B&W Research Thread - Page 116

MB Espeon · Jun 22nd, 2012, 4:53:10 AM

Ugh, skill swap chains.

Anyhow, just tested it with normalize skitty relayed to skill swap reuniclus relayed to a volcarona with will-o-wisp, against a wild drifblim in double grass. It burned drifblim, yes. And to be sure I did it right, I used bug buzz from the same volcarona on drifblim the turn after, where it gave the "It didn't affect Drifblim" message.

So yeah, will-o-wisp is akin to, say, hypnosis on dark types, where the typing of the move in itself makes no difference on what it can and cannot affect.

***RBG**** · Jul 4th, 2012, 4:19:29 PM

If Keldeo learns Secret Sword in BW, and then is transferred to B2W2, will it change to resolution form or not?

shrang · Jul 6th, 2012, 9:13:10 PM

Okay, there's something I want to ask about Ditto. When an Imposter Ditto transforms into a Pokemon with different formes that alter with items (ie Arceus and Giratina), does it transform into that forme as well, even when it doesn't carry the item it's supposed to carry? For example, if I switch Choice Scarf Imposter Ditto into an opponent's Rock Arceus, does Ditto transform into Rock Arceus even without Stone Plate, or does it transform into Normal Arceus? If I switch it into Giratina-O, does it transform into Giratina-O or Giratina-A, knowing that I do not carry Griseus Orb?

Slashmolder · Jul 7th, 2012, 2:04:14 AM

It works just like Transform. Read the Bulbapedia page on Transform to answer your questions.

**The Immortal** · Jul 7th, 2012, 12:51:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ΩDonut

Confirmed Substitute synopsis:(Jaxx, Ayeeelin)

Moves that are completely blocked by Substitute

Moves that are unaffected by Substitute

I have tested in-game and found two moves that are incorrect.

1) Embargo is blocked by Subsitute
2) Heal Block is blocked by Substitute

Zog · Jul 8th, 2012, 8:57:23 AM

Just encountered something seriously odd on Random Wifi, was wondering if anyone could think how this happened:

Battle video is 61-27878-07548, turn 8 I think

Choice scarf Chandelure Vs. rocky helmet Ferrothorn, Ferrothorn uses Shadow Claw, nothing happens, and it gives the "But it failed!" message. Shadow Claw works fine afterwards though.

The only thing I can come up with is, maybe Shadow Claw's bugged in some way like RBY's 1/252 misses or 1/65536 masterball failure. Either way it's weird, lol. But since it's not a common move and I've never seen this with any other moves, it's probably a specific bug.

**Marty D** · Jul 8th, 2012, 11:03:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat shrang

When an Imposter Ditto transforms into a Pokemon with different formes that alter with items (ie Arceus and Giratina), does it transform into that forme as well, even when it doesn't carry the item it's supposed to carry?

This should answer your question: Transform and Imposter mechanics

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zog

Just encountered something seriously odd on Random Wifi, was wondering if anyone could think how this happened:

Battle video is 61-27878-07548, turn 8 I think

Choice scarf Chandelure Vs. rocky helmet Ferrothorn, Ferrothorn uses Shadow Claw, nothing happens, and it gives the "But it failed!" message. Shadow Claw works fine afterwards though.

The only thing I can come up with is, maybe Shadow Claw's bugged in some way like RBY's 1/252 misses or 1/65536 masterball failure. Either way it's weird, lol. But since it's not a common move and I've never seen this with any other moves, it's probably a specific bug.

The only explanation for Shadow Claw failing in that situation is that the player with Ferrothorn accidentally targeted its ally's position with Shadow Claw the first time. Since there was no target at the time, it fails.

Zog · Jul 8th, 2012, 3:10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Marty D

The only explanation for Shadow Claw failing in that situation is that the player with Ferrothorn accidentally targeted its ally's position with Shadow Claw the first time. Since there was no target at the time, it fails.

Yeah, I thought of that, but at the time it uses shadow claw there isn't actually another target. I'm pretty sure that trying to hit a non-existant partner doesn't work, too.

**Marty D** · Jul 9th, 2012, 1:23:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zog

Yeah, I thought of that, but at the time it uses shadow claw there isn't actually another target. I'm pretty sure that trying to hit a non-existant partner doesn't work, too.

You are always allowed to select your partner's position, and any adjacent position really, with single-target attacks, even if there is no Pokemon at that position.

Go in a wild double battle with two Pokemon on hand and get one of your own Pokemon knocked out, then try to attack the empty space and see what happens.

Death Phenomeno · Jul 9th, 2012, 5:20:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ΩDonut

Confirmed Iron Ball's holder receives neutral damage from Ground moves if it is part Flying type regardless of the pokemon's other type (Death Phenomeno, Team Rocket Elite)

Can anyone confirm if this still happens in the sequels?

Thanks in advance.

**Marty D** · Jul 10th, 2012, 10:16:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Death Phenomeno

Can anyone confirm if this still happens in the sequels?

It does indeed still happen; both a Skarmory and a Jumpluff holding Iron Ball took neutral damage from Mud Shot when used on them.

On a somewhat related note, I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread but the Sky Drop glitch still exists in B2W2, as well as Sheer Force boosted moves negating Life Orb recoil, among other things. I'd wager that Game Freak didn't fix/change any battle mechanics just to preserve Wi-Fi compatibility between the prequels and sequels. I wouldn't mind if I'm wrong about this though.

Hozu · Jul 11th, 2012, 7:40:39 PM

Did some testing regarding what is needed to rename Pokémon by the name rater in White. Here are my findings:

Only SID is different - no go
Only game version is different - no go (this means all previous gen Pokémon cannot be renamed)
Only OT gender is different - no go
Wondercard Pokémon with the same OT and game version - yes
Wondercard Pokémon with the same OT and different game version - no go

Edit: For Wondercard Pokémon that can be obtained on any 5th gen game the Pokémon uses the game version of the save it was obtained on. Meaning one can RNG for a TID/SID combo for an upcoming event that they plan on getting on their game card.

Hozu · Jul 12th, 2012, 2:02:15 PM

Quote:

Confirmed Analytic boosts the power of moves by 30% if the user moves last (Sixonesix, mattj)

This has it slightly differently

Quote:

If user has ability Analytic, move isn't Future Sight or Doom Desire and target has already moved this turn.

Subtle but important difference.

UltiMario · Jul 12th, 2012, 7:06:07 PM

So was it ever double checked if LO and Sheer Force work the same in BW2?

**The Immortal** · Jul 13th, 2012, 3:28:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat UltiMario

So was it ever double checked if LO and Sheer Force work the same in BW2?

It does work the same, I have checked myself in addition to Marty-D.

***Jellicent**** · Jul 18th, 2012, 10:34:17 PM

I have a few questions about Flash Fire, but I'm not sure if they've already been answered (I couldn't find anything on them, but I might've just missed it >.>)

I know Flash Fire boosts the power of Fire-type moves by 50%. Will being hit by multiple Fire-type attacks boost it further? More importantly, if yes, does it boost by 50% each time, or does it work similar to a stat boost, doing 1.5 for one, 2 for two, etc.? Is there a max (such as 6 for regular stats)?

Also, can Flash Fire boosts be Baton Passed?

If Imposter Ditto switches into something with a Flash Fire boost, does it obtain that boost the way it would obtain a normal stat boost?

If a Flash Fire Pokemon receives a Flash Fire boost, but then loses Flash Fire as its ability, does it lose the Flash Fire boost along with it?

I read that HP Electric doesn't boost Motordrive (iirc) because it's technically a Normal-type attack. Does HP Fire activate Flash Fire, and does a Flash Fire boost increase the power of HP Fire?

Biosci · Jul 18th, 2012, 10:36:54 PM

Flash Fire boosts don't stack

No they can't

I'm unsure

If the ability goes, then the boost goes.

HP Fire does activiate Flash Fire(But I'm being told that HP Electric does activate Motordrive!).

MB Espeon · Jul 19th, 2012, 6:50:59 AM

Front page covers and links to an instance where a type-based ability activates off of hidden power (in fact, it was the motor drive example.)

Seconding that yes, hidden power fire activates flash fire. Tested it on my Black version and everything. I also did the same with Sap Sipper (since I found a grass hidden power user) and that activated on hidden power grass as well.

Honestly, this post is more of an extra confirmation thing.

poccil · Jul 19th, 2012, 11:55:11 AM

My description for Flash Fire:

"Whenever a Fire-type attack by another Pokémon targets bearer (even non-damaging ones, even if bearer is frozen, and even if the attack is otherwise ineffective against it), that attack is ineffective against bearer, and Attack and Special Attack for Fire-type attacks by bearer is multiplied by 1.5 (effect is not cumulative) until bearer isn't active or bearer doesn't have this Ability."

Accordingly:

1. The effect of Flash Fire is not cumulative: "Attack and Special Attack for Fire-type attacks by bearer is multiplied by 1.5 (effect is not cumulative)..."
2. The effect is not a stat stage change, confusion, or the effect of a move, so it can't be passed with Baton Pass.
3. Imposter's effect changes the Pokemon's Ability, so it has the same effect of Flash Fire: "When bearer becomes active, its ... Ability ... [becomes that] of the Pokémon it's facing ..."
4. Yes: "Attack and Special Attack for Fire-type attacks by bearer is multiplied by 1.5 ... until ... bearer doesn't have this Ability."

Motor Drive affects types of attacks, rather than types of moves, so effects that change an attack's type to Electric, such as Hidden Power, are affected by Motor Drive: "Whenever an Electric-type attack ... by another Pokémon targets bearer [etc.]". (The type of the move Hidden Power is Normal, but the attack's type
can vary.)

**ΩDonut** · Jul 23rd, 2012, 12:32:06 PM

Because this wasn't listed in Justified's description, or on any highly-cited Pokémon resource (i.e. Veekun, Smogon, or Bulbapedia), I had to test to see if Justified activated if the Dark-type move hit a Substitute. (It doesn't.)

Also tested to see if Oblivious had received a secret boost like Mental Herb had, blocking Taunt\Disable\etc. Doesn't do that either.

**ΩDonut** · Aug 1st, 2012, 5:09:28 PM

This just in: Storm Drain and Lightningrod do, in fact, redirect Hidden Power in 5th Gen, contrary to Smogon's description.
<Marty> for those interested, here's Hidden Power Electric and Water being drawn by Lightningrod and Storm Drain, respectively: 92-08552-99074

User: V4 pointed out that Serene Grace doesn't seem to boost Secret Power's chance of effect. xfr just confirmed this.

<xfr> seems that secret power isn't boosted by serene grace after all
<xfr> it has its own trigger at 21E11FC
<xfr> which uses a hard coded rand(30)
<xfr> that's a feature not a bug

Dragonfree · Aug 4th, 2012, 1:03:13 PM

Smogon's description of Mist in B/W incorrectly states that it "Does not prevent stats from being lowered by the side-effects of attacking moves, such as Seed Flare." I just tested this on my Black, twice to be sure; both times, Icy Wind hit and dealt damage but did not lower Speed when Mist was in effect.

If anyone cares, I was using a Cryogonal and battling a wild Vanillite; it should not affect the results, since their abilities don't have anything to do with stat stages or effect chances.

Cereza · Aug 4th, 2012, 1:42:52 PM

I tested both scenarios and it looks like Dragonfree is right; Mist does prevent stats from being lowered by side-effects.
same is true for Electroweb

MB Espeon · Aug 10th, 2012, 6:56:13 PM

I know this is really minor but for the sake of thoroughness...

Air Balloon isn't popped when hit by the "bursting flame" side-damage from Flame Burst.

Found this out (on accident) on my Black card in the doubles subway, with Tyranitar as the balloon holder and Excadrill as the main target of flame burst. The balloon was still shown in the pokémon menu, and to be extra thorough Excadrill used an earthquake afterwards that "didn't affect" Tyranitar.

UltiMario · Aug 28th, 2012, 3:56:24 AM

I saw this scenario on PS happen earlier today, and it feels... wrong. Would someone test this in-game?

Porygon 2 switched in on Heatran. Got Flash Fire. Rotom-W switches into Porygon. It goes for the WoW, but Porygon used Magic Coat.

In PS, Porygon 2 simply absorbed the WoW with Flash Fire rather than reflecting it back at Rotom-W, can anyone confirm if this is how it works in-game as well?

Jun 22nd, 2012, 4:53:10 AM	#2876
MB Espeon Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 355 Make way for magic bounce espeon!	Ugh, skill swap chains. Anyhow, just tested it with normalize skitty relayed to skill swap reuniclus relayed to a volcarona with will-o-wisp, against a wild drifblim in double grass. It burned drifblim, yes. And to be sure I did it right, I used bug buzz from the same volcarona on drifblim the turn after, where it gave the "It didn't affect Drifblim" message. So yeah, will-o-wisp is akin to, say, hypnosis on dark types, where the typing of the move in itself makes no difference on what it can and cannot affect. __________________ Dream ability hoarder extraordinare! Breeding up dream world ability breeders on request since... whenever. Can't guarantee good IVs though. Pokémon Black 2 Code - 5072 1749 8695

Jul 4th, 2012, 4:19:29 PM	#2877
*RBG It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything. Super Moderator** Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 3,230 Home: Goshen Scout Reservation	If Keldeo learns Secret Sword in BW, and then is transferred to B2W2, will it change to resolution form or not? __________________ Alder: N, even if we don't understand each other, that's not a reason to reject each other. There are two sides to an argument. Is there one point of view that has all the answers? Give it some thought.

Jul 7th, 2012, 2:04:14 AM	#2879
Slashmolder 'Ello Governor Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 271	It works just like Transform. Read the Bulbapedia page on Transform to answer your questions. __________________ My Pokécheck Pokémon <~Nexus> Mat's seen things that would make you wake up screaming in the middle of the night NO MORE RNG NO MORE RNG <CDXCIV> kittens is not a Pokemon.

Jul 8th, 2012, 8:57:23 AM	#2881
Zog Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 931 i'm the kinda trainer that's built to last if you battle me i'll put ma foot in ya ass	Just encountered something seriously odd on Random Wifi, was wondering if anyone could think how this happened: Battle video is 61-27878-07548, turn 8 I think Choice scarf Chandelure Vs. rocky helmet Ferrothorn, Ferrothorn uses Shadow Claw, nothing happens, and it gives the "But it failed!" message. Shadow Claw works fine afterwards though. The only thing I can come up with is, maybe Shadow Claw's bugged in some way like RBY's 1/252 misses or 1/65536 masterball failure. Either way it's weird, lol. But since it's not a common move and I've never seen this with any other moves, it's probably a specific bug. __________________ World's best Brit, magical girl* and SERIAL REPROBATE.* Want to become a genius like me? Buy me a drink and we'll talk, pal. ゆっくりしていってね *YUKKURI SHITEITTE NE!!! yaranaika!!!*

Jul 11th, 2012, 7:40:39 PM	#2887
Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,181 Orre	Did some testing regarding what is needed to rename Pokémon by the name rater in White. Here are my findings: Only SID is different - no go Only game version is different - no go (this means all previous gen Pokémon cannot be renamed) Only OT gender is different - no go Wondercard Pokémon with the same OT and game version - yes Wondercard Pokémon with the same OT and different game version - no go Edit: For Wondercard Pokémon that can be obtained on any 5th gen game the Pokémon uses the game version of the save it was obtained on. Meaning one can RNG for a TID/SID combo for an upcoming event that they plan on getting on their game card. __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck. Last edited by Hozu; Jul 11th, 2012 at 8:00:40 PM.

Jul 18th, 2012, 10:34:17 PM	#2891
*Jellicent is 60% water Super Moderator** Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,658 (80 PROOF) Mentor	I have a few questions about Flash Fire, but I'm not sure if they've already been answered (I couldn't find anything on them, but I might've just missed it >.>) I know Flash Fire boosts the power of Fire-type moves by 50%. Will being hit by multiple Fire-type attacks boost it further? More importantly, if yes, does it boost by 50% each time, or does it work similar to a stat boost, doing 1.5 for one, 2 for two, etc.? Is there a max (such as 6 for regular stats)? Also, can Flash Fire boosts be Baton Passed? If Imposter Ditto switches into something with a Flash Fire boost, does it obtain that boost the way it would obtain a normal stat boost? If a Flash Fire Pokemon receives a Flash Fire boost, but then loses Flash Fire as its ability, does it lose the Flash Fire boost along with it? I read that HP Electric doesn't boost Motordrive (iirc) because it's technically a Normal-type attack. Does HP Fire activate Flash Fire, and does a Flash Fire boost increase the power of HP Fire? __________________ ^.^

Jul 18th, 2012, 10:36:54 PM	#2892
Biosci The Flyin' Wifin' Hawaiian Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,333 Hilo	Flash Fire boosts don't stack No they can't I'm unsure If the ability goes, then the boost goes. HP Fire does activiate Flash Fire(But I'm being told that HP Electric does activate Motordrive!). __________________ 1st Place Winter VGCS and 2nd Place Long Beach Winter Regionals!

Jul 19th, 2012, 6:50:59 AM	#2893
MB Espeon Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 355 Make way for magic bounce espeon!	Front page covers and links to an instance where a type-based ability activates off of hidden power (in fact, it was the motor drive example.) Seconding that yes, hidden power fire activates flash fire. Tested it on my Black version and everything. I also did the same with Sap Sipper (since I found a grass hidden power user) and that activated on hidden power grass as well. Honestly, this post is more of an extra confirmation thing. __________________ Dream ability hoarder extraordinare! Breeding up dream world ability breeders on request since... whenever. Can't guarantee good IVs though. Pokémon Black 2 Code - 5072 1749 8695

Jul 19th, 2012, 11:55:11 AM	#2894
poccil Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 398	My description for Flash Fire: "Whenever a Fire-type attack by another Pokémon targets bearer (even non-damaging ones, even if bearer is frozen, and even if the attack is otherwise ineffective against it), that attack is ineffective against bearer, and Attack and Special Attack for Fire-type attacks by bearer is multiplied by 1.5 (effect is not cumulative) until bearer isn't active or bearer doesn't have this Ability." Accordingly: 1. The effect of Flash Fire is not cumulative: "Attack and Special Attack for Fire-type attacks by bearer is multiplied by 1.5 (effect is not cumulative)..." 2. The effect is not a stat stage change, confusion, or the effect of a move, so it can't be passed with Baton Pass. 3. Imposter's effect changes the Pokemon's Ability, so it has the same effect of Flash Fire: "When bearer becomes active, its ... Ability ... [becomes that] of the Pokémon it's facing ..." 4. Yes: "Attack and Special Attack for Fire-type attacks by bearer is multiplied by 1.5 ... until ... bearer doesn't have this Ability." Motor Drive affects types of attacks, rather than types of moves, so effects that change an attack's type to Electric, such as Hidden Power, are affected by Motor Drive: "Whenever an Electric-type attack ... by another Pokémon targets bearer [etc.]". (The type of the move Hidden Power is Normal, but the attack's type can vary.) __________________ Peter O. of The Ultimate Pokemon Center (Make a donation)

Jul 23rd, 2012, 12:32:06 PM	#2895
ΩDonut sometimes experimentation begins with "let's multi battle strip pokémon" Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,692	Because this wasn't listed in Justified's description, or on any highly-cited Pokémon resource (i.e. Veekun, Smogon, or Bulbapedia), I had to test to see if Justified activated if the Dark-type move hit a Substitute. (It doesn't.) Also tested to see if Oblivious had received a secret boost like Mental Herb had, blocking Taunt\Disable\etc. Doesn't do that either.

Aug 1st, 2012, 5:09:28 PM	#2896
ΩDonut sometimes experimentation begins with "let's multi battle strip pokémon" Moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 3,692	This just in: Storm Drain and Lightningrod do, in fact, redirect Hidden Power in 5th Gen, contrary to Smogon's description. <Marty> for those interested, here's Hidden Power Electric and Water being drawn by Lightningrod and Storm Drain, respectively: 92-08552-99074 User: V4 pointed out that Serene Grace doesn't seem to boost Secret Power's chance of effect. xfr just confirmed this. <xfr> seems that secret power isn't boosted by serene grace after all <xfr> it has its own trigger at 21E11FC <xfr> which uses a hard coded rand(30) <xfr> that's a feature not a bug Last edited by ΩDonut; Aug 1st, 2012 at 5:28:03 PM.

Aug 4th, 2012, 1:03:13 PM	#2897
Dragonfree Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 30 Iceland	Smogon's description of Mist in B/W incorrectly states that it "Does not prevent stats from being lowered by the side-effects of attacking moves, such as Seed Flare." I just tested this on my Black, twice to be sure; both times, Icy Wind hit and dealt damage but did not lower Speed when Mist was in effect. If anyone cares, I was using a Cryogonal and battling a wild Vanillite; it should not affect the results, since their abilities don't have anything to do with stat stages or effect chances.

Aug 4th, 2012, 1:42:52 PM	#2898
Cereza Tastes Like Candy Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,145 Long Island	I tested both scenarios and it looks like Dragonfree is right; Mist does prevent stats from being lowered by side-effects. same is true for Electroweb Last edited by Cereza; Aug 4th, 2012 at 2:12:52 PM.

Aug 10th, 2012, 6:56:13 PM	#2899
MB Espeon Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 355 Make way for magic bounce espeon!	I know this is really minor but for the sake of thoroughness... Air Balloon isn't popped when hit by the "bursting flame" side-damage from Flame Burst. Found this out (on accident) on my Black card in the doubles subway, with Tyranitar as the balloon holder and Excadrill as the main target of flame burst. The balloon was still shown in the pokémon menu, and to be extra thorough Excadrill used an earthquake afterwards that "didn't affect" Tyranitar. __________________ Dream ability hoarder extraordinare! Breeding up dream world ability breeders on request since... whenever. Can't guarantee good IVs though. Pokémon Black 2 Code - 5072 1749 8695