[BW OU] Dance with me under this Heavy Rain

Leonheart · Sep 15th, 2012, 7:53:18 AM

So, hello everyone, I'm new here in Smogon Forum, and...Yeah, I'm pretty bad at Pokémon, so I need your help to rate and possibly fix my Rain Team.
Thank you :)

Politoed (M) @ Choice Specs

Trait: Drizzle

EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd

Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)

- Hydro Pump

- Ice Beam

- Hidden Power [Grass]

- Focus Blast

SpecsToed is really nice, I've tried it. STAB Hydro Pump Specsed under rain makes an enormous damage, so it's even better than the other coverage moves, unless I have to make a x4 attack. Ice Beam for Dragons, like Dragonite and Salamence, and not much else; as I said before, Hydro Pump is better. HP [Grass] takes out guys like Gastrodon, Quagsire, and...Why not? Wiscash. Focus Blast 2HKOs Ferrothorn.

Jirachi @ Leftovers

Trait: Serene Grace

EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef

Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)

- Thunder

- Iron Head

- Wish

- Stealth Rock

Jirachi is really good under the rain; Thunder gets 100% accuracy and makes parahax, and then i put the flinching Iron freaking Head. Stealth Rock is its best move on a switch, and Wish recovers its teammates. It's a pity it has got a low Attack, but defenses are more important, for it.

Gastrodon (M) @ Leftovers

Trait: Storm Drain

EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef

Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd)

- Scald

- Earthquake

- Recover

- Toxic

It's great. It absorbs every Water type attack, and almost anything that could damage Gyarados and Politoed with its majestic typing. With Scald it creeps physical Attackers, and with Toxic provides to wallbreak. EQ is for Magnezone and friends, and Recover...Well...You know it.

Gyarados (F) @ Leftovers

Trait: Intimidate

EVs: 176 HP / 120 Atk / 212 Spe

Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

- Substitute

- Dragon Dance

- Waterfall

- Bounce

This is my favourite anti-Mamoswine sweeper.
Substitute is a safe shield for StatUpping with Dragon Dance; Waterfall is the main STAB, and it reaches an insane power level after one or two boosts. Bounce is for guys like other Gyarados, or Dragonite, something like that.

Breloom (F) @ Fight Gem

Trait: Technician

EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd

Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)

- Spore

- Swords Dance

- Bullet Seed

- Mach Punch

Techniloom is epicly perfect. It has got Spore, a 100% accuracy sleeping inducing move, and Swords Dance, the best attack boosting move. Than it's got access to Mach Punch+Technician+Fight Gem, that after an SD is incredibly powerful. Even Bullet Seed is useful, thanks to SD+Technician, and provides to kill Gengar and company.

Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf

Trait: Levitate
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 HP / 252 Spd

Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)

- Draco Meteor

- Trick

- Thunder

- Surf

So, this is my revengekiller, Latios. He's got Draco Meteor, that crashes everything that doesn't resist it...More or less...Let's go on. There's Thunder, very useful under the rain, and even Surf finds an utility here. Finally, Trick creeps gusys like Chansey and Ferrothorn.

Okay, that's all. I'm italian, so I don't speak English very well. I'm sorry.

PDC · Sep 15th, 2012, 4:18:28 PM

Hey, cool team you got here.

First thing I notice is that you have a little strange Gyarados EV spread, which does not provide really any bonus offensively. Instead, I suggest trying out a different spread of 176 HP / 120 Atk / 212 Spe Adamant instead of your current Gyarados. Not much nitpicking to do here really, as the team seems like you have a good sense of EVs, moves, and other mechanics.

Not much I can really change otherwise, good luck!

Dr Ciel · Sep 15th, 2012, 6:10:18 PM

Hi there and welcome to Smogon! I've always been a fan of rain teams ever since Politoed got Drizzle, despite me being a weatherless player for most of my competitive battling career. Anyways, let's take a good look at this team and see what I can suggest. I can't really find any real problems with the team, but I do have a couple of nitpicks in your sets and EV spreads, so let's take a look at your sets and let's see what can change and what can stay. Firstly, I suggest that you give Expert Belt Latios a try over your current one. Due to the versatility of Latios, it can turn into a deadly late game sweeper, so it's worth a shot. Again, you have a good sense of what you're doing, so I have nothing else to say here. Have fun and good luck with your team!

Latios

~Dr Ciel~

Alexander. · Sep 15th, 2012, 6:22:13 PM

Hello and welcome. Some advice: use body slam > thunder on your jirachi for thundurus-t, it can give you many problems if it has grass knot and use a fight gem or life orb, as you prefer, on your breloom for have more power. Leftovers are useless imo for a sweeper like breloom.

Leonheart · Sep 16th, 2012, 1:31:34 AM

Thank You guys, I'll try them out.

Ghostbone · Sep 16th, 2012, 1:49:36 AM

Hmm, I have a couple of suggestions.
While body slam does hit thundurus, you already have gastrodon who takes it on pretty comfortbly (grass knot is pretty rare afaik) so imo thunder is better for the power and coverage, but it's up to your personal preference.

Perish song on specstoed seems weird, as you're not fast enough or bulky enough to take advantag of it imo, focus blast is nice there instead for the 2HKO on ferrothorn.

Your team does lack a scarfer so I think latios would work better with that, plus you can cripple chansey blissey and ferrothorn, with trick rather than hitting the blobs with psyshock (which is relatively weak) and being helpless against ferrothorn.

Leonheart · Sep 17th, 2012, 7:59:29 AM

I was thinking about...Water Pulse>Iron Head on Jirachi...?
And what about Keldeo or Tornadus-T?

Sep 15th, 2012, 7:53:18 AM	#1
Leonheart Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 5 Senigallia, Italy	[BW OU] Dance with me under this Heavy Rain So, hello everyone, I'm new here in Smogon Forum, and...Yeah, I'm pretty bad at Pokémon, so I need your help to rate and possibly fix my Rain Team. Thank you :) Politoed (M) @ Choice Specs Trait: Drizzle EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk) - Hydro Pump - Ice Beam - Hidden Power [Grass] - Focus Blast SpecsToed is really nice, I've tried it. STAB Hydro Pump Specsed under rain makes an enormous damage, so it's even better than the other coverage moves, unless I have to make a x4 attack. Ice Beam for Dragons, like Dragonite and Salamence, and not much else; as I said before, Hydro Pump is better. HP [Grass] takes out guys like Gastrodon, Quagsire, and...Why not? Wiscash. Focus Blast 2HKOs Ferrothorn. Jirachi @ Leftovers Trait: Serene Grace EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd) - Thunder - Iron Head - Wish - Stealth Rock Jirachi is really good under the rain; Thunder gets 100% accuracy and makes parahax, and then i put the flinching Iron freaking Head. Stealth Rock is its best move on a switch, and Wish recovers its teammates. It's a pity it has got a low Attack, but defenses are more important, for it. Gastrodon (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Storm Drain EVs: 252 HP / 4 SAtk / 252 SDef Sassy Nature (+SDef, -Spd) - Scald - Earthquake - Recover - Toxic It's great. It absorbs every Water type attack, and almost anything that could damage Gyarados and Politoed with its majestic typing. With Scald it creeps physical Attackers, and with Toxic provides to wallbreak. EQ is for Magnezone and friends, and Recover...Well...You know it. Gyarados (F) @ Leftovers Trait: Intimidate EVs: 176 HP / 120 Atk / 212 Spe Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Substitute - Dragon Dance - Waterfall - Bounce This is my favourite anti-Mamoswine sweeper. Substitute is a safe shield for StatUpping with Dragon Dance; Waterfall is the main STAB, and it reaches an insane power level after one or two boosts. Bounce is for guys like other Gyarados, or Dragonite, something like that. Breloom (F) @ Fight Gem Trait: Technician EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk) - Spore - Swords Dance - Bullet Seed - Mach Punch Techniloom is epicly perfect. It has got Spore, a 100% accuracy sleeping inducing move, and Swords Dance, the best attack boosting move. Than it's got access to Mach Punch+Technician+Fight Gem, that after an SD is incredibly powerful. Even Bullet Seed is useful, thanks to SD+Technician, and provides to kill Gengar and company. Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf Trait: Levitate EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 HP / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Draco Meteor - Trick - Thunder - Surf So, this is my revengekiller, Latios. He's got Draco Meteor, that crashes everything that doesn't resist it...More or less...Let's go on. There's Thunder, very useful under the rain, and even Surf finds an utility here. Finally, Trick creeps gusys like Chansey and Ferrothorn. Okay, that's all. I'm italian, so I don't speak English very well. I'm sorry. Last edited by Leonheart; Sep 16th, 2012 at 2:16:40 AM. Reason: fixed

Sep 15th, 2012, 4:18:28 PM	#2
PDC A coward dies a thousand deaths, a soldier dies but one Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 609	Hey, cool team you got here. First thing I notice is that you have a little strange Gyarados EV spread, which does not provide really any bonus offensively. Instead, I suggest trying out a different spread of 176 HP / 120 Atk / 212 Spe Adamant instead of your current Gyarados. Not much nitpicking to do here really, as the team seems like you have a good sense of EVs, moves, and other mechanics. Not much I can really change otherwise, good luck! __________________ Leave me a visitor message if you want me to rate your team!

Sep 15th, 2012, 6:10:18 PM	#3
Dr Ciel When I walk these streets, A loaded six string on my back, I play for keeps, 'Cause I might not make it back Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 648 Brooklyn, New York	Hi there and welcome to Smogon! I've always been a fan of rain teams ever since Politoed got Drizzle, despite me being a weatherless player for most of my competitive battling career. Anyways, let's take a good look at this team and see what I can suggest. I can't really find any real problems with the team, but I do have a couple of nitpicks in your sets and EV spreads, so let's take a look at your sets and let's see what can change and what can stay. Firstly, I suggest that you give Expert Belt Latios a try over your current one. Due to the versatility of Latios, it can turn into a deadly late game sweeper, so it's worth a shot. Again, you have a good sense of what you're doing, so I have nothing else to say here. Have fun and good luck with your team! Latios Latios @ Expert Belt Lv. 100 -- Levitate Nature: Timid - EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Surf Thunder Draco Meteor Psyshock ~Dr Ciel~ __________________ PM or VM me for an OU rate!

Sep 16th, 2012, 1:31:34 AM	#5
Leonheart Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 5 Senigallia, Italy	Thank You guys, I'll try them out. Last edited by mostwanted; Sep 16th, 2012 at 1:57:29 AM.

Sep 17th, 2012, 7:59:29 AM	#7
Leonheart Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 5 Senigallia, Italy	I was thinking about...Water Pulse>Iron Head on Jirachi...? And what about Keldeo or Tornadus-T? __________________ My RMT

Sep 15th, 2012, 6:22:13 PM	#4
Alexander. Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 1,139	Hello and welcome. Some advice: use body slam > thunder on your jirachi for thundurus-t, it can give you many problems if it has grass knot and use a fight gem or life orb, as you prefer, on your breloom for have more power. Leftovers are useless imo for a sweeper like breloom.

Sep 16th, 2012, 1:49:36 AM	#6
Ghostbone Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 51	Hmm, I have a couple of suggestions. While body slam does hit thundurus, you already have gastrodon who takes it on pretty comfortbly (grass knot is pretty rare afaik) so imo thunder is better for the power and coverage, but it's up to your personal preference. Perish song on specstoed seems weird, as you're not fast enough or bulky enough to take advantag of it imo, focus blast is nice there instead for the 2HKO on ferrothorn. Your team does lack a scarfer so I think latios would work better with that, plus you can cripple chansey blissey and ferrothorn, with trick rather than hitting the blobs with psyshock (which is relatively weak) and being helpless against ferrothorn.