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Aug 1st, 2012, 9:40:48 PM
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i wanna dedicate this song to all the lettuce out there
     
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As always, big ups to Antar for providing these!
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I'll edit more stuff in as he adds it to the main thread.
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Aug 1st, 2012, 10:04:47 PM
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| 1 | Roserade | 13041 | 21.003% | 8239 | 20.576% |
Par for the course in UU. Even with monsters like Scrafty and Mienshao in the tier, Roserade keeps her supereme authoritah. | 2 | Heracross | 11217 | 18.065% | 7036 | 17.571% | | 3 | Chandelure | 11140 | 17.941% | 7357 | 18.373% | Looks like HeraBoss trumps Chandelure off its Number Two slot. This is actually surprising. | 8 | Mienshao | 8681 | 13.981% | 5660 | 14.135% | | 9 | Scrafty | 8261 | 13.304% | 5280 | 13.186% | They're not only top 10 'mons, but also right next to each other. Acceptable, since they're still fairly new to UU. | 23 | Ambipom | 5753 | 9.265% | 4094 | 10.224% | *shakes his head* Mienshao makes Ambipom obsolete as a hit-and-run attacker for many transparent reasons. He's still being used frequently in UU...why? | 43 | Froslass | 3672 | 5.914% | 2602 | 6.498% | | 44 | Porygon-Z | 3628 | 5.843% | 2469 | 6.166% | | 45 | Krookodile | 3496 | 5.630% | 2279 | 5.692% | | 47 | Weavile | 3480 | 5.605% | 2403 | 6.001% | | 48 | Mismagius | 3325 | 5.355% | 2217 | 5.537% | | 49 | Sharpedo | 3324 | 5.353% | 1826 | 4.560% | | 50 | Houndoom | 2982 | 4.803% | 1937 | 4.837% | | 51 | Cofagrigus | 2605 | 4.195% | 1678 | 4.191% | | 52 | Bisharp | 2440 | 3.930% | 1605 | 4.008% | Okay. There's a problem when almost all of these Pokemon, who reasonably counter/check Chandelure (and Roserade, admittedly), are being used less than Ambipom, Claydol, Milotic, and Machamp. I can probably vouch for Claydol being a multi-purpose Pokemon, but Ambipom, Milotic, and Machamp are essentially unnecessary in UU, as multiple other Pokes of the same attribute and more outclass each of them. EDIT I: | 122 | Stoutland | 280 | 0.451% | 192 | 0.479% | Woah. ... ... I thought Stoutland was still good? I mean, it gets Superpower. And it's a good Pokemon nevertheless. Sure as hell better than Dusclops at any rate. Excuse me for a moment while I think up a good team for Stoutland in UU. Last edited by /B/utterfree; Aug 4th, 2012 at 4:08:29 AM. Reason: Fixed the post so it looks more professional. |
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Aug 1st, 2012, 10:42:40 PM
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Looks like my prediction for Heracross as #1 is coming true. Truth be told, nothing really counters him besides Gligar, Dusclops, and Cofagrigus. Your mileage may vary on how effective any of the three are in this current metagame.
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Aug 1st, 2012, 11:07:28 PM
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Something needs to displace Roserade now. I want to see something else in the top spot. Rather shocked in seeing the likes of Cofagrigus and Porygon-Z so low.
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Aug 1st, 2012, 11:18:46 PM
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Aug 1st, 2012, 11:34:33 PM
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I'm sad Qwilfish isn't higher up... Qwil is an excellent fighting and fire fire wall (especially against Heracross) that also spreads status, via TW, or has such ease with bulky tanks (usually Lax) on setting up spikes.
Hera doesn't really surprise me Moxie is such a dangerous ability on that thing so you're usually scrambling to make sure he doesn't get that first kill, with both his STABS hitting much harder along with a higher Atk than Dile. Another thing about Hera is with the rising popularity of Moxie distinguishing between Moxie and Guts is a serious pain. There are players out there that bluff Moxie inviting status, usually WoW, and you end up playing into that bluff quite easily and watch him demolish things with Facade or his STABS boosted by Guts :(. |
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Aug 2nd, 2012, 12:57:35 AM
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Furthermore, this is the list of OU Pokemon that were below 3.41% usage this month. Essentially, these guys are on the shortlist for relegation to UU: 1. Hippowdon (though Sand Force only) 2. Abomasnow (though Soundproof only) 3. Mew 4. Virizion 5. Tornadus And these UU Pokemon make up the shortlist for jumping up to OU in October. 1. Amoonguss Dang, that's a short list! :P
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Aug 2nd, 2012, 3:04:14 AM
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Roserade deserves that #1 spot however I feel that Heracross will take that spot in coming time. You really need to pack something to handle Scarf MoxieCross and not let that die.
Also Ambipom is #23, why? It's garbage that's completely outclassed by MienShao and should be put into NU. I suppose good players use it so they can start the match off 5-6 to humiliate their opponent. Flygon is at a reasonable spot as well though I feel more people need to try out the CB set. It's honestly a lot better then the Scarf set (which isn't awful by any means) if you predict well. MienShao and Scrafty are doing good, DDScrafty is a monster if played right. Also don't use Fake Out on MienShao, please don't ;_; Also how in the hell is Kingdra #17? One of the best offensive threats in UU (along with Raikou/Chandulure) is dropping into the bottom #25? It's versatility combined with it's ability to setup on half of UU makes it's a major asset to any team. Makes me sad. Though with it becoming a suspect I can see it rising in usage by leaps and bounds. Also good to see Victini getting some love, CB V-Create is simply delicious. Last edited by Frozen Fate; Aug 2nd, 2012 at 3:33:40 AM. |
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Aug 2nd, 2012, 3:43:59 AM
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The most worrying thing about these statistics is that Ambipom has risen like 16 spots(I checked the main statistics on the OU thread). Why it is this high is beyond me, but Mienshao just got released. So please, stop using it-it really really sucks.
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Aug 2nd, 2012, 5:58:53 AM
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Then after that when you consider the most offensive mons are scarved or sitting at 115 speed tier *cough*Raikou*cough* the best way to check them is smack them with a obscenely powerful Fake Out and run. This is something Mienshao can not do since its Fake Out does pittance damage. Quote:
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UU is currently full of offense who can setup and still mess you up without setting up or Specs, Kingdra is simply good and all round in that respect but he has competition. Quote:
Most of these guys have issues, Froslass is still a major troll but is mainly only used as a suicide setup. Pory-Z is kinda outclassed as a nuke and special attacker, Krook's been outclassed by Heracross as a Scarf user. Dusclop's just invites too many nasties in, Weavile and Sharpedo can't even get into the game most of the time. As a special attacker Mismagius is horribly outclassed, Bisharp is basically weak to 2 of the best offensive types in the whole of Gen 5. Quote:
Your only choices are to run hyper offensive so they never get the time to take effect, have god prediction w/ Xatu or Taunt on half your team. For the rest who don't do any of these you run Rapid Spin and your choices are the highly redundant bulky water Blastoise, a redundant fighter Hitmontop and a slightly broken clay pot. This is vs just about everything and their mother who can throw out a hazard while still battering your face in.
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Aug 3rd, 2012, 3:47:47 AM
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HO is not the only viable playstyle. Using two special walls on a stall team is never a bad idea, and with two layers of spikes and SR Chandelure has very few times to come in(3 at the most)-while Heracross is easily countered by many common stall mons like Qwilfish and Cofagrigus. Sure, a stall breaker goes a long way in solving this, but stall teams are still hugely effective. Raikou and Kingdra are both very big threats that's for sure-but aren't uncounterable by any means-Raikou can often be countered by a common stall mon in Snorlax.
Also, why use Ambipom's Fake Out when you could use Scarf Mienshao's Hi Jump Kick? That is much more unexpected-and Mienshao is better in every way. Very good to see that Blastoise is above Hitmontop now though. Blastoise is by far the best spinner in the tier-and now people are starting to realise that. |
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Aug 9th, 2012, 9:00:41 PM
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Empoleon needs to be higher... try Sub Petya guys.
Also, Machamp at #40 is odd, considering he was OU before the tier rotation before the last... Oh well, completely different meta.
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Aug 23rd, 2012, 12:59:46 PM
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2. Mienshao does it better. 3. Stall is sure as hell viable because there are good utility walls in UU, an abundance of hazards with few spinners (who are all nonthreatening), and really good underrated walls. Check out my RMT on UU stall, it's VERY viable. Balanced is just as much so because a few walls give you pivots to abuse good offense. |
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Aug 23rd, 2012, 6:13:41 PM
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Really unfortunate that there are so many good spikes users but not many commonly used spinners. The time may be right to construct a UU stall team.
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Aug 26th, 2012, 8:28:48 AM
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Yes, but Blastoise beats all the common spinners. Mind you, stall has always been a very successful playstyle, and with all your hazards up then Blastoise is going to be taken down very quickly.
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