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Old Aug 24th, 2011, 6:29:48 PM   #26
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fixed. I'm not entirely sure with the C&C process, but I think GP checks come next?--that is, if there aren't other things people want to point out about the content?

EDIT: Thanks, Nexus, for making that clear

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Old Aug 24th, 2011, 6:44:01 PM   #27
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Yes, I have already submitted this to the GP queue, when it's added you may request GP checks from active GP checkers.
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Old Aug 26th, 2011, 11:17:18 AM   #28
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Working on a check.
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Old Sep 5th, 2011, 1:20:15 PM   #29
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Old Sep 6th, 2011, 7:19:19 PM   #30
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I think FEAR aron deserves a mention, as it is now rather common.
Aron (F) @ Shell Bell
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 255 Atk / 255 Spd
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Endeavor
- Toxic
- Sandstorm

endeavor is the only used move here, and max speed evs are if (god forbid) another aron appears. for those of you who havn't seen this heres how it works

turn 1
aron vrs machamp!
sandstorm is active
machamp used dynamic punch!
aron lost 11 hp!
aron held on thanks to sturdy!
aron became confused!
aron is confused!
aron used endeavor!
machamp lost 99% of its health!
aron regained health!(11 hp)
the sandstorm killed machamp!
trainer brings in electivier!
(repeat)
ect....

very good set, trick, switcheroo, exploding, ect are good ways to kill it, but you lose a poke. keeping rocks on the feild is helpfull, as rocks break sturdy, but the aron user will have a rapid spinner. Using a poke innefected by sandstorm against aron works, but you get left with one hp. u-turning to a ghost is the only common stradegy iv'e seen that kills it.
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Old Sep 6th, 2011, 10:39:16 PM   #31
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Not only is that set super gimmicky, the article is also (supposedly) going through a grammar check. Since editing the contents during the grammar check will lead to confusion and likely repeated / and or additional work, I'll wait until that first GP check comes for content edits.
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Old Sep 12th, 2011, 8:02:00 AM   #32
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amateur gp check! will most probably continue working on this (it's so long :X) - i'll just edit my post, if that's convenient?

anyways, it's pretty good! I hope I didn't overwrite your style too much: mainly rephrased some bits and combined a few short sentences. there was a slight tendency to overuse phrases such as, well, "such as" - oh, and note your use of curly apostrophes (use ' not ).



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introduction + sandstorm basics + the sand streamers


sandstorm playstyles


offensive sandstorm


other sandstorm sweepers


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Old Sep 12th, 2011, 7:08:00 PM   #33
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Most edits accepted. I'm having trouble with deleting away the strikethrough-ed parts and de-coloring it, etc. So It will take a bit to load up everything.

For the 'such as' it's all over the place because I prefer to rein myself. It's at least better than using 'like' all over the place instead (which is what I tend to do when I speak).
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Old Sep 12th, 2011, 10:33:21 PM   #34
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hmmmm new post, then? it's clearer this way IMO.

defensive sandstorm


other defensive pokemon


other options


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main threats


drizzle teams


drought teams


fighting-types

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Old Sep 12th, 2011, 10:42:35 PM   #35
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While most Rotom formes lost its OU status upon losing its Ghost-typing, Rotom-W was able to retain its OU status for a good reason. Water / Electric is a fantastic typing, both offensively and defensively. It gives Rotom-W only one rare weakness in Grass, while providing excellent dual-STAB that nothing bar Grass-types and Gastrodon resist. It also has handy access to Wil-o-wisp to cripple the most common Grass-type, Ferrothorn. In fact, Rotom-W is deceptively bulky with Will-o-wisp and Pain Split, even with little defensive investment. Another plus of Rotom-W is that it is very difficult for rain teams to handle—it has resistances to Hydro Pump and Hurricane, while only taking neutral damage from Thunder. After tanking a strong hit, Rotom-W can recover with Pain Split, or retaliate with a strong Thunderbolt that most likely hits the majority of the opposing rain team super effective.
its Will-O-Wisp. Capital O
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Ok, so I have to say...

I deeply apologize for the work that should have been done on this that has not been yet. sirndpt's check is very good, please implement it. I am implementing it as a sort of half check right now. Let's say it's 1/3. The 1 is that checK; THE THIRD IS ME. I actually have half of it done; but I don't want to reformat the entire thing. Don't worry; it won't be a big deal. Just send me a message when you're ready, and it'll be done actually ASAP.



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DONE

other threats


teambuilding tips

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Old Sep 20th, 2011, 10:40:01 AM   #38
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you missed out in the intro of SS that sand rush also prevent dmg
I mean the part that says "All non-Rock-, Steel-, and Ground-type Pokemon and Pokemon without the ability Magic Guard, Sand Veil, or Overcoat take 1/16 damage at the end of every turn."

And also, why no mention of CB Stoutland? That thing gets more kills than Excadril on my team.
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Old Oct 9th, 2011, 8:31:06 PM   #39
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Yup... it happened. Now that Excadrill and Garchomp are both gone, what's the only sand abuser... Landorus and... Stoutland? Expect many changes, and don't hesitate to suggest some. TBH, I'm pretty stuck on how to advance.

I'm pretty sure that now fighting-types don't even have to be highlighted as too big of a concern now that the best abuser resists Fighting-types. Then there's the question of "is sandstorm even viable anymore, other than that anti-Sun & Rain presence" now that balanced sand teams lost their best sweeper and spinner.

Of course, I then need a good sandstorm team. Without Excadrill.

Do we even need this article anymore...

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I definitely don't see sandstorm going anywhere; it's always really been more anti-rain/ sun than its own dedicated weather (at least since Garchomp's ban and chompy functioned on just about any team, really) and having an article for players looking to specialize their team a bit more is definitely helpful imo. and if nothing else, sand stall's really quite viable too.

but what I wonder is if Excadrill may be retested following the release of DW Breloom - if so it might be more trouble than it's worth to rewrite the entire article.
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I definitely don't see sandstorm going anywhere; it's always really been more anti-rain/ sun than its own dedicated weather (at least since Garchomp's ban and chompy functioned on just about any team, really) and having an article for players looking to specialize their team a bit more is definitely helpful imo. and if nothing else, sand stall's really quite viable too.

but what I wonder is if Excadrill may be retested following the release of DW Breloom - if so it might be more trouble than it's worth to rewrite the entire article.
Not only did sand suddenly become the anti-weather of BW, but it has always been there as an afterthought, just that thing that slowly chips away at everything on your team who don't resist it. Maybe the article should focus more on sand defense (stall, the auto SpD boost for Rock-types) and have a small section regarding sand offense (Landorus, Stoutland, and Reuniclus since it's immune and the opponent suffers).

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Could be mentioned that NP Lucario can counter Excadrill, who is one of the major problems for Sandstorm teams.


What's especially funny is that it's in your signature.
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I'm not dead yet! OK now considering that Sand is the anti-weather, I don't think we have to consider the opposing weathers as 'threats' technically... I mean you use a sand team so that you fare better against rain and sun. That means that it's less of a threat! (logic prevails) This means that I can significantly cut down on the material, and use the additional space to cover UU Sandstorm.

I'm almost there for the grammar, finally figured out how to CP stuff onto Word =] I just need the spacings fixed up (which always happens when you CP stuff from website to Word) and I'll be there in no time!

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Table of Contents:
  • Overview
  • Introduction and Sand Effects
  • Sandstorm Inducers
  • Sandstorm Playstyle
  • Pokemon to Consider
  • Offensive Abusers list
  • Offensive Pokemon immune to ss
  • Other offensive Pokemon
  • Sandstorm defensive walls
  • Other defensive Pokemon
  • Other Options
  • UU
  • Problems for Sandstorm Teams
  • Teambuilding Tips
  • Example Team
  • Conclusion
Introduction

Sandstorm Basics

The Sand Streamers

Sandstorm Playstyles

Offensive Sandstorm

Other Sandstorm Sweepers

Other Offensive Pokemon

Defensive Sandstorm

Other Defensive Pokemon

Other Options + Sandstorm in UU Metagame

Main Threats

Deleted Threats

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http://www.smogon.com/forums/convers...70760&u2=36684

It appears Amarillo may have left Smogon as he has not signed in since November 29th. I'm not sure what's going on, so I shall proceed with this message.

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edit: checking just Politoed, Starmie, Rotom-W, Ninetales, Conkeldurr, Terrakion, Breloom, Virizion, Skarmory/Forretress, and Dragonite should be fine. Feel free to disagree on the list, though. Also, idk why Gliscor was never on the top threat list considering it was the best check for exca but w/e. Even now, the top 'sand' sweeper terrakion is best checked by gliscor so i wouldn't mind writing a short blurb on him. (yeah sand sweepers don't exist anymore but )
I've made a few judgement calls: Tornadus stays because you pretty much need Sand up or Rotom-W to stop it, and having Ttar beaten down by U-Turn is not fun. Volcarona stays because it can shred many common members of sand ie) Ttar, although its checked by Terrakion and Heatran, Volcarona can still carry HP Ground to make their lives miserable. Lucario stays because it can make common Sand Pokes drop like flies with Close Combat+Ice Punch, Scarf Ttar and Terrakion might be able to revenge kill it, but you'd have to be pretty damn gutsy to switch in. Scizor stays because it can pummel Terrakion and Landorus, the two most potent sand abusers, with Bullet Punch. Sand is more a threat to Dragonite than Dragonite is a threat to Sand. Therefore, it shall be removed as well. The threats to sandstorm subsections will be deleted, and I will sort the Pokemon in alphabetical order.

Still need to Gliscor written up, and I shall go ahead and keep all the Pokemon Amarillo wanted to keep. As well, I will keep a couple Pokes who I feel are big enough threats to sand to be worth a mention. If Amarillo never comes back, I guess I will write Gliscor myself and have somebody else quickly GP it. As well, I personally feel that Forretress and Skarmory play much too differently to be regarded as the same Pokemon, so I feel they should be rewritten as well. Another judgement call, but like Gliscor, Slowbro needs to be added, simply because it counters Terrakion and Landorus.

As the author isn't here atm to make the final say, criticism is appreciated.

I'm also going to go in and fix all the picture links.
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Old Dec 6th, 2011, 10:36:30 PM   #45
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Okay here's Gliscor. I never got how Eternal can write that much but i tried my best so that this doesn't look abnormally short in comparison. Aff it's still too short but w/e nwo can just cut down verbose phrases for other things and the length will even out.

BTW as NWO said my activity will be declining much so i mean someone can take it over if they really really really want to. NWO's going to give the second GP stamp, so really all you need to do is take all his edits and format it (the formatting is really annoying, it's just me I guess.) Idk NWO if you get back then you can do that yourself (ps: i'm leaving for like two weeks too so yeah)

Gliscor:

Gliscor can threaten any sandstorm team with its excellent Defense and typing. Its typing gives it an immunity to Ground while retaining the neutrality to Rock—this means that Gliscor can wall common sand sweepers with ease. Both Landorus and Terrakion have extreme difficulties in getting past Gliscor unless they use Hidden Power Ice. While Hippowdon without Ice Fang is completely helpless against Gliscor as it Toxic stalls, Tyranitar will fall to a few Earthquakes if it does not carry Ice Beam. Other common sand Pokemon, such as Skarmory and Scizor, will lose to the standard Taunt and Swords Dance set. Note that Ice-type moves on sandstorm Pokemon are left as viable options purely for Gliscor: a testament to how much Gliscor threatens a standard sand team. Without such coverage moves to surprise Gliscor, a Ground-resist with a way to hit Gliscor, such as Celebi, should be necessary. Otherwise, Water-type Pokemon such as Rotom-W can shut it down with a powerful STAB.
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I know that you are going through a Grammar Check, but I think we are missing out on a huge offensive player for sandstorm teams: Breloom. He is one of the only non-Ground/Rock/Steel Pokemon that can function inside Sandstorm, since Poison Heal recovers 12.5% each turn, outpacing Sandstorm's damage to give you Leftovers recovery. The water resist is very helpful and it can dismantle rain teams with ease with its grass-stab for waters and fighting-stab for Ferrothorn. I've been using him on my Sandstorm with great success and he definitely fits in a lot better than other "non-sand" pokemon
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- I tested a CB Swampert on a sand team with, Waterfall, Superpower, Earthquake and Ice Punch, it netted a lot of surprise KO's

- Also, I think Alakazam should be in the offense section too.
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If you need a good offensive sand team maybe you should try Euthanasia.
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I think I found a typo. You had:


Metagross
Type: Steel / Psychic
Stats: 80 / 135 / 130 / 95 / 90 70
Ability: Clear Body / Light Metal

What I think you meant was:



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Stats: 80 / 135 / 130 / 95 / 90/70
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