NU and RU Pokemon in UU - Page 3

~~A dude~~ · Sep 26th, 2012, 8:18:59 PM

Charizard kills Darmanitan and Victini with Earthquake. Kingdra is not a fire type. Yes, I have tried it.

SpareAacount · Sep 26th, 2012, 8:48:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat A dude

Charizard kills Darmanitan and Victini with Earthquake. Kingdra is not a fire type. Yes, I have tried it.

I don't think he meant the matchup Charizard had against Darmanitan and Victini. He says they are better physical fire types than Charizard. Kingdra doesn't need the large amount of support, unlike Charizard, who has to always pack a spinner. He was trying to say that Kingdra is in general a better set-up sweeper, and that Darmanitan and Victini are better physical Fire types.

DestinyUnknown · Sep 27th, 2012, 9:22:15 AM

SpareAacount hit the nail on the head. I was saying that Darmanitan and Victini are better as Fire-type offensive pokemon both at wallbreaking and sweeping, due to their superior stats and typing. And I mentioned Kingdra because it's a better Dragon Dance user thanks to much superior typing, both ofensively and defensively, better bulk and general versatility. Kingdra also requires much less support to work than Charizard (and Darmanitan/Victini need less support too)

Joshers · Sep 29th, 2012, 6:14:56 PM

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but victreebel gets weather ball, so you can use that over HP fire for a different HP like rock or something. Also, IIRC weather ball in the sun is 100 BP? I'm not sure though.

SpareAacount · Sep 29th, 2012, 6:50:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Joshers

I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but victreebel gets weather ball, so you can use that over HP fire for a different HP like rock or something. Also, IIRC weather ball in the sun is 100 BP? I'm not sure though.

Yes, Victreebel gets Weather Ball, and it is 100 BP Fire attack in the Sun. But the OP has Power Whip as an attack, which is illegal with Weather Ball. Leaf Blade is an option, but it does have a huge drop in power. It's in the OP on why they picked HP Fire, so that's where they mention this.

EDIT: I was making it clear to Joshers that Victreebel cannot learn Weather Ball and Power Whip on the same moveset, because he may have thought that people forgot that Victreebel gets Weather Ball, because the OP has a mixed set with Power Whip and HP Fire.

I'll think about what I want to list later.

Pokemazter · Sep 29th, 2012, 9:54:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat SpareAacount

Yes, Victreebel gets Weather Ball, and it is 100 BP Fire attack in the Sun. But the OP has Power Whip as an attack, which is illegal with Weather Ball. Leaf Blade is an option, but it does have a huge drop in power. It's in the OP on why they picked HP Fire, so that's where they mention this.

I'll think about what I want to list later.

Typically, however, if you're running Weather Ball, chances are, you're running a Special set. Do note that the analysis for Victreebel is outdated, and that upon revision would probably have only a Physical and Special set. And hell, if its that big of an issue, Leaf Blade has 30 less Base Power but has the increased Critical-hit ratio, giving it increased potential for base 180.

Texas Cloverleaf · Sep 30th, 2012, 12:11:37 AM

Just saying but you should never go physical on Victreebel. It doesn't have enough coverage to work with it. Your options should be mixed or special. With a special set and the lack of weather manipulation you will want to run Solarbeam/Weather Ball/Sludge Bomb/Growth which allows Victreebel to OHKO almost everything after rocks. However in UU you actually have some good special walls such as Snorlax so a mixed set of Leaf Blade/Weather Ball/Sludge Bomb/Growth is ideal, to KO the special walls. EVs are also easy to tailor to an ideal spread thanks to the Honkcalculator. Literally the only thing a physical set has going for it is Sucker Punch, which isnt enough when your coverage is Grass/Normal/Dark.

tl;dr, use Victreebel on Sun, its a boss; dont use physical sets, only special or mixed

Silvershadow234 · Sep 30th, 2012, 3:09:14 AM

Leaf Blade is certainly usable on Victreebel, and weather ball does get the 1HKO on Roserade. However, you lose out on a lot of power vs. Chandelure and Snorlax, so keep that in mind. I generally try to weaken both of these before I sweep with Victreebel(seriously, try Victreebel out, and Sawsbuck-they destroy offensive teams with ease).

Silvershadow234 · Oct 13th, 2012, 3:44:16 PM

Added SubWisp Rotom to the list. I'll be adding Hitmonlee and Braviary tomorrow as well, and if you have had success in the UU challenge post your sets here(as long as they are RU or NU, obviously).

Sep 27th, 2012, 9:22:15 AM	#53
DestinyUnknown Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 1,100 Spain	SpareAacount hit the nail on the head. I was saying that Darmanitan and Victini are better as Fire-type offensive pokemon both at wallbreaking and sweeping, due to their superior stats and typing. And I mentioned Kingdra because it's a better Dragon Dance user thanks to much superior typing, both ofensively and defensively, better bulk and general versatility. Kingdra also requires much less support to work than Charizard (and Darmanitan/Victini need less support too) __________________

Sep 30th, 2012, 12:11:37 AM	#57
Texas Cloverleaf meh Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 5,350 Ottawa	Just saying but you should never go physical on Victreebel. It doesn't have enough coverage to work with it. Your options should be mixed or special. With a special set and the lack of weather manipulation you will want to run Solarbeam/Weather Ball/Sludge Bomb/Growth which allows Victreebel to OHKO almost everything after rocks. However in UU you actually have some good special walls such as Snorlax so a mixed set of Leaf Blade/Weather Ball/Sludge Bomb/Growth is ideal, to KO the special walls. EVs are also easy to tailor to an ideal spread thanks to the Honkcalculator. Literally the only thing a physical set has going for it is Sucker Punch, which isnt enough when your coverage is Grass/Normal/Dark. tl;dr, use Victreebel on Sun, its a boss; dont use physical sets, only special or mixed __________________ C&C/Smog work

Sep 30th, 2012, 3:09:14 AM	#58
Silvershadow234 is MANLY Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 427 England	Leaf Blade is certainly usable on Victreebel, and weather ball does get the 1HKO on Roserade. However, you lose out on a lot of power vs. Chandelure and Snorlax, so keep that in mind. I generally try to weaken both of these before I sweep with Victreebel(seriously, try Victreebel out, and Sawsbuck-they destroy offensive teams with ease). __________________ <&imanalt> i woudl fuck my cat, but my dick is bigger than she is iSkylight I think I find ducks sexually appealing idek CherubAgent I got a fleshlight from my friends as a present once CherubAgent I didnt need to share that did i VM or PM me for a BW2 UU / RU rate

Oct 13th, 2012, 3:44:16 PM	#59
Silvershadow234 is MANLY Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 427 England	Added SubWisp Rotom to the list. I'll be adding Hitmonlee and Braviary tomorrow as well, and if you have had success in the UU challenge post your sets here(as long as they are RU or NU, obviously). __________________ <&imanalt> i woudl fuck my cat, but my dick is bigger than she is iSkylight I think I find ducks sexually appealing idek CherubAgent I got a fleshlight from my friends as a present once CherubAgent I didnt need to share that did i VM or PM me for a BW2 UU / RU rate

Sep 26th, 2012, 8:18:59 PM	#51
~~A dude~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 188	Charizard kills Darmanitan and Victini with Earthquake. Kingdra is not a fire type. Yes, I have tried it.

Sep 29th, 2012, 6:14:56 PM	#54
Joshers Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 3 California	I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but victreebel gets weather ball, so you can use that over HP fire for a different HP like rock or something. Also, IIRC weather ball in the sun is 100 BP? I'm not sure though.