Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (All Generations) - Page 4

Keiran · Sep 15th, 2012, 7:24:06 PM

DTC · Sep 15th, 2012, 7:28:16 PM

So I was right about the dungeon layout; it is indeed fantastic. The graphics in general are really cool, especially BRAVIARY.

The rumor on IRC that we could only use five Pokemon has seemed to be confirmed false by the video. In it, you could see a Zorua being recruited.

I love what I'm seeing so far. ^_^

Espeon65 · Sep 15th, 2012, 7:32:05 PM

This game is turning out to look awesome! I just wish that they had more pokemon than Tepig, Oshawott, Snivy, Pikachu, and Axew to start with, but still, it will be really cool. I've been hoping they would make something like this since Black and White came out. I sort of expected Pansear, Panpour, and Pansage to be starters too, though.

Keiran · Sep 15th, 2012, 7:40:08 PM

I doubt those are all the fifth gen "starter" Pokemon. I imagine Pokemon such as Lillipup, Timburr and Litwick could all be possibilities.

Espeon65 · Sep 15th, 2012, 8:06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Keiran

I doubt those are all the fifth gen "starter" Pokemon. I imagine Pokemon such as Lillipup, Timburr and Litwick could all be possibilities.

I have to admit, those pokemon would be awesome. Especially Litwick. I think Blitzle and Drilbur would be awesome possibilities.

atsync · Sep 15th, 2012, 8:28:32 PM

I've never been into this series enough to actually buy one myself (although I did enjoy Red Rescue Team), but I excited for this simply because it means we'll FINALLY get a decent pokemon game made specifically for the 3DS.

Either way, the trailer looks great.

Keiran · Sep 16th, 2012, 12:19:12 PM

K so Serebii has pictures (which I believe are mostly from the trailer) and I guess I'll just post my thoughts on them.

If I had to guess, Hydreigon seems like the ideal Pokemon to be the game's primary antagonist. It seems like the perfect Pokemon for the job. Virizion seems like it will also play a prominent role in the game's storyline. I think Virizion could be the guild master of the game. Terrakion, Cobalion and possibly Keldeo could also possibly come into storyline, too, just as what happened with Mesprit, Azelf and Uxie.

A "magnagate" seems to a portal that appears when you use the 3DS' camera on a real life object.

This game looks amazing so far

IstheCakeReallyaLie · Sep 18th, 2012, 7:06:40 PM

You know, I thought this was going to be terribad at first, but then I saw the character portraits and dungeoning, and I was a fan. Give it a chance, anyone who doesn't like it.

Espeon65 · Sep 18th, 2012, 7:15:32 PM

yeah, I'm just hoping that BW2 keeps my interest long enough that the wait for this PMD doesn't seem endless, lol. XD

callforjudgement · Sep 19th, 2012, 6:42:54 AM

For anyone who has trouble with Drifloon: try carrying a junk hold item (No-Aim Scope or whatever), and throw it at a Drifloon when you see one. It's not smart enough to drop it and turn Unburden back on. (Note: it has to be a junk item, because it may well get exploded when you kill the Drifloon.)

TM13IceBeam · Sep 19th, 2012, 8:25:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat callforjudgement

For anyone who has trouble with Drifloon: try carrying a junk hold item (No-Aim Scope or whatever), and throw it at a Drifloon when you see one. It's not smart enough to drop it and turn Unburden back on. (Note: it has to be a junk item, because it may well get exploded when you kill the Drifloon.)

no, the main problem with drifloon is that generally you end up in the same room as it but you end up on the wrong side and can't toss anything to negate unburden before it starts sending 2 ominous winds, which = 2 chances to raise stats, and chances are you'll end up on the wrong side of murphy's law. iirc even skitties could be killed by ominous wind...

Zowayix · Sep 19th, 2012, 8:25:36 PM

I calculated out some probabilities based on a single turn of encountering an opposing Drifloon in a dungeon room, assuming you cannot disable Unburden and it uses Ominous Wind at every opportunity.

The list below is absurdly long and covers all 140 different scenarios, but I've condensed them into spoilers.

Mechanics:
- Unburden allows the Pokemon to make two moves in one turn, using only 1 PP.
- Ominous Wind has a 10% chance of boosting the user's Attack, Sp. Atk, Defense, Sp. Def, and movement speed by 1 stage.
- Stat boosts cap at +6. Movement Speed caps at +3 (4 moves per turn).
- At maximum speed, a Pokemon with Unburden can make 8 moves in 1 turn, using 4 PP in the process.

Key:
N = No boost
B = Boost
X = Boost not applicable because all stats are at +6 already

Therefore, in the list below, "NBBNNN 570" means:
- Drifloon makes a move. Ominous Wind is used twice thanks to Unburden. The second time gets the 10% chance of a boost.
- Because Movement Speed is now +1, Drifloon can make another move. It uses Ominous Wind twice thanks to Unburden. The first time gets the 10% chance of a boost.
- Because Movement Speed is now +2, Drifloon can make another move. It uses Ominous Wind twice thanks to Unburden. Neither time gets the boost. Drifloon has now made the maximum three (six) moves, so the turn ends.
- Overall, the move did 60+60+90+120+120+120 = 570 base power damage, plus STAB. Ominous Wind now has 2/5 PP remaining.

And now for the gigantic list:

No boosts:
Probability 0.9*0.9 = 81%
Average base power = 120

...

One boost:
Probability 2*0.9^3*0.1 = 14.58%
Average base power = 315

...

Two boosts:
Probability 5*0.9^4*0.1^2 = 3.2805%
Average base power = 592.5

...

Three boosts:
Probability 14*0.9^5*0.1^3 = 0.826686%
Average base power = ~919.3 (12870/14)

...

Four boosts:
Probability 43*0.9^4*0.1^4 = 0.282123%
Average base power = ~967.0 (41580/43)

...

Five boosts:
Probability 48*0.9^3*0.1^5 = 0.034992%
Average base power = 1035

...

Six boosts:
Probability 20*0.9^2*0.1^6+6*0.9*0.1^6+0.1^6 = 0.00226%
Average base power = ~1116.7 (30150/27)

...

I hope I didn't make any mistakes in figuring the above out. If the above is accurate, then in the given scenario, in one turn, a Drifloon spamming Ominous Wind will do an average of 173.3 Base Power damage, plus STAB. However, note that the "mere" 120 base power on the 81% chance of getting no boosts drags this average down significantly. It would probably be better to represent the damage output as:
- 81% chance of 120 Base Power damage, plus STAB
- 19% chance of an average of 400.4 Base Power damage, plus STAB
Essentially, you're getting hit with something like STAB Outrage no matter what. However, on a chance approximately equal to Stone Edge's miss chance, you're getting hit with something on the order of three consecutive STAB Draco Meteors all at once, without the stat drops. That is going to hurt. A lot.

Also note that this is only the first turn. Since it is hitting from across the entire room, it is likely to be able to attack again. I'll work out second turn probabilities later.

TM13IceBeam · Sep 20th, 2012, 9:16:46 AM

actually, stat boosts do not cap at +6, but actually +10. OW has 8 PP (or was it 7? PMD has really funky PP numbers), movement speed ranges from -1 to +4 and immunities count for something like 1/4 resist iirc. Regardless, even if you survive you'll be facing down a monster with like +4 or 5 in all his stats and moving at like triple speed. This basically equals to, use a fucking Escape Orb immediately. pronto.

it's probably the only reason why you shouldn't exchange all your escape orbs for reviver seeds in sky >.>

also power levels iirc are calculated slightly differently in pmd, things like base power aren't exactly relevant and PP numbers are super funky. i might drag out my EoS to check for bp of moves if i have the time...

P.S. On another note, try using Shinx. Charge + Discharge is amazing.

callforjudgement · Sep 20th, 2012, 3:40:58 PM

I actually thought stats cap at +8 in PMD. (Tested by spamming Bulk Up in Zero Isle South when I was about to use a Max Elixir.)

Also, Movement Speed doesn't normally give bonus attacks; you can only attack once (twice with Unburden) in a turn. However, possibly due to a glitch, if your Movement Speed increases in a turn, you get to move again, so Drifblim does get eight attacks per turn the first time. Only two on subsequent rounds, but by then it's probably too late.

Escape Orb is overkill for escaping from them, by the way. We're assuming you aren't in range to throw items over than Gravelerocks, but there are several room-affecting orbs that would work: Petrify Orb, Sleep Orb, Foe-Seal Orb, Foe-Fear Orb. (Probably also Confuse Orb; a confused Drifblim will hit itself as well as you with Ominous Wind, and it's likely to KO itself before it KOs you.) There are also seeds that would let you escape if eaten: Warp Seed (probably), Pure Seed (almost definitely, unless the stairs are in the room). Finally, you could use Teleport or Protect.

And yes, I've noticed that the damage formula is different. Base Power seems to have some effect, but it's very small. Defence stages also work differently: a couple of Bulk Ups can bring Bullet Seed's damage from 30 or so down to 1 or 2, which is definitely impossible in the main series games.

TM13IceBeam · Sep 20th, 2012, 3:53:23 PM

i'm pretty sure i was able to charge my shinx 10 times though o.O

Also other orbs are generally situational: the only Orbs I ever find myself bothering to carry are Escape, Foe-Seal (or whatever, the one that petrifies everything on the floor) and Itemizer, and sometimes I forget to use the latter >.> F-S is the only orb other than Escape and Itemizer worth using, but it's also rare compared to Escape. Besides, you can grind for Escape Orbs in Marowak Dojo lol

JSND · Sep 22nd, 2012, 5:13:13 AM

Shinx ? Ergh i got Riolu and decided to go with it....

Blace · Sep 22nd, 2012, 5:22:00 AM

The graphics are amazing and I love Mystery Dungeon. (Even though I haven't played past Red Rescue Team, lol.) Hopefully I can grab a 3DS before this comes out in English.

callforjudgement · Sep 22nd, 2012, 5:22:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat TM13IceBeam

i'm pretty sure i was able to charge my shinx 10 times though o.O

Also other orbs are generally situational: the only Orbs I ever find myself bothering to carry are Escape, Foe-Seal (or whatever, the one that petrifies everything on the floor) and Itemizer, and sometimes I forget to use the latter >.> F-S is the only orb other than Escape and Itemizer worth using, but it's also rare compared to Escape. Besides, you can grind for Escape Orbs in Marowak Dojo lol

Escape Orb means you fail the dungeon (you just get to keep your rewards up to that point).

For story progression or clearing bonus dungeons, it's the worst item in the game, because using it means you can't possibly win that attempt and have to start again.

Buttobi · Sep 25th, 2012, 5:07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat callforjudgement

Escape Orb means you fail the dungeon (you just get to keep your rewards up to that point).

For story progression or clearing bonus dungeons, it's the worst item in the game, because using it means you can't possibly win that attempt and have to start again.

It isn't that bad. If you have valuable hold items than this item is really good to save you out of trouble. It isn't the best item in the game but isn't the worst either.

Pika25 · Sep 29th, 2012, 11:31:34 PM

Moreover, you cannot use Escape Orb if you are branded a thief by the Kecleon after stealing from their shop, unless you use a Pitfall trap or the stairs to move to the next floor. One very important reason for staying close to them while trying to recruit one of those bastards...

Kecleon352 · Nov 2nd, 2012, 3:54:24 AM

I'm stoked for the new Mystery Dungeon. I'd love to start off as Snivy. :D

My favorite game was Explorers of Sky because of the new features in the game, like the Spinda Cafe, for example. I always enjoyed watching Spinda spinning around while making the juice. And when I won with the Prize Ticket at Wynaut's Recycling...

For some reason when I played PMD, I always got Pikachu. But sometimes I've also gotten Shinx & Riolu. I've had my partner be Skitty & Vulpix & Riolu (when I wasn't).

If there was one Pokémon who I wish I could've gotten, it's Kecleon. I'm both sad and happy that Kecleon is such an ultimate Pokémon. I'm happy because, since Kecleon is my favorite Pokémon, it's great to see him as he is, but I'm sad because it's nearly impossible to recruit him.

I'm just hoping that it'll be easier to recruit him in the new game. <fingers crossed>

Darkhuaza517 · Nov 2nd, 2012, 6:23:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Kecleon352

I'm stoked for the new Mystery Dungeon. I'd love to start off as Snivy. :D

My favorite game was Explorers of Sky because of the new features in the game, like the Spinda Cafe, for example. I always enjoyed watching Spinda spinning around while making the juice. And when I won with the Prize Ticket at Wynaut's Recycling...

For some reason when I played PMD, I always got Pikachu. But sometimes I've also gotten Shinx & Riolu. I've had my partner be Skitty & Vulpix & Riolu (when I wasn't).

If there was one Pokémon who I wish I could've gotten, it's Kecleon. I'm both sad and happy that Kecleon is such an ultimate Pokémon. I'm happy because, since Kecleon is my favorite Pokémon, it's great to see him as he is, but I'm sad because it's nearly impossible to recruit him.

I'm just hoping that it'll be easier to recruit him in the new game. <fingers crossed>

Yeah, Kecleon is very hard to recruit, but with all requirements fulfilled in PMD2, then you still have a 0.5% chance. Just don't give up, man. :)

TM13IceBeam · Nov 2nd, 2012, 10:36:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Pika25

Moreover, you cannot use Escape Orb if you are branded a thief by the Kecleon after stealing from their shop, unless you use a Pitfall trap or the stairs to move to the next floor. One very important reason for staying close to them while trying to recruit one of those bastards...

generally you shouldn't be stealing from kecleon unless you're prepared to actually steal from kecleon (i.e. bring a pure seed etc)

and escape orbs are actually pretty decent if you don't want to burn all your reviver seeds (in instances such as having a ridiculously buffed drifloon chasing you down etc) or you're going to die anyway. i always bring along a couple with me for worst-case scenarios.

flojoetheteddiursa · Nov 2nd, 2012, 11:18:21 AM

This is the place that I have been looking for. This is where I will post what I have been in each of the games.

Red Rescue team-Eevee
Exploerers of time-Munchlax
Explorers of Darkness-Turtwig
Exploerers of Sky-Riolu.
SO MUCH BADASSERY IN TIME AND SKY

JacobNinja · Nov 6th, 2012, 11:51:48 PM

I recall getting my 8th Kecleon on my first attempt in RRT, I did the game more or less entirely with skitty/delcatty. It gets double slap early, which factoring in the OP-ness of multihit moves is incredibly powerful. I think I had maybe 6 Ginsengs on it and could ohko Kecleons. Also, Kecleon was great in joyous tower

Sep 15th, 2012, 7:24:06 PM	#76
Keiran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 444 memory is ram! oh dear	__________________ http://i.imgur.com/V3gVE.png http://i.imgur.com/DtPw4.png

Sep 15th, 2012, 7:28:16 PM	#77
DTC Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,069 Mentor	So I was right about the dungeon layout; it is indeed fantastic. The graphics in general are really cool, especially BRAVIARY. The rumor on IRC that we could only use five Pokemon has seemed to be confirmed false by the video. In it, you could see a Zorua being recruited. I love what I'm seeing so far. ^_^ __________________ Pokemon Showdown! #pokemon

Sep 15th, 2012, 7:32:05 PM	#78
Espeon65 Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 792 Akron, Ohio	This game is turning out to look awesome! I just wish that they had more pokemon than Tepig, Oshawott, Snivy, Pikachu, and Axew to start with, but still, it will be really cool. I've been hoping they would make something like this since Black and White came out. I sort of expected Pansear, Panpour, and Pansage to be starters too, though. __________________ CAP Anime Style Battling!

Sep 15th, 2012, 7:40:08 PM	#79
Keiran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 444 memory is ram! oh dear	I doubt those are all the fifth gen "starter" Pokemon. I imagine Pokemon such as Lillipup, Timburr and Litwick could all be possibilities. __________________ http://i.imgur.com/V3gVE.png http://i.imgur.com/DtPw4.png

Sep 15th, 2012, 8:28:32 PM	#81
atsync Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 796 Australia	I've never been into this series enough to actually buy one myself (although I did enjoy Red Rescue Team), but I excited for this simply because it means we'll FINALLY get a decent pokemon game made specifically for the 3DS. Either way, the trailer looks great. __________________ Hidden Items in RBY (UPLOADED) Pokemon Dream World Guide RBY In-Game Tiers + Article

Sep 16th, 2012, 12:19:12 PM	#82
Keiran Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 444 memory is ram! oh dear	K so Serebii has pictures (which I believe are mostly from the trailer) and I guess I'll just post my thoughts on them. If I had to guess, Hydreigon seems like the ideal Pokemon to be the game's primary antagonist. It seems like the perfect Pokemon for the job. Virizion seems like it will also play a prominent role in the game's storyline. I think Virizion could be the guild master of the game. Terrakion, Cobalion and possibly Keldeo could also possibly come into storyline, too, just as what happened with Mesprit, Azelf and Uxie. A "magnagate" seems to a portal that appears when you use the 3DS' camera on a real life object. This game looks amazing so far __________________ http://i.imgur.com/V3gVE.png http://i.imgur.com/DtPw4.png

Sep 18th, 2012, 7:06:40 PM	#83
IstheCakeReallyaLie Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 164 Unova	You know, I thought this was going to be terribad at first, but then I saw the character portraits and dungeoning, and I was a fan. Give it a chance, anyone who doesn't like it.

Sep 18th, 2012, 7:15:32 PM	#84
Espeon65 Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 792 Akron, Ohio	yeah, I'm just hoping that BW2 keeps my interest long enough that the wait for this PMD doesn't seem endless, lol. XD __________________ CAP Anime Style Battling!

Sep 19th, 2012, 6:42:54 AM	#85
callforjudgement Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 300	For anyone who has trouble with Drifloon: try carrying a junk hold item (No-Aim Scope or whatever), and throw it at a Drifloon when you see one. It's not smart enough to drop it and turn Unburden back on. (Note: it has to be a junk item, because it may well get exploded when you kill the Drifloon.) __________________ Pokémon spinoffs: Ranger You freak out when you hear a Clamperl; Mystery Dungeon You freak out when you see a Ledian. <Sunflora> So let me get this straight: you're sending me into a dungeon full of lava, to capture a Haunter which is part poison type?

Sep 19th, 2012, 8:25:36 PM	#87
Zowayix Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 325 USA	I calculated out some probabilities based on a single turn of encountering an opposing Drifloon in a dungeon room, assuming you cannot disable Unburden and it uses Ominous Wind at every opportunity. The list below is absurdly long and covers all 140 different scenarios, but I've condensed them into spoilers. Mechanics: - Unburden allows the Pokemon to make two moves in one turn, using only 1 PP. - Ominous Wind has a 10% chance of boosting the user's Attack, Sp. Atk, Defense, Sp. Def, and movement speed by 1 stage. - Stat boosts cap at +6. Movement Speed caps at +3 (4 moves per turn). - At maximum speed, a Pokemon with Unburden can make 8 moves in 1 turn, using 4 PP in the process. Key: N = No boost B = Boost X = Boost not applicable because all stats are at +6 already Therefore, in the list below, "NBBNNN 570" means: - Drifloon makes a move. Ominous Wind is used twice thanks to Unburden. The second time gets the 10% chance of a boost. - Because Movement Speed is now +1, Drifloon can make another move. It uses Ominous Wind twice thanks to Unburden. The first time gets the 10% chance of a boost. - Because Movement Speed is now +2, Drifloon can make another move. It uses Ominous Wind twice thanks to Unburden. Neither time gets the boost. Drifloon has now made the maximum three (six) moves, so the turn ends. - Overall, the move did 60+60+90+120+120+120 = 570 base power damage, plus STAB. Ominous Wind now has 2/5 PP remaining. And now for the gigantic list: No boosts: Probability 0.90.9 = 81% Average base power = 120 ... NN 120 One boost: Probability 20.9^30.1 = 14.58% Average base power = 315 ... NBNN 300 BNNN 330 Two boosts: Probability 50.9^40.1^2 = 3.2805% Average base power = 592.5 ... NBNBNN 540 NBBNNN 570 BNNBNN 570 BNBNNN 600 BBNNNN 630 Three boosts: Probability 140.9^50.1^3 = 0.826686% Average base power = ~919.3 (12870/14) ... NBNBNBNN 840 NBNBBNNN 870 NBBNNBNN 870 NBBNBNNN 900 BNNBNBNN 870 BNNBBNNN 900 BNBNNBNN 900 BNBNBNNN 930 NBBBNNNN 930 BNBBNNNN 960 BBNNNBNN 930 BBNNBNNN 960 BBNBNNNN 990 BBBNNNNN 1020 Four boosts: Probability 430.9^40.1^4 = 0.282123% Average base power = ~967.0 (41580/43) ... NBNBNBNB 840 NBNBNBBN 870 NBNBBNNB 870 NBNBBNBN 900 NBBNNBNB 900 NBBNNBBN 930 NBBNBNNB 930 NBBNBNBN 960 BNNBNBNB 870 BNNBNBBN 900 BNNBBNNB 900 BNNBBNBN 930 BNBNNBNB 900 BNBNNBBN 930 BNBNBNNB 930 BNBNBNBN 960 NBNBBBNN 930 NBBNBBNN 960 BNNBBBNN 960 BNBNBBNN 990 NBBBNNNB 930 NBBBNNBN 960 BNBBNNNB 960 BNBBNNBN 990 NBBBNBNN 990 NBBBBNNN 1020 BNBBNBNN 1020 BNBBBNNN 1050 BBNNNBNB 930 BBNNNBBN 960 BBNNBNNB 960 BBNNBNBN 990 BBNBNNNB 990 BBNBNNBN 1020 BBBNNNNB 1020 BBBNNNBN 1050 BBNBNBNN 1050 BBNBBNNN 1080 BBBNNBNN 1080 BBBNBNNN 1110 BBNNNNBB 900 BBNNBBNN 1020 BBBBNNNN 1140 Five boosts: Probability 480.9^30.1^5 = 0.034992% Average base power = 1035 ... NBNBNBBB 870 NBNBBNBB 900 NBBNNBBB 900 NBBNBNBB 930 BNNBNBBB 960 BNNBBNBB 990 BNBNNBBB 990 BNBNBNBB 1020 NBNBBBNB 930 NBNBBBBN 960 NBBNBBNB 960 NBBNBBBN 990 BNNBBBNB 960 BNNBBBBN 990 BNBNBBNB 990 BNBNBBBN 1020 NBBBNBNB 990 NBBBNBBN 1020 NBBBBNNB 1020 NBBBBNBN 1050 BNBBNBNB 1020 BNBBNBBN 1050 BNBBBNNB 1050 BNBBBNBN 1080 BBNBNBNB 1050 BBNBNBBN 1080 BBNBBNNB 1080 BBNBBNBN 1110 BBBNNBNB 1080 BBBNNBBN 1110 BBBNBNNB 1110 BBBNBNBN 1140 NBBBNNBB 960 BNBBNNBB 990 NBBBBBNN 1080 BNBBBBNN 1110 BBNNNBBB 960 BBNNBNBB 990 BBNBNNBB 1020 BBBNNNBB 1050 BBNNBBNB 1020 BBNNBBBN 1050 BBNBBBNN 1140 BBBNBBNN 1170 BBBBNNNB 1140 BBBBNNBN 1170 BBBBNBNN 1200 BBBBBNNN 1230 Six boosts: Probability 200.9^20.1^6+60.90.1^6+0.1^6 = 0.00226% Average base power = ~1116.7 (30150/27) ... NBNBBBBB 960 NBBNBBBB 990 BNNBBBBB 990 BNBNBBBB 1020 NBBBNBBB 1020 NBBBBNBB 1050 BNBBNBBB 1050 BNBBBNBB 1080 NBBBBBNB 1080 NBBBBBBX 1110 BNBBBBNB 1110 BNBBBBBX 1140 BBNBNBBB 1080 BBNBBNBB 1110 BBBNNBBB 1110 BBBNBNBB 1140 BBNBBBNB 1140 BBNBBBBX 1170 BBBNBBNB 1170 BBBNBBBX 1200 BBBBNBNB 1200 BBBBNBBX 1230 BBBBBNNB 1230 BBBBBNBX 1260 BBNNBBBB 1050 BBBBNNBB 1170 BBBBBBXX 1290 I hope I didn't make any mistakes in figuring the above out. If the above is accurate, then in the given scenario, in one turn, a Drifloon spamming Ominous Wind will do an average of 173.3 Base Power damage, plus STAB. However, note that the "mere" 120 base power on the 81% chance of getting no boosts drags this average down significantly. It would probably be better to represent the damage output as: - 81% chance of 120 Base Power damage, plus STAB - 19% chance of an average of 400.4 Base Power damage, plus STAB Essentially, you're getting hit with something like STAB Outrage no matter what. However, on a chance approximately equal to Stone Edge's miss chance, you're getting hit with something on the order of three consecutive STAB Draco Meteors all at once, without the stat drops. That is going to hurt. A lot. Also note that this is only the first turn. Since it is hitting from across the entire room, it is likely to be able to attack again. I'll work out second turn probabilities later. __________________ Writing a haiku With seventeen syllables Is really diffi-- Last edited by Zowayix; Sep 20th, 2012 at 12:16:51 AM.*

Sep 20th, 2012, 9:16:46 AM	#88
TM13IceBeam Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,246 stuck in the past, locked in the present, banned from the future	actually, stat boosts do not cap at +6, but actually +10. OW has 8 PP (or was it 7? PMD has really funky PP numbers), movement speed ranges from -1 to +4 and immunities count for something like 1/4 resist iirc. Regardless, even if you survive you'll be facing down a monster with like +4 or 5 in all his stats and moving at like triple speed. This basically equals to, use a fucking Escape Orb immediately. pronto. it's probably the only reason why you shouldn't exchange all your escape orbs for reviver seeds in sky >.> also power levels iirc are calculated slightly differently in pmd, things like base power aren't exactly relevant and PP numbers are super funky. i might drag out my EoS to check for bp of moves if i have the time... P.S. On another note, try using Shinx. Charge + Discharge is amazing. __________________ Start of turn 24 Natu used Grass Knot! It's super effective! The foe's Corsola lost 31% of its health! Riolu ftw Amazing Rotom-S is amazing KAKUNA i'm dead, don't bother contacting me Last edited by TM13IceBeam; Sep 20th, 2012 at 1:52:27 PM.

Sep 20th, 2012, 3:40:58 PM	#89
callforjudgement Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 300	I actually thought stats cap at +8 in PMD. (Tested by spamming Bulk Up in Zero Isle South when I was about to use a Max Elixir.) Also, Movement Speed doesn't normally give bonus attacks; you can only attack once (twice with Unburden) in a turn. However, possibly due to a glitch, if your Movement Speed increases in a turn, you get to move again, so Drifblim does get eight attacks per turn the first time. Only two on subsequent rounds, but by then it's probably too late. Escape Orb is overkill for escaping from them, by the way. We're assuming you aren't in range to throw items over than Gravelerocks, but there are several room-affecting orbs that would work: Petrify Orb, Sleep Orb, Foe-Seal Orb, Foe-Fear Orb. (Probably also Confuse Orb; a confused Drifblim will hit itself as well as you with Ominous Wind, and it's likely to KO itself before it KOs you.) There are also seeds that would let you escape if eaten: Warp Seed (probably), Pure Seed (almost definitely, unless the stairs are in the room). Finally, you could use Teleport or Protect. And yes, I've noticed that the damage formula is different. Base Power seems to have some effect, but it's very small. Defence stages also work differently: a couple of Bulk Ups can bring Bullet Seed's damage from 30 or so down to 1 or 2, which is definitely impossible in the main series games. __________________ Pokémon spinoffs: Ranger You freak out when you hear a Clamperl; Mystery Dungeon You freak out when you see a Ledian. <Sunflora> So let me get this straight: you're sending me into a dungeon full of lava, to capture a Haunter which is part poison type?

Sep 20th, 2012, 3:53:23 PM	#90
TM13IceBeam Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,246 stuck in the past, locked in the present, banned from the future	i'm pretty sure i was able to charge my shinx 10 times though o.O Also other orbs are generally situational: the only Orbs I ever find myself bothering to carry are Escape, Foe-Seal (or whatever, the one that petrifies everything on the floor) and Itemizer, and sometimes I forget to use the latter >.> F-S is the only orb other than Escape and Itemizer worth using, but it's also rare compared to Escape. Besides, you can grind for Escape Orbs in Marowak Dojo lol __________________ Start of turn 24 Natu used Grass Knot! It's super effective! The foe's Corsola lost 31% of its health! Riolu ftw Amazing Rotom-S is amazing KAKUNA i'm dead, don't bother contacting me

Sep 22nd, 2012, 5:13:13 AM	#91
JSND Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 877 Indonesia	Shinx ? Ergh i got Riolu and decided to go with it.... __________________ I use Deoxys-D before it was cool Yet i still use Torterra in OU

Sep 22nd, 2012, 5:22:00 AM	#92
Blace Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 11 Smogon, being the resident lurking nublet.	The graphics are amazing and I love Mystery Dungeon. (Even though I haven't played past Red Rescue Team, lol.) Hopefully I can grab a 3DS before this comes out in English. __________________ Something bad waiting to happen.

Sep 29th, 2012, 11:31:34 PM	#95
Pika25 Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 978 Texas (loetke's home)	Moreover, you cannot use Escape Orb if you are branded a thief by the Kecleon after stealing from their shop, unless you use a Pitfall trap or the stairs to move to the next floor. One very important reason for staying close to them while trying to recruit one of those bastards... __________________ Pikachu pwns Groudon, Kyogre, and Rayquaza! Pikachu used Grass Knot! Groudon fainted! Pikachu used Thunder! Kyogre fainted! Pikachu used (ice) Hidden Power! Rayquaza fainted! Pikachu is the winner! (Smogon's Damage Calculator to Verify!) YouTube, My Pokécheck Box, My Scramble Compendium

Nov 2nd, 2012, 3:54:24 AM	#96
Kecleon352 Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 37 I'm everywhere!	I'm stoked for the new Mystery Dungeon. I'd love to start off as Snivy. :D My favorite game was Explorers of Sky because of the new features in the game, like the Spinda Cafe, for example. I always enjoyed watching Spinda spinning around while making the juice. And when I won with the Prize Ticket at Wynaut's Recycling... For some reason when I played PMD, I always got Pikachu. But sometimes I've also gotten Shinx & Riolu. I've had my partner be Skitty & Vulpix & Riolu (when I wasn't). If there was one Pokémon who I wish I could've gotten, it's Kecleon. I'm both sad and happy that Kecleon is such an ultimate Pokémon. I'm happy because, since Kecleon is my favorite Pokémon, it's great to see him as he is, but I'm sad because it's nearly impossible to recruit him. I'm just hoping that it'll be easier to recruit him in the new game. <fingers crossed>

Nov 2nd, 2012, 11:18:21 AM	#99
flojoetheteddiursa Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 15	This is the place that I have been looking for. This is where I will post what I have been in each of the games. Red Rescue team-Eevee Exploerers of time-Munchlax Explorers of Darkness-Turtwig Exploerers of Sky-Riolu. SO MUCH BADASSERY IN TIME AND SKY

Nov 6th, 2012, 11:51:48 PM	#100
JacobNinja Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 171	I recall getting my 8th Kecleon on my first attempt in RRT, I did the game more or less entirely with skitty/delcatty. It gets double slap early, which factoring in the OP-ness of multihit moves is incredibly powerful. I think I had maybe 6 Ginsengs on it and could ohko Kecleons. Also, Kecleon was great in joyous tower __________________ this world is not real WAKE UP