Thundurus-T - Page 2

AJC · Jun 23rd, 2012, 11:47:38 PM

i think choice and 4 attack or 3 attack+agi LO sets are the best way to go while 101 speed is nice, it's no were near as nice as base 111 was so it's harder to go for a NP sweep when your revenged killed by so much more things than your base form was and or be a general prick without prankster T-wave to punish non elec immune scarf users.

TyranitarAbuser · Jun 24th, 2012, 7:02:35 AM

Thundurus-T really got to pay for its monstrous base special attack stat. I think that it will need a lot of team support in order for it to succeed. It might not be able to make Ubers again (101 speed? Really, GF? Must you put another special monster in OU? Isn't Latios enough for you trolls?). I don't have confidence in it setting up, so a Scarf/Specs set with Volt Switch will have to suffice. If it is used on a Volt-turning team, Rapid Spin support is necessary. Decent, overall, but very frail.

~~bubbly~~ · Jun 24th, 2012, 8:10:14 AM

Agility has been trolling so many teams for me. Now to try Scarf in Rain.

Griff · Jun 24th, 2012, 8:29:30 AM

before i've said that double dance was good but i also think modest agility is pretty good. i've yet to try the scarf set.

JSND · Jun 24th, 2012, 8:56:08 AM

With all these move tutors time to pull off some crazy shit

Double Thundurus, im calling it now !

AJC · Jun 24th, 2012, 9:28:24 AM

formes can't be used to break species clause so you can only have one of a mon even if they have another forme or more.

JSND · Jun 24th, 2012, 11:08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat AJC

formes can't be used to break species clause so you can only have one of a mon even if they have another forme or more.

Shoulve specified that correctly

Thundurus T and Zapdos

Griff · Jun 24th, 2012, 11:33:01 AM

the scarf set is amazing. i made a sand team and i needed something to hit rain hard and it works well.

Soarin · Jun 24th, 2012, 1:20:58 PM

So I've used Thundrus-T in a couple of battles now, And i must say, This guy is such a great scarfer. With his amazing base 145 special attack. He's a great late game sweeper.

soul_survivor · Jun 24th, 2012, 9:59:01 PM

Has anyone used sub+3 attacks. I've been getting some nice results with it. A base 145 sp.atk stat is good enough alone to damage opposing mons. Just switch in to something that can't hurt thunder and get a sub on the switch in.

hichez · Jun 24th, 2012, 10:46:09 PM

Would it be possible to run a mixed attacker with a life orb. If you invest in speed EV's you will still out speed most threats. Then Thundurs has access to wild charge if you want the physical STAB. Thoughts?

shofly12 · Jun 25th, 2012, 12:57:01 PM

I'm just theorymoning, but Thundurus-T looks frail to begin with and taking away its health with wild charge doesn't seem like a particularly smart thing to do. Especially when you loath priority and SR to begin with.

Scarfwynaut · Jun 25th, 2012, 1:48:25 PM

An uninvested base 90 attack makes even Blissey laugh at you.

wild charge vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Calm Blissey: 39.21 - 46.35%

**PK Gaming** · Jun 25th, 2012, 1:49:57 PM

Nobody should disregard NP Thundurus-T because its a very real threat now. Yes, the speed drop means it can't sweep through some of the fastest offensive pokemons in the tier (fighting trio, lati twins etc) but it's still an incredible wall breaker. +2 Focus Blast just hits so hard, and kills most of the Pokemon i've seen people use as "checks" to deal with Thundurus (Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, etc). It's not like base 101 is slow by any means either (though you're less likely to sweep offensive teams now).

The best part is that unlike the original Thundurus, Thundurus-T is immune to electric moves, which means that defensive jirachi's that rely on thunders to stop you are fucked and T-wave Blissey / Ferrothorn are limited against Thundurus.

Give it a chance, you won't be disappointed.

hichez · Jun 25th, 2012, 4:08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Scarfwynaut

An uninvested base 90 attack makes even Blissey laugh at you.

wild charge vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Calm Blissey: 39.21 - 46.35%

Sure, but if you had spikes or rocks set up that would be beneficial. Suck that Thundurus-T doesn't get any other physical electric moves. I guess you wouldn't have to use a STAB move; then I could see Zapdos be more beneficial. I'm going to run the calculator on some other Pokemon other than golden scenario Blissey. I like shofly12 justification better.

San_Pellegrino · Jun 25th, 2012, 8:57:28 PM

this is going to be child's play when volt absorb raikou is released in this rain dominant meta.

Pippy · Jun 25th, 2012, 10:41:00 PM

If you wanted to run a mixed set you'd probably be better off running Thunder and Superpower for stuff like Chansey, although Tornadus is better for mixed set anyway.

Lavos Spawn · Jun 25th, 2012, 11:09:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat San_Pellegrino

this is going to be child's play when volt absorb raikou is released in this rain dominant meta.

Can't wait to see that, for sure. If the metagame hasn't evolved into something more balanced by the time DW Raikou hits shelves, Rain is in for some pain. The standard SubCM set seen in UU on occasion will now be a tool of destruction in the hands of a madman.

Okay, all rhetorical strategies aside, Raikou's a boss. Thundurus-T, go cry about your base speed more please.

kaze no shinikami · Jun 27th, 2012, 8:34:20 AM

When i was seeing the therian formes stats for the first time, the first one i looked at was Landorus-T. it had amazing attack but lost to the original in speed. Than i looked at Thundurus-T. It equals Landorus in speed, and has as much special attack as Landorrus-T has physical. So... this guy is awsome. IMO it can play the role of scarfed revenge killer + volt turning tactic (or bluff the scarf with expert belt) much like landorus does in the sand. Until now i've only tried the expert belt set and i love it, the same way i love it on landorous. though i reckognize that it can also be a very powerful and destructive wallbreaker with the choice specs. i also see some use in the sub set and agility set as well.

BTW u-turn over volt switch, to avoid the electric immunities, especially gastrodon. I've found that guy to be ultra annoying.

Finally i'd like to state that it looks like rain offense will be taking the main role in the metagame (but i'm kinda new to competitive battling so my opinion doesn't really have much value i guess), and Thundurus-T will take a major role in this teams

Mesohardy · Jun 27th, 2012, 2:43:24 PM

Ppl should try the scarf set with volt switch, thunder, hp ice, uturn. It works so well. Can just u turn on all those ground switch ins and once those are gone volt switch away. Such an awesome set. Try that instead of focus blast guys. It works!

-Sun · Jun 28th, 2012, 10:30:45 AM

atm I don't have access to a simulator so I'm just theorymoning and have no B2W2 experience at all but I really wanna try sub + 3 attacks, sub + agility, double dance and modest LO agility. IMO most people will just go for choice but I'm thinking that the LO agility set is gonna be an amazing cleaner and lategame sweeper. Maybe you could pair this with something capable of tearing teams down (terrakion?) and just let thunderus mop up the remains. However I do agree it is much too weak defensively and priority murders it so maybe add something to kill priority users? Any ideas for teammates?
EDIT: What about a rain abuse set with hp water and thunder?

-Sun · Jun 28th, 2012, 10:38:07 AM

Thunderus-T @Life Orb
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Def/ 252 SAtk/ 252 Spe
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)/ Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk)
-Agility
-Thunderbolt
-Focus Blast/Hidden Power [Ice]/ Grass Knot
-Substitute/ Hidden Power [Ice]/ Grass Knot

Something like this?

ElectivireRocks · Jun 28th, 2012, 1:13:54 PM

Is Yache Berry worth considering on Nasty Plot sets? It could survive Mamo's Ice Shard and KO back with Grass Knot or Focus Blast.

TrogdorTEST · Jun 28th, 2012, 1:17:37 PM

Life Orb is alot more useful imo. Mamoswine should be handled by one of the 5 other pokemon on your team.

-Rockstar- · Jun 28th, 2012, 1:29:46 PM

Thundurus-Therian @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Naive Nature
- Volt Switch
- Thunder
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Superpower

Been using that on my Rain Offense team and it works like a charm, Clean OHKO on Ttar, 2HKos Blissey/Chansey.The other moves are typical of the man.

Jun 23rd, 2012, 11:47:38 PM	#26
AJC Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,189	i think choice and 4 attack or 3 attack+agi LO sets are the best way to go while 101 speed is nice, it's no were near as nice as base 111 was so it's harder to go for a NP sweep when your revenged killed by so much more things than your base form was and or be a general prick without prankster T-wave to punish non elec immune scarf users. __________________ <Misty> NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH CHOICE BAND JIRACHI INQUISITION. <Surgo> when a man whips out a pink DS and pokemon, you know he's not afraid of anything. <capefeather> explosion got ruined by the bad economy

Jun 24th, 2012, 8:29:30 AM	#29
Griff Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 239 New York	before i've said that double dance was good but i also think modest agility is pretty good. i've yet to try the scarf set. __________________ [7/2/12 1:44:44 PM] Thund: i just rub my textbook on my penis"

Jun 24th, 2012, 8:56:08 AM	#30
JSND Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 877 Indonesia	With all these move tutors time to pull off some crazy shit Double Thundurus, im calling it now ! __________________ I use Deoxys-D before it was cool Yet i still use Torterra in OU

Jun 24th, 2012, 9:28:24 AM	#31
AJC Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 2,189	formes can't be used to break species clause so you can only have one of a mon even if they have another forme or more. __________________ <Misty> NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH CHOICE BAND JIRACHI INQUISITION. <Surgo> when a man whips out a pink DS and pokemon, you know he's not afraid of anything. <capefeather> explosion got ruined by the bad economy

Jun 24th, 2012, 11:33:01 AM	#33
Griff Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 239 New York	the scarf set is amazing. i made a sand team and i needed something to hit rain hard and it works well. __________________ [7/2/12 1:44:44 PM] Thund: i just rub my textbook on my penis"

Jun 24th, 2012, 7:02:35 AM	#27
TyranitarAbuser Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 122	Thundurus-T really got to pay for its monstrous base special attack stat. I think that it will need a lot of team support in order for it to succeed. It might not be able to make Ubers again (101 speed? Really, GF? Must you put another special monster in OU? Isn't Latios enough for you trolls?). I don't have confidence in it setting up, so a Scarf/Specs set with Volt Switch will have to suffice. If it is used on a Volt-turning team, Rapid Spin support is necessary. Decent, overall, but very frail.

Jun 24th, 2012, 8:10:14 AM	#28
~~bubbly~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 884 Australia	Agility has been trolling so many teams for me. Now to try Scarf in Rain.

Jun 24th, 2012, 1:20:58 PM	#34
Soarin Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 21 I'm not telling you where i live. You stalkers.	So I've used Thundrus-T in a couple of battles now, And i must say, This guy is such a great scarfer. With his amazing base 145 special attack. He's a great late game sweeper. __________________ OS' Biggest Troll Leader of the Quack Attack Camreon Crazy Tiger Purple 2006 Mack 9 winner 2010 Mack 13 winner 7x Mack MVP Anti-MACtion

Jun 24th, 2012, 9:59:01 PM	#35
soul_survivor Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 876 StatenIsland, NY	Has anyone used sub+3 attacks. I've been getting some nice results with it. A base 145 sp.atk stat is good enough alone to damage opposing mons. Just switch in to something that can't hurt thunder and get a sub on the switch in. __________________ FC: 2709 6546 0200

Jun 24th, 2012, 10:46:09 PM	#36
hichez Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 52 Georgia	Would it be possible to run a mixed attacker with a life orb. If you invest in speed EV's you will still out speed most threats. Then Thundurs has access to wild charge if you want the physical STAB. Thoughts?

Jun 25th, 2012, 12:57:01 PM	#37
shofly12 Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 159	I'm just theorymoning, but Thundurus-T looks frail to begin with and taking away its health with wild charge doesn't seem like a particularly smart thing to do. Especially when you loath priority and SR to begin with.

Jun 25th, 2012, 1:48:25 PM	#38
Scarfwynaut Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,209 PA	An uninvested base 90 attack makes even Blissey laugh at you. wild charge vs. 252 HP / 252 Def Calm Blissey: 39.21 - 46.35%

Jun 25th, 2012, 1:49:57 PM	#39
PK Gaming Moderator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,562 Sumuru city	Nobody should disregard NP Thundurus-T because its a very real threat now. Yes, the speed drop means it can't sweep through some of the fastest offensive pokemons in the tier (fighting trio, lati twins etc) but it's still an incredible wall breaker. +2 Focus Blast just hits so hard, and kills most of the Pokemon i've seen people use as "checks" to deal with Thundurus (Tyranitar, Ferrothorn, etc). It's not like base 101 is slow by any means either (though you're less likely to sweep offensive teams now). The best part is that unlike the original Thundurus, Thundurus-T is immune to electric moves, which means that defensive jirachi's that rely on thunders to stop you are fucked and T-wave Blissey / Ferrothorn are limited against Thundurus. Give it a chance, you won't be disappointed. __________________

Jun 25th, 2012, 8:57:28 PM	#41
San_Pellegrino the eternal dreamer Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,603	this is going to be child's play when volt absorb raikou is released in this rain dominant meta. __________________

Jun 25th, 2012, 10:41:00 PM	#42
Pippy Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 645 Lick Lick Lick	If you wanted to run a mixed set you'd probably be better off running Thunder and Superpower for stuff like Chansey, although Tornadus is better for mixed set anyway. __________________ The Pokemon Rangers A group devoted to peace and having fun!

Jun 27th, 2012, 8:34:20 AM	#44
kaze no shinikami Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 1	When i was seeing the therian formes stats for the first time, the first one i looked at was Landorus-T. it had amazing attack but lost to the original in speed. Than i looked at Thundurus-T. It equals Landorus in speed, and has as much special attack as Landorrus-T has physical. So... this guy is awsome. IMO it can play the role of scarfed revenge killer + volt turning tactic (or bluff the scarf with expert belt) much like landorus does in the sand. Until now i've only tried the expert belt set and i love it, the same way i love it on landorous. though i reckognize that it can also be a very powerful and destructive wallbreaker with the choice specs. i also see some use in the sub set and agility set as well. BTW u-turn over volt switch, to avoid the electric immunities, especially gastrodon. I've found that guy to be ultra annoying. Finally i'd like to state that it looks like rain offense will be taking the main role in the metagame (but i'm kinda new to competitive battling so my opinion doesn't really have much value i guess), and Thundurus-T will take a major role in this teams

Jun 27th, 2012, 2:43:24 PM	#45
Mesohardy Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 13 Where I constantly get passed over in battling 101 rounds	Ppl should try the scarf set with volt switch, thunder, hp ice, uturn. It works so well. Can just u turn on all those ground switch ins and once those are gone volt switch away. Such an awesome set. Try that instead of focus blast guys. It works!

Jun 28th, 2012, 10:30:45 AM	#46
-Sun Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 25	atm I don't have access to a simulator so I'm just theorymoning and have no B2W2 experience at all but I really wanna try sub + 3 attacks, sub + agility, double dance and modest LO agility. IMO most people will just go for choice but I'm thinking that the LO agility set is gonna be an amazing cleaner and lategame sweeper. Maybe you could pair this with something capable of tearing teams down (terrakion?) and just let thunderus mop up the remains. However I do agree it is much too weak defensively and priority murders it so maybe add something to kill priority users? Any ideas for teammates? EDIT: What about a rain abuse set with hp water and thunder?

Jun 28th, 2012, 10:38:07 AM	#47
-Sun Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 25	Thunderus-T @Life Orb Trait: Volt Absorb EVs: 4 Def/ 252 SAtk/ 252 Spe Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)/ Timid Nature (+Spe, -Atk) -Agility -Thunderbolt -Focus Blast/Hidden Power [Ice]/ Grass Knot -Substitute/ Hidden Power [Ice]/ Grass Knot Something like this?

Jun 28th, 2012, 1:13:54 PM	#48
ElectivireRocks Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 307	Is Yache Berry worth considering on Nasty Plot sets? It could survive Mamo's Ice Shard and KO back with Grass Knot or Focus Blast.

Jun 28th, 2012, 1:17:37 PM	#49
TrogdorTEST Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 4	Life Orb is alot more useful imo. Mamoswine should be handled by one of the 5 other pokemon on your team. __________________ SOLROCK STRONG

Jun 28th, 2012, 1:29:46 PM	#50
-Rockstar- Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 239 Toronto	Thundurus-Therian @ Choice Scarf Trait: Volt Absorb EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Naive Nature - Volt Switch - Thunder - Hidden Power [Ice] - Superpower Been using that on my Rain Offense team and it works like a charm, Clean OHKO on Ttar, 2HKos Blissey/Chansey.The other moves are typical of the man.