LC CCAT--I have to Axew a question (FINISHED) - Page 10

Superpowerdude · Jul 5th, 2012, 3:16:50 AM

Shroomish is not Ko ed by adamant drilburs +2 X scissor and can procede to spore it I think Shroomish would fit quite well

iss · Jul 5th, 2012, 10:40:47 AM

Life Orb Drilbur will OHKO nearly all of the time with a +2 X-Scissor and Eviolite versions will OHKO most of the time with a +2 X-Scissor after Stealth Rock. This is max/max+ Shroomish with Eviolite.

Ray Jay · Jul 5th, 2012, 12:17:31 PM

Furthermore it struggles to switch into Earthquake on Life Orb Variants at all, as then X-Scissor can KO most of the time. This is more relevant as Swords Dance sets very rarely run X-Scissor.

Also, I think we need to clarify whether we beat SubRoost Krow or not. I think the problem right now is no one can agree whether or not our Lileep set actually beats SubRoost, personally I think it does, but I'd like some other opinions...

prem · Jul 5th, 2012, 12:47:58 PM

if we run a bold nature and giga drain i say it wins! otherwise you end up killing its sub but not killing the murkrow. which is good enough as far as im concerned but still

iss · Jul 5th, 2012, 6:22:09 PM

LO SubRoost 2HKOes, and Eviolite SubRoost should win when played correctly (especially with hail support). Then again SubRoost is a really hard set to deal with in general; even Bronzor can't win in the right circumstances.

Trakyan · Jul 6th, 2012, 2:46:10 AM

im just wondering if the current lileep breaks eviolite subkrow's subs with giga drain/energy ball, i think we should make it so it does otherwise subkrow trolls lileep, if it breaks subkrows subs then subkrow cant substall+BB/DP lileep to death. If it breaks murkrows subs it should beat it pretty easily, energy ball the sub, it attacks, energy ball the sub as after it makes another and break it. kKeep doing this untill it doesnt have enough for sub or roosts in which case it dies or ends up taking 50% or more from energy ball and gets stuck in a roost cycle. Such EVs may be stupid but i dont know, if it doesnt take much i say we do it.

**blarajan** · Jul 10th, 2012, 7:26:02 PM

So let's vote on it? Tirtouga > Ponyta? Or leave the team as is? Due to waning interest and the new metagame, I think this will be the last vote before we write up an RMT. We'll do a BW2 CCAT soon. Bold your vote.

Ray Jay · Jul 10th, 2012, 7:42:04 PM

Tirtouga

Trakyan · Jul 11th, 2012, 9:23:47 PM

Ponyta

prem · Jul 11th, 2012, 9:28:17 PM

tirtouga

**Elevator Music** · Jul 11th, 2012, 9:34:00 PM

Tirtouga

Deinosaur · Jul 12th, 2012, 1:26:45 AM

Tirtouga

**Furai** · Jul 12th, 2012, 4:29:27 AM

Tirtouga it's cute

spuds4ever · Jul 12th, 2012, 6:22:01 AM

Ponyta

Subroost krow is annoying, but its not unstoppable for this team unlike snover will be I fear if we go for tirtouga.

**blarajan** · Jul 12th, 2012, 12:25:48 PM

Tirtouga

I don't think we have Snover issues, to be frank. We have two Pokemon with STAB super effective priority, Stealth Rock, and individual resistances to Ice and Grass. Misdreavus can also live a hit. It'll be a bit trickier, yes, but it definitely won't be "unstoppable." It can't switch in on Croagunk or Timburr, for fear of Vacuum Wave or Mach Punch, Tirtouga has Rock Slide, Misdreavus has HP Fighting, Axew can Protect to scout what it locks itself into, and hell even Lileep has HP Rock. I don't see Snover issues at all.

Trakyan · Jul 14th, 2012, 6:29:41 PM

Im for ponyta because of its ability to safely switch into any of snovers common attacks, to be quite frank i dont think timbur will like eating a blizzard on the switch(i also doubt mach punch OHKOs), probably neither with croagunk, tirtouga will no doubt die to a giga drain. If its not scarfed it could cause even bigger problems with its ability to freely switch attacks and would do a number on the team with some careful play around missdrevous.

iss · Jul 14th, 2012, 7:36:13 PM

Timburr:

Drain Punch: 26-32 (118.18 - 145.45%)
Mach Punch: 14-18 (63.63 - 81.81%)
Blizzard: 9-12 (36 - 48%)

Croagunk:

Fake Out: 4-5 (18.18 - 22.72%)
Vacuum Wave: 14-18 (63.63 - 81.81%)
Drain Punch: 20-26 (90.9 - 118.18%)
Blizzard: 12-15 (50 - 62.5%)

With the healing that Drain Punch provides, Snover isn't going to kill Croagunk or Timburr that quickly. Simply keeping Stealth Rock up will mean that Snover will not be able to deal much damage to this team. Ponyta, frankly, is overkill.

Please run your calcs before saying things like that. :/

Trakyan · Jul 15th, 2012, 5:31:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat iss

With the healing that Drain Punch provides

I was meaning on a switch in, they wont get to drain punch before getting hit by two blizzards, undoubtedly they beat snover 1-1.

iss · Jul 15th, 2012, 8:26:19 AM

Regardless, you're hitting something with Drain Punch, which will allow you to recover off the damage from Blizzard. If they have a Ghost-type, just Payback instead.

Chieliee · Jul 15th, 2012, 3:57:33 PM

tirtouga

Trakyan · Jul 16th, 2012, 11:46:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat iss

Regardless, you're hitting something with Drain Punch, which will allow you to recover off the damage from Blizzard. If they have a Ghost-type, just Payback instead.

we seem to be interpreting different scenarios so never mind

comatthew6 · Jul 17th, 2012, 5:34:17 PM

tirtouga

**blarajan** · Jul 21st, 2012, 1:39:13 AM

Tirtouga > Ponyta! It has been done.

Now what set? I personally dislike the one that Sir posted just because Aqua Jet hits like a little bitch, so what do the masses have to say about that? For reference:

name: Support
move 1: Scald
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Knock Off
move 4: Aqua Jet / Protect
item: Eviolite
ability: Solid Rock
nature: Relaxed
evs: 244 HP / 16 Def / 12 SpA / 236 SpD

What do you guys say about the set and spread?

**blarajan** · Jul 26th, 2012, 11:14:35 PM

Okay fuck it. We'll use that set. And on that note: here is the final completed team!

Axew (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Mold Breaker
EVs: 68 HP / 220 Atk / 44 Def / 36 SDef / 140 Spd
Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk)
- Dragon Dance
- Dual Chop
- Protect
- Outrage

move 1: Scald
move 2: Rock Slide
move 3: Knock Off
move 4: Aqua Jet / Protect
item: Eviolite
ability: Solid Rock
nature: Relaxed
evs: 244 HP / 16 Def / 12 SpA / 236 SpD

move 1: Recover
move 2: Energy Ball
move 3: Stealth Rock
move 4: Hidden Power Rock
item: Eviolite
ability: Storm Drain
nature: Calm
evs: 228 HP / 144 Def / 28 SpA / 64 SpD / 16 Spe

Timburr (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Guts
EVs: 196 Atk / 236 SDef / 76 Spd
Careful Nature (+SDef, -SpA)
- Bulk Up
- Mach Punch
- Drain Punch
- Payback

Misdreavus (F) @ Eviolite
Trait: Levitate
EVs: 36 HP / 40 Def / 80 SpA / 80 SDef / 240 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Will-o-Wisp
- Pain Split
- Taunt / Heal Bell

Croagunk (M) @ Eviolite
Trait: Dry Skin
EVs: 212 HP / 28 Atk / 36 Def / 108 SAtk / 116 SDef
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Fake Out
- Vacuum Wave
- Shadow Ball
- Drain Punch

IMPORTABLE

Thank you everyone for all of the work you have put into finishing this team! It took a long time, but I think we as a community did a very good job! Waning interest and the fact that this team is for an outdated metagame, unfortunately, pushes me to not want to bother making an RMT lol...so I'm not going to.

After a while, never fret...we'll be doing a CCAT for BW2! I'll host it once again, but it will be in a whileeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. We'll be doing things a bit differently for that one, so hopefully it stays interesting! Thanks everybody!

Was a great way to end BW1 LC =).

Jul 5th, 2012, 3:16:50 AM	#226
Superpowerdude A Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 907 Australia Mentor	Shroomish is not Ko ed by adamant drilburs +2 X scissor and can procede to spore it I think Shroomish would fit quite well __________________ #ratemyteam \| Smog Work\| Rater Of the Week \| RMT \| Dogbirds Join #dogbirds on irc!!!

Jul 5th, 2012, 10:40:47 AM	#227
iss perpetual semifinalist Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,977 sirndpt <3	Life Orb Drilbur will OHKO nearly all of the time with a +2 X-Scissor and Eviolite versions will OHKO most of the time with a +2 X-Scissor after Stealth Rock. This is max/max+ Shroomish with Eviolite. __________________ "Mienfoo is a shitty Pokemon." - blarajan ~CHINCHOUS~

Jul 5th, 2012, 12:17:31 PM	#228
Ray Jay Clearly cannot choose the wine in front of you Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,507	Furthermore it struggles to switch into Earthquake on Life Orb Variants at all, as then X-Scissor can KO most of the time. This is more relevant as Swords Dance sets very rarely run X-Scissor. Also, I think we need to clarify whether we beat SubRoost Krow or not. I think the problem right now is no one can agree whether or not our Lileep set actually beats SubRoost, personally I think it does, but I'd like some other opinions... __________________ Don't count the days, make the days count. Katakiri: How did you even get into this university?

Jul 5th, 2012, 12:47:58 PM	#229
prem failed abortion Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,214 <@Sarenji> anyway i learned knitting pretty fast <@Sarenji> because im a woman Mentor	if we run a bold nature and giga drain i say it wins! otherwise you end up killing its sub but not killing the murkrow. which is good enough as far as im concerned but still __________________ +Yamata no Orochi: I don't get pussy

Jul 5th, 2012, 6:22:09 PM	#230
iss perpetual semifinalist Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,977 sirndpt <3	LO SubRoost 2HKOes, and Eviolite SubRoost should win when played correctly (especially with hail support). Then again SubRoost is a really hard set to deal with in general; even Bronzor can't win in the right circumstances. __________________ "Mienfoo is a shitty Pokemon." - blarajan ~CHINCHOUS~

Jul 6th, 2012, 2:46:10 AM	#231
Trakyan Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 139	im just wondering if the current lileep breaks eviolite subkrow's subs with giga drain/energy ball, i think we should make it so it does otherwise subkrow trolls lileep, if it breaks subkrows subs then subkrow cant substall+BB/DP lileep to death. If it breaks murkrows subs it should beat it pretty easily, energy ball the sub, it attacks, energy ball the sub as after it makes another and break it. kKeep doing this untill it doesnt have enough for sub or roosts in which case it dies or ends up taking 50% or more from energy ball and gets stuck in a roost cycle. Such EVs may be stupid but i dont know, if it doesnt take much i say we do it. __________________ Why are so many people choosing the same pokemon, what happened to originality? Not often you see rest in LC or even seedot eigh?

Jul 10th, 2012, 7:26:02 PM	#232
blarajan no abuse pls Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,718 Mentor	So let's vote on it? Tirtouga > Ponyta? Or leave the team as is? Due to waning interest and the new metagame, I think this will be the last vote before we write up an RMT. We'll do a BW2 CCAT soon. Bold your vote. __________________ Team Babby: Little Cup in Ubers RMT

Jul 10th, 2012, 7:42:04 PM	#233
Ray Jay Clearly cannot choose the wine in front of you Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,507	Tirtouga __________________ Don't count the days, make the days count. Katakiri: How did you even get into this university?

Jul 11th, 2012, 9:23:47 PM	#234
Trakyan Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 139	Ponyta __________________ Why are so many people choosing the same pokemon, what happened to originality? Not often you see rest in LC or even seedot eigh?

Jul 11th, 2012, 9:28:17 PM	#235
prem failed abortion Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,214 <@Sarenji> anyway i learned knitting pretty fast <@Sarenji> because im a woman Mentor	tirtouga __________________ +Yamata no Orochi: I don't get pussy

Jul 11th, 2012, 9:34:00 PM	#236
Elevator Music there is actually no underscore in my name Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,456	Tirtouga __________________

Jul 12th, 2012, 1:26:45 AM	#237
Deinosaur Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 485 Pretty average user.	Tirtouga __________________ I knew you were trouble when you walked in~ Pretty much all I do on Smogon anyway

Jul 12th, 2012, 4:29:27 AM	#238
Furai standing in the eye of the hurricane Moderator Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,088	Tirtouga it's cute __________________ *#gohard* \| Wolfpack (Ubers RMT)

Jul 12th, 2012, 6:22:01 AM	#239
spuds4ever Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 660 UK	Ponyta Subroost krow is annoying, but its not unstoppable for this team unlike snover will be I fear if we go for tirtouga. __________________ A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word 'darkness' on the walls of his cell. ~C.S. Lewis

Jul 12th, 2012, 12:25:48 PM	#240
blarajan no abuse pls Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,718 Mentor	Tirtouga I don't think we have Snover issues, to be frank. We have two Pokemon with STAB super effective priority, Stealth Rock, and individual resistances to Ice and Grass. Misdreavus can also live a hit. It'll be a bit trickier, yes, but it definitely won't be "unstoppable." It can't switch in on Croagunk or Timburr, for fear of Vacuum Wave or Mach Punch, Tirtouga has Rock Slide, Misdreavus has HP Fighting, Axew can Protect to scout what it locks itself into, and hell even Lileep has HP Rock. I don't see Snover issues at all. __________________ Team Babby: Little Cup in Ubers RMT

Jul 14th, 2012, 6:29:41 PM	#241
Trakyan Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 139	Im for ponyta because of its ability to safely switch into any of snovers common attacks, to be quite frank i dont think timbur will like eating a blizzard on the switch(i also doubt mach punch OHKOs), probably neither with croagunk, tirtouga will no doubt die to a giga drain. If its not scarfed it could cause even bigger problems with its ability to freely switch attacks and would do a number on the team with some careful play around missdrevous. __________________ Why are so many people choosing the same pokemon, what happened to originality? Not often you see rest in LC or even seedot eigh?

Jul 14th, 2012, 7:36:13 PM	#242
iss perpetual semifinalist Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,977 sirndpt <3	Timburr: Drain Punch: 26-32 (118.18 - 145.45%) Mach Punch: 14-18 (63.63 - 81.81%) Blizzard: 9-12 (36 - 48%) Croagunk: Fake Out: 4-5 (18.18 - 22.72%) Vacuum Wave: 14-18 (63.63 - 81.81%) Drain Punch: 20-26 (90.9 - 118.18%) Blizzard: 12-15 (50 - 62.5%) With the healing that Drain Punch provides, Snover isn't going to kill Croagunk or Timburr that quickly. Simply keeping Stealth Rock up will mean that Snover will not be able to deal much damage to this team. Ponyta, frankly, is overkill. Please run your calcs before saying things like that. :/ __________________ "Mienfoo is a shitty Pokemon." - blarajan ~CHINCHOUS~

Jul 15th, 2012, 8:26:19 AM	#244
iss perpetual semifinalist Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,977 sirndpt <3	Regardless, you're hitting something with Drain Punch, which will allow you to recover off the damage from Blizzard. If they have a Ghost-type, just Payback instead. __________________ "Mienfoo is a shitty Pokemon." - blarajan ~CHINCHOUS~

Jul 15th, 2012, 3:57:33 PM	#245
Chieliee Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,461	tirtouga __________________ nyuu~ This is the world we live in And these are the hands we're given Use them and lets start trying To make it a place worth living in.

Jul 17th, 2012, 5:34:17 PM	#247
comatthew6 # fucks I give = lim(x-->0)[cos(x) - 1]/x Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,584 New Jersey	tirtouga __________________ * BarackObama gives channel operator status to comatt6 * V0x get down on knees # of facebook statuses user: jumpluff has liked: 7 My purpose is clear. My targets - doomed.

Jul 21st, 2012, 1:39:13 AM	#248
blarajan no abuse pls Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,718 Mentor	Tirtouga > Ponyta! It has been done. Now what set? I personally dislike the one that Sir posted just because Aqua Jet hits like a little bitch, so what do the masses have to say about that? For reference: name: Support move 1: Scald move 2: Rock Slide move 3: Knock Off move 4: Aqua Jet / Protect item: Eviolite ability: Solid Rock nature: Relaxed evs: 244 HP / 16 Def / 12 SpA / 236 SpD What do you guys say about the set and spread? __________________ Team Babby: Little Cup in Ubers RMT

Jul 26th, 2012, 11:14:35 PM	#249
blarajan no abuse pls Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,718 Mentor	Okay fuck it. We'll use that set. And on that note: here is the final completed team! Axew (M) @ Eviolite Trait: Mold Breaker EVs: 68 HP / 220 Atk / 44 Def / 36 SDef / 140 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Dragon Dance - Dual Chop - Protect - Outrage move 1: Scald move 2: Rock Slide move 3: Knock Off move 4: Aqua Jet / Protect item: Eviolite ability: Solid Rock nature: Relaxed evs: 244 HP / 16 Def / 12 SpA / 236 SpD move 1: Recover move 2: Energy Ball move 3: Stealth Rock move 4: Hidden Power Rock item: Eviolite ability: Storm Drain nature: Calm evs: 228 HP / 144 Def / 28 SpA / 64 SpD / 16 Spe Timburr (F) @ Eviolite Trait: Guts EVs: 196 Atk / 236 SDef / 76 Spd Careful Nature (+SDef, -SpA) - Bulk Up - Mach Punch - Drain Punch - Payback Misdreavus (F) @ Eviolite Trait: Levitate EVs: 36 HP / 40 Def / 80 SpA / 80 SDef / 240 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Shadow Ball - Will-o-Wisp - Pain Split - Taunt / Heal Bell Croagunk (M) @ Eviolite Trait: Dry Skin EVs: 212 HP / 28 Atk / 36 Def / 108 SAtk / 116 SDef Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd) - Fake Out - Vacuum Wave - Shadow Ball - Drain Punch IMPORTABLE Axew (M) @ Eviolite Trait: Mold Breaker EVs: 68 HP / 220 Atk / 44 Def / 36 SDef / 140 Spd Jolly Nature (+Spd, -SAtk) - Dragon Dance - Protect - Outrage - Dual Chop Tirtouga (M) @ Eviolite Trait: Solid Rock EVs: 244 HP / 16 Def / 12 SAtk / 236 SDef Relaxed Nature (+Def, -Spd) - Scald - Knock Off - Rock Slide - Aqua Jet Lileep (F) @ Eviolite Trait: Storm Drain EVs: 228 HP / 144 Def / 28 SAtk / 64 SDef / 16 Spd Calm Nature (+SDef, -Atk) - Stealth Rock - Energy Ball - Hidden Power [Rock] - Recover Timburr (M) @ Eviolite Trait: Guts EVs: 76 HP / 196 Atk / 236 SDef Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk) - Bulk Up - Drain Punch - Payback - Mach Punch Misdreavus (M) @ Eviolite Trait: Levitate EVs: 36 HP / 36 Def / 76 SAtk / 76 SDef / 236 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Shadow Ball - Will-O-Wisp - Taunt - Pain Split Croagunk (F) @ Eviolite Trait: Dry Skin EVs: 212 HP / 28 Atk / 36 Def / 108 SAtk / 116 SDef Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd) - Fake Out - Drain Punch - Vacuum Wave - Shadow Ball Thank you everyone for all of the work you have put into finishing this team! It took a long time, but I think we as a community did a very good job! Waning interest and the fact that this team is for an outdated metagame, unfortunately, pushes me to not want to bother making an RMT lol...so I'm not going to. After a while, never fret...we'll be doing a CCAT for BW2! I'll host it once again, but it will be in a whileeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. We'll be doing things a bit differently for that one, so hopefully it stays interesting! Thanks everybody! Was a great way to end BW1 LC =). __________________ Team Babby: Little Cup in Ubers RMT