Tyraniboah Kills: A Bulky Offense Team.

pwnage77 · Aug 5th, 2012, 4:15:58 AM

Hey guys I haven't made a decent OU team for like months. I'm not saying this one's decent but hey, it's still good. It's sort of a balanced bulky offense. Since this team is slow, i need you guys to tell me how to counter fast sweepers. My main problem is Infernape since it can smack my whole team with powerful moves and leave dents if i manage to kill it.

And so without further ado, here's the team.

Tyraniboah Kills: A Bulky Offense Team

Heatran@Air Balloon
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Modest
~ Fire Blast
~ Earth Power
~ Hidden Power [Ice]
~ Stealth Rock

Here's one of the most underrated sets in history, Balloon Heatran. To me, this is probably the most useful set that Heatran can run allowing it to be a support and offensive Pokemon at the same time. I'm a conservative player and if you're like me, then you can preserve Air Balloon for at least half the match. Heatran is my main killer in the team packing raw offensive power that can decimate even some resists. I chose Modest over Timid as I see no point running timid since Heatran is slow. The moves that I chose give me all the coverage I need to get rid of all the things that can wall my Tyranitar. Earth Power is for opposing Heatran.

Reuniclus@Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Nature: Bold
~ Calm Mind
~ Recover
~ Psyshock
~ Focus Blast

Reuniclus is my main counter to Stall Teams and is my late game sweeper. After a few Calm Minds, barely anything can touch me on the special side. Heatran also provides a good support to Reuniclus getting rid of Scizor while Reuniclus gets rid of the blobs. I chose Psyshock over Psychic to win CM wars although sometimes I regret not going for Psychic since Conkeldurr is such a huge threat to my team once Gliscor is down. Focus Blast for opposing Tyranitar and other Steel-types.

Tyranitar@Leftovers
Trait: Sand Stream
EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 176 SpA / 20 Spe
Nature: Quiet
~ Substitute
~ Focus Punch
~ Crunch
~ Ice Beam

And here we go. The Pokemon in which this team is built around. SubPuncher Tyranitar. With the chosen moves, I can hit a lot of Pokemon and dent everything else with Focus Punch. Tyranitar's substitutes are bulky and can survive weak attacks allowing me to use Focus Punch with impunity. Substitute isn't just there for Focus Punching. It is also there to protect me from burns and poison. I don't really mind being paralyzed since Tar is already slow. Also, this set can get rid of Wobbuffet since Tar is immune to Mirror Coat and I can just spam Ice Beam.

Gliscor@Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 Spe
Nature: Impish
~ Earthquake
~ Ice Fang
~ Protect
~ Swords Dance

Most of my teams really can't work without either Gliscor or Scizor -.- Terrakion is such a huge threat that I always have to pack a counter or else I get swept. Gliscor is chosen for this team since I have three ground weak Pokemon and two fighting weak Pokemon all of which Gliscor can take all day. I used the standard SD set so that I can get rid of Bulk Up Conkeldurr which is a threat to the team as well.

Keldeo@Choice Scarf
Ability: Justified
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Nature: Timid
~ Hydro Pump
~ Secret Sword
~ Hidden Power Electric
~ Surf

I had to replace Suicune 'cause I needed a revenge killer and a +1 Gyarados check. I also needed a late game cleaner and Keldeo seems to be able to perform all of these. Keldeo is also a good check against opposing sand teams as Gliscor can't take on a Landorus thanks to the risk of HP Ice. As for the other moves, Hydro Pump and Secret Sword are general. Surf is chosen for the last move to clean up late game and for having a reliable STAB that doesn't miss which is sometimes crucial. This set is walled by Lati@s but I have Tar to threaten them out.

Gastrodon@Leftovers
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Nature: Sassy
~ Earthquake
~ Scald
~ Toxic
~ Recover

GASTRODON !!! The best wall against Rotom-W. This is also my best check against Rain Teams and Thundurus. Though sometimes Gastrodon is just death fodder (it's not bulky if you look into it), it's not much of a dead weight to the team since Gastrodon performs a really good job at what it does. Not much to say since moves are standard.

Conclusion

Like I said, fast and strong Pokemon pose a huge threat to this team. I have replaced Jirachi with a Suicune then Keldeo to deal with the threats but I still have trouble against solid stall teams. That's pretty much it. Thanks for reading and leave nice rates. I would appreciate it if you guys would post an actual rate instead of just saying "nice team" though saying that still makes me feel proud of what I've done. A Luvdisc is also nice ;)

Threat List

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Oh Captain · Aug 5th, 2012, 4:56:29 AM

perhaps in place of jirachi you could use the standard Choicescarf Landorus? Or Landorus T.

Hes fast enough to KO alot of set up sweepers. He KOS infernape, Volcarona, Terrakion, salamence, And sooo many more pokes. However using him means your weak to Ice shards from mamo and HP ice from Tornadus again.

Perhaps switch Gliscor for Standard spiking skarmory, And set up spikes.
This would form the Heatran, Gastro, Skarm core. When played right its nearly unbreakable or at least very very solid. And i feel being bulky offense hazards might do you some good, and weaken those fast frail mons as they scramble to break your core.

Overall nice team.

PS: Lando can abuse the sand well.

Shining Latios · Aug 5th, 2012, 5:15:41 AM

Nice team dude. However, as you mentioned, Infernape is rather annoying. Surprisingly, Hitmontop is a good counter and can fit your team well as it has pretty good synergy with Tyranitar and Reuniclus. I suggest replacing Gliscor with Hitmontop. With access to Intimidate, Hitmontop can lower opposing Infernape and Terrakion's attack stat making it easier for Hitmontop to take the hit. Hitmontop can come in on any of Infernape's attacks and not be OHKO'd. Then, just use Fake Out since it has +3 priority and then finish Nape off with Mach Punch. Same thing with Terrakion. TechniTop would be the set to use as you need the attack damage to be able to kill Infernape.

Hitmontop

The last move really depends on what you want to hit, but 3 priority attacks can actually really help you out. Sucker Punch can eliminate Celebi and the Lati twins who are pretty common switch ins. Hope I helped dude.

pwnage77 · Aug 5th, 2012, 5:51:14 AM

you guys are missing the point here. I need Gliscor in this team as I have no ground immunity and the ability to take on Terrakion.

@Oh Captain: Landorus can't take too much Close Combats even though it's resisted.

@Shining Latios: This is going to be a hard choice but then I'd have to take a lot of damage if i'm going to use Hitmontop thanks to sandstorm. I'll be replacing Jirachi and see if it works. BTW, intimidate sorta defeats the purpose of TechniTop. I'll go for Technician

EDIT: It doesn't work much :/

Oh Captain · Aug 5th, 2012, 6:02:59 AM

I suggested Skarmory in place of gliscor.
Landorus in place of Jirachi...O_o
Skarm doesnt get hit by ground, and can indeed take a few CCs.

pwnage77 · Aug 5th, 2012, 6:44:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Oh Captain

I suggested Skarmory in place of gliscor.
Landorus in place of Jirachi...O_o
Skarm doesnt get hit by ground, and can indeed take a few CCs.

yea sure Skarm can take CCs but not from a Choice Band Terrakion. 2HKO with or without Stealth Rock including Leftovers recovery. It does this much 50.59 - 59.58%

Stone Edge does 82.75 - 97.8% to Landorus while it only does 44.63 - 52.54% to Gliscor

Oh Captain · Aug 5th, 2012, 6:56:08 AM

You also have reuniclus who can take a cc from any terrakion.
But if you llike gliscor that much by all means keep him.

i only suggested landorus over rachi because you said your team was slow.
he is fast and abuses sand.

Thought if you needed speed thats a way to go.

pwnage77 · Aug 5th, 2012, 7:05:20 AM

Perhaps you could suggest something else? Landorus sure is strong if in the sand (effectively stronger that Landorus-T thanks to higher SpA and Spe) but then I'll lose a lot.

Oh Captain · Aug 5th, 2012, 7:08:47 AM

Might seem a bit unorthodox but a set i've used in the past to some success was

Gliscor @ Flight gem
Sand veil

Swords dance
EQ
Acrobatics
Rock Polish

I went RP over sub because more often then not you can catch a frail scarfer off guard and get a suprise KO, and with sandviel hax in play its not that hard to double dance.

Flying ground is also great coverage resisted only by flying dragons, or bronzong really
I dunno, might wanna mess with it, you could always use sub over RP if you want something safer

pwnage77 · Aug 5th, 2012, 7:10:21 AM

i'll try that one out.

EDIT:

oh yeah one problem. Terrakion. CB Stone Edge will now 2HKO.

It doesn't work as expected :/

Shining Latios · Aug 5th, 2012, 12:20:32 PM

Hm. Maybe you could try CroCune? It handles Infernape really well if it doesn't carry Grass Knot. A Banded Close Combat from Terrakion is a problem though. Dusclops can be a option. It walls Terrakion pretty good. If you want to try them out, here are the sets:

Suicune

Infernape vs Suicune Calculations

Terrakion vs Suicune Calculations

Dusclops

pwnage77 · Aug 5th, 2012, 8:30:21 PM

i'll try out crocune

EDIT: It works fine so far. It's a good check to rain teams :P

iamQmai · Aug 5th, 2012, 8:36:40 PM

Have you thought of having a semi trick room team? Reuniclus could be Trick Room/Psychic/Focus Blast/Shadow Ball. Then you could bring a ghost type like Cofagrigus or Dusclops to also set up TR. Someone who's actually better than me could probably give you sets, but i'll just give you an idea of TR.

pwnage77 · Aug 5th, 2012, 8:49:38 PM

nah Reuniclus is just fine as it is. I'd lose to Scizor if I go for TR

Wildfire · Aug 5th, 2012, 9:03:30 PM

For the ttar, if you want an extra 20 evs, change its nature to modest and change the ivs to 19. Should be around the same speed of 146. Unless the ttar is supposed to be 0 ivs. Then you can still change the ivs and relocate the evs.

pwnage77 · Aug 5th, 2012, 9:10:17 PM

Modest Nature defeats the purpose of a SubPuncher. It reduces attack in case you didn't know. I just copied the speed EVs from the Smogon StrategyDex and I believe it is there to outspeed some slower walls and substitute before they can status.

Wildfire · Aug 5th, 2012, 9:15:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat pwnage77

Modest Nature defeats the purpose of a SubPuncher. It reduces attack in case you didn't know. I just copied the speed EVs from the Smogon StrategyDex and I believe it is there to outspeed some slower walls and substitute before they can status.

oh woops forgot. XD
I overlooked the mix set since I'm so used to vgc which is straight forward.

pwnage77 · Aug 5th, 2012, 9:37:09 PM

i guess you should look into the sets before posting anything

Shining Latios · Aug 6th, 2012, 1:28:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat pwnage77

i'll try out crocune

EDIT: It works fine so far. It's a good check to rain teams :P

That's good, glad I could help.

pwnage77 · Aug 6th, 2012, 7:13:33 AM

thanks for the suggestion.

currently, I'm testing SubSplit Gengar. It works fine so far and I replaced Reuniclus since Suicune already performs the same role as Reuniclus. Any suggestions?

EDIT:

gonna update threat list. Stay tuned

pwnage77 · Aug 7th, 2012, 11:32:55 AM

bump. changes made

Aug 5th, 2012, 4:15:58 AM	#1
pwnage77 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 251 Philippines	Tyraniboah Kills: A Bulky Offense Team. Hey guys I haven't made a decent OU team for like months. I'm not saying this one's decent but hey, it's still good. It's sort of a balanced bulky offense. Since this team is slow, i need you guys to tell me how to counter fast sweepers. My main problem is Infernape since it can smack my whole team with powerful moves and leave dents if i manage to kill it. And so without further ado, here's the team. Tyraniboah Kills: A Bulky Offense Team Heatran@Air Balloon Ability: Flash Fire EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Nature: Modest ~ Fire Blast ~ Earth Power ~ Hidden Power [Ice] ~ Stealth Rock Here's one of the most underrated sets in history, Balloon Heatran. To me, this is probably the most useful set that Heatran can run allowing it to be a support and offensive Pokemon at the same time. I'm a conservative player and if you're like me, then you can preserve Air Balloon for at least half the match. Heatran is my main killer in the team packing raw offensive power that can decimate even some resists. I chose Modest over Timid as I see no point running timid since Heatran is slow. The moves that I chose give me all the coverage I need to get rid of all the things that can wall my Tyranitar. Earth Power is for opposing Heatran. Reuniclus@Leftovers Ability: Magic Guard EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD Nature: Bold ~ Calm Mind ~ Recover ~ Psyshock ~ Focus Blast Reuniclus is my main counter to Stall Teams and is my late game sweeper. After a few Calm Minds, barely anything can touch me on the special side. Heatran also provides a good support to Reuniclus getting rid of Scizor while Reuniclus gets rid of the blobs. I chose Psyshock over Psychic to win CM wars although sometimes I regret not going for Psychic since Conkeldurr is such a huge threat to my team once Gliscor is down. Focus Blast for opposing Tyranitar and other Steel-types. Tyranitar@Leftovers Trait: Sand Stream EVs: 252 HP / 60 Atk / 176 SpA / 20 Spe Nature: Quiet ~ Substitute ~ Focus Punch ~ Crunch ~ Ice Beam And here we go. The Pokemon in which this team is built around. SubPuncher Tyranitar. With the chosen moves, I can hit a lot of Pokemon and dent everything else with Focus Punch. Tyranitar's substitutes are bulky and can survive weak attacks allowing me to use Focus Punch with impunity. Substitute isn't just there for Focus Punching. It is also there to protect me from burns and poison. I don't really mind being paralyzed since Tar is already slow. Also, this set can get rid of Wobbuffet since Tar is immune to Mirror Coat and I can just spam Ice Beam. Gliscor@Toxic Orb Ability: Poison Heal EVs: 252 HP / 180 Def / 76 Spe Nature: Impish ~ Earthquake ~ Ice Fang ~ Protect ~ Swords Dance Most of my teams really can't work without either Gliscor or Scizor -.- Terrakion is such a huge threat that I always have to pack a counter or else I get swept. Gliscor is chosen for this team since I have three ground weak Pokemon and two fighting weak Pokemon all of which Gliscor can take all day. I used the standard SD set so that I can get rid of Bulk Up Conkeldurr which is a threat to the team as well. Keldeo@Choice Scarf Ability: Justified EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe Nature: Timid ~ Hydro Pump ~ Secret Sword ~ Hidden Power Electric ~ Surf I had to replace Suicune 'cause I needed a revenge killer and a +1 Gyarados check. I also needed a late game cleaner and Keldeo seems to be able to perform all of these. Keldeo is also a good check against opposing sand teams as Gliscor can't take on a Landorus thanks to the risk of HP Ice. As for the other moves, Hydro Pump and Secret Sword are general. Surf is chosen for the last move to clean up late game and for having a reliable STAB that doesn't miss which is sometimes crucial. This set is walled by Lati@s but I have Tar to threaten them out. Gastrodon@Leftovers Ability: Storm Drain EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD Nature: Sassy ~ Earthquake ~ Scald ~ Toxic ~ Recover GASTRODON !!! The best wall against Rotom-W. This is also my best check against Rain Teams and Thundurus. Though sometimes Gastrodon is just death fodder (it's not bulky if you look into it), it's not much of a dead weight to the team since Gastrodon performs a really good job at what it does. Not much to say since moves are standard. Conclusion Like I said, fast and strong Pokemon pose a huge threat to this team. I have replaced Jirachi with a Suicune then Keldeo to deal with the threats but I still have trouble against solid stall teams. That's pretty much it. Thanks for reading and leave nice rates. I would appreciate it if you guys would post an actual rate instead of just saying "nice team" though saying that still makes me feel proud of what I've done. A Luvdisc is also nice ;) Threat List ... Tyranitar: Choice Band - Gliscor Choice Scarf - Gliscor, Suicune Dragon Dance - Cune Rotom-W: Choice Scarf / Specs - Gastrodon Support - Gastrodon Scizor: Choice Band - Gliscor Swords Dance - Cune Bulky Swords Dance - Cune Dragonite: Choice Band - Cune, Tran if locked to Earthquake Dragon Dance - Cune Mixed - Don't see this much Parashuffler - Heatran Rain Abuse - TTar Politoed: Choice Specs / Scarf - Gastrodon 3 Attacks - Gastrodon Heatran: Standard - My own Heatran Jirachi: Substitute + Calm Mind / Wish + Calm Mind - Gastrodon Expert Belt - Gastrodon, Heatran Choice Scarf - Heatran Latios: Life Orb / Expert Belt - TTar Choice Scarf / Specs - TTar Calm Mind - TTar Reuniclus: Calm Mind - TTar Offensive Trick Room - Cune Haxorus(Extremely Dangerous. Must get rid ASAP): Choice Scarf / Choice Band - Gliscor Dragon Dance - Gliscor, Cune Double Dance - Gliscor, Cune Ninetales: Nasty Plot - TTar Choice Specs - TTar Special Attacker - TTar Conkeldurr: Bulk Up - Gliscor (no Ice Punch), Cune Flame Orb + 3 Attacks - Gliscor, Cune Celebi: Nasty Plot Sweeper - Reuniclus, (Test Gengar) Tinkerbell - Reuniclus, (Test Gengar) Choice Specs / Choice Scarf - TTar Terrakion: Double Dance - Gliscor Choice Scarf / Choice Band - Gliscor Substitute + Swords Dance - Gliscor Gyarados: Offensive / Bulky Dragon Dance - Cune, Gastrodon Choice Band / Choice Scarf - Cune, Gastrodon Gengar: Substitute + Disable / Pain Split - Cune, Gastrodon Starmie: Life Orb - Gastrodon Rapid Spin - Gastrodon Choice Specs - Gastrodon Landorus: Rock Polish / Swords Dance - Cune Choice Scarf - Cune Substitute + 3 Attacks - Cune Infernape(FUCKED UP DANGEROUS): Mixed Attacker - Cune, Reuniclus to an extent Nasty Plot / Swords Dance Booster - Cune Choice Band - Cune Volcarona(AS DANGEROUS AS APE): Offensive Quiver Dance - Heatran, Cune Bulky Quiver Dance - Cune Chesto Rest - Cune Substitute - Cune Magnezone: Substitute - TTar Choice Scarf / Choice Specs - Gastrodon Espeon: Calm Mind - TTar Bulky Sun Attacker / Passer - TTar Salamence: Dragon Dance - Heatran Mixed - Heatran Defensive - Gliscor Choice Scarf / Choice Band - Gliscor Hydreigon: Offensive - TTar Choice Specs / Choice Scarf - TTar Substitute - TTar Breloom: Bulk Up - Gliscor Sub Seed - Gliscor, Reuniclus Sub Punch - Reuniclus Technician(CAN SCREW ME UP) - pretty much nothing D: suggestions? Latias: Calm Mind - TTar Offensive Tank - TTar Choice Specs - TTar Toxicroak: Swords Dance - Gliscor Bulk Up - Gliscor Lucario: Swords Dance - Gliscor if no Ice Punch, otherwise Cune and Reuniclus Nasty Plot - Cune Venusaur: Special Growth - Switch to TTar to get rid of the sun then Reuniclus Mixed Growth - ^ SubSeed - ^ Totally Reuniclus (Magic Guard yea) Metagross: Stealth Rock - Gliscor Choice Scarf / Choice Band - Gliscor Agility - Cune Cloyster: Shell Smash - Cune Utility - Cune Mamoswine: Physical Attacker - Cune Focus Sash + Endeavor - Cune Darmanitan: Choice Scarf / Choice Band - Cune lol Tornadus: Rain Abuser - TTar Choice Specs - TTar Abomasnow: Choice Scarf - Heatran SubSeed - Heatran Mixed Attacker - Heatran Alakazam: Substitute + 3 Attacks - Cune, Gastrodon Offensive Calm Mind - Gastrodon Focus Sash - Gastrodon Azumarill: Choice Band - Gastrodon Deoxys-D: Fast Spiker - Tyranitar Dugtrio: Focus Sash - Gliscor Choice Band - Gliscor Stoutland: Choice Band - Gliscor Smeargle: Baton Pass - Test Gengar Sharpedo: Speed Boost - Cune __________________ If Slaking gets another ability other than Truant(and Slow Start), it would be Uber with that monstrous stats. Last edited by pwnage77; Aug 7th, 2012 at 11:32:15 AM.

Aug 5th, 2012, 4:56:29 AM	#2
Oh Captain Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 36 The Seven Seas	perhaps in place of jirachi you could use the standard Choicescarf Landorus? Or Landorus T. Hes fast enough to KO alot of set up sweepers. He KOS infernape, Volcarona, Terrakion, salamence, And sooo many more pokes. However using him means your weak to Ice shards from mamo and HP ice from Tornadus again. Perhaps switch Gliscor for Standard spiking skarmory, And set up spikes. This would form the Heatran, Gastro, Skarm core. When played right its nearly unbreakable or at least very very solid. And i feel being bulky offense hazards might do you some good, and weaken those fast frail mons as they scramble to break your core. Overall nice team. PS: Lando can abuse the sand well. __________________ Ahoy mates! Scrub those decks!

Aug 5th, 2012, 5:15:41 AM	#3
Shining Latios Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,311	Nice team dude. However, as you mentioned, Infernape is rather annoying. Surprisingly, Hitmontop is a good counter and can fit your team well as it has pretty good synergy with Tyranitar and Reuniclus. I suggest replacing Gliscor with Hitmontop. With access to Intimidate, Hitmontop can lower opposing Infernape and Terrakion's attack stat making it easier for Hitmontop to take the hit. Hitmontop can come in on any of Infernape's attacks and not be OHKO'd. Then, just use Fake Out since it has +3 priority and then finish Nape off with Mach Punch. Same thing with Terrakion. TechniTop would be the set to use as you need the attack damage to be able to kill Infernape. Hitmontop Hitmontop @ Life Orb Ability: Intimidate EVs: 252 HP / 252 Attack / 4 Defense Moves: - Fake Out - Mach Punch - Close Combat - Sucker Punch / Stone Edge The last move really depends on what you want to hit, but 3 priority attacks can actually really help you out. Sucker Punch can eliminate Celebi and the Lati twins who are pretty common switch ins. Hope I helped dude.

Aug 5th, 2012, 5:51:14 AM	#4
pwnage77 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 251 Philippines	you guys are missing the point here. I need Gliscor in this team as I have no ground immunity and the ability to take on Terrakion. @Oh Captain: Landorus can't take too much Close Combats even though it's resisted. @Shining Latios: This is going to be a hard choice but then I'd have to take a lot of damage if i'm going to use Hitmontop thanks to sandstorm. I'll be replacing Jirachi and see if it works. BTW, intimidate sorta defeats the purpose of TechniTop. I'll go for Technician EDIT: It doesn't work much :/ __________________ If Slaking gets another ability other than Truant(and Slow Start), it would be Uber with that monstrous stats.

Aug 5th, 2012, 6:02:59 AM	#5
Oh Captain Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 36 The Seven Seas	I suggested Skarmory in place of gliscor. Landorus in place of Jirachi...O_o Skarm doesnt get hit by ground, and can indeed take a few CCs. __________________ Ahoy mates! Scrub those decks!

Aug 5th, 2012, 6:56:08 AM	#7
Oh Captain Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 36 The Seven Seas	You also have reuniclus who can take a cc from any terrakion. But if you llike gliscor that much by all means keep him. i only suggested landorus over rachi because you said your team was slow. he is fast and abuses sand. Thought if you needed speed thats a way to go. __________________ Ahoy mates! Scrub those decks!

Aug 5th, 2012, 7:05:20 AM	#8
pwnage77 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 251 Philippines	Perhaps you could suggest something else? Landorus sure is strong if in the sand (effectively stronger that Landorus-T thanks to higher SpA and Spe) but then I'll lose a lot. __________________ If Slaking gets another ability other than Truant(and Slow Start), it would be Uber with that monstrous stats.

Aug 5th, 2012, 7:08:47 AM	#9
Oh Captain Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 36 The Seven Seas	Might seem a bit unorthodox but a set i've used in the past to some success was Gliscor @ Flight gem Sand veil Swords dance EQ Acrobatics Rock Polish I went RP over sub because more often then not you can catch a frail scarfer off guard and get a suprise KO, and with sandviel hax in play its not that hard to double dance. Flying ground is also great coverage resisted only by flying dragons, or bronzong really I dunno, might wanna mess with it, you could always use sub over RP if you want something safer __________________ Ahoy mates! Scrub those decks!

Aug 5th, 2012, 7:10:21 AM	#10
pwnage77 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 251 Philippines	i'll try that one out. EDIT: oh yeah one problem. Terrakion. CB Stone Edge will now 2HKO. It doesn't work as expected :/ __________________ If Slaking gets another ability other than Truant(and Slow Start), it would be Uber with that monstrous stats. Last edited by pwnage77; Aug 5th, 2012 at 8:38:36 AM.

Aug 5th, 2012, 12:20:32 PM	#11
Shining Latios Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 1,311	Hm. Maybe you could try CroCune? It handles Infernape really well if it doesn't carry Grass Knot. A Banded Close Combat from Terrakion is a problem though. Dusclops can be a option. It walls Terrakion pretty good. If you want to try them out, here are the sets: Suicune Suicune @ Leftovers EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Special Defense Bold Nature Moves: - Calm Mind - Scald - Rest - Sleep Talk Infernape vs Suicune Calculations Unboosted, no Stealth Rock Mixed Attacker U-turn: 13.86 - 16.58% Stone Edge: 19.55 - 23.26% Overheat: 22.02 - 25.99% Close Combat: 35.64 - 41.83% Choice Band U-turn: 15.84 - 18.81% Flare Blitz: 20.29 - 24% Stone Edge: 22.77 - 26.98% Close Combat: 40.84 - 48.26% Swords Dance Fire Punch: 11.13 - 13.11% Stone Edge: 19.55 - 23.26% Close Combat: 35.64 - 41.83% Nasty Plot Fire Blast: 23.76 - 28.21% Focus Blast: 47.77 - 56.43% Grass Knot: 52.97 - 62.87% Choice Scarf Fire Blast: 16.83 - 20.04% HP Ice: 6.43 - 7.67% U-turn: 9.65 - 11.38% Fire Blast: 16.83 - 20.04% Close Combat: 24 - 28.46% Terrakion vs Suicune Calculations Unboosted, no Stealth Rock Choice Band X-Scissor: 21.03 - 25% Sacred Sword: 35.64 - 42.32% Stone Edge: 39.6 - 46.78% Close Combat: 47.52 - 55.94% Choice Scarf Stone Edge: 26.73 - 31.43% X-Scissor: 14.1 - 16.83% Rock Slide: 20.04 - 23.76% Stone Edge: 26.73 - 31.43% Close Combat: 31.43 - 37.37% Dusclops Dusclops @ Eviolite EVs: 252 HP / 252 Defense / 4 Special Defense Bold Nature Moves: - Will-o-Wisp - Night Shade - Pain Split - Seismic Toss Last edited by Shining Latios; Aug 5th, 2012 at 12:47:19 PM.

Aug 5th, 2012, 8:30:21 PM	#12
pwnage77 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 251 Philippines	i'll try out crocune EDIT: It works fine so far. It's a good check to rain teams :P __________________ If Slaking gets another ability other than Truant(and Slow Start), it would be Uber with that monstrous stats.

Aug 5th, 2012, 8:36:40 PM	#13
iamQmai Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 46	Have you thought of having a semi trick room team? Reuniclus could be Trick Room/Psychic/Focus Blast/Shadow Ball. Then you could bring a ghost type like Cofagrigus or Dusclops to also set up TR. Someone who's actually better than me could probably give you sets, but i'll just give you an idea of TR. __________________ Pokemon Silver LP - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA7B40C15B161BB9D Going to play through: Pokemon Green (Not leaf) (scramble) Pokemon RSE Nuzlocke.

Aug 5th, 2012, 8:49:38 PM	#14
pwnage77 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 251 Philippines	nah Reuniclus is just fine as it is. I'd lose to Scizor if I go for TR __________________ If Slaking gets another ability other than Truant(and Slow Start), it would be Uber with that monstrous stats.

Aug 5th, 2012, 9:03:30 PM	#15
Wildfire Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 374 Where the sidewalk ends.	For the ttar, if you want an extra 20 evs, change its nature to modest and change the ivs to 19. Should be around the same speed of 146. Unless the ttar is supposed to be 0 ivs. Then you can still change the ivs and relocate the evs. __________________ http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...12#post2926712 Trade thread ^ Current trade thread w/ generation 5: http://www.smogon.com/forums/group.p...cussionid=3114 Stop complaining about hax people :/

Aug 5th, 2012, 9:10:17 PM	#16
pwnage77 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 251 Philippines	Modest Nature defeats the purpose of a SubPuncher. It reduces attack in case you didn't know. I just copied the speed EVs from the Smogon StrategyDex and I believe it is there to outspeed some slower walls and substitute before they can status. __________________ If Slaking gets another ability other than Truant(and Slow Start), it would be Uber with that monstrous stats.

Aug 5th, 2012, 9:37:09 PM	#18
pwnage77 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 251 Philippines	i guess you should look into the sets before posting anything __________________ If Slaking gets another ability other than Truant(and Slow Start), it would be Uber with that monstrous stats.

Aug 6th, 2012, 7:13:33 AM	#20
pwnage77 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 251 Philippines	thanks for the suggestion. currently, I'm testing SubSplit Gengar. It works fine so far and I replaced Reuniclus since Suicune already performs the same role as Reuniclus. Any suggestions? EDIT: gonna update threat list. Stay tuned __________________ If Slaking gets another ability other than Truant(and Slow Start), it would be Uber with that monstrous stats.

Aug 7th, 2012, 11:32:55 AM	#21
pwnage77 Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 251 Philippines	bump. changes made __________________ If Slaking gets another ability other than Truant(and Slow Start), it would be Uber with that monstrous stats.