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| Deoxys-A |
  
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1 | 12.50% |
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Jun 29th, 2012, 4:45:30 PM
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Jul 1st, 2012, 2:10:17 PM
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No SR makes me want to cry, but I'll do my part in playing the team.
If I ever play it for real I'm using Support Groudon though. |
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Jul 1st, 2012, 2:28:33 PM
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Jul 3rd, 2012, 10:06:21 PM
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I don't get it.
NPRai with Dark Pulse/Focus Blast outspeeds and derps on everyone. For that to happen to a non-stall team is kinda sad. On a similar note, we have slight Mewtwo problems too, but I guess Waterceus in Sun does fine against that by Para'ing it. In general, for an offensive team, it's too slow to function IMO. I think we should Scarf Terrakion as a placeholder. Hell, I don't actually remember exploiting Sub or SD in any meaningful way during our playtesting, so at least with a Scarf we can avoid getting 6-0'd by Darkrai. Last edited by mtr; Jul 3rd, 2012 at 10:26:05 PM. |
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Jul 4th, 2012, 3:28:21 AM
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Aug 15th, 2012, 2:44:14 AM
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I dont know if anyone is still interested in this. I changed the team somewhat. Its been working well so far.
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If anyone wants to try it, feel free to do so. Any questions are welcome. |
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Aug 15th, 2012, 5:29:02 PM
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Seems like we are taking this to BW2 aren't we? Well, then the first obvious thing is Latias over Water Arceus. Latias obviously outclasses Arceus as she can take on ALL Kyogre variants. The addition of Soul Dew is also really really great. And then, I definitely agree that we put Choice Scarf on our Terrakion. Patches up Rayquaza and Extreme Killer weakness, while also putting Scarf Mence in check. Also deals better against Darkrai, which can be huge. Genesect might work here, but I am not too sure over who. We could switch it over Terrakion, but Terrakion checks Extreme Killer much better.
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Aug 15th, 2012, 6:29:04 PM
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Yea, so I've tested this team a while back, and I do agree using Scarfed Terrakion is WAYYYY better than using a Life Orb one. Also, while I haven't tried yet, using Latias is also another good idea, as it does keep Ogre in check better than Water Arceus. idk about Genesect yet if we add Scarfed Terrakion, but I'll give it a spin and come back w/ results
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Aug 16th, 2012, 12:00:17 AM
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P.S. I am not being defiant or anything. I am open to changes made to the team. EDIT: Log featuring my team in the "show" tag in my previous post. Notice that Water-Arceus walls Kyurem-W and provides paralysis support which latias isnt suited for:
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EDIT2: This team just beat the no 1 user on the PO ladder - Xclus|Zoro. Here is the replay followed by the log. http://pokemon.aesoft.org/replay-Shi...ivate356408326
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Sep 28th, 2012, 8:39:44 AM
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Okay guys. We have decided to give this CCAT one last chance, before the Clause Testing starts. We're not too far from finishing this, only the phaze of playtesting is left! Now let's keep it up, and finish what we started.
      This is the team right now, just to remind you guys. We are not allowed to have entry hazards of our own, and the team was built around Flame Charge Reshiram. There are plenty of things to discuss and weaknesses to fix before finalizing the team. |
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Oct 1st, 2012, 3:53:12 PM
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There are many problems with the team. I really don't know where to begin.
Lets start with Blaziken: It stacks type with Terrakion and Reshiram. It is as frail as a chicken. It doesnt help with defensive synergy. It is hard to set up with it. Blaziken is a better sweeper than Reshiram - isn't Reshiram supposed to be the main sweeper? I would just get rid of it. Blaziken was chosen by a hasty vote anyway. Mtr mentioned that the team is weak to DD Rayquaza, Mewtwo and Darkrai, right? So, with Blaziken not in the team anymore, I would like to add Genesect as our newest member. Genesect @ Choice Scarf Trait: Download EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd Naive Nature - U-turn - Flamethrower - Ice Beam - Bug Buzz/Explosion(Preferrably Explosion). Terrakion is the most consistent member. It always does its job. No changes needed here. An optional change could be Taunt>Substitute.(Substitute causes unneccessary health loss;we dont want that to happen to our Extremekiller check) Arceus Water needs Ice Beam. Mono-Grass Coverage sucks. It makes you a sitting duck. The speed needs to be bumped up to 56 to outspeed modest Kyurem-W. Xatu. Bad Ev Spread. 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SDef @Careful Nature works better. The evs allow it to survive a Darkrai's Dark Pulse. This is useful if I muipredict with Genesect and U-turn to Xatu as Darkrai uses Dark Pulse. Xatu can come back later in the match to reflect hazards one more time. The current spread dies to Dialga's Draco Meteor. My ev spread allows it to survive a support Dialga's Draco Meteor. Xatu's Moveset There is a problem with the moveset. It can only attack with U-turn, correct? Should Xatu be faster than the pokemon(Groudon, Dialga, Ferro, Forry) that use hazards, they can keep spamming hazards against Xatu and wait for it to switch out. Example - Groudon can keep spamming Stealth Rock against Xatu and throw out random Earthquakes/Stone Edge. With some luck, it should be able to get Stealth Rock up. I am not exactly sure about how to fix this problem. Groudon If we are reliant on weather, we should have a bulky weather inducer or an offensive one to hurt its common switch-ins which will help Reshiram to sweep later on. Groudon can't reliably come in on Thunder as special attacks do a large amount of damage to it. Why did we choose Paradancer Groudon? It does not work in practice. Paradancer Groudon is an outdated set. No speed creep *sigh*. Ho-Oh beats this easily. Loses vs Dialga leads. An offensive set with Toxic/Thunder Wave/Protect/Dragon Tail(for pokeon trying to set up) in the last slot does a better job. BTW no fire punch means that Ferrothorn ad Forretress get chances to set up hazards. This is turn puts pressure on Xatu. The opponent can also double switch to something that threatens Xatu. Finally Reshiram Mild Nature needs to go. Naive is the better option. Life Orb recoil sucks. Flame Plate is the better option - no recoil, scarf bluff. BTW Outrage doesnt do anything. It is quite weak. A -2 Draco Meteor does nearly the same damage as Outrage. Stone edge is a better option to hit Ho-Oh which can otherwise be a huge problem. Thats what the pokemon are like in actual battles. I am surprised that no one suggested Ho-Oh as a teammate. The team itself has several issues. For an offensive team, its not very offensive; the speed of the battles can often be sluggish. There was no way to beat the Giratina + Chansey +++teammates core even with a hundred double switches. Reshiram couldnt really get an oppurtunity to hurt Giratina as it kept on fleeing. Blaziken is the most useless member - I am surprised that people actually voted for it. After Reshiram died, Giratina would wall the team for all eternity. Roar is not an option on Blaziken as our team lack hazards. The team needs serious fixing. BTW dont suggest scarf Terrakion. Arceus will be able to sweep our team if that is done. I will add more about the team some other time. |
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 12:58:14 AM
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Having tested this team a bit last night upon Anikrahman1995's request, I have changed it such that it looks like this:
 Reshiram @ Flame Plate Trait: Turboblaze EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Naive Nature - Flame Charge - Stone Edge - Blue Flare - Draco Meteor  Groudon @ Leftovers Trait: Drought EVs: 200 HP / 200 Atk / 108 Def Adamant Nature - Swords Dance - Thunder Wave - Earthquake - Stone Edge  Arceus-Water @ Splash Plate Trait: Multitype EVs: 252 HP / 240 SDef / 16 Spd Calm Nature - Recover - Ice Beam - Thunder Wave - Roar  Xatu (M) @ Focus Sash Trait: Magic Bounce EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SDef Careful Nature (+SDef, -SAtk) - Haze - Night Shade - Roost - Toxic  Ho-Oh @ Life Orb Trait: Regenerator EVs: 236 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Spd Adamant Nature - Brave Bird - Roost - Sacred Fire - Substitute  Terrakion @ Life Orb Trait: Justified EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spd Jolly Nature - Substitute - Swords Dance - Stone Edge - Close Combat I changed the Xatu to my own set, Wisemon, which can indefinitely outstall most users of entry hazards and whittle them down with Night Shade, Toxic, or both. With Haze, this Xatu is the one and only perfect counter to Smeargle's Shell Smash + Baton Pass strategy, and it can also be a lifesaver in some desperate situations. I decided to replace Blaziken with Ho-Oh, as this very simple tweak changes this team from one that struggles immensely with Giratina, to one which completely laughs at it. While it certainly takes away from the uniqueness of this team, it is undeniable that the simple inclusion of a Ho-Oh effortlessly contributes to any Sun team both offensively and defensively, while Blaziken does nothing except add on to the team's Giratina weakness. And finally, I replaced Arceus-Water's Grass Knot with Ice Beam and changed Reshiram's moveset to my own Flame Charge set I made long ago, for the reasons Anikrahman1995 mentioned (Arceus-Water's Ice Beam also greatly helps against Rayquaza, a weakness of this team that I identified while testing it). Last edited by Pokémon Trainer R; Oct 2nd, 2012 at 5:41:45 AM. |
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Oct 6th, 2012, 6:33:21 PM
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I honestly support any of Anikrahman's changes. I played him a few times and the team works extremely well. That EV spread for Xatu is also really great. Taunt on Terrakion sounds quite interesting actually, as many Giratina nowadays run Roar, and it could give us an answer to SmashPass without giving up on Dual Screens. Stone Edge and Flame Plate sound like a good way to lure in and kill Ho-Oh, which can be very annoying. Flame Plate can bluff a Choice item if we are spamming Blue Flare and Draco Meteor, which is always great. And I definitely agree on getting rid of Grass Knot in favor of Ice Beam; Ice Beam can actually beat Dragons that can be problematic. Changing Groudon's moveset might be better too, as Skarmory and Ferrothorn can setup freely on it. Sure, we have Xatu, but if Stealth Rock do end up on our field, it won't be able to switch in all day long. And I think that Genesect is a better option than Ho-Oh, as it wins us momentum and can deal with the Lati twins outside of rain.
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