Pokemon Black 2 and White 2 Move Tutor Moves - Page 25

Thorhammer · Jun 28th, 2012, 10:16:46 PM

We should note that Breloom is a case specifically noted by the Pokedex.

melvni · Jun 28th, 2012, 10:26:30 PM

As I edited into my earlier post, according to the dictionary at least a punch doesn't have to involve a fist, it just usually does.

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Originally Posted by Fat Merriam-Webster definition of "to punch"

to strike with a forward thrust especially of the fist

Things like Wigglytuff and Breloom can do that. For whatever reason Gamefreak decided that Haxorus can't, and it doesn't get any punching moves. I put my guess in my earlier post, but really there are probably several other possible explanations for that being the case.

Anyway, trying to get bit back on topic, you guys think that Genesect will have any use for its tutor moves when it's released. It does get Dark Pulse, Giga Drain, Iron Head, Signal Beam, and Zen Headbutt. Anyone see any use for any of those?

Scarfwynaut · Jun 28th, 2012, 10:29:41 PM

The pokedex also stats Magcargo is 18,000 degrees F, over 3 times the temperature at the surface of the sun.

**Arcticblast** · Jun 28th, 2012, 11:30:35 PM

Why Haxorus doesn't get the punches:

I've always wanted to use this gif in a serious post.

Anyway, do you think Ninetales will more commonly run ResTalk or Pain Split? And what about Cofagrigus? Ninetales doesn't stay in for more than one turn most of the time, so Pain Split seems better on it. I think Cofagrigus's low HP is perfect for Pain Split, but ResTalk seems superior on it to remove status.

Soarin · Jun 28th, 2012, 11:38:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Arcticblast

Why Haxorus doesn't get the punches:

I've always wanted to use this gif in a serious post.

Anyway, do you think Ninetales will more commonly run ResTalk or Pain Split? And what about Cofagrigus? Ninetales doesn't stay in for more than one turn most of the time, so Pain Split seems better on it. I think Cofagrigus's low HP is perfect for Pain Split, but ResTalk seems superior on it to remove status.

I honestly think people will lean more towards ResTalk because Pain Split isn't as popular, But overall. I think that PainSplit Tales is actually the better option.

jle1076 · Jun 28th, 2012, 11:45:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat PK Gaming

Probably the same reason why Zapdos missed out on Hurricane while Articuno/Moltres got it. It's likely that they think that Haxorus with the elemental punches is overpowered; same deal with Zapdos. Why else did Druddigon get Fire / Thunderpunch despite having a similar body composition as Haxorus? It's that or they probably wanted to give us a reason to use Druddigon over Haxorus. Yeah, GF has always been a little shaky with balance, but they're not completely hopeless.

Have you seen a Druddigon or a Haxorus? There bodies are completely different in size/shape/structure lol

**Tobes** · Jun 28th, 2012, 11:54:56 PM

Hi flavor discussions aren't adding anything here, so stop them. Please keep it competitive and free of "what ifs". Let's keep this grounded in reality.

windwolf777 · Jun 29th, 2012, 12:04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Arcticblast

Why Haxorus doesn't get the punches:

I've always wanted to use this gif in a serious post.

Anyway, do you think Ninetales will more commonly run ResTalk or Pain Split? And what about Cofagrigus? Ninetales doesn't stay in for more than one turn most of the time, so Pain Split seems better on it. I think Cofagrigus's low HP is perfect for Pain Split, but ResTalk seems superior on it to remove status.

Just wanted this gif to stay with me lol. And on tails, I think rest talk will be better. Because hazard and let's say, toxic take their toll. But with rest talk she's able to shrug it off, rest off hazard damage, and still be able to toxic, fire blast, or whatever the hell she's running.

ThePillsburyDoughBoy · Jun 29th, 2012, 1:53:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat windwolf777

Just wanted this gif to stay with me lol. And on tails, I think rest talk will be better. Because hazard and let's say, toxic take their toll. But with rest talk she's able to shrug it off, rest off hazard damage, and still be able to toxic, fire blast, or whatever the hell she's running.

TBH I think SubSplit is where she will succed. Ninetales already has a setsimilar to subsplit with just filler moves in the 4th spot. It is practically begging for SubSplit to be on there ;,; I would imagine Pain Split can be put to good use especially against Tyranitar. Tyranitar comes in on Ninetales frequently and with so many people running the [s]garbage[s] mixed set, she can get quite a bit of health from that 404 HP stat. Even Politoed is good to sap HP from since the defensive set is neck-and-neck with the choice sets and it has a relatively big base 90 HP (384 HP).

**Taylor** · Jun 29th, 2012, 3:23:38 AM

Yes, ReStalk should make an impact now that it has been widely distributed and Ninetales could prove this statement to be true. I documented roughly one year ago on how much more stable Politoed with Rest was, due to how you can replenish your health on a vast array of threats and continue to pose a threat whilst still asleep.

Sleep Talk couples this combination together and allows for more team diversity as one is not so desperate to find Wish support in order to keep their weather starter fresh, yet make its presense felt as often as it can initiate an attack.

I ran Scald + Perish Song but feel it had much more to give then. With Ninetales, you're looking at either Roar + Flamethrower w/STalk or which ever is best suited for your team; maybe even Calm Mind and a physically defensive EV spread.

SubSplit is viable but behind Substitute, there is much more that you could do rather than to balance out you and your opponents' HP. For example, not making an attacking move when the opportunity presents itself and you misjudge the damage Ninetales is about to take directly as you attempt to scale out the margin between HP, you're instead forced to sacrafice one of your Pokemon to take the incoming strike. It's risky business and better left for Gengar alone.

bwburke94 · Jun 29th, 2012, 1:44:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat melvni

For whatever reason Gamefreak decided that Haxorus can't [punch]

Fire Punch would make it overpowered, due to Dragon/Fire combination with Mold Breaker. Reshiram's in Ubers for that same combination. Perfect coverage.

Nyktos · Jun 29th, 2012, 3:40:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat bwburke94

Fire Punch would make it overpowered, due to Dragon/Fire combination with Mold Breaker. Reshiram's in Ubers for that same combination. Perfect coverage.

Brick Breaker has the same BP as Fire Punch and already gives perfect coverage with Dragon.

EtherDrive · Jun 29th, 2012, 5:13:04 PM

So when does Honchkrow become top tier OU?

Honch @ Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Moxie
252 Atk/252 SpD

Super power
Brave Bird
Sucker Punch
Heat Wave

1 revenge kill and it wrecks pretty much every team

bluemon · Jun 29th, 2012, 5:17:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Taylor

Yes, ReStalk should make an impact now that it has been widely distributed and Ninetales could prove this statement to be true. I documented roughly one year ago on how much more stable Politoed with Rest was, due to how you can replenish your health on a vast array of threats and continue to pose a threat whilst still asleep.

Sleep Talk couples this combination together and allows for more team diversity as one is not so desperate to find Wish support in order to keep their weather starter fresh, yet make its presense felt as often as it can initiate an attack.

I ran Scald + Perish Song but feel it had much more to give then. With Ninetales, you're looking at either Roar + Flamethrower w/STalk or which ever is best suited for your team; maybe even Calm Mind and a physically defensive EV spread.

SubSplit is viable but behind Substitute, there is much more that you could do rather than to balance out you and your opponents' HP. For example, not making an attacking move when the opportunity presents itself and you misjudge the damage Ninetales is about to take directly as you attempt to scale out the margin between HP, you're instead forced to sacrafice one of your Pokemon to take the incoming strike. It's risky business and better left for Gengar alone.

Restalk politoed was always legal, and that didn't see much use...

Danger Mouse · Jun 29th, 2012, 7:51:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat bwburke94

Fire Punch would make it overpowered, due to Dragon/Fire combination with Mold Breaker. Reshiram's in Ubers for that same combination. Perfect coverage.

But keep in mind that Reshiram gets STAB on its perfect coverage, and is the only pokemon that exists that can hit EVERYTHING for neutral damage with its STAB alone. That's kind of a big deal.

A Fhaol Bhig · Jun 29th, 2012, 8:34:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat bluemon

Restalk politoed was always legal, and that didn't see much use...

To be fair though, Politoed can actually take a a few hits.

**voodoo pimp** · Jun 29th, 2012, 10:59:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Danger Mouse

But keep in mind that Reshiram gets STAB on its perfect coverage, and is the only pokemon that exists that can hit EVERYTHING for neutral damage with its STAB alone. That's kind of a big deal.

And also that Reshiram has a much more powerful Fire attack even before STAB, and a much higher base stat total.

**Taylor** · Jun 30th, 2012, 5:41:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat bluemon

Restalk politoed was always legal, and that didn't see much use...

That's not news to anyone. I said I tested it last year, you miss that? It's more viable on RainStall than Protect; especially considering rain is forced to call upon Tentacruel early enough to lay down Toxic Spikes, making Toxic on Toed less useful all around. It makes more sense to replenish your health completely and simply use a cleric if you're uncomfortable with Sleep Talk selecting Rest.

Giving Haxorus Fire Punch sends Skarmory packing. There'd be no reason to run Magnezone if the Swords Dance set, in theory, can whitewash OU given you play intelligently. It would be like handing Hydreigon Quiver Dance.

***Haunter***** · Jun 30th, 2012, 5:44:53 AM

It was already mentioned a few pages ago, but +2 aqua tail in rain or superpower can do up to 80-85% to Skarmory making it no longer a surefire Haxorus counter despite the fact that Hax didn't get fire punch.

p.s. Taylor get on PS! so I can stalk your battles :P

EminenceFront · Jun 30th, 2012, 10:30:08 AM

So does anyone think Gravity will be more than a gimmick with its new users? Tried to put together a team to use it myself and failed miserably.

~~superbadd~~ · Jun 30th, 2012, 10:41:22 AM

Yeah, it's just a gimmick at best. Would be nice to have an automatic gravity setter, just like weather.

alphatron · Jun 30th, 2012, 10:44:32 AM

I have seena few landorus use gravity so I wouldn't write it out just yet. Unlike smack down, your opponent can't simply switch out the Pokemon to solve their problems.

EminenceFront · Jun 30th, 2012, 11:49:49 AM

Hmm, I don't know about automatic, but maybe a held item to extend duration.

And Landorus isn't one I'd thought of, sounds like a solid option.

(Also still dreaming of Trick Room extension item)

Porii Sames · Jun 30th, 2012, 2:19:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Taylor

That's not news to anyone. I said I tested it last year, you miss that? It's more viable on RainStall than Protect; especially considering rain is forced to call upon Tentacruel early enough to lay down Toxic Spikes, making Toxic on Toed less useful all around. It makes more sense to replenish your health completely and simply use a cleric if you're uncomfortable with Sleep Talk selecting Rest.

To be honest, at least on my own Rainstall, I've found that Protect (which is fantastic for scouting and giving you a pseudo-recovery move), Scald (obvious STAB, burn on flyers is nice), Perish (kills set up mons), and Encore (for slower CM Users, or just slower anything really, Encoring a Ferro on Stealth Rock, Encoring Spin on Forry, etc. ) was my set of choice, and it still worked very well. Resttalk never really did anything for me, and I had a cleric and no wishpasser.

jg1198 · Jun 30th, 2012, 2:41:06 PM

Is there any remaining talk of retesting the old bans? I still want garchomp back. Sand is so hampered in the new metagame, it needs at least one of its abusers back, and Excadrill is still to broken. Rain has Dragonite with aqua tail, STAB Hurricane, and thunder, Sun is an advantage to any dragon with a fire type move to help it ruin steels, Hail has Kyurem with STAB Blizzard wrecking everything that doesn't resist it, meanwhile sand has no real dragon abuser.

Jun 28th, 2012, 11:30:35 PM	#604
Arcticblast is going goat Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 2,963 #serperiors Mentor	Why Haxorus doesn't get the punches: I've always wanted to use this gif in a serious post. Anyway, do you think Ninetales will more commonly run ResTalk or Pain Split? And what about Cofagrigus? Ninetales doesn't stay in for more than one turn most of the time, so Pain Split seems better on it. I think Cofagrigus's low HP is perfect for Pain Split, but ResTalk seems superior on it to remove status. __________________ New to Smogon? Afraid to jump into discussion? Introduce yourself! ------------------- Fail Cup \| Scramble! \| RMTs: Blistering Sands (BH) Night Stall (OU) \| The Fringe Tournament \| ARcTicblast \| Other Metagames Premier League \| avatar by raikou00, signature art by Zracknel additional credit to Pocket and AccidentalGreed

Jun 28th, 2012, 11:54:56 PM	#607
Tobes Woo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo, woo-hoo-hoo-woo-hoo-hoo-hoo! Moderator Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 2,246 GONER	Hi flavor discussions aren't adding anything here, so stop them. Please keep it competitive and free of "what ifs". Let's keep this grounded in reality. __________________

Jun 29th, 2012, 3:23:38 AM	#610
Taylor no.... no i do not look like psyduck Moderator Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,988 play?	Yes, ReStalk should make an impact now that it has been widely distributed and Ninetales could prove this statement to be true. I documented roughly one year ago on how much more stable Politoed with Rest was, due to how you can replenish your health on a vast array of threats and continue to pose a threat whilst still asleep. Sleep Talk couples this combination together and allows for more team diversity as one is not so desperate to find Wish support in order to keep their weather starter fresh, yet make its presense felt as often as it can initiate an attack. I ran Scald + Perish Song but feel it had much more to give then. With Ninetales, you're looking at either Roar + Flamethrower w/STalk or which ever is best suited for your team; maybe even Calm Mind and a physically defensive EV spread. SubSplit is viable but behind Substitute, there is much more that you could do rather than to balance out you and your opponents' HP. For example, not making an attacking move when the opportunity presents itself and you misjudge the damage Ninetales is about to take directly as you attempt to scale out the margin between HP, you're instead forced to sacrafice one of your Pokemon to take the incoming strike. It's risky business and better left for Gengar alone. __________________

Jun 29th, 2012, 5:13:04 PM	#613
EtherDrive Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 198 In The House Bathing My Cyndaquils	So when does Honchkrow become top tier OU? Honch @ Life Orb Nature: Adamant Ability: Moxie 252 Atk/252 SpD Super power Brave Bird Sucker Punch Heat Wave 1 revenge kill and it wrecks pretty much every team __________________ PO: Tienty Tier: UU

Jun 30th, 2012, 10:44:32 AM	#622
alphatron Volt turn in every tier! I'm in despair! Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,357	I have seena few landorus use gravity so I wouldn't write it out just yet. Unlike smack down, your opponent can't simply switch out the Pokemon to solve their problems. __________________ Fifth Gen OU RMT: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...67#post3383567

Jun 28th, 2012, 10:16:46 PM	#601
Thorhammer Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,303 Pennsylvania	We should note that Breloom is a case specifically noted by the Pokedex.

Jun 28th, 2012, 10:29:41 PM	#603
Scarfwynaut Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,077 PA	The pokedex also stats Magcargo is 18,000 degrees F, over 3 times the temperature at the surface of the sun.

Jun 30th, 2012, 10:30:08 AM	#620
EminenceFront Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 7	So does anyone think Gravity will be more than a gimmick with its new users? Tried to put together a team to use it myself and failed miserably.

Jun 30th, 2012, 10:41:22 AM	#621
~~superbadd~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 357	Yeah, it's just a gimmick at best. Would be nice to have an automatic gravity setter, just like weather.

Jun 30th, 2012, 11:49:49 AM	#623
EminenceFront Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 7	Hmm, I don't know about automatic, but maybe a held item to extend duration. And Landorus isn't one I'd thought of, sounds like a solid option. (Also still dreaming of Trick Room extension item)

Jun 30th, 2012, 2:41:06 PM	#625
jg1198 Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 48 Michigan	Is there any remaining talk of retesting the old bans? I still want garchomp back. Sand is so hampered in the new metagame, it needs at least one of its abusers back, and Excadrill is still to broken. Rain has Dragonite with aqua tail, STAB Hurricane, and thunder, Sun is an advantage to any dragon with a fire type move to help it ruin steels, Hail has Kyurem with STAB Blizzard wrecking everything that doesn't resist it, meanwhile sand has no real dragon abuser.