Syclar - Part 3 - Ability Discussion - Page 2

uxsee · Aug 25th, 2012, 1:08:08 PM

Compoundeyes is definitely a must for syclar because of its giant eyes. Some other possible secondary abilities for Syclar include Tinted Lens, Run Away, and Keen Eye. Run Away, despite being useless, is a pretty appropriate ability on a little bug type such as Syclar. It would share this characteristic with other small bug types that get run away, such as caterpie, weedle, kricketot, venonat, nincada, and wurmple. Tinted Lens and Keen Eye are mostly based on the fact that it has giant eyes (lol). Tinted Lens is an ability shared by a lot of other bug types, such as illumise, venonat, mothim, yanmega. It would also be a pretty good competitive option over compund eyes if a CAP LC were to be created.

akela · Aug 25th, 2012, 2:00:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat DHR-107

Rattled is Gen V, in much the same vein as Unnerve is. As this is a Gen IV CaP Prevo, we are unable to use Gen V abilities.

Also; Tail Glow is an Egg Move, so it's weird how people seem to be fixating on that in terms of Illuminate as a secondary. Snow Warning is a basically a no go too for obvious reasons.

I really like Snow Cloak/Swarm/Shell Armour. All are great flavour for Syclar.

My apologies. I meant Run Away. I always get those 2 abilities confused. I know I shouldn't, but I do.

Anways, I meant Run Away.

For some odd reason, when ever I see Syclar now, I think of Joltik. But I don't think the abilities should reflect that. As such, I disagree with Swarm.

HLDR · Aug 25th, 2012, 2:00:29 PM

I like the idea of replacing Mountaineer with Snow Cloak. I feel like it really captures Syclar in a simple way, as well as keeping its cute Compoundeyes. I could get behind Illuminate as well, cause that'd make some awesome Christmas tree lights if there was ever a CAP Christmas Special. Just saying.

srk1214 · Aug 25th, 2012, 2:24:11 PM

I think Mountaineer should be axed. I like the narrative of Syclar hiding in caves until they are mature enough to go out and be badass hunters on the slopes themselves. Keep Compoundeyes.

Meanwhile, I think the best thing to be the replacement for Mountaineer is something along similar lines of "protection" so I'm going to suggest Shell Armor.

**jas61292** · Aug 25th, 2012, 5:26:12 PM

While originally I wasn't in love with Compoundeyes due to the lack of, well, compound eyes, I relized that Pokemon like Galvantula and Joltik don't really have compound eyes either despite the ability, and outside of the art, I think it really works flavor-wise. However,I'm going to have to agree with a lot of people that mountaineer doesn't really make much sense. The little we have about it shows it to be way to weak or whatnot to be able to survive alon in the mountains, making mountaineer not a very good fit.

That being said, I personally prefer Swarm of all the abilities that people have thrown out there. Its a popular ability among bugs, and flavor wise it captures the basic nature of Syclar. Not anything special really, but it just fits. That being said, if we want one of the two abilities to emphasize its Ice-typing then I think Snow Cloak would be a good fit. Once again, a very vanilla ability for an ice type, but it works pretty well.

Lastly, I just want to say I really do not like the idea of Illuminate. Nothing against the ability, but the fact is that, while it does get Tail Glow, the only reason we know for sure it will have it is because it is an egg move. And, as an egg move, it is not an intrinsically important part of the Pokemon. Yes, its tail can glow. But no, it is not a Volbeat or Mollux, where the tail glowing is a defining part of its existence.

Delta Nite · Aug 25th, 2012, 5:58:51 PM

I'm here to throw my support for Compouneyes/Snow Cloak.

Mountaineer is an Ability that reflects Syclant's aptitude to protect itself from its rocky habitat.
Syclat instead, stays in a cave/nest/any place it can call home, wich is located in a cold area. Snow Cloak would reflect Syclar capacity to defend itself from predators in it's own habitat, wich is a really cold place. Also, I don't believe Syclar would leave its nest until fully grown up.

LockDown · Aug 25th, 2012, 6:52:02 PM

I was going to say to ditch Compoundeyes because Syclar doesn't really have bug-eyes, but then I looked at all the other 'mons with Compoundeyes and Joltik/Galvantula, their closest comparison, don't have bug-eyes either. So instead I think Ice Body should replace Mountaineer, so Syclar's body is healed by hail, but as it grows stronger into Syclant, it's body becomes resistant to rock with Mountaineer.

***Birkal**** · Aug 25th, 2012, 6:59:34 PM

I'm really liking the discussion thus far. I'd like it to continue. However, let me make a few points about the slate I'm currently debating.

I think it is safe to say that everyone would like either Mountaineer or Compoundeyes to stay (i.e. no putting in two completely new abilities). So, it is probably safe to make the first ability poll for those two abilities only. The poll afterwards would then consist of the original ability that lost and the top suggested abilities of this thread. Here is what I am thinking for our second ability poll:

Mountaineer / Compoundeyes (whichever one loses the first ability poll)
Swarm
Illuminate
Snow Cloak
No Secondary Ability

I'm not completely set on this list, so I'd like discussion to continue to take place. Note that whichever ability won the first poll would still retain its place as primary or secondary ability. For example, if Mountaineer won, it would be Syclant's secondary ability. Does that make sense? If you need clarification, speak up.

Continue the discussion! I just wanted to let you all know what I'm thinking in terms of polls. Some of the regular CAP polls take weeks to discuss and vote on abilities. While I'd like to be thorough, I also wish to make the process simplistic. Note that this also means that this would be our last ability discussion for Syclar. Sound good?

SpecsX · Aug 25th, 2012, 7:21:10 PM

Compoundeyes should be the primary ability, as most people seem to think(and I agree) that Mountaineer doesn't fit Syclar's flavor. I don't really have a decisive opinion on its secondary ability, though.

Zystral · Aug 25th, 2012, 7:38:23 PM

While I agree that Tail Glow being an egg move does not lend credibility to Illuminate being a good option, I will say that of all 8 Illuminate holders, only Volbeat learns Tail Glow at all.
(I will also say I never used Tail Glow as a main argument, only a suggestion).

I can't really get behind Swarm other than for the reason that it's "a generic Bug-type ability". There isn't enough flavour to justify it, and if we were using a proper CAP process of "competitive matters", then Swarm would never be used over Compoundeyes (only because Blizzard). In fact, hardly anything would be used; Mountaineer is one of the few abilities Syclar could feasibly have that it would want over Compoundeyes, and the consensus is that we don't want Mountaineer.

So we could just go with no secondary ability altogether.... Just throwing that out there also.

SpecsX · Aug 25th, 2012, 8:14:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Zystral

If were using a proper CAP process of "competitive matters", then Swarm would never be used over Compoundeyes (only because Blizzard). In fact, hardly anything would be used; Mountaineer is one of the few abilities Syclar could feasibly have that it would want over Compoundeyes

Actually, with that SR weakness, a Sub+Swarm+Pinch Berry could work. Switch into something it threatens, sub and activate, and sweep with Bug Buzz and whatever
other moves.

Many bugs breed in, well, swarms. I was under the impression that 100s of Syclar would live in the same cave.

***Birkal**** · Aug 25th, 2012, 8:35:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zystral

There isn't enough flavour to justify it, and if we were using a proper CAP process of "competitive matters", then Swarm would never be used over Compoundeyes (only because Blizzard). In fact, hardly anything would be used; Mountaineer is one of the few abilities Syclar could feasibly have that it would want over Compoundeyes, and the consensus is that we don't want Mountaineer.

So we could just go with no secondary ability altogether.... Just throwing that out there also.

To respond to the first section, we actually aren't working off of the normal CAP process. Instead, we are using the pre-evolution standards, which dictates that we focus first and foremost on flavor. I do understand your point of not getting behind Swarm though from your previous paragraph, so you're fine!

And that was a bloop on my part; no secondary ability would certainly be added to the secondary ability poll. My bad.

uxsee · Aug 25th, 2012, 9:04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Birkal

I'm really liking the discussion thus far. I'd like it to continue. However, let me make a few points about the slate I'm currently debating.

I think it is safe to say that everyone would like either Mountaineer or Compoundeyes to stay (i.e. no putting in two completely new abilities). So, it is probably safe to make the first ability poll for those two abilities only. The poll afterwards would then consist of the original ability that lost and the top suggested abilities of this thread. Here is what I am thinking for our second ability poll:

Mountaineer / Compoundeyes (whichever one loses the first ability poll)
Swarm
Illuminate
Snow Cloak
Run Away
No Secondary Ability

I'm not completely set on this list, so I'd like discussion to continue to take place. Note that whichever ability won the first poll would still retain its place as primary or secondary ability. For example, if Mountaineer won, it would be Syclant's secondary ability. Does that make sense? If you need clarification, speak up.

Continue the discussion! I just wanted to let you all know what I'm thinking in terms of polls. Some of the regular CAP polls take weeks to discuss and vote on abilities. While I'd like to be thorough, I also wish to make the process simplistic. Note that this also means that this would be our last ability discussion for Syclar. Sound good?

I am still in full support of the ability Run Away on Syclar. Granted, this ability has absolutely no competitive value, but it is about flavor. Run away logically makes sense on a small bug type such as Syclar. Its bug/ice typeage
provides it with a crippling weakness to fast fire types and rock types (which could throw rocks at it from a distance :3). The ability to run away quickly would greatly enable the survival of the species, and be a possible form of (biological) evolution. Ifuss further backed by Syclar's fast as fuck evolution. In addition, it would share this ability with other small bug types such as venonat, kricketot, caterpie, weedle, nincada, and wurmple.

***Birkal**** · Aug 26th, 2012, 12:03:40 AM

I hate to sound bossy, but I'm not going to slate Run Away. The only precedence would be on Venonat and Kricketot, which both only receive it as a hidden ability in Gen5. All Bug-types follow the same suit, actually.

Anyways, this discussion has run its course. I am going to keep with the same slate I posted here. Expect the next voting thread up shortly!

Aug 25th, 2012, 1:08:08 PM	#26
uxsee Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 99 Arizona	Compoundeyes is definitely a must for syclar because of its giant eyes. Some other possible secondary abilities for Syclar include Tinted Lens, Run Away, and Keen Eye. Run Away, despite being useless, is a pretty appropriate ability on a little bug type such as Syclar. It would share this characteristic with other small bug types that get run away, such as caterpie, weedle, kricketot, venonat, nincada, and wurmple. Tinted Lens and Keen Eye are mostly based on the fact that it has giant eyes (lol). Tinted Lens is an ability shared by a lot of other bug types, such as illumise, venonat, mothim, yanmega. It would also be a pretty good competitive option over compund eyes if a CAP LC were to be created. __________________ If you buy one completo, it's only one dollar. BUT, if you buy two completos, it's only two dollars. BUT, if you buy three completos, it's only three dollars. BUT, if you buy four completos, it's only four dollars... Do you like my three buts?

Aug 25th, 2012, 2:24:11 PM	#29
srk1214 Supreme Master of Trivia Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 808	I think Mountaineer should be axed. I like the narrative of Syclar hiding in caves until they are mature enough to go out and be badass hunters on the slopes themselves. Keep Compoundeyes. Meanwhile, I think the best thing to be the replacement for Mountaineer is something along similar lines of "protection" so I'm going to suggest Shell Armor. __________________ Best. Match. Ever. http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11554542 To see the other best match ever, go to DetroitLolcat's signature.

Aug 25th, 2012, 5:26:12 PM	#30
jas61292 likes his numbers Moderator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 2,244 Strong as a Corsola	While originally I wasn't in love with Compoundeyes due to the lack of, well, compound eyes, I relized that Pokemon like Galvantula and Joltik don't really have compound eyes either despite the ability, and outside of the art, I think it really works flavor-wise. However,I'm going to have to agree with a lot of people that mountaineer doesn't really make much sense. The little we have about it shows it to be way to weak or whatnot to be able to survive alon in the mountains, making mountaineer not a very good fit. That being said, I personally prefer Swarm of all the abilities that people have thrown out there. Its a popular ability among bugs, and flavor wise it captures the basic nature of Syclar. Not anything special really, but it just fits. That being said, if we want one of the two abilities to emphasize its Ice-typing then I think Snow Cloak would be a good fit. Once again, a very vanilla ability for an ice type, but it works pretty well. Lastly, I just want to say I really do not like the idea of Illuminate. Nothing against the ability, but the fact is that, while it does get Tail Glow, the only reason we know for sure it will have it is because it is an egg move. And, as an egg move, it is not an intrinsically important part of the Pokemon. Yes, its tail can glow. But no, it is not a Volbeat or Mollux, where the tail glowing is a defining part of its existence. __________________ <jas61292> I record everything <nyttyn> prove it. <nyttyn> WHAT WAS THE VERY FIRST THING I EVER SAID IN THIS CHANNEL. <jas61292> [06/02/12 \| 12:43] <NyttyN> Huh what deo you know shelll smash did get banned <nyttyn> what. <nyttyn> well congratulations jas your stalker nexus has reached an all time high.

Aug 25th, 2012, 6:52:02 PM	#32
LockDown Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 575 where 5*5=30	I was going to say to ditch Compoundeyes because Syclar doesn't really have bug-eyes, but then I looked at all the other 'mons with Compoundeyes and Joltik/Galvantula, their closest comparison, don't have bug-eyes either. So instead I think Ice Body should replace Mountaineer, so Syclar's body is healed by hail, but as it grows stronger into Syclant, it's body becomes resistant to rock with Mountaineer. __________________ [10:34pm] Glacier: I'M A DERP DERP POOPY HEAD [10:34pm] smashlloyd20: ? [10:34pm] EspyOwner: :\| [10:34pm] smashlloyd20: oh true ASB Team \| ASB Ref

Aug 25th, 2012, 6:59:34 PM	#33
*Birkal We have the technology. Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,017 The Mentor	I'm really liking the discussion thus far. I'd like it to continue. However, let me make a few points about the slate I'm currently debating. I think it is safe to say that everyone would like either Mountaineer or Compoundeyes to stay (i.e. no putting in two completely new abilities). So, it is probably safe to make the first ability poll for those two abilities only. The poll afterwards would then consist of the original ability that lost and the top suggested abilities of this thread. Here is what I am thinking for our second ability poll: Mountaineer / Compoundeyes (whichever one loses the first ability poll) Swarm Illuminate Snow Cloak No Secondary Ability I'm not completely set on this list, so I'd like discussion to continue to take place. Note that whichever ability won the first poll would still retain its place as primary or secondary ability. For example, if Mountaineer won, it would be Syclant's secondary ability. Does that make sense? If you need clarification, speak up. Continue the discussion! I just wanted to let you all know what I'm thinking in terms of polls. Some of the regular CAP polls take weeks to discuss and vote on abilities. While I'd like to be thorough, I also wish to make the process simplistic. Note that this also means that this would be our last ability discussion for Syclar. Sound good? __________________ Last edited by Birkal; Aug 25th, 2012 at 8:35:55 PM.

Aug 25th, 2012, 2:00:29 PM	#28
HLDR Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 31	I like the idea of replacing Mountaineer with Snow Cloak. I feel like it really captures Syclar in a simple way, as well as keeping its cute Compoundeyes. I could get behind Illuminate as well, cause that'd make some awesome Christmas tree lights if there was ever a CAP Christmas Special. Just saying.

Aug 25th, 2012, 5:58:51 PM	#31
Delta Nite Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 71	I'm here to throw my support for Compouneyes/Snow Cloak. Mountaineer is an Ability that reflects Syclant's aptitude to protect itself from its rocky habitat. Syclat instead, stays in a cave/nest/any place it can call home, wich is located in a cold area. Snow Cloak would reflect Syclar capacity to defend itself from predators in it's own habitat, wich is a really cold place. Also, I don't believe Syclar would leave its nest until fully grown up.

Aug 25th, 2012, 7:21:10 PM	#34
SpecsX Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 372 Starfing with Harvest	Compoundeyes should be the primary ability, as most people seem to think(and I agree) that Mountaineer doesn't fit Syclar's flavor. I don't really have a decisive opinion on its secondary ability, though. __________________ <awaychuck> alk your mom is so stupid that she thought the chain rule was used by antebellum mathematicians in the South On Patrat: <Dracoyoshi8> i like to imagine its cheeks are full of semen

Aug 25th, 2012, 7:38:23 PM	#35
Zystral Time for a true display of skill. Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,392 You belong in a museum!	While I agree that Tail Glow being an egg move does not lend credibility to Illuminate being a good option, I will say that of all 8 Illuminate holders, only Volbeat learns Tail Glow at all. (I will also say I never used Tail Glow as a main argument, only a suggestion). I can't really get behind Swarm other than for the reason that it's "a generic Bug-type ability". There isn't enough flavour to justify it, and if we were using a proper CAP process of "competitive matters", then Swarm would never be used over Compoundeyes (only because Blizzard). In fact, hardly anything would be used; Mountaineer is one of the few abilities Syclar could feasibly have that it would want over Compoundeyes, and the consensus is that we don't want Mountaineer. So we could just go with no secondary ability altogether.... Just throwing that out there also. __________________ GP Team - just ask. \| last.fm \| redditor \| steam \| #C&C, #mtg, #TCG oh look a userbar

Aug 26th, 2012, 12:03:40 AM	#39
*Birkal We have the technology. Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,017 The Mentor	I hate to sound bossy, but I'm not going to slate Run Away. The only precedence would be on Venonat and Kricketot, which both only receive it as a hidden ability in Gen5. All Bug-types follow the same suit, actually. Anyways, this discussion has run its course. I am going to keep with the same slate I posted here. Expect the next voting thread up shortly! __________________