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Thadenvy · Aug 19th, 2012, 3:37:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Solace

Hitmontop is also beaten by Zapdos and Thundurus so yeah, that doesn't really fit his problem.

I see, I see. One zen headbutt/drill peck/hurricane is all it takes. Sorry about that, I didn't catch that part of his message.

**R Inanimate** · Aug 19th, 2012, 6:08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Thadenvy

I see, I see. One zen headbutt/drill peck/hurricane is all it takes. Sorry about that, I didn't catch that part of his message.

The problem with Zapdos and Thundurus is not really the flying attacks (since they will only have HP flying at best, and you surivive a hit), the problem is that Hitmontop can't do much damage to them as they'll easily shrug off your Close Combats and don't care about Intimidate. Besides, Thundurus can't learn Hurricane, and Zapdos never uses Drill Peck.

Misdreavus · Aug 19th, 2012, 10:37:57 PM

Is Thunder Wave still used on Thundurus on rain teams, or not due to Thunder's 30% paralysis rate?

**Solace*** · Aug 19th, 2012, 10:40:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Misdreavus

Is Thunder Wave still used on Thundurus on rain teams, or not due to Thunder's 30% paralysis rate?

Thunder Wave is still used since having priority paralysis rate 100% of the time is better than a non-priority paralysis rate 30% of the time.

Misdreavus · Aug 19th, 2012, 10:43:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Solace

Thunder Wave is still used since having priority paralysis rate 100% of the time is better than a non-priority paralysis rate 30% of the time.

Very true; I just wasn't sure if it was worth the moveslot or not.

Miltos · Aug 20th, 2012, 11:57:10 AM

Here's my question:can I use Drizzle Politoed in VGC 13?

Alakapimp · Aug 20th, 2012, 12:12:02 PM

Yes, anything legal in 12 is legal in 13

Drifblim · Aug 20th, 2012, 12:25:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Alakapimp

Yes, anything legal in 12 is legal in 13

Assuming we don't have a rule change by Winter Regs for only BW2 Dex, in which case Poli would not be legal.

Miltos · Aug 20th, 2012, 12:56:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Drifblim

Assuming we don't have a rule change by Winter Regs for only BW2 Dex, in which case Poli would not be legal.

Is something like that possible?Change the rules in the middle of the year?If yes,well I'll need to make a new team.

**Solace*** · Aug 20th, 2012, 1:02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Miltos

Is something like that possible?Change the rules in the middle of the year?If yes,well I'll need to make a new team.

Well, for the October regionals in the US, they're following the VGC 2012 format. We don't know how the rest of the VGC 2013 season will turn out though, but they could change the rules.

The Knights of Wario Land · Aug 20th, 2012, 1:03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Miltos

Is something like that possible?Change the rules in the middle of the year?If yes,well I'll need to make a new team.

They've done it with the TCG, so they can do it with the VGC.

Thadenvy · Aug 20th, 2012, 2:27:47 PM

It's good to make a backup/substitutes for your team members that aren't available in the B/W2 New Unova Dex, like I would choose Weavile to replace my Infernape as my Fake outter, or Ferrothorn for Cresselia, things like that. It's just in case of a rule change so you won't have to frantically make a new team hours before the competition like I did back in '10 and '11.

Miltos · Aug 20th, 2012, 3:31:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Thadenvy

It's good to make a backup/substitutes for your team members that aren't available in the B/W2 New Unova Dex, like I would choose Weavile to replace my Infernape as my Fake outter, or Ferrothorn for Cresselia, things like that. It's just in case of a rule change so you won't have to frantically make a new team hours before the competition like I did back in '10 and '11.

It's not easy to find a replacement for a Pokemon like Politoed,which means a complete chage to the team.

Xeno598 · Aug 20th, 2012, 4:58:06 PM

If I were to run a bulky Hydreigon on a Tailwind team, how much Speed should I invest to outrun certain threats?

Edit: Adding on that, I'm largely considering a HP Fighting spread, which would require a Speed IV of 30. Also, on that note, would a Fighting Gem HP Fighting KO a Non-Chople Berry Tyranitar?

**voodoo pimp** · Aug 20th, 2012, 5:18:03 PM

Hydreigon outspeeds every unboosted Pokémon in Tailwind with no investment, so unless you want to target a Scarfer or be faster outside of Tailwind it doesn't really need any speed. Maybe enough to beat Kingdra?

As for your second question, not quite:
252SpAtk Fight Gem lvl 50 Hydreigon (+SAtk) Hidden Power (Fighting) in Sandstorm vs 252HP/0SpDef lvl 50 Tyranitar (Neutral): 83% - 98% (172 - 204 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

honchkro13 · Aug 20th, 2012, 5:22:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Xeno598

If I were to run a bulky Hydreigon on a Tailwind team, how much Speed should I invest to outrun certain threats?

Edit: Adding on that, I'm largely considering a HP Fighting spread, which would require a Speed IV of 30. Also, on that note, would a Fighting Gem HP Fighting KO a Non-Chople Berry Tyranitar?

No.

Modest max Sp. Attack Hydreigon with a Fighting Gem boosted HP Fighting deals 83.09%-98.55% to an Adamant 252 HP/4 Sp. Defense Tyranitar without Chople Berry.

Without a Fighting Gem, deals 56.04%-67.63% to the same Tyranitar.

You're basically looking at a 2HKO with or without the Fighting Gem, so I'd change the item if I were you.

Biosci · Aug 20th, 2012, 5:34:22 PM

Honestly, you're better off with Focus Blast rather than wasting the moveslot and item slot. Sure you may miss, but if it hits you're gonna be doing this:

252SpAtk lvl 50 Hydreigon (+SAtk) Focus Blast vs 252HP/4SpDef lvl 50 Tyranitar (Neutral): 141% - 166% (292 - 344 HP). Guaranteed OHKO.

**voodoo pimp** · Aug 20th, 2012, 5:41:19 PM

Biosci, you forgot the sand.

252SpAtk lvl 50 Hydreigon (+SAtk) Focus Blast in Sandstorm vs 252HP/0SpDef lvl 50 Tyranitar (Neutral): 94% - 112% (196 - 232 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 69% chance to OHKO.

Zog · Aug 20th, 2012, 5:57:40 PM

Why even bother with a fighting attack on Hydreigon? Ttar kills you if you don't kill it. With crappy accuracy and chople everywhere it's just dumb lol.

You wouldn't wipe your bum with an apple or similar piece of fruit, so stick to running your mons how they're supposed to go.

Anyway Ttar's very easy to scare, wall or otherwise OHKO so don't bother overextending to have all your mons beat it.

Chessmaster56 · Aug 20th, 2012, 7:11:59 PM

will terrakion's close combat OHKO ttar w/chople berry? and some advice on taking hail teams would be nice.

Biosci · Aug 20th, 2012, 7:33:57 PM

Jolly has a 47% chance to OHKO Tyranitar even with Chople, while Adamant has a 97% chance to OHKO the same thing. And you want advice for beating hail teams, or playing with hail on your own team?

Chessmaster56 · Aug 20th, 2012, 8:01:23 PM

beating them, thx in advance

Xeno598 · Aug 20th, 2012, 8:49:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat voodoo pimp

Hydreigon outspeeds every unboosted Pokémon in Tailwind with no investment, so unless you want to target a Scarfer or be faster outside of Tailwind it doesn't really need any speed. Maybe enough to beat Kingdra?

As for your second question, not quite:
252SpAtk Fight Gem lvl 50 Hydreigon (+SAtk) Hidden Power (Fighting) in Sandstorm vs 252HP/0SpDef lvl 50 Tyranitar (Neutral): 83% - 98% (172 - 204 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.

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Originally Posted by Fat honchkro13

No.

Modest max Sp. Attack Hydreigon with a Fighting Gem boosted HP Fighting deals 83.09%-98.55% to an Adamant 252 HP/4 Sp. Defense Tyranitar without Chople Berry.

Without a Fighting Gem, deals 56.04%-67.63% to the same Tyranitar.

You're basically looking at a 2HKO with or without the Fighting Gem, so I'd change the item if I were you.

Ah ok, I thought it would be a 2HKO, but I wanted to double-check since I didn't have access to damage calcs at that time. Since I don't really feel like gambling with Focus Miss, I'll just find another way past Tyranitar then.

And so no Speed investment, gotcha. I'm experimenting with the possibility of B&W2 Unova Pokemon as part of VGC 13 later on, and Kingdra doesn't pose a problem as of now, so I guess I'll just invest in HP and SpA.

Fantom0 · Aug 21st, 2012, 1:41:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Biosci

Jolly has a 47% chance to OHKO Tyranitar even with Chople, while Adamant has a 97% chance to OHKO the same thing. And you want advice for beating hail teams, or playing with hail on your own team?

Scizor, Metagross, Hitmontop and Heatran are all solid mons against hail teams, but since no sane person ever runs more than three ice types on a team (even that's pushing it), you should always try to protect this 'mon until the ice types are down. The rest you should probably play as if it were goodstuffs.

Chessmaster56 · Aug 21st, 2012, 4:33:45 PM

does the disquake strategy work well in VGCs and are terrakion and heatran good leads for VGC?

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Aug 20th, 2012, 5:18:03 PM	#90
voodoo pimp Apply directly to the forehead Moderator Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,965	Hydreigon outspeeds every unboosted Pokémon in Tailwind with no investment, so unless you want to target a Scarfer or be faster outside of Tailwind it doesn't really need any speed. Maybe enough to beat Kingdra? As for your second question, not quite: 252SpAtk Fight Gem lvl 50 Hydreigon (+SAtk) Hidden Power (Fighting) in Sandstorm vs 252HP/0SpDef lvl 50 Tyranitar (Neutral): 83% - 98% (172 - 204 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. __________________ Check out Smogon's new Doubles metagame! White FC: 4126-4421-4056 Black 2 FC: 3311-0920-4475 My Pokécheck Pokémon RNG is kind of like firing a gun. Why shoot blindly in every direction until you're lucky enough to hit the target when you can just take the time to aim properly and hit it with one shot?

Aug 20th, 2012, 5:34:22 PM	#92
Biosci The Flyin' Wifin' Hawaiian Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,333 Hilo	Honestly, you're better off with Focus Blast rather than wasting the moveslot and item slot. Sure you may miss, but if it hits you're gonna be doing this: 252SpAtk lvl 50 Hydreigon (+SAtk) Focus Blast vs 252HP/4SpDef lvl 50 Tyranitar (Neutral): 141% - 166% (292 - 344 HP). Guaranteed OHKO. __________________ 1st Place Winter VGCS and 2nd Place Long Beach Winter Regionals!

Aug 20th, 2012, 5:41:19 PM	#93
voodoo pimp Apply directly to the forehead Moderator Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,965	Biosci, you forgot the sand. 252SpAtk lvl 50 Hydreigon (+SAtk) Focus Blast in Sandstorm vs 252HP/0SpDef lvl 50 Tyranitar (Neutral): 94% - 112% (196 - 232 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO. 69% chance to OHKO. __________________ Check out Smogon's new Doubles metagame! White FC: 4126-4421-4056 Black 2 FC: 3311-0920-4475 My Pokécheck Pokémon RNG is kind of like firing a gun. Why shoot blindly in every direction until you're lucky enough to hit the target when you can just take the time to aim properly and hit it with one shot?

Aug 20th, 2012, 11:57:10 AM	#81
Miltos Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 3 Greece	Here's my question:can I use Drizzle Politoed in VGC 13?

Aug 20th, 2012, 2:27:47 PM	#87
Thadenvy Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 70 Houston, TX	It's good to make a backup/substitutes for your team members that aren't available in the B/W2 New Unova Dex, like I would choose Weavile to replace my Infernape as my Fake outter, or Ferrothorn for Cresselia, things like that. It's just in case of a rule change so you won't have to frantically make a new team hours before the competition like I did back in '10 and '11.

Aug 20th, 2012, 4:58:06 PM	#89
Xeno598 Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 94	If I were to run a bulky Hydreigon on a Tailwind team, how much Speed should I invest to outrun certain threats? Edit: Adding on that, I'm largely considering a HP Fighting spread, which would require a Speed IV of 30. Also, on that note, would a Fighting Gem HP Fighting KO a Non-Chople Berry Tyranitar?

Aug 20th, 2012, 5:57:40 PM	#94
Zog Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 931 i'm the kinda trainer that's built to last if you battle me i'll put ma foot in ya ass	Why even bother with a fighting attack on Hydreigon? Ttar kills you if you don't kill it. With crappy accuracy and chople everywhere it's just dumb lol. You wouldn't wipe your bum with an apple or similar piece of fruit, so stick to running your mons how they're supposed to go. Anyway Ttar's very easy to scare, wall or otherwise OHKO so don't bother overextending to have all your mons beat it. __________________ World's best Brit, magical girl* and SERIAL REPROBATE.* Want to become a genius like me? Buy me a drink and we'll talk, pal. ゆっくりしていってね *YUKKURI SHITEITTE NE!!! yaranaika!!!*

Aug 20th, 2012, 7:11:59 PM	#95
Chessmaster56 Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 53 Goldenrod City	will terrakion's close combat OHKO ttar w/chople berry? and some advice on taking hail teams would be nice.

Aug 20th, 2012, 7:33:57 PM	#96
Biosci The Flyin' Wifin' Hawaiian Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,333 Hilo	Jolly has a 47% chance to OHKO Tyranitar even with Chople, while Adamant has a 97% chance to OHKO the same thing. And you want advice for beating hail teams, or playing with hail on your own team? __________________ 1st Place Winter VGCS and 2nd Place Long Beach Winter Regionals!

Aug 20th, 2012, 8:01:23 PM	#97
Chessmaster56 Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 53 Goldenrod City	beating them, thx in advance

Aug 21st, 2012, 4:33:45 PM	#100
Chessmaster56 Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 53 Goldenrod City	does the disquake strategy work well in VGCs and are terrakion and heatran good leads for VGC?