Tier10

Relados · Aug 24th, 2012, 7:49:15 PM

Originally created on Pokemon Lab by drunk Serioussss, introduced to me by Aquaaa and Corn. I don't know the full rules on this yet, so they are subject to change at some point if someone points out an error to me.

Is LC too restricting to you? Wouldn't you like to use slightly more powerful pokemon? These problems are resolved by Tier10!

The Rules

Pokemon must all be level 10
All pokemon must be available at level 10 (this includes evolving before or at level 10, or evolving by stone or other event, as long as it can be done by level 10)
All pokemon can only use moves available at level 10 (egg moves are allowed, event moves are allowed, but move tutor moves and TM/HMs are not. Heart Scale move tutor moves are allowed)
Sonicboom and Dragon Rage are banned
Pokemon normally classified as Ubers are banned.
Ninetales is not allowed.
Like other metagames, you can only use what has been released (unreleased Dream World abilities are not allowed)

As an alternate metagame that, while similar to LC, varies in many important respects, this style gives some merit to lesser-used pokemon and moves.

Because this metagame hasn't had much experience in fifth generation yet, it'd be nice if there could be some feedback on results, so overpowered pokemon/strategies can be evaluated.

Allowed Pokemon

I don't know the full rules on this yet, so they are subject to change at some point if someone points out an error to me.

**blarajan** · Aug 24th, 2012, 7:52:40 PM

Speed Boost Torchic too broke. I'm really interested in seeing how that performs, seeing as it's only available at level 10, and thus disallowed in Little Cup.

SpecsX · Aug 24th, 2012, 7:57:10 PM

Lol Porygon-Z/2. Why aren't TM/HM and tutor moves allowed? You can teach them to low-level mons.

Aquaaa · Aug 24th, 2012, 7:59:36 PM

I'm a random poster who approves this message.

Relados · Aug 24th, 2012, 8:27:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SpecsX

Lol Porygon-Z/2. Why aren't TM/HM and tutor moves allowed? You can teach them to low-level mons.

That's just what I was told was the rules for this metagame - I didn't invent it.

In all fairness, I think it's to eliminate overcentralization in this metagame, or to reflect the game situation more (you don't own many TMs or HMs early in the game, if any at all).

ThisMysteriousGuy · Aug 24th, 2012, 8:31:28 PM

Oh I remember this. This is a pain unless you know exactly what Pokemon are viable <_>

SpecsX · Aug 24th, 2012, 8:36:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Relados

That's just what I was told was the rules for this metagame - I didn't invent it.

That reminds me of a different metagame. The creator kept banning/unbanning things every match for a while.

Still, you can get low-level mons postgame.

Relados · Aug 24th, 2012, 8:40:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat SpecsX

That reminds me of a different metagame. The creator kept banning/unbanning things every match for a while.

Still, you can get low-level mons postgame.

I don't plan on banning anything unless many tests assure that something is broken.

However, I do see your point. Perhaps it might be important to allow these things temporarily to see how they would affect the metagame.

akela · Aug 24th, 2012, 8:41:17 PM

Was wondering when this would get its own thread.

If it can become fully evolved before level 10, expect to see it overused. Especially Arcanine and Togekiss.

SpecsX · Aug 24th, 2012, 8:47:01 PM

EVs are probably all skewed, I wonder how different the EVs are than at lvl 5 or lvl 100.

Wyboth · Aug 24th, 2012, 8:50:43 PM

This doesn't seem that much different than LC to me. The amount of moves learned between level 5 and level 10 seems negligible, but if you say that it makes a difference, then I'll take your word for it.

SpecsX · Aug 24th, 2012, 8:55:40 PM

Whoa, I'm no EV expert, just use LC EVs!

akela · Aug 24th, 2012, 8:57:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Wyboth

This doesn't seem that much different than LC to me. The amount of moves learned between level 5 and level 10 seems negligible, but if you say that it makes a difference, then I'll take your word for it.

Have you ever used Togekiss, Arcanine, Exeggutor, or Raichu in LC? Wanted to use Shuckle, Ditto, Zangoose, Emolga in LC? Maybe Blissey?

ThisMysteriousGuy · Aug 24th, 2012, 8:59:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Wyboth

This doesn't seem that much different than LC to me. The amount of moves learned between level 5 and level 10 seems negligible, but if you say that it makes a difference, then I'll take your word for it.

There's a HUGE difference from LC. First off, there are far more restrictions on your movepool due to a lack of tutors and TMs (Though don't you get TM moves through breeding?). Secondly, a ton of final evolutions such as Arcanine, Raichu, Togekiss, Lucario, and Milotic can be used here since they're all obtainable at level 10.

EDIT: Damn it, ninja'd

SpecsX · Aug 24th, 2012, 9:07:58 PM

Richu? Hell, you can use Pikachu! Not to mention Gliscor, Ninetales, Milotic, Heracross...the list goes on forever. Suddenly I really want to play this.

-Eddie- · Aug 24th, 2012, 9:19:09 PM

I think this is a complete list of fully-evolved pokes at lv. 10.

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Aquaaa · Aug 24th, 2012, 9:41:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat -Eddie-

I think this is a complete list of fully-evolved pokes at lv. 10.

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Hi I'm a random poster again and I need to say that you can also get an event Electabuzz and Magmar that you can evolve into Electivire and Magmortar however these two pokemon can only have 4 moves. Both are found at level 10 at the event and can be traded to evolve. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wi...006#Electabuzz

Imanalt · Aug 27th, 2012, 6:51:49 PM

ninetales got banned a while ago, sun teams were way too strong, and it has seemed so far that hurting them by giving them only vulpix to set sun balances them

Relados · Aug 27th, 2012, 7:21:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Imanalt

ninetales got banned a while ago, sun teams were way too strong, and it has seemed so far that hurting them by giving them only vulpix to set sun balances them

Okay, I'll remove Ninetales, if what you say is true.

akela · Aug 27th, 2012, 8:04:03 PM

Quote:

All pokemon can only use moves available at level 10 (egg moves are allowed, event moves are allowed, but move tutor moves and TM/HMs are not. Heart Scale move tutor moves are allowed)

It is not stated what generation. For the most part, I doubt it matters. As long as it is obtained before or at Level 10, it is allowed.

For example, Zangoose gets Swords Dance at Level 9 in BW. In BW2, it gets it at Level 43.

Relados · Aug 27th, 2012, 8:34:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat akela

It is not stated what generation. For the most part, I doubt it matters. As long as it is obtained before or at Level 10, it is allowed.

For example, Zangoose gets Swords Dance at Level 9 in BW. In BW2, it gets it at Level 43.

I believe that so long as it is obtainable in the latest game at that level with that move following these rules, it can hold the move. So it is to my understanding that Zangoose is allowed Swords Dance.

SpecsX · Aug 27th, 2012, 8:38:39 PM

Indeed. I assume that even if, say, Vulpix learns Surf at Level 8 (in Emerald only) it would be legal in this tier.

I KNOW THAT VULPIX DOES NOT LEARN SURF, IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE.

LightningLord2 · Jan 27th, 2013, 6:19:27 AM

Are Palkia, Dialga and Giratina banned for being Ubers? You can get them on Level 1 via an event in HG/SS.

ThisMysteriousGuy · Jan 29th, 2013, 5:20:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat LightningLord2

Are Palkia, Dialga and Giratina banned for being Ubers? You can get them on Level 1 via an event in HG/SS.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Relados

The Rules

Pokemon normally classified as Ubers are banned.

Mari · Feb 8th, 2013, 1:29:27 PM

You forgot Electrode. It is available at Level 3, if you trade a Level 3 Raichu in the Pokémon Lab at Cinnabar Island in FR/LG.

Aug 24th, 2012, 7:49:15 PM	#1
Relados Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 332	Tier10 Originally created on Pokemon Lab by drunk Serioussss, introduced to me by Aquaaa and Corn. I don't know the full rules on this yet, so they are subject to change at some point if someone points out an error to me. Is LC too restricting to you? Wouldn't you like to use slightly more powerful pokemon? These problems are resolved by Tier10! The Rules Pokemon must all be level 10 All pokemon must be available at level 10 (this includes evolving before or at level 10, or evolving by stone or other event, as long as it can be done by level 10) All pokemon can only use moves available at level 10 (egg moves are allowed, event moves are allowed, but move tutor moves and TM/HMs are not. Heart Scale move tutor moves are allowed) Sonicboom and Dragon Rage are banned Pokemon normally classified as Ubers are banned. Ninetales is not allowed. Like other metagames, you can only use what has been released (unreleased Dream World abilities are not allowed) As an alternate metagame that, while similar to LC, varies in many important respects, this style gives some merit to lesser-used pokemon and moves. Because this metagame hasn't had much experience in fifth generation yet, it'd be nice if there could be some feedback on results, so overpowered pokemon/strategies can be evaluated. Allowed Pokemon Abra Absol Accelgor Aerodactyl Alomomola Ambipom Anorith Arcanine Archen Aron Audino Axew Bagon Baltoy Barboach Basculin Beautifly Beedrill Beldum Bellsprout Bidoof Blissey Blitzle Bouffalant Bronzor Buizel Bulbasaur Buneary Burmy Butterfree Cacnea Carnivine Carvanha Castform Celebi Chansey Charmander Chatot Cherubi Chikorita Chimchar Chimecho Chinchou Cinccino Clamperl Clefable Clefairy Cloyster Combee Corphish Corsola Cottonee Cranidos Croagunk Crobat Cryogonal Cubchoo Cubone Cyndaquil Darumaka Deerling Deino Delcatty Delibird Diglett Ditto Doduo Dratini Drifloon Drilbur Drowzee Druddigon Ducklett Dunsparce Durant Duskull Dustox Dwebble Eevee Ekans Electivire Electrike Elgyem Emolga Escavalier Espeon Exeggutor Farfetch'd Ferroseed Finneon Flareon Foongus Frillish Froslass Gastly Gallade Geodude Gible Girafarig Glaceon Glameow Gliscor Goldeen Golett Gorebyss Gothita Grimer Gulpin Gyarados Heatmor Heracross Hippopotas Honchkrow Hoothoot Hoppip Horsea Houndour Huntail Illumise Jirachi Jolteon Joltik Kabuto Kangaskhan Karrablast Kecleon Klink Koffing Krabby Kricketune Lapras Larvesta Larvitar Leafeon Ledyba Lickilicky Lileep Lillipup Lilligant Litwick Lotad Lucario Lunatone Machop Magby Magikarp Magmortar Magnemite Makuhita Manaphy Mankey Mantine Maractus Mareep Marill Mawile Meditite Meowth Mew Mienfoo Milotic Miltank Minccinno Minun Mismagius Mr.Mime Mudkip Munna Musharna Natu Nidoran-F Nidoran-M Nincada Nosepass Numel Oddish Omanyte Oshawott Pachirisu Panpour Pansage Pansear Paras Patrat Pawniard Petilil Phanpy Phione Pidgey Pidove Pikachu Pineco Pinsir Piplup Plusle Poliwag Ponyta Poochyena Porygon-Z Porygon2 Probopass Psyduck Purloin Qwilfish Raichu Ralts Rattata Relicanth Remoraid Rhyhorn Roggenrola Roserade Rotom Rotom-C Rotom-F Rotom-H Rotom-S Rotom-W Rufflet Sableye Sandile Sandshrew Scizor Scraggy Scyther Seedot Seel Sentret Seviper Sewaddle Shellos Shelmet Shieldon Shinx Shroomish Shuckle Shuppet Sigilyph Simipour Simisage Simisear Skarmory Skorupi Slowking Slugma Smeargle Smoochum Snivy Snorlax Snover Snubbull Solosis Solrock Spearow Spheal Spinarak Spinda Spiritomb Spoink Squirtle Stantler Starly Starmie Steelix Stunfisk Stunky Sudowoodo Sunkern Surskit Swablu Swinub Swoobat Tailow Tangrowth Tauros Teddiursa Tentacool Tepig Timburr Tirtouga Togekiss Torchic Torkoal Totodile Trapinch Treecko Tropius Trubbish Turtwig Tympole Tynamo Tyrogue Umbreon Unown Vanillite Vaporeon Venipede Venonat Volbeat Voltorb Vullaby Weavile Whimsicott Whismur Wigglytuff Wingull Woobat Wooper Wynaut Yamask Yanmega Zangoose Zigzagoon Zorua Zubat I don't know the full rules on this yet, so they are subject to change at some point if someone points out an error to me. Last edited by Relados; Aug 27th, 2012 at 7:37:06 PM. Reason: Banning Ninetales based on Imanalt's response

Aug 24th, 2012, 7:52:40 PM	#2
blarajan no abuse pls Moderator Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 2,718 Mentor	Speed Boost Torchic too broke. I'm really interested in seeing how that performs, seeing as it's only available at level 10, and thus disallowed in Little Cup. __________________ Team Babby: Little Cup in Ubers RMT

Aug 24th, 2012, 7:57:10 PM	#3
SpecsX Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 372 Starfing with Harvest	Lol Porygon-Z/2. Why aren't TM/HM and tutor moves allowed? You can teach them to low-level mons. __________________ <awaychuck> alk your mom is so stupid that she thought the chain rule was used by antebellum mathematicians in the South On Patrat: <Dracoyoshi8> i like to imagine its cheeks are full of semen

Aug 24th, 2012, 7:59:36 PM	#4
Aquaaa Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 58 England	I'm a random poster who approves this message. __________________ Quest: Find another person that has played Mad Dash Racing. Status: In progress Leave a visitor message if you want a rate i suppose~

Aug 24th, 2012, 8:41:17 PM	#9
akela Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 1,117 Minnesota	Was wondering when this would get its own thread. If it can become fully evolved before level 10, expect to see it overused. Especially Arcanine and Togekiss. __________________ A S B

Aug 24th, 2012, 8:31:28 PM	#6
ThisMysteriousGuy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 263 Rock Tunnel	Oh I remember this. This is a pain unless you know exactly what Pokemon are viable <_>

Aug 24th, 2012, 8:47:01 PM	#10
SpecsX Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 372 Starfing with Harvest	EVs are probably all skewed, I wonder how different the EVs are than at lvl 5 or lvl 100. __________________ <awaychuck> alk your mom is so stupid that she thought the chain rule was used by antebellum mathematicians in the South On Patrat: <Dracoyoshi8> i like to imagine its cheeks are full of semen

Aug 24th, 2012, 8:50:43 PM	#11
Wyboth Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 21 Memphis, TN	This doesn't seem that much different than LC to me. The amount of moves learned between level 5 and level 10 seems negligible, but if you say that it makes a difference, then I'll take your word for it. __________________ Master Sprite Artist Give an Internet

Aug 24th, 2012, 8:55:40 PM	#12
SpecsX Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 372 Starfing with Harvest	Whoa, I'm no EV expert, just use LC EVs! __________________ <awaychuck> alk your mom is so stupid that she thought the chain rule was used by antebellum mathematicians in the South On Patrat: <Dracoyoshi8> i like to imagine its cheeks are full of semen

Aug 24th, 2012, 9:07:58 PM	#15
SpecsX Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 372 Starfing with Harvest	Richu? Hell, you can use Pikachu! Not to mention Gliscor, Ninetales, Milotic, Heracross...the list goes on forever. Suddenly I really want to play this. __________________ <awaychuck> alk your mom is so stupid that she thought the chain rule was used by antebellum mathematicians in the South On Patrat: <Dracoyoshi8> i like to imagine its cheeks are full of semen

Aug 24th, 2012, 9:19:09 PM	#16
-Eddie- Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 148 Maryland	I think this is a complete list of fully-evolved pokes at lv. 10. ... Butterfree Beedrill Raichu Clefable Ninetales Wigglytuff Arcanine Farfetch'd Cloyster Exeggutor Kangaskhan Starmie Mr. Mime Pinsir Tauros Lapras Ditto Vaporeon Jolteon Flareon Aerodactyl Snorlax Mew Sudowoodo Sunflora Espeon Umbreon Slowking Unown Girafarig Steelix Qwilfish Scizor Shuckle Heracross Corsola Delibird Mantine Skarmory Stantler Smeargle Miltank Blissey Beautifly Dustox Delcatty Sableye Mawile Plusle Minun Volbeat Illumise Torkoal Spinda Zangoose Seviper Lunatone Solrock Milotic Castform Kecleon Tropius Chimecho Absol Huntail Gorebyss Relicanth Luvdisc Regirock Regice Registeel Jirachi Kricketune Roserade Mothim Pachirisu Ambipom Mismagius Honchkrow Chatot Spiritomb Lucario Carnivine Lumineon Weavile Lickilicky Tangrowth Togekiss Yanmega Leafeon Glaceon Gliscor Porygon-Z Probopass Dusknoir Froslass Regigigas Phione Simisage Simisear Simipour Musharna Audino Throh Sawk Whimsicott Lilligant Basculin Maractus Sigilyph Cinccino Emolga Escavalier - ??? Alomomola Cryogonal Accelgor - ??? Stunfisk Druddigon Bouffalant Heatmor Durant

Aug 27th, 2012, 6:51:49 PM	#18
Imanalt RHYDON RHYDON RHYDON RHYDON RHYDON RHYDON Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,352 VT, USA	ninetales got banned a while ago, sun teams were way too strong, and it has seemed so far that hurting them by giving them only vulpix to set sun balances them __________________ ASB profile zfs: we are the knights who say nidoking http://pastebin.com/FrNB3Vg3 21:15 Cathy GreatSage is a known spammer

Aug 27th, 2012, 8:38:39 PM	#22
SpecsX Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 372 Starfing with Harvest	Indeed. I assume that even if, say, Vulpix learns Surf at Level 8 (in Emerald only) it would be legal in this tier. I KNOW THAT VULPIX DOES NOT LEARN SURF, IT WAS JUST AN EXAMPLE. __________________ <awaychuck> alk your mom is so stupid that she thought the chain rule was used by antebellum mathematicians in the South On Patrat: <Dracoyoshi8> i like to imagine its cheeks are full of semen

Jan 27th, 2013, 6:19:27 AM	#23
LightningLord2 Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 107	Are Palkia, Dialga and Giratina banned for being Ubers? You can get them on Level 1 via an event in HG/SS. __________________ Level 100 Impish Shuckle (Power Trick) +6 Attack 5 Defense Curl Rollout with 10th Round of Metronome receiving helping hand from Cherrim in Sunlight vs. level 1 Lonely Ledyba with -6 Defense deals 90905824 - 106948032 damage (757548533.3% - 891233600%)

Feb 8th, 2013, 1:29:27 PM	#25
Mari Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 164 Aachen, Germany	You forgot Electrode. It is available at Level 3, if you trade a Level 3 Raichu in the Pokémon Lab at Cinnabar Island in FR/LG. __________________ Challenge Cup 1 vs 1 - Torchic vs Arceus-Normal Challenge Cup - Trapinch VGC 2013 - 3-Turn-Win Balanced Hackmons - Arceus Home Run Challenge Cup 1 vs 1 - Epic: Magikarp vs. Zapdos Feel the power of Sub Magnezone