Black and White Kyurem - Page 4

Rater · Jun 25th, 2012, 4:13:25 PM

From what I've read, it seems that Kyreum W is harder to counter/check than Kyreum B I've been searching for checks to this beast and the best i've found so far is special defensive heatran. I've provided some calcs to prove this.

Naive 252sp.att +lifeorb Draco meteor vs 252sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 32.38%-38.08%
Modest 252sp.att +lifeorb Draco meteor vs 252sp.def and 252hp , calm heatran= 35.75%-41.97%

Naive 4att +lifeorb Outrage vs 252sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 21.76%-25.65%

Modest 252sp.att choice specs Draco meteor vs 252 sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 41.19%-48.45%
Timid 252sp.att choice specs Draco meteor vs 252 sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 37.31%-44.3%

As you can see heatran can tank the strongest move in Kyreum Ws movepool and can't even be koed after draco meteor+outrage. Of course heatran can't take earth power without air balloon and focus miss without chople berry. Most Kyreum Ws wont be running focus miss due to fusion flare taking out most steels so air balloon would probably be the most suitable item in this case. What is apparent is that heatran can definetly take on the specs set with good prediction. It can even fight back with dragon pulse or torment to screw up kyreum.

4sp.att, calm dragon pulse vs 0sp.def and 4hp Kyreum= 45.92%-54.59%.

What is even more astounding is that heatran can actually survive a draco meteor+earth power from the life orb set.

252 (-2)sp.att, naive +life orb earth power vs 252sp.def and 252hp heatran= 62.18%-73.58%.
Its a shaky risk to take but, providing minimum damage and at full health, a naive draco meteor+earth power cant ko heatran. I think this calculation alone should make heatran one of the few reliable checks to Kyreum W.

**Furai** · Jun 25th, 2012, 4:24:27 PM

But, what if you are caught on the switch-in by Focus Blast? Neutral Life Orb Kyurem-W does 75% minimum. Fusion Flare also has 99.61% to 2HKO with Stealth Rock with the same Kyogre. Kyurem-W is definitely the new epitome of "oh crap" for me. Basically, a team that does not have Chansey is wrecked. Even Ho-oh is OHKOed after Stealth Rock!

Rater · Jun 25th, 2012, 4:42:12 PM

252sp.att, naive +life orb fusion flare vs 252sp def and 252hp heatran = 34.2%-40.41%.
This is no where near a 2 ko even with rocks up.
Il admit that specs fusion flare can 2 ko with rocks up. You would need to predict a draco meteor which isnt hard if your switching from a poke that resists fusion flare.
Chansey is destroyed by the mix set by the way lol

Prophet · Jun 25th, 2012, 4:55:30 PM

You seem to be forgetting that it has Focus Blast, which will more than do the trick unless you have bad luck with the accuracy.

Rater · Jun 25th, 2012, 5:13:56 PM

Most mixed sets for kyreum W will consist of draco meteor/dragon pulse, outrage, fusion flare, earth power/focus blast. Earth power is extremely more favourable over focus blast due to better coverage. Most specs sets will consist of draco meteor, fusion flare, focus blast, earth power. Obviously your not going to bring in heatran if you suspect focus blast coming your way. So, what im saying is that heatran will be a good check to the most popular sets and will be blasted very rarely by a random focus miss which only has 70% accuracy as well.

Rayquaza_ · Jun 25th, 2012, 5:17:07 PM

You need Ice Beam on the Specs set to deal with the Ice-weak pokemon the uber tier is full of (mainly Lugia and Groudon) more reliably.
Being SR-weak Kyurem doesn't like having to switch out often, which you'll have to do if Lugia switches on Focus Blast, Earth Power or Fusion Flare in the rain.

You shouldn't run both Earth Power and Focus Blast as they have redundant coverage and no STAB.

Rater · Jun 25th, 2012, 5:20:14 PM

Oh yeah, well ice beam would go over focus blast meaning that heatran would basically have nothing to fear but fusion flare+stealth rocks from the specs set which can be mitigated by using protect to gain more leftovers recovery :)

nygerman · Jun 25th, 2012, 5:22:37 PM

Hopefully this would make Kyurem an ou instead of a uu with roost.

Really, Kyurem doesn't compete too well in Ubers. Just another Rayquaza with no boosts. Essentially a scarf slave. There movepool is restricted to outrage, draco meteor, ice beam, and fire and electric. Although they are bulky and I see them overpowering no boost mixed attackers, in the end they're just Rayquaza's brother.

White Kyurem is way too hyped just like Reshiram, but Sun teams lose in the end.
Black Kyurem is Haxorus's long lost brother firing those powerful outrages.

**Furai** · Jun 25th, 2012, 5:27:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Rater

252sp.att, naive +life orb fusion flare vs 252sp def and 252hp heatran = 34.2%-40.41%.
This is no where near a 2 ko even with rocks up.
Il admit that specs fusion flare can 2 ko with rocks up. You would need to predict a draco meteor which isnt hard if your switching from a poke that resists fusion flare.
Chansey is destroyed by the mix set by the way lol

I forgot to mention sun. As for the mixed set, you're correct, I forgot Kyurem-W has 120 Attack. But I suppose a smart play with Chansey and a Physical Wall such as Skarmory can beat Mixed ones.

And no, Ice Beam is not a must. Everything that's weak to it is wrecked by Draco Meteor, including the ones you have mentioned: Groudon and Lugia. Kyurem-W is such a monster, dear god.

Rater · Jun 25th, 2012, 5:38:12 PM

With sun up, just about nothing can switch into Kyreum! I guess that would be a big factor in checking it. There are probably many cores that can safely deal with kyreum W, and if it takes 2 pokemon to stop this demon then its clearly overpowered lol

**Furai** · Jun 25th, 2012, 5:43:48 PM

I suppose that once you discover the set, you should be fine. Specs are checked by Palkia and Steel-types, Mixed by Chansey and a Steel-type. Also, keeping Stealth Rock up is a key when facing these beasts; 25% each turn is not enjoyable at all, and with the Draco Meteor spam they are likely to switch out a lot.

Rayquaza_ · Jun 25th, 2012, 5:53:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Furai

And no, Ice Beam is not a must. Everything that's weak to it is wrecked by Draco Meteor, including the ones you have mentioned: Groudon and Lugia. Kyurem-W is such a monster, dear god.

It is. A smart player will take advantage of Draco Meteor Sp.Atk drop and force Kyurem out. Ferrothorn in the rain can easily do that, but it's still 2HKO'd by Ice Beam after SR damage if I'm not mistaken. Same deal with Ferrothorn and Groudon.
Ice Beam does more damage than 2 Draco Meteors over the course of 2 turns, has better SE coverage and 100% accuracy. Not running it on a Choice set is a crime.

Pombo · Jun 25th, 2012, 6:22:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Rayquaza_

Ice Beam does more damage than 2 Draco Meteors over the course of 2 turns

95x2 = 190.
140 + 70 = 210.

Actually, thats wrong... Draco Meteor is stronger. Unless you meant it against Ferrothorn... Then even a single ice beam is stronger than Draco Meteor.

I agree with you, though. Ice Beam is a must on Choice Sets. Wouldnt be bad even if you used it only for Ferrothorn.

Rater · Jun 25th, 2012, 7:07:30 PM

em ice beam gets a stab boost making it 142.5 overall, x2 = 285.......

***Jibaku**** · Jun 25th, 2012, 8:17:27 PM

Except Draco meteor gets stab as well, making it 315...

I do think ice beam should remain a staple on choice scarf and specs, however. On scarf, it provides kyurem the ability to revenge ice weak arcei and not getting walled by lugia. On specs, ice beam acts as both kyurem's sustained move and it provides similar, yet crucially different coverage. Unlike dragon pulse, it hits skarmory, Excadrill, and most importantly, ferrothorn neutral. Like dragon pulse, it is not resisted by much, making it a solid move to just throw out there.

ZetoTarken · Jun 25th, 2012, 9:28:09 PM

I have to agree with Jibaku, Ice Beam is a must on choiced sets. Its essentially the same thing as running Draco Meteor + Dragon Pulse on the other choiced dragons except Ice Beam is stronger than Dragon Pulse, hits a majority of steels for neutral damage(!!!), and has that random freeze chance at the cost of losing damage on a few pokes. Most of the pokes Ice Beam does less damage than Dragon Pulse on are only coming in as revenge killers anyway, Palkia takes 76% minimum from Timid Specs Ice Beam, more than enough to keep Palkia from directly switching into you.

Now for something completely different: Modest versus Timid
I'll start by saying the Scarf set needs to be Timid to outspeed the scarfed base 90s that's a given.
For non-scarfed sets, Modest gives you more power while abusing the fact that most base 90 pokemon don't run max speed without a scarf, Reshiram being the only poke that seems to do so. Timid obviously lets you outspeed/speed tie other Kyurem and unboosted Rayquaza, but I don't think that outweighs the extra power from Modest. Timid 170 only gives 1 more SpAtk than Modest 150(Dialga/Reshiram) before and after applying Choice Specs. Essentially, you're trading Bulk, a SR resistance, and a better move pool for Speed, a better ability, and an SR Weakness in the case of Dialga. In the case of Reshiram, you're trading Fire STAB for Speed and better SE coverage. You can still outspeed everything important as Modest, but you also gain a bit of bulk and do noticeably more damage than Modest 150s.

Varfor · Jun 25th, 2012, 10:05:22 PM

If sandstorm is up, Arceus-Rock can deal with any type of White Kyurem quite well. If it runs a 252HP / 90 Sp.D / 168 Spd EV spread with a calm nature, it only takes 57.65 - 68.01% from Modest 252 Sp.A Choice Specs Kyurem's Focus Blast (52.25 - 61.71% from Timid). In return, it will always outspeed unscarfed Kyurem-W and deal 77.23 - 91.04% with Judgement, guaranteeing an OHKO if the White Kyurem takes Stealth Rock damage switching in. The only other set White Kyurem can run that has a guaranteed 2KO is a Modest Life Orb set, which it still outspeeds and has a 53% chance to OHKO even without Stealth Rock, due to Life Orb recoil and sandstorm damage (though relying on sandstorm damage allows the White Kyurem a chance to attack, which could be a problem if Arceus took damage switching in).

Of course, this relies on sandstorm and Stealth Rock being up, but it would be a good way for Sandstorm teams to effectively deal with White Kyurem.

WildShot · Jun 25th, 2012, 10:15:35 PM

Hey, I have a few questions about these guys.
1. Can you merge a Kyurem from Black or White with a Reshiram or Zekrom from Black or White?
2. Can you merge any Kyurem with any Reshiram or Zekrom? (To simplify question #1)
3. Can you merge Kyurem with a Reshiram from a different game in Black 2 or merge Kyurem with a Zekrom from a different game in White 2 (and so get Black or White Kyurem in a different version?

In fact, coyld someone just explain the whole merging thing, please?

Hydreigon · Jun 25th, 2012, 10:18:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat WildShot

Hey, I have a few questions about these guys.
1. Can you merge a Kyurem from Black or White with a Reshiram or Zekrom from Black or White?
2. Can you merge any Kyurem with any Reshiram or Zekrom? (To simplify question #1)
3. Can you merge Kyurem with a Reshiram from a different game in Black 2 or merge Kyurem with a Zekrom from a different game in White 2 (and so get Black or White Kyurem in a different version?

In fact, coyld someone just explain the whole merging thing, please?

yes, yes, yes

However you can't have more than 1 B/W Kyurem at a time

puregenius · Jun 26th, 2012, 1:20:32 AM

Kyurem-B @ Leftovers
Trait: Teravolt
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd
Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef)
- Substitute
- Blizzard
- Outrage
- Hone Claws

heres wat ive been using
similar to sub claw zek the main difference is that groudon will not enjoy trying to stop this (not that any groudon ever switches in)
it cant stop gyro ball ferro which can be problematic
the other main problem is that its only physical move forces zekrom to lock itself in

Rayquaza_ · Jun 26th, 2012, 4:12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Pombo

95x2 = 190.
140 + 70 = 210.

Actually, thats wrong... Draco Meteor is stronger. Unless you meant it against Ferrothorn... Then even a single ice beam is stronger than Draco Meteor.

I agree with you, though. Ice Beam is a must on Choice Sets. Wouldnt be bad even if you used it only for Ferrothorn.

Sorry, I meant it outdamages on things that are weak to ice but not Dragon (again, Groudon and Lugia). It also outdamages Draco Meteor on things that are neutral to ice but resistant to Dragon (Skarmory and Ferrothorn).

Ice Beam is just a very safe and spammable move in ubers.

MilfHunter · Jun 26th, 2012, 4:41:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Rater

From what I've read, it seems that Kyreum W is harder to counter/check than Kyreum B I've been searching for checks to this beast and the best i've found so far is special defensive heatran. I've provided some calcs to prove this.

Naive 252sp.att +lifeorb Draco meteor vs 252sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 32.38%-38.08%
Modest 252sp.att +lifeorb Draco meteor vs 252sp.def and 252hp , calm heatran= 35.75%-41.97%

Naive 4att +lifeorb Outrage vs 252sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 21.76%-25.65%

Modest 252sp.att choice specs Draco meteor vs 252 sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 41.19%-48.45%
Timid 252sp.att choice specs Draco meteor vs 252 sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 37.31%-44.3%

As you can see heatran can tank the strongest move in Kyreum Ws movepool and can't even be koed after draco meteor+outrage. Of course heatran can't take earth power without air balloon and focus miss without chople berry. Most Kyreum Ws wont be running focus miss due to fusion flare taking out most steels so air balloon would probably be the most suitable item in this case. What is apparent is that heatran can definetly take on the specs set with good prediction. It can even fight back with dragon pulse or torment to screw up kyreum.

4sp.att, calm dragon pulse vs 0sp.def and 4hp Kyreum= 45.92%-54.59%.

What is even more astounding is that heatran can actually survive a draco meteor+earth power from the life orb set.

252 (-2)sp.att, naive +life orb earth power vs 252sp.def and 252hp heatran= 62.18%-73.58%.
Its a shaky risk to take but, providing minimum damage and at full health, a naive draco meteor+earth power cant ko heatran. I think this calculation alone should make heatran one of the few reliable checks to Kyreum W.

Um all heatran can do is take the draco meteor/dragon claw, have its balloon popped, and then proceed to be completely useless for the rest of the match. If kyruem isn't choiced, and puts up a sub on the switch then heatran is dead meat. What can heatran do offensivley to threaten the other team except some gimmicky crap. It'll just set up rocks and die. p
Chansey can stop kyruem-W, at the very least it locks it into outrage and you can switch to a steel.

Rater · Jun 26th, 2012, 5:52:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat MilfHunter

Um all heatran can do is take the draco meteor/dragon claw, have its balloon popped, and then proceed to be completely useless for the rest of the match. If kyruem isn't choiced, and puts up a sub on the switch then heatran is dead meat. What can heatran do offensivley to threaten the other team except some gimmicky crap. It'll just set up rocks and die. p
Chansey can stop kyruem-W, at the very least it locks it into outrage and you can switch to a steel.

I never said that heatran could check the sub kyreum W set. It can, however continually switch into choiced draco meteors/ice beams. As of the life orb set, heatran requires wish support if kyreum is running earth power, which is where Blissey/chansey come in.

Rayquaza_ · Jun 26th, 2012, 6:13:09 AM

Blissey has a chance to be 2HKO'd by Specs Focus Blast. The chance is a lot higher with SR on the field.

Eviolite Chansey avoids the 2HKO from Specs Focus Blast if it's running max Sp.Def, but without Def. investiment LO Outrage will flat out OHKO even without ATk. investiment.

Because of this I think an Expert Belt set is perfectly viable on Kyurem-W.
Specs and LO mixed sets have completely different counters, so faking a choice set with EB is a good way to score some surprise KO's Heatran and Chansey/Blissey.

~~Pokémon Trainer R~~ · Jun 27th, 2012, 10:05:36 AM

Hyourinmaru (Kyurem-W) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Turboblaze
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Focus Blast
- Fusion Flare
- Ice Beam

This is... ultimate power. Being able to easily demolish Dialga, Kyogre, Groudon, Forretress and Tyranitar, which are all common leads, I can safely say that Choice Specs Kyurem-W is one of the greatest anti-leads in existence. Its ability to completely bypass Lugia's Multiscale with its Turboblaze-enhanced, Same Type Attack Bonus super effective Ice Beam is also absolutely amazing.

Jun 25th, 2012, 4:13:25 PM	#76
Rater Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 10	From what I've read, it seems that Kyreum W is harder to counter/check than Kyreum B I've been searching for checks to this beast and the best i've found so far is special defensive heatran. I've provided some calcs to prove this. Naive 252sp.att +lifeorb Draco meteor vs 252sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 32.38%-38.08% Modest 252sp.att +lifeorb Draco meteor vs 252sp.def and 252hp , calm heatran= 35.75%-41.97% Naive 4att +lifeorb Outrage vs 252sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 21.76%-25.65% Modest 252sp.att choice specs Draco meteor vs 252 sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 41.19%-48.45% Timid 252sp.att choice specs Draco meteor vs 252 sp.def and 252hp, calm heatran= 37.31%-44.3% As you can see heatran can tank the strongest move in Kyreum Ws movepool and can't even be koed after draco meteor+outrage. Of course heatran can't take earth power without air balloon and focus miss without chople berry. Most Kyreum Ws wont be running focus miss due to fusion flare taking out most steels so air balloon would probably be the most suitable item in this case. What is apparent is that heatran can definetly take on the specs set with good prediction. It can even fight back with dragon pulse or torment to screw up kyreum. 4sp.att, calm dragon pulse vs 0sp.def and 4hp Kyreum= 45.92%-54.59%. What is even more astounding is that heatran can actually survive a draco meteor+earth power from the life orb set. 252 (-2)sp.att, naive +life orb earth power vs 252sp.def and 252hp heatran= 62.18%-73.58%. Its a shaky risk to take but, providing minimum damage and at full health, a naive draco meteor+earth power cant ko heatran. I think this calculation alone should make heatran one of the few reliable checks to Kyreum W. Last edited by Rater; Jun 25th, 2012 at 4:49:43 PM.

Jun 25th, 2012, 4:24:27 PM	#77
Furai standing in the eye of the hurricane Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,096	But, what if you are caught on the switch-in by Focus Blast? Neutral Life Orb Kyurem-W does 75% minimum. Fusion Flare also has 99.61% to 2HKO with Stealth Rock with the same Kyogre. Kyurem-W is definitely the new epitome of "oh crap" for me. Basically, a team that does not have Chansey is wrecked. Even Ho-oh is OHKOed after Stealth Rock! __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

Jun 25th, 2012, 5:22:37 PM	#83
nygerman Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 127	Hopefully this would make Kyurem an ou instead of a uu with roost. Really, Kyurem doesn't compete too well in Ubers. Just another Rayquaza with no boosts. Essentially a scarf slave. There movepool is restricted to outrage, draco meteor, ice beam, and fire and electric. Although they are bulky and I see them overpowering no boost mixed attackers, in the end they're just Rayquaza's brother. White Kyurem is way too hyped just like Reshiram, but Sun teams lose in the end. Black Kyurem is Haxorus's long lost brother firing those powerful outrages. Last edited by nygerman; Jun 25th, 2012 at 5:37:47 PM.

Jun 25th, 2012, 5:43:48 PM	#86
Furai standing in the eye of the hurricane Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,096	I suppose that once you discover the set, you should be fine. Specs are checked by Palkia and Steel-types, Mixed by Chansey and a Steel-type. Also, keeping Stealth Rock up is a key when facing these beasts; 25% each turn is not enjoyable at all, and with the Draco Meteor spam they are likely to switch out a lot. __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

Jun 25th, 2012, 8:17:27 PM	#90
*Jibaku [02:06] <DixieNormous> Rodan x pookar: Just Do It Super Moderator** Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 5,910 Foursquare, a sprained ankle, bottlecap ninjas, and wallball	Except Draco meteor gets stab as well, making it 315... I do think ice beam should remain a staple on choice scarf and specs, however. On scarf, it provides kyurem the ability to revenge ice weak arcei and not getting walled by lugia. On specs, ice beam acts as both kyurem's sustained move and it provides similar, yet crucially different coverage. Unlike dragon pulse, it hits skarmory, Excadrill, and most importantly, ferrothorn neutral. Like dragon pulse, it is not resisted by much, making it a solid move to just throw out there. __________________

Jun 25th, 2012, 4:42:12 PM	#78
Rater Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 10	252sp.att, naive +life orb fusion flare vs 252sp def and 252hp heatran = 34.2%-40.41%. This is no where near a 2 ko even with rocks up. Il admit that specs fusion flare can 2 ko with rocks up. You would need to predict a draco meteor which isnt hard if your switching from a poke that resists fusion flare. Chansey is destroyed by the mix set by the way lol

Jun 25th, 2012, 4:55:30 PM	#79
Prophet Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 43	You seem to be forgetting that it has Focus Blast, which will more than do the trick unless you have bad luck with the accuracy.

Jun 25th, 2012, 5:13:56 PM	#80
Rater Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 10	Most mixed sets for kyreum W will consist of draco meteor/dragon pulse, outrage, fusion flare, earth power/focus blast. Earth power is extremely more favourable over focus blast due to better coverage. Most specs sets will consist of draco meteor, fusion flare, focus blast, earth power. Obviously your not going to bring in heatran if you suspect focus blast coming your way. So, what im saying is that heatran will be a good check to the most popular sets and will be blasted very rarely by a random focus miss which only has 70% accuracy as well.

Jun 25th, 2012, 5:17:07 PM	#81
Rayquaza_ Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 694	You need Ice Beam on the Specs set to deal with the Ice-weak pokemon the uber tier is full of (mainly Lugia and Groudon) more reliably. Being SR-weak Kyurem doesn't like having to switch out often, which you'll have to do if Lugia switches on Focus Blast, Earth Power or Fusion Flare in the rain. You shouldn't run both Earth Power and Focus Blast as they have redundant coverage and no STAB.

Jun 25th, 2012, 5:20:14 PM	#82
Rater Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 10	Oh yeah, well ice beam would go over focus blast meaning that heatran would basically have nothing to fear but fusion flare+stealth rocks from the specs set which can be mitigated by using protect to gain more leftovers recovery :)

Jun 25th, 2012, 5:38:12 PM	#85
Rater Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 10	With sun up, just about nothing can switch into Kyreum! I guess that would be a big factor in checking it. There are probably many cores that can safely deal with kyreum W, and if it takes 2 pokemon to stop this demon then its clearly overpowered lol

Jun 25th, 2012, 7:07:30 PM	#89
Rater Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 10	em ice beam gets a stab boost making it 142.5 overall, x2 = 285.......

Jun 25th, 2012, 9:28:09 PM	#91
ZetoTarken Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 226 secret	I have to agree with Jibaku, Ice Beam is a must on choiced sets. Its essentially the same thing as running Draco Meteor + Dragon Pulse on the other choiced dragons except Ice Beam is stronger than Dragon Pulse, hits a majority of steels for neutral damage(!!!), and has that random freeze chance at the cost of losing damage on a few pokes. Most of the pokes Ice Beam does less damage than Dragon Pulse on are only coming in as revenge killers anyway, Palkia takes 76% minimum from Timid Specs Ice Beam, more than enough to keep Palkia from directly switching into you. Now for something completely different: Modest versus Timid I'll start by saying the Scarf set needs to be Timid to outspeed the scarfed base 90s that's a given. For non-scarfed sets, Modest gives you more power while abusing the fact that most base 90 pokemon don't run max speed without a scarf, Reshiram being the only poke that seems to do so. Timid obviously lets you outspeed/speed tie other Kyurem and unboosted Rayquaza, but I don't think that outweighs the extra power from Modest. Timid 170 only gives 1 more SpAtk than Modest 150(Dialga/Reshiram) before and after applying Choice Specs. Essentially, you're trading Bulk, a SR resistance, and a better move pool for Speed, a better ability, and an SR Weakness in the case of Dialga. In the case of Reshiram, you're trading Fire STAB for Speed and better SE coverage. You can still outspeed everything important as Modest, but you also gain a bit of bulk and do noticeably more damage than Modest 150s. __________________ <Witty comment here>

Jun 25th, 2012, 10:05:22 PM	#92
Varfor Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 43 Canada	If sandstorm is up, Arceus-Rock can deal with any type of White Kyurem quite well. If it runs a 252HP / 90 Sp.D / 168 Spd EV spread with a calm nature, it only takes 57.65 - 68.01% from Modest 252 Sp.A Choice Specs Kyurem's Focus Blast (52.25 - 61.71% from Timid). In return, it will always outspeed unscarfed Kyurem-W and deal 77.23 - 91.04% with Judgement, guaranteeing an OHKO if the White Kyurem takes Stealth Rock damage switching in. The only other set White Kyurem can run that has a guaranteed 2KO is a Modest Life Orb set, which it still outspeeds and has a 53% chance to OHKO even without Stealth Rock, due to Life Orb recoil and sandstorm damage (though relying on sandstorm damage allows the White Kyurem a chance to attack, which could be a problem if Arceus took damage switching in). Of course, this relies on sandstorm and Stealth Rock being up, but it would be a good way for Sandstorm teams to effectively deal with White Kyurem.

Jun 25th, 2012, 10:15:35 PM	#93
WildShot Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 12	Hey, I have a few questions about these guys. 1. Can you merge a Kyurem from Black or White with a Reshiram or Zekrom from Black or White? 2. Can you merge any Kyurem with any Reshiram or Zekrom? (To simplify question #1) 3. Can you merge Kyurem with a Reshiram from a different game in Black 2 or merge Kyurem with a Zekrom from a different game in White 2 (and so get Black or White Kyurem in a different version? In fact, coyld someone just explain the whole merging thing, please?

Jun 26th, 2012, 1:20:32 AM	#95
puregenius Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 167	Kyurem-B @ Leftovers Trait: Teravolt EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd Naive Nature (+Spd, -SDef) - Substitute - Blizzard - Outrage - Hone Claws heres wat ive been using similar to sub claw zek the main difference is that groudon will not enjoy trying to stop this (not that any groudon ever switches in) it cant stop gyro ball ferro which can be problematic the other main problem is that its only physical move forces zekrom to lock itself in

Jun 26th, 2012, 6:13:09 AM	#99
Rayquaza_ Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 694	Blissey has a chance to be 2HKO'd by Specs Focus Blast. The chance is a lot higher with SR on the field. Eviolite Chansey avoids the 2HKO from Specs Focus Blast if it's running max Sp.Def, but without Def. investiment LO Outrage will flat out OHKO even without ATk. investiment. Because of this I think an Expert Belt set is perfectly viable on Kyurem-W. Specs and LO mixed sets have completely different counters, so faking a choice set with EB is a good way to score some surprise KO's Heatran and Chansey/Blissey.

Jun 27th, 2012, 10:05:36 AM	#100
~~Pokémon Trainer R~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 137 Darkness	Hyourinmaru (Kyurem-W) @ Choice Specs Trait: Turboblaze EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Draco Meteor - Focus Blast - Fusion Flare - Ice Beam This is... ultimate power. Being able to easily demolish Dialga, Kyogre, Groudon, Forretress and Tyranitar, which are all common leads, I can safely say that Choice Specs Kyurem-W is one of the greatest anti-leads in existence. Its ability to completely bypass Lugia's Multiscale with its Turboblaze-enhanced, Same Type Attack Bonus super effective Ice Beam is also absolutely amazing. Last edited by Pokémon Trainer R; Jun 28th, 2012 at 6:17:46 AM.