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Dr Ciel · Jun 18th, 2012, 12:07:22 PM

I'm just wondering, how good is DW Excadrill?

Deinosaur · Jun 18th, 2012, 12:20:46 PM

DW Excadrill is just as good as it was in OU. But there is also a lot of rain in this metagame which cause Excadrill to be sad.

Dr Ciel · Jun 18th, 2012, 1:05:40 PM

I thought as much, thanks.

ala · Jun 18th, 2012, 1:55:44 PM

And there's a couple more decent Excadrill checks/counters it needs to be fearful of. The biggest threats are Technician Breloom and Iron Fist Conklederp, bulky waters, Landorus/Gliscor, Sun/Rain, Iron Fist Infernape possibly.

Sewa · Jun 18th, 2012, 3:39:04 PM

So, nobody answered me: what will happen to dw tier when b2w2 will be released?

Matthew · Jun 18th, 2012, 4:07:25 PM

We'll play it by ear. GameFreak may not release every pokemon, or release them as both male and female, key factors in the DW metagame. Though I had some ideas about changes to the tier if we come to the point where it's too similar to OU with a different banlist

bluemon · Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:52:42 PM

Will we apply the tutors onto the unreleased poke as well?

like DRAGON PULSE SERPERIOR :D

**PK Gaming** · Jun 25th, 2012, 8:37:19 AM

So what exactly happened to Ditto? I was on IRC the other day and a few reputable DW players mentioned that it sort of petered off. Did we overestimate its ability to reverse sweep entire teams? Is it merely "a niche" Pokemon now? It's currently #43 for reference btw.

Hawkstar · Jun 25th, 2012, 11:20:24 AM

It is definitely not a bad Pokemon, but I can see why this is happening. While it threatens set-up sweepers and practically makes them unviable, it doesn't do so well against Choice item users or common stall Pokemon. The best it can do to Pokemon such as Slowbro is use their status move of choice against them. It also can only speed tie Choice Scarf users, while Choice Band/Specs users can't have their item boost stolen. Specs Keldeo, for instance, can OHKO Ditto with Secret Sword if it took some residual damage, while Ditto does around 55% with Secret Sword. It also. unfortunately, can't trap Chandelure locked into Overheat or something besides Shadow Ball.

So yeah, while it makes set-up sweepers run screaming, it matches up not so well with the other 90% of the metagame. Even so, I still think Ditto is worthy of a teamslot if your team struggles with set-up sweepers.

jrrrrrrr · Jun 25th, 2012, 4:20:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat PK Gaming

So what exactly happened to Ditto? I was on IRC the other day and a few reputable DW players mentioned that it sort of petered off. Did we overestimate its ability to reverse sweep entire teams? Is it merely "a niche" Pokemon now? It's currently #43 for reference btw.

The short answer is yes, we did overestimate it. That's because BW is, for the most part, a bulky offense metagame. Bulky offensive teams don't tend to be swept by choice-locked pokemon like Ditto usually is. When we had come out of gen4 where entire matches were won and lost with one turn of setup for the most part, Ditto would have been dominant. Imagine coming in on a +2 Lucario or a Nasty Plot Azelf, etc. Even the things Ditto can counter best like Excadrill and Keldeo can all be beaten without switching via Balloon and Secret Sword. Ditto probably shouldn't be #43 but we definitely gave it too much credit before we knew what the metagame would become.

Sewa · Jul 3rd, 2012, 5:08:17 AM

What is the server now for DW OU? I can't see a DW tier on PS so I assume we're still on PO, right?

V0x · Jul 3rd, 2012, 11:28:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Sewa

What is the server now for DW OU? I can't see a DW tier on PS so I assume we're still on PO, right?

PS! Is in the process of implementing DW OU, but for now it is still on PO.

ScarfBreloom · Jul 9th, 2012, 7:41:53 PM

Is it generally better to use Thundurus-I or Zapdos in this tier?

Jimbon · Jul 9th, 2012, 8:12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ScarfBreloom

Is it generally better to use Thundurus-I or Zapdos in this tier?

I think it's all down to your team composition, and what else is in your team. Thundurus obviously has a lot more offensive presence and is blessed with a higher speed stat, however Zapdos can form as a great defensive pivot, and when invested correctly can wall opponents on either sides of the physical / special spectrum.

From my experiences in Dream World, I've found Zapdos to be very effective. It fits great on Rain Teams, adding a valuable electric immunity that can be troublesome for Rain abusers, namely Keldeo and Manaphy. The main selling point of choosing Zapdos over Thundurus is the recovery, Zapdos can continuously switch in even with Stealth Rock up and heal off the damage, whereas Thundurus who lacks recovery and is more frail than Zapdos does not have recovery. This is definitely notable when Thundurus does like to abuse Volt Switch, as it will be switching in and out a lot, racking up even more Stealth Rock damage.

This is not to say Zapdos is better than Thundurus, both have their own merits. But as I said earlier, it's all down to the rest of your team. Thundurus can work really well in offensive rain teams when you get hazards down quick -- often Thundurus only needs Stealth Rock or a layer of Spikes to ensure the KOs it needs. On the other hand, Zapdos would work well on a more defensively inclined team, an example would be a team utilizing Toxic Spikes support. Zapdos with its recovery can keep switching in and Roosting off the hazards damage, while stalling out an opponent with Toxic Spikes. Both of these Pokemon have their uses, it's just finding the right support for them to make them work.

Azure Kite · Jul 18th, 2012, 5:37:31 PM

How exactly are the DW pokemon released?

V0x · Jul 18th, 2012, 8:21:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Azure Kite

How exactly are the DW pokemon released?

Nintendo basically chooses and sends the Pokemon out to Dream World where players with BW and Internet can connect and get them. Afaik one time they had a huge vote for what would get released.

~~superbadd~~ · Jul 18th, 2012, 8:26:29 PM

When will darkrai be allowed in dw?

drakon136 · Jul 18th, 2012, 10:20:12 PM

Nobody knows. For all we know, it won't be unbanned. My guess is that there will be a 'proper' retest period once the Bad Dream World tournament ends, and a voting period after that.

Azure Kite · Jul 19th, 2012, 8:56:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat V0x

Nintendo basically chooses and sends the Pokemon out to Dream World where players with BW and Internet can connect and get them. Afaik one time they had a huge vote for what would get released.

So when they decide to throw out pokemon in the Dream World they become available in-game and thus legal... right?

Thanks.

V0x · Jul 19th, 2012, 1:09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Azure Kite

So when they decide to throw out pokemon in the Dream World they become available in-game and thus legal... right?

Thanks.

Correct, once they are catchable on the cartridge they become legal for OU, UU, RU, NU, LC, or Ubers (whatever the mon was). (I guess VGC too).

Armanyte · Aug 10th, 2012, 10:53:37 PM

Ok, what competitively viable pokemon don't have their DW abilities released?
I can think of 3 ATM.
-ST Chandelure
-Contrary Serperior
-Sheer Force Feraligatr (for UU)

Sewa · Aug 11th, 2012, 10:59:19 AM

Lrod Zapdos.. maybe Sheer Force Landorus

White symphoni · Aug 11th, 2012, 2:15:15 PM

Sewa,nope.Sheer Force Landorus is already released.Looking forward to Lrod Zapdose.It can wreck rain teams including the rain Therians.

drakon136 · Aug 11th, 2012, 2:23:07 PM

Don't forget about Volt Absorb Raikou.

Sewa · Aug 11th, 2012, 4:40:42 PM

And Suicune too, with an immunity to come in.

Jun 18th, 2012, 12:20:46 PM	#102
Deinosaur Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 483 Pretty average user.	DW Excadrill is just as good as it was in OU. But there is also a lot of rain in this metagame which cause Excadrill to be sad. __________________ I knew you were trouble when you walked in~ Pretty much all I do on Smogon anyway

Jun 18th, 2012, 4:07:25 PM	#106
Matthew I love weather; Sun for days Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3,573 Where the Sun finally sets	We'll play it by ear. GameFreak may not release every pokemon, or release them as both male and female, key factors in the DW metagame. Though I had some ideas about changes to the tier if we come to the point where it's too similar to OU with a different banlist __________________ ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻ What bitgamer tehconnection popcorn last.fm

Jun 22nd, 2012, 9:52:42 PM	#107
bluemon Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,498 ♠ AmoongBro ♠	Will we apply the tutors onto the unreleased poke as well? like DRAGON PULSE SERPERIOR :D __________________ AmoongBro User (22:54:20) *** Your rank in Dream World OU is 15/16972 [1442 points / 244 battles]!

Jun 25th, 2012, 8:37:19 AM	#108
PK Gaming Quiet Thunder God Moderator Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 4,520 Izanagi	So what exactly happened to Ditto? I was on IRC the other day and a few reputable DW players mentioned that it sort of petered off. Did we overestimate its ability to reverse sweep entire teams? Is it merely "a niche" Pokemon now? It's currently #43 for reference btw. __________________

Jun 25th, 2012, 11:20:24 AM	#109
Hawkstar Are you hanging by a thread or swinging from the rope? Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 627 Western Pennsylvania	It is definitely not a bad Pokemon, but I can see why this is happening. While it threatens set-up sweepers and practically makes them unviable, it doesn't do so well against Choice item users or common stall Pokemon. The best it can do to Pokemon such as Slowbro is use their status move of choice against them. It also can only speed tie Choice Scarf users, while Choice Band/Specs users can't have their item boost stolen. Specs Keldeo, for instance, can OHKO Ditto with Secret Sword if it took some residual damage, while Ditto does around 55% with Secret Sword. It also. unfortunately, can't trap Chandelure locked into Overheat or something besides Shadow Ball. So yeah, while it makes set-up sweepers run screaming, it matches up not so well with the other 90% of the metagame. Even so, I still think Ditto is worthy of a teamslot if your team struggles with set-up sweepers. __________________ Art thread! [22:11] Helias: FUCK YOU HAWKSTAR THAT'S NOT MY NAME

Jun 18th, 2012, 12:07:22 PM	#101
Dr Ciel When I walk these streets, A loaded six string on my back, I play for keeps, 'Cause I might not make it back Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 632 Brooklyn, New York	I'm just wondering, how good is DW Excadrill?

Jun 18th, 2012, 1:05:40 PM	#103
Dr Ciel When I walk these streets, A loaded six string on my back, I play for keeps, 'Cause I might not make it back Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 632 Brooklyn, New York	I thought as much, thanks.

Jun 18th, 2012, 1:55:44 PM	#104
ala a Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 3,967 mercinary	And there's a couple more decent Excadrill checks/counters it needs to be fearful of. The biggest threats are Technician Breloom and Iron Fist Conklederp, bulky waters, Landorus/Gliscor, Sun/Rain, Iron Fist Infernape possibly.

Jun 18th, 2012, 3:39:04 PM	#105
Sewa Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 131	So, nobody answered me: what will happen to dw tier when b2w2 will be released?

Jul 3rd, 2012, 5:08:17 AM	#111
Sewa Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 131	What is the server now for DW OU? I can't see a DW tier on PS so I assume we're still on PO, right?

Jul 9th, 2012, 7:41:53 PM	#113
ScarfBreloom Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 2 Philadelphia	Is it generally better to use Thundurus-I or Zapdos in this tier?

Jul 18th, 2012, 5:37:31 PM	#115
Azure Kite Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 5	How exactly are the DW pokemon released?

Jul 18th, 2012, 8:26:29 PM	#117
~~superbadd~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 357	When will darkrai be allowed in dw?

Jul 18th, 2012, 10:20:12 PM	#118
drakon136 Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 145 Canadia	Nobody knows. For all we know, it won't be unbanned. My guess is that there will be a 'proper' retest period once the Bad Dream World tournament ends, and a voting period after that. __________________ Resident Type-MOON Fan

Aug 10th, 2012, 10:53:37 PM	#121
Armanyte Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 22 Somewhere between north and south poles.	Ok, what competitively viable pokemon don't have their DW abilities released? I can think of 3 ATM. -ST Chandelure -Contrary Serperior -Sheer Force Feraligatr (for UU)

Aug 11th, 2012, 10:59:19 AM	#122
Sewa Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 131	Lrod Zapdos.. maybe Sheer Force Landorus

Aug 11th, 2012, 2:15:15 PM	#123
White symphoni Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 337 Where the ocean bleeds into the sky	Sewa,nope.Sheer Force Landorus is already released.Looking forward to Lrod Zapdose.It can wreck rain teams including the rain Therians. __________________

Aug 11th, 2012, 2:23:07 PM	#124
drakon136 Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 145 Canadia	Don't forget about Volt Absorb Raikou. __________________ Resident Type-MOON Fan

Aug 11th, 2012, 4:40:42 PM	#125
Sewa Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 131	And Suicune too, with an immunity to come in.