Six Move Battling - Page 2

Direwolf12 · Jul 30th, 2012, 3:48:17 PM

Contrary Serperior would be even more scary... Leaf-Storm, HP Fire, Dragon Pulse, Giga Drain, Rest, Sleep Talk... yikes he'd be a pain to take out

Skill Swap · Jul 30th, 2012, 3:52:44 PM

actually i find something like forretress terribly broken

gyro ball
rspin
spikes
t spikes
volt switch
pain split

sp def rachi also

wish
protect
iron head
thunder/bslam
fire punch
stealth rock

not to mention blissey

stoss
toxic
ftrower
softboiled
stealth rock
heal bell

Sciztar · Jul 30th, 2012, 3:56:59 PM

If GameFreak were to introduce 6 Move Battling, they would have to update everyone's BST. B/c some Pokemon are just to frail to take some the move set of certain Pokemon.

Dusk209 · Jul 30th, 2012, 4:02:12 PM

Although stall will have more options, keep in mind that every pokemon ever will be able to run tons of coverage moves, as well as moves that help disrupt stall like trick, taunt, etc. I don't think stall will get out of hand.

KurashiDragon · Jul 30th, 2012, 4:22:31 PM

Reuniclus: Psychic, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, Recover, Calm Mind, Trick Room

And suddenly everything's right with the world. :D

UltiMario · Jul 30th, 2012, 4:32:29 PM

This is amazing.

Now Deo-D can have 6 Moveslot syndrome!

Cobraroll · Jul 30th, 2012, 5:49:08 PM

Shadow Tag Chandelure (once released):

Chandelure @Choice Scarf
- Trick
- Calm Mind
- Substitute
- Acid Armor
- Flamethrower
- Shadow Ball

Basically, Trick your scarf onto an opponent setting up, should you come across one. Then proceed to invincibility, get a Sub up and sweep (or trick the scarf back first, if you like). At +6/+6/+6, very few things will hit your hard enough to break the Subs, and hopefully not hard enough to threaten you afterwards.

Amazing idea for a metagame, by the way!

Zentrius · Jul 30th, 2012, 6:56:22 PM

Why would you even use Acid Armor anyway? It's a terrible move in my opinion, and Heatran walls you pretty hard. I'd put Hidde Power Fight over it.

VaporeonIce · Jul 30th, 2012, 7:16:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zentrius

Why would you even use Acid Armor anyway? It's a terrible move in my opinion, and Heatran walls you pretty hard. I'd put Hidde Power Fight over it.

Defense boosting moves are only terrible because they give your opponent free turns to set up, switch to something that smashes face on your other defensive stat, etc. In this case, Acid Armor is actually amazing; Chandelure doesn't have much trouble finding one opponent to set up Calm Minds against, but it's very vulnerable to being killed after it managed to set up (because it's not that fast, nor is it physically bulky). With Acid Armor, your opponent will have a tough time finding two Pokemon who can actually do enough damage to break the Sub and KO the un-subbed, 3/4 health Chandelure (assuming Trick didn't give it a Leftovers). So in this case, Chandelure would LOVE Acid Armor. The point about Heatran is a good one, though; I'd think you could actually drop Flamethrower for HP Fighting; 252/252+ Forretress, for instance, is always OHKO'd by +6 HP Fighting after Stealth Rock, as is Bulky Swords Dance Scizor and Specially Defensive Skarmory.

Relados · Jul 30th, 2012, 7:19:51 PM

I'd like for people to try out lots of stuff in this battle style. I'm sure at least a couple of things will prove too powerful in their tier. Please post any results you might have.

I for one still hate Breloom in 4 move and 6 move.

R7Rules · Jul 31st, 2012, 7:54:11 AM

deoxys-s could now have stealth rock/ spikes/ taunt/ extremespeed/ reflect/ light screen
infernape, lucario, techniloom and starmie would also be great

Lee · Jul 31st, 2012, 8:03:58 AM

Escavalier @ Choice Band
- Megahorn
- n/a
- n/a
- n/a
- n/a
- n/a

escavalier dgaf about your six moveslots

Jcpdragonx · Jul 31st, 2012, 8:20:56 AM

Jirachi
CM
Wish
Sub
Water Pulse
Thunder
Grass Knot/Psyshock

That would be fun under rain

R7Rules · Jul 31st, 2012, 8:37:07 AM

Breloom@Life Orb
Ability: Technician
Moves:
- Spore
- Substitute
- Swords Dance
- Bullet Seed
- Mach Punch
- Stone Edge

This would destroy everything bar Toxicroak
Teammates: Deoxys-S, Lucario, Infernape and Raikou (with VoltTurn), and Blissey

Groombridge · Jul 31st, 2012, 10:33:20 AM

Infernape @ LO/Expert Belt

- Fake Out/Taunt
- U-turn
- Close Combat
- Fire Blast
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic

Swiss Army Ape: supports with SR, scouts with U-turn, poisons a bunch of its counters with Toxic, hits hard with its STABs and possibly breaks stall with Taunt. Tentacruel is about the only thing that can deal with all of its moves that comes to mind, but on a full team of 6MS pokes, you can find plenty of slots for EQ.

Mamoswine @ Leftovers

- Substitute
- Ice Shard
- Icicle Spear
- Superpower
- Earthquake
- Stealth Rock

This is the Mamo I wish I could run. Sub Mamo is amazing, beating so many counters with a sub up. Add SR for utility and Superpower for more coverage (Rotom-W in particular), and you're golden. I think multi-purposing pokes with wide movepools will be the defining characteristic of this meta: no need to pick a support or offensive Gliscor - have both with SD/Taunt/Ice Fang/EQ/Acrobatics/Toxic!

Electrolyte · Jul 31st, 2012, 1:18:00 PM

Pokemon with massive movepools such as Smeargle or Mew are definitely stronger in this tier. Taunt is also very much more useful; as 6 moveslots opens up room for non attacking moves when 4 or 5 moves are enough. It's also much harder to wall a few new pokemon, because they become much more diverse and have much more options. Double Dancing is now much more effective:
Haxorus @ Lum Berry
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
~Dragon Dance
~Swords Dance
~Outrage
~Dual Chop
~Earthquake
~Aqua Tail
~Superpower

No more 4MSS!

Relados · Jul 31st, 2012, 1:43:47 PM

Because of all the potential sweepers and sets, expect lots of red cards, roar and whirlwind.

ThisMysteriousGuy · Jul 31st, 2012, 1:59:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Relados

Because of all the potential sweepers and sets, expect lots of red cards, roar and whirlwind.

Oh my god Red Card Deoxys-D from that tourney

Deoxys-D (probably not 100% accurate or 100% effective, but it gives the general idea)
Item: Red Card
- Recover
- Taunt
- Seismic Toss
- Recycle
- Toxic
- Spikes

God what a troll this was to face <__> The user kept recycling his Red Card and healing off damage, as well as damaging me, laying hazards and statusing. Whenever I attempted to attack him, I get phazed and take damage from hazards. It didn't last too long cause Deoxys-D isn't as bulky as it seems, but if someone played it just right it would be like a really bulky Prankster Riolu.

SuperCharizardMaster · Jul 31st, 2012, 2:24:12 PM

Venusaur would love a mixed set of Giga drain/Sludge bomb/HP Fire/Growth/Earthquake/and Sleep powder.

Plus love the alakazam comic.

Zentrius · Jul 31st, 2012, 2:24:32 PM

You know what I'd love to see?

Volcarona
Item: Life Orb
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Fiery Dance
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power Rock
- Roost

This could be pretty awesome.

Relados · Jul 31st, 2012, 3:28:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ThisMysteriousGuy

Oh my god Red Card Deoxys-D from that tourney

I was sure that Deoxys-D was going to win on its own. I applaud the man who thought of that strategy.

Just goes to show that even with the more powerful sweepers, the stallers can still manage.

CooltrainerAlan · Aug 2nd, 2012, 8:53:42 PM

Well, this metagame would be quite different from any other alternative metagames out there. I could Imagine it now.

How does this sound for Scizor?

Substitute
Roost
Swords Dance
Bullet Punch
Bug Bite
Superpower

Seems pretty powerful.

Also, Baton Pass gets a lot more options and can pass different things. Something Like SD/Tail Glow/Agility/Bulk Up/Calm Mind/ Baton Pass Smeargle. seems kind of gimmicky though.

VaporeonIce · Aug 2nd, 2012, 8:59:40 PM

Why would you use that Smeargle when there are strictly superior versions of three of the moves (Shift Gear > Agility, Coil > Bulk Up, Quiver Dance > Calm Mind), and none of them are as good as Shell Smash?

CooltrainerAlan · Aug 2nd, 2012, 9:03:36 PM

I guess I wasn't thinking about the other boost moves. Good idea!

shstakvchlvr · Aug 4th, 2012, 10:28:36 AM

I wonder if things like TormentTran could function here since it wouldn't have to choose between Toxic, Lava Plume, Taunt, Protect, Sub, and Torment.

Also could try TormentScor with the same set except for EQ over Lava Plume.

Jul 30th, 2012, 3:56:59 PM	#28
Sciztar Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 237	If GameFreak were to introduce 6 Move Battling, they would have to update everyone's BST. B/c some Pokemon are just to frail to take some the move set of certain Pokemon. __________________ Need Help With an OU Trick Room Team? Join the Trick Room Expert Group

Jul 31st, 2012, 8:03:58 AM	#37
Lee @ Thick Club Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 4,318 Lake District, UK	Escavalier @ Choice Band - Megahorn - n/a - n/a - n/a - n/a - n/a escavalier dgaf about your six moveslots __________________ Lee

Jul 31st, 2012, 8:20:56 AM	#38
Jcpdragonx Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 309 Australia	Jirachi CM Wish Sub Water Pulse Thunder Grass Knot/Psyshock That would be fun under rain __________________

Jul 31st, 2012, 10:33:20 AM	#40
Groombridge Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 113	Infernape @ LO/Expert Belt - Fake Out/Taunt - U-turn - Close Combat - Fire Blast - Stealth Rock - Toxic Swiss Army Ape: supports with SR, scouts with U-turn, poisons a bunch of its counters with Toxic, hits hard with its STABs and possibly breaks stall with Taunt. Tentacruel is about the only thing that can deal with all of its moves that comes to mind, but on a full team of 6MS pokes, you can find plenty of slots for EQ. Mamoswine @ Leftovers - Substitute - Ice Shard - Icicle Spear - Superpower - Earthquake - Stealth Rock This is the Mamo I wish I could run. Sub Mamo is amazing, beating so many counters with a sub up. Add SR for utility and Superpower for more coverage (Rotom-W in particular), and you're golden. I think multi-purposing pokes with wide movepools will be the defining characteristic of this meta: no need to pick a support or offensive Gliscor - have both with SD/Taunt/Ice Fang/EQ/Acrobatics/Toxic! __________________ Formerly d e u t e r o n o p i a UQM FTW

Jul 31st, 2012, 1:18:00 PM	#41
Electrolyte Cause you keep me coming back for more Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,052 And I feel a little better than I did before Mentor	Pokemon with massive movepools such as Smeargle or Mew are definitely stronger in this tier. Taunt is also very much more useful; as 6 moveslots opens up room for non attacking moves when 4 or 5 moves are enough. It's also much harder to wall a few new pokemon, because they become much more diverse and have much more options. Double Dancing is now much more effective: Haxorus @ Lum Berry 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe Jolly Nature ~Dragon Dance ~Swords Dance ~Outrage ~Dual Chop ~Earthquake ~Aqua Tail ~Superpower No more 4MSS! __________________ Stuff (Click!): l l l l l l l l l l VM me for an OU / LC team rate! MURKBRO MAFIA

Jul 30th, 2012, 3:48:17 PM	#26
Direwolf12 Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 10	Contrary Serperior would be even more scary... Leaf-Storm, HP Fire, Dragon Pulse, Giga Drain, Rest, Sleep Talk... yikes he'd be a pain to take out

Jul 30th, 2012, 3:52:44 PM	#27
Skill Swap Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 15	actually i find something like forretress terribly broken gyro ball rspin spikes t spikes volt switch pain split sp def rachi also wish protect iron head thunder/bslam fire punch stealth rock not to mention blissey stoss toxic ftrower softboiled stealth rock heal bell

Jul 30th, 2012, 4:02:12 PM	#29
Dusk209 No relation. Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 149	Although stall will have more options, keep in mind that every pokemon ever will be able to run tons of coverage moves, as well as moves that help disrupt stall like trick, taunt, etc. I don't think stall will get out of hand.

Jul 30th, 2012, 4:22:31 PM	#30
KurashiDragon Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 754 Where the dragons take me.	Reuniclus: Psychic, Shadow Ball, Focus Blast, Recover, Calm Mind, Trick Room And suddenly everything's right with the world. :D

Jul 30th, 2012, 5:49:08 PM	#32
Cobraroll Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 708	Shadow Tag Chandelure (once released): Chandelure @Choice Scarf - Trick - Calm Mind - Substitute - Acid Armor - Flamethrower - Shadow Ball Basically, Trick your scarf onto an opponent setting up, should you come across one. Then proceed to invincibility, get a Sub up and sweep (or trick the scarf back first, if you like). At +6/+6/+6, very few things will hit your hard enough to break the Subs, and hopefully not hard enough to threaten you afterwards. Amazing idea for a metagame, by the way!

Jul 30th, 2012, 6:56:22 PM	#33
Zentrius Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 92 "And then the entire population was staring at her, like she was some sort of freak monster ..."	Why would you even use Acid Armor anyway? It's a terrible move in my opinion, and Heatran walls you pretty hard. I'd put Hidde Power Fight over it.

Jul 30th, 2012, 7:19:51 PM	#35
Relados Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 332	I'd like for people to try out lots of stuff in this battle style. I'm sure at least a couple of things will prove too powerful in their tier. Please post any results you might have. I for one still hate Breloom in 4 move and 6 move.

Jul 31st, 2012, 7:54:11 AM	#36
R7Rules Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 17 New York/London	deoxys-s could now have stealth rock/ spikes/ taunt/ extremespeed/ reflect/ light screen infernape, lucario, techniloom and starmie would also be great

Jul 31st, 2012, 8:37:07 AM	#39
R7Rules Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 17 New York/London	Breloom@Life Orb Ability: Technician Moves: - Spore - Substitute - Swords Dance - Bullet Seed - Mach Punch - Stone Edge This would destroy everything bar Toxicroak Teammates: Deoxys-S, Lucario, Infernape and Raikou (with VoltTurn), and Blissey

Jul 31st, 2012, 1:43:47 PM	#42
Relados Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 332	Because of all the potential sweepers and sets, expect lots of red cards, roar and whirlwind.

Jul 31st, 2012, 2:24:12 PM	#44
SuperCharizardMaster Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 138	Venusaur would love a mixed set of Giga drain/Sludge bomb/HP Fire/Growth/Earthquake/and Sleep powder. Plus love the alakazam comic. __________________ http://www.pokecharms.com/trainercar...701a8920a4.png Want to take me on?

Jul 31st, 2012, 2:24:32 PM	#45
Zentrius Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 92 "And then the entire population was staring at her, like she was some sort of freak monster ..."	You know what I'd love to see? Volcarona Item: Life Orb - Quiver Dance - Bug Buzz - Fiery Dance - Giga Drain - Hidden Power Rock - Roost This could be pretty awesome.

Aug 2nd, 2012, 8:53:42 PM	#47
CooltrainerAlan Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 41 Space Australia	Well, this metagame would be quite different from any other alternative metagames out there. I could Imagine it now. How does this sound for Scizor? Substitute Roost Swords Dance Bullet Punch Bug Bite Superpower Seems pretty powerful. Also, Baton Pass gets a lot more options and can pass different things. Something Like SD/Tail Glow/Agility/Bulk Up/Calm Mind/ Baton Pass Smeargle. seems kind of gimmicky though. __________________ White FC: 3096-1266-5731 VGC

Aug 2nd, 2012, 8:59:40 PM	#48
VaporeonIce Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 195	Why would you use that Smeargle when there are strictly superior versions of three of the moves (Shift Gear > Agility, Coil > Bulk Up, Quiver Dance > Calm Mind), and none of them are as good as Shell Smash?

Aug 2nd, 2012, 9:03:36 PM	#49
CooltrainerAlan Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 41 Space Australia	I guess I wasn't thinking about the other boost moves. Good idea! __________________ White FC: 3096-1266-5731 VGC

Aug 4th, 2012, 10:28:36 AM	#50
shstakvchlvr Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 78 Florida	I wonder if things like TormentTran could function here since it wouldn't have to choose between Toxic, Lava Plume, Taunt, Protect, Sub, and Torment. Also could try TormentScor with the same set except for EQ over Lava Plume.