Pokémon Black 2 and White 2 - Mark 2 ** Spoilers ** - Page 56

dem1995 · Jul 4th, 2012, 4:40:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Tytus

Well, there's this whole list in the Dojo that specifically raises EVs:

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And then there's this stuff in the Cafe that says they raise base stats:

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One says they raise EVs and the other says base stats???

It seems (unfortunately) unlikely to me that the developers would introduce an IV-changing item to the game, for the reason that it would change the type and power of Hidden Power, and thus rather confuse some players.

MB Espeon · Jul 4th, 2012, 4:48:23 PM

It's already been stated that both of those raise EVs. Both in this topic and Serebii stated it over at GameFAQs. Serebii just goofed on the wording of the second one.

**AccidentalGreed** · Jul 4th, 2012, 5:31:33 PM

@RBG

I do believe you have to take Keldeo to a certain place in the game first. It is entirely possible for Keldeo with Secret Sword to exist in BW2 without being in its Resolution Forme, as proven by people who received the Wondercard.

There are several videos of Keldeo's transformation taking place on YouTube, although Serebii is being a bit skimpy on the details in the Alternative Forms page.

SuperCharizardMaster · Jul 4th, 2012, 8:01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat dem1995

It seems (unfortunately) unlikely to me that the developers would introduce an IV-changing item to the game, for the reason that it would change the type and power of Hidden Power, and thus rather confuse some players.

To me it sounds quite fascinating.

breh · Jul 5th, 2012, 12:08:52 AM

In the process of breeding a decent Axew, I noticed something very interesting.

Every single one of my 10 eggs that came from an everstoned parent was jolly.

This means that there's a 99.9% (better than RBY accuracy!) that Everstone always passes on nature.

I realize that my sample size is pretty small, but again, the chances of this occurring with a 50% chance is less than 0.1%.

Anybody want to affirm or deny?

Count Serperior · Jul 5th, 2012, 2:49:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat breh

In the process of breeding a decent Axew, I noticed something very interesting.

Every single one of my 10 eggs that came from an everstoned parent was jolly.

This means that there's a 99.9% (better than RBY accuracy!) that Everstone always passes on nature.

I realize that my sample size is pretty small, but again, the chances of this occurring with a 50% chance is less than 0.1%.

Anybody want to affirm or deny?

oh my God...
Somebody please check this!! If it's true it'll be one of my favorite changes!! Breeding takes too long but with this...
:D

***Jellicent**** · Jul 5th, 2012, 8:08:54 AM

10 is waaaay too small of a sample size to come to a conclusion like that. You can flip a coin 10 times in a row and get heads each time. It doesn't mean the odds of getting heads are suddenly 99.9% :/

I'd call it a fluke until someone is actually able to confirm a percentage. Maybe now would be a good time for you to hit the casino, though ^.^

KimTheHuman · Jul 5th, 2012, 9:36:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat breh

In the process of breeding a decent Axew, I noticed something very interesting.

Every single one of my 10 eggs that came from an everstoned parent was jolly.

This means that there's a 99.9% (better than RBY accuracy!) that Everstone always passes on nature.

I realize that my sample size is pretty small, but again, the chances of this occurring with a 50% chance is less than 0.1%.

Anybody want to affirm or deny?

HOLY CRAP~?!?!?!?!?! *SHITS BRICKS* Let this be true :D:D:D *but yea, small sample size could be(very) misleading ;-;*

Lucario_Guy · Jul 5th, 2012, 10:13:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat breh

In the process of breeding a decent Axew, I noticed something very interesting.

Every single one of my 10 eggs that came from an everstoned parent was jolly.

This means that there's a 99.9% (better than RBY accuracy!) that Everstone always passes on nature.

I realize that my sample size is pretty small, but again, the chances of this occurring with a 50% chance is less than 0.1%.

Anybody want to affirm or deny?

Yeeeaaah, I'm not buyin' it; I'll wait for the guys at the RNG thread rip apart the egg formula.

Gokuzbu · Jul 5th, 2012, 11:54:37 AM

Anyone got the shiny item yet? Legit or hacking (would that work?)

Gazooki · Jul 5th, 2012, 1:41:48 PM

So Serebii's updated the Dream World areas and from what I can see every Unova Pokemon's Dream World ability is available... except Litwick. That's our TrollFreak...

**R_N** · Jul 5th, 2012, 2:18:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Gazooki

So Serebii's updated the Dream World areas and from what I can see every Unova Pokemon's Dream World ability is available... except Litwick. That's our TrollFreak...

It's not completely updated
Lrrr just found an Axew & Krookodile, for example

Slashmolder · Jul 5th, 2012, 4:30:58 PM

The game's code is 100% identical between BW1 and BW2 when it comes to everstones.
Basically if the highest bit of the rng call is 1 it passes and if it's 0 it fails. There's an equal chance of the bit being 1 or 0 so 50:50 chance.

EDIT:
Never mind it looks like GF made a huge mistake and the first egg you receive will ALWAYS have the exact same nature/everstone/inheritance value.

mattj · Jul 5th, 2012, 5:02:46 PM

I don't really think that litwick being the only currently unavailable Unova DW mon is intentional. TPCi probably couldn't care less about smogon OU and Shadow Tag mean's practically nothing in VGC, especially with team preview.

Bond697 · Jul 5th, 2012, 10:54:30 PM

so it turns out that gamefreak did screw up, but not how you would think...

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=929

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=930

Lucario_Guy · Jul 5th, 2012, 11:07:40 PM

So, Bond679, what does that all entail for the average RNG abuser? I get that GameFreak messed up the order in which the game does some of its maths, but how does it affect RNGing (in layman's terms, please)? o.o

**R_N** · Jul 6th, 2012, 12:05:22 AM

Oh hey: http://pokejungle.net/ ; http://www.e-hon.ne.jp/bec/SP/SA/Det...source=message

Shadow Tag Gothorita to be given via password with the guidebook coming out on the 9th

Pika25 · Jul 6th, 2012, 1:08:40 AM

Ooh, let's hope that Shadow Tag Gothorita is female (or at least can be manipulated as such). Still no sign of Litwick line.

Wait... That leaves Unova starters and monkeys. Poor little Snivy...

**Mario With Lasers** · Jul 6th, 2012, 1:25:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Lucario_Guy

So, Bond679, what does that all entail for the average RNG abuser? I get that GameFreak messed up the order in which the game does some of its maths, but how does it affect RNGing (in layman's terms, please)? o.o

I think this means every Egg you produce will have, in example, ability 1 - female gender - Jolly/Everstone Nature - 31/A/28/5/B/A.

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Originally Posted by Fat R_N

Oh hey: http://pokejungle.net/ ; http://www.e-hon.ne.jp/bec/SP/SA/Det...source=message

Shadow Tag Gothorita to be given via password with the guidebook coming out on the 9th

YES

Pika25 · Jul 6th, 2012, 1:33:40 AM

That means we have to resort to BW1 for our breeding. Lucky no egg moves are exclusive to BW2.

MB Espeon · Jul 6th, 2012, 1:37:18 AM

Wow, that's... pretty screwed up. You think they will update it like they did with the door surfing thing in DP? Hopefully they do.

Bond697 · Jul 6th, 2012, 2:04:22 AM

i updated the second post:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=930

just stick to bw1. it's a massive pain the ass otherwise.

IncantareFox · Jul 6th, 2012, 2:12:30 AM

So I ain't no fancy big city RNGer, but from what I understand this looks to basically be an attempt to throw off people trying to manipulate the RNG and won't really screw over anyone who didn't try to manipulate it?

MB Espeon · Jul 6th, 2012, 2:14:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat IncantareFox

So I ain't no fancy big city RNGer, but from what I understand this looks to basically be an attempt to throw off people trying to manipulate the RNG and won't really screw over anyone who didn't try to manipulate it?

That's the vibe I'm getting as well. Still sounds pretty silly, but sucks for those who have the knack for egg RNG abuse.

**Mario With Lasers** · Jul 6th, 2012, 2:20:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Bond697

i updated the second post:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=930

just stick to bw1. it's a massive pain the ass otherwise.

I don't RNG/breed/whatever since last year, but just to be sure, what's exactly affected by this shitty error? I get the IV spreads for Eggs and nature are screwed, but what else that isn't affected by PIDs? Or is the PID unnaffected while gender/ability/etc are affected?

Jul 4th, 2012, 4:48:23 PM	#1377
MB Espeon Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 354 Make way for magic bounce espeon!	It's already been stated that both of those raise EVs. Both in this topic and Serebii stated it over at GameFAQs. Serebii just goofed on the wording of the second one. __________________ Dream ability hoarder extraordinare! Breeding up dream world ability breeders on request since... whenever. Can't guarantee good IVs though. Pokémon Black 2 Code - 5072 1749 8695

Jul 4th, 2012, 5:31:33 PM	#1378
AccidentalGreed I'll bite off your kneecaps if I ever see a super long post or wall of text. Seriously. Moderator Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,024 California	@RBG I do believe you have to take Keldeo to a certain place in the game first. It is entirely possible for Keldeo with Secret Sword to exist in BW2 without being in its Resolution Forme, as proven by people who received the Wondercard. There are several videos of Keldeo's transformation taking place on YouTube, although Serebii is being a bit skimpy on the details in the Alternative Forms page. __________________

Jul 5th, 2012, 12:08:52 AM	#1380
breh Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,937	In the process of breeding a decent Axew, I noticed something very interesting. Every single one of my 10 eggs that came from an everstoned parent was jolly. This means that there's a 99.9% (better than RBY accuracy!) that Everstone always passes on nature. I realize that my sample size is pretty small, but again, the chances of this occurring with a 50% chance is less than 0.1%. Anybody want to affirm or deny? __________________ VGC Regionals: VGC11 Top 16, VGC12 12th Place Last edited by breh; Jul 5th, 2012 at 12:48:32 AM.

Jul 5th, 2012, 8:08:54 AM	#1382
*Jellicent is 60% water Super Moderator** Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,649 (80 PROOF) Mentor	10 is waaaay too small of a sample size to come to a conclusion like that. You can flip a coin 10 times in a row and get heads each time. It doesn't mean the odds of getting heads are suddenly 99.9% :/ I'd call it a fluke until someone is actually able to confirm a percentage. Maybe now would be a good time for you to hit the casino, though ^.^ __________________ ^.^

Jul 5th, 2012, 1:41:48 PM	#1386
Gazooki Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 148	So Serebii's updated the Dream World areas and from what I can see every Unova Pokemon's Dream World ability is available... except Litwick. That's our TrollFreak... __________________ Currently rethinking my decision to quit. Not attending VGC12 though. :\|

Jul 5th, 2012, 11:54:37 AM	#1385
Gokuzbu Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 120	Anyone got the shiny item yet? Legit or hacking (would that work?)

Jul 5th, 2012, 4:30:58 PM	#1388
Slashmolder 'Ello Governor Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 271	The game's code is 100% identical between BW1 and BW2 when it comes to everstones. Basically if the highest bit of the rng call is 1 it passes and if it's 0 it fails. There's an equal chance of the bit being 1 or 0 so 50:50 chance. EDIT: Never mind it looks like GF made a huge mistake and the first egg you receive will ALWAYS have the exact same nature/everstone/inheritance value. __________________ My Pokécheck Pokémon <~Nexus> Mat's seen things that would make you wake up screaming in the middle of the night NO MORE RNG NO MORE RNG <CDXCIV> kittens is not a Pokemon. Last edited by Slashmolder; Jul 5th, 2012 at 10:46:07 PM.

Jul 5th, 2012, 10:54:30 PM	#1390
Bond697 Dies, died, will die. Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 302	so it turns out that gamefreak did screw up, but not how you would think... http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=929 http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=930 __________________ [12:27] <xfr> it's game freak doing it wrong as always [14:48] <~Nexus> Pokemon has no magic after OmegaDonut ruined it with his RNG [19:52] <~Shii> I NEED MAT'S TOUCH

Jul 5th, 2012, 11:07:40 PM	#1391
Lucario_Guy Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 208 Poison Life, Poison Live!	So, Bond679, what does that all entail for the average RNG abuser? I get that GameFreak messed up the order in which the game does some of its maths, but how does it affect RNGing (in layman's terms, please)? o.o __________________ I wish The Koffings had actual albums released, with music like this. Then my life would be complete. <3

Jul 6th, 2012, 12:05:22 AM	#1392
R_N Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,301	Oh hey: http://pokejungle.net/ ; http://www.e-hon.ne.jp/bec/SP/SA/Det...source=message Shadow Tag Gothorita to be given via password with the guidebook coming out on the 9th

Jul 6th, 2012, 1:08:40 AM	#1393
Pika25 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 978 Texas (loetke's home)	Ooh, let's hope that Shadow Tag Gothorita is female (or at least can be manipulated as such). Still no sign of Litwick line. Wait... That leaves Unova starters and monkeys. Poor little Snivy... __________________ Pikachu pwns Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza! Pikachu used Grass Knot! Groudon fainted! Pikachu used Thunder! Kyogre fainted! Pikachu used (ice) Hidden Power! Rayquaza fainted! Pikachu is the winner! (Smogon's Damage Calculator to Verify!) YouTube, My Pokécheck Box, My Scramble Compendium Last edited by Pika25; Jul 6th, 2012 at 1:20:55 AM.

Jul 6th, 2012, 1:33:40 AM	#1395
Pika25 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 978 Texas (loetke's home)	That means we have to resort to BW1 for our breeding. Lucky no egg moves are exclusive to BW2. __________________ Pikachu pwns Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza! Pikachu used Grass Knot! Groudon fainted! Pikachu used Thunder! Kyogre fainted! Pikachu used (ice) Hidden Power! Rayquaza fainted! Pikachu is the winner! (Smogon's Damage Calculator to Verify!) YouTube, My Pokécheck Box, My Scramble Compendium

Jul 6th, 2012, 1:37:18 AM	#1396
MB Espeon Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 354 Make way for magic bounce espeon!	Wow, that's... pretty screwed up. You think they will update it like they did with the door surfing thing in DP? Hopefully they do. __________________ Dream ability hoarder extraordinare! Breeding up dream world ability breeders on request since... whenever. Can't guarantee good IVs though. Pokémon Black 2 Code - 5072 1749 8695

Jul 6th, 2012, 2:04:22 AM	#1397
Bond697 Dies, died, will die. Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 302	i updated the second post: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpos...&postcount=930 just stick to bw1. it's a massive pain the ass otherwise. __________________ [12:27] <xfr> it's game freak doing it wrong as always [14:48] <~Nexus> Pokemon has no magic after OmegaDonut ruined it with his RNG [19:52] <~Shii> I NEED MAT'S TOUCH

Jul 6th, 2012, 2:12:30 AM	#1398
IncantareFox Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 70	So I ain't no fancy big city RNGer, but from what I understand this looks to basically be an attempt to throw off people trying to manipulate the RNG and won't really screw over anyone who didn't try to manipulate it?