk milotic is the best set for use in OU. There are a bunch of hard hitters in OU which milotic can wall with marvel scale activated. Pair it with some other dedicated walls and you'd have a really good defensive core. Downside is the unreliability of sleep talk since it may pick rest. Should gamefreak ever decide to modify rest-talk or AT LEAST make dragon tail 100% accurate gosh then milotic will have more going for it. Truth be told, milotic has the stats, the excellent typing for it to compete with the bigger fishes. Or a single stat-up move will help as well. How does calm mind milotic sound? hahaha

Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:59:13 PM	#195
Arcticblast is going goat Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,975 #serperiors Mentor	Milotic's tutor moves: Aqua Tail, Bind, Dragon Pulse, Icy Wind, Iron Head, Iron Tail, Magic Coat, Sleep Talk, Snore Finally, the Milotic I bred without Dragon Pulse in White isn't terrible! :D Really, nothing significant though. __________________ New to Smogon? Afraid to jump into discussion? Introduce yourself! ------------------- Fail Cup \| Scramble! \| RMTs: Blistering Sands (BH) Night Stall (OU) \| ARcTicblast \| Demon Spawn \| signature art by Zracknel additional credit to Pocket and AccidentalGreed

Jun 23rd, 2012, 12:44:57 AM	#196
Cipher Admin Lovrina Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,024	That's absolutely terrible. It got nothing new because most of those were egg moves before! I thought they'd at least give it something gimmicky like Soak (for poisoning Ferrothorn), Healing Beam for Double Battles... I was praying Milotic would get Quiver Dance even :( __________________ Trade Thread White Code: 2193 7255 6108

Jun 23rd, 2012, 3:17:30 AM	#197
Elephant Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 26	milotic is one of my favorite walls. it completely stops sweeps with haze, being able 2 take hits if she's a bold nature.

Jun 23rd, 2012, 4:40:25 AM	#198
Draza Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 30 Somewhere	I've been having alot of success with dragontail on milotic it has stopped a reuniclus from completely destroying my entire team.