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Old Oct 1st, 2012, 6:40:20 AM   #1
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Rated Ubers


Lead Usage


Metagame Analysis


Moveset Analysis

August Stats

The stats are back and this time we've broken our all time record and reached a whooping 34000 battles in a month. Thats a near 10000 battles more than last month. Lets keep going guys! Antar has been kind enough to include a 3 month combined stats showing us the OU of Ubers. This will provide an unique insight to the Uber metagame.

OU of Ubers


Finally a note from Antar regarding the metagame analysis:

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Old Oct 1st, 2012, 7:30:08 AM   #2
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| 15 | Arceus-Ghost | 8577 | 12.415% | 6504 | 11.785% |
| 16 | Giratina | 8529 | 12.345% | 6561 | 11.888% |
WHAT SORT OF SPINBLOCKER CHAOS IS GOING ON HERE -_-. Ok shift of spin blocker dominance is obvious, and Giratina-o feels very sad now. Lol though, just look at how neck and neck these too are in usage competition.

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| 21 | Zekrom | 7561 | 10.944% | 5498 | 9.962% |
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| 26 | Kyurem-Black | 5578 | 8.074% | 4136 | 7.494% |
I know Zekrom has a niche but I feel that this really shows how underwhelming K-black can be sometimes (unless Hclaw mix which is epic btw).

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Leftovers 28.996%
That really explains these Thunder Wave Kyogres, no seriously, I mean look at how much Choice Scarf declined in usage
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Old Oct 1st, 2012, 7:32:44 AM   #3
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| 15 | Arceus-Ghost | 8577 | 12.415% | 6504 | 11.785% |
| 16 | Giratina | 8529 | 12.345% | 6561 | 11.888% |
WHAT SORT OF SPINBLOCKER CHAOS IS GOING ON HERE -_-. Ok shift of spin blocker dominance is obvious, and Giratina-o feels very sad now. Lol though, just look at how neck and neck these too are in usage competition.
I think people are again realizing the sheer destructiveness of Arceus-Ghost. A CM set has hardly checks to be honest and most can be beaten down quite easily. I've been using one with offensive investment instead of dumping it all in hp and to say the least I'm very very impressed with how it's performing with proper support. Its like a spin blocker, general glue, and sweeper all rolled into one.
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Old Oct 1st, 2012, 12:21:38 PM   #4
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I do like how Genesect is only at 31 on the 3-month listing. It shows how very underrated it is (in my own humble opinion of course.)

41% Kyogre is still a bit crazy though. I think the only teams NOT using one are dedicated Sun/Sand Teams, or those off-teams you see that have only 1 or 2 Uber Tier pokemon, at least that has been my experience. Although Leftovers Kyogre is surprising to me. I would have thought Specs usage more, but I guess CM+3 is also a very good set to be in these days, seeing a Kyogre isn't leading much unless it's a Scarf set, giving it time to set up at least once usually.

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I think people are again realizing the sheer destructiveness of Arceus-Ghost. A CM set has hardly checks to be honest and most can be beaten down quite easily. I've been using one with offensive investment instead of dumping it all in hp and to say the least I'm very very impressed with how it's performing with proper support. Its like a spin blocker, general glue, and sweeper all rolled into one.
GhostCeus is exactly why my ekiller runs Shadow Force on its 4th slot. Well, that and Great Wall Lugia. It's a very real threat in Ubers, even against Hyper-Offense.
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| 15 | Arceus-Ghost | 8577 | 12.415% | 6504 | 11.785% |
| 16 | Giratina | 8529 | 12.345% | 6561 | 11.888% |

Actually Mr.Lol, what you say isnt exactly true. Notice how close they are? The difference is less than 50 here. There is a user named Damo in PS. You will often find him online. He plays many hours everyday. He has over 1500+ battles in september and his team had a Swords Dance Shadow Force Ghost-Arceus in it. You can pm him to confirm this.
For reference: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3472962 and http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3472202
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Old Oct 1st, 2012, 6:05:08 PM   #6
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Actually Mr.Lol, what you say isnt exactly true. Notice how close they are? The difference is less than 50 here. There is a user named Damo in PS. You will often find him online. He plays many hours everyday. He has over 1500+ battles in september and his team had a Swords Dance Shadow Force Ghost-Arceus in it. You can pm him to confirm this.
Wait what, I was referring to spin blocker dominance shifting from Gira-O to other stuff. What once used to be the most common spin blocker in the game is now the least common (well I don't consider Froslass to be a "spinblocker", its longevity is hilarious and spinners beat it down in a few hits, even worse, its almost ALWAYS a suicide lead (lol), I'm referring to BW1 period also, tina-a has been shown dominating more that Ghost Arceus, that is until now at least..).
That does make sense though, I didn't realize people could skew data, that must be what happened with gastrodon a lot earlier when it had that 43+ ranking rise.

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I think people are again realizing the sheer destructiveness of Arceus-Ghost. A CM set has hardly checks to be honest and most can be beaten down quite easily. I've been using one with offensive investment instead of dumping it all in hp and to say the least I'm very very impressed with how it's performing with proper support. Its like a spin blocker, general glue, and sweeper all rolled into one.
Yeah but its also the only one of the three spin blockers that gets beat down by Kabutops, it doesn't exactly enjoy coming into Excadrill (although that case can be applied to Giratina-O too). Recover DOES migitate this a lot though. Maybe its just me but Kabutops and Excadrill have been scaring me from using that. However, the hype they did have calmed down, so maybe that's why they started increasing in usage again.
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Old Oct 1st, 2012, 7:10:55 PM   #7
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| 91 | Charizard | 516 | 0.747% | 414 | 0.750% |
Why.

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| 96 | Aron | 437 | 0.633% | 343 | 0.622% |
Why.

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| 173 | Serperior | 106 | 0.153% | 90 | 0.163% |
Why.

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| 135 | Pikachu | 206 | 0.298% | 183 | 0.332% |
Mother of god.

This is why we can't have a nice ladder.

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| 3 | Groudon | 16258 | 23.532% | 14330 | 25.965% |
You have an Ice-type with a Fire-type move. Regen Ho-Oh exists. Latias has her Soul Dew back. Oh well, at least it's in the top 3.

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| 24 | Shaymin-Sky | 5718 | 8.276% | 4317 | 7.822% |
Does "Top ParaFlincher" ring a bell?

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| 29 | Manaphy | 3913 | 5.664% | 2836 | 5.139% |
Tail Glow for HO, Calm Mind for stall. I don't see how this is even being debated.

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| 64 | Metagross | 959 | 1.388% | 819 | 1.484% |
I'm just going to assume that a Shift Gear Metagross got released and I didn't notice.
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Old Oct 1st, 2012, 7:25:56 PM   #8
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All I want to say:

| 26 | Kyurem-Black | 5578 | 8.074% | 4136 | 7.494% |
| 40 | Dragonite | 1570 | 2.272% | 1299 | 2.354% |
| 54 | Salamence | 1201 | 1.738% | 933 | 1.691% |

WHAT. HOW. WHEN.
I mean seriously, I can sorta understand understand Kyurem-B being used over Mence (I still think 100 Speed + Moxie > 170 Atk + Ice type) but seriously WHY DO PEOPLE USE NITE!? It's horribly outclassed by Quaza, plus Mence has that awesome ScarfMoxie combo. Just because something happens in OU doesn't mean it carries out to Ubers >_>

| 68 | Lucario | 854 | 1.236% | 707 | 1.281% |
| 78 | Arceus-Ground | 653 | 0.945% | 509 | 0.922% |
| 86 | Arceus-Ice | 549 | 0.795% | 410 | 0.743% |

*Raises hands in the air*
Okay, I'm done. Done. Done Done Done Done. Done. I can't usage stats seriously anymore if two awesome Arceus formes (Well, Ice is tricky to use tbh) are receiving less usage than LUCARIO. Yeah, there is species clause, but the point is, WHY are people using Lucario. WHY.
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Old Oct 2nd, 2012, 3:11:53 PM   #9
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| 200 | Primeape | 85 | 0.123% | 75 | 0.136% |
I think thats all me lol. #1 Darkrai counter.

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| 36 | Thundurus | 2472 | 3.578% | 1998 | 3.620% |
I'm fairly new to following stats and tier changes closely, but with usage this low will it go down to OU? Probably been discussed and/or tested and I've missed it so sorry if so. Either way I've used it a few times and found it very useful.
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Old Oct 2nd, 2012, 3:32:13 PM   #10
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Warning: Depressing facts ahead.

Why.
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Old Oct 2nd, 2012, 4:18:16 PM   #11
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Johnathan you seem like someone pretty new to the Ubers meta.

The best Darkrai counter, from theorymoning and looking through on-site stuff, is anything that can tank Dark-Fighting Special coverage and can either outspeed and KO back or have Sleep Talk so it can still do something while Darkrai put it to sleep, such as Kyogre or Heracross. Primeape, tmk, is rather frail and can't do too much outside of that without getting outclassed by stuff like Terrakion.

Also, the Ubers metagame is not at all based on usage. Instead, it contains Pokemon that are instead banned from OU because they are either too powerful, over-centralize the game, or in any way take the fun out of OU, essentially a BL0. It's fun to play Ubers, though, because all of these overpowered mons are all crammed together into one place for utterly insane, yet awesome, battles. If it really was based on usage, we could expect stuff like Deoxys-N and Arceus-Ice to be on literally every OU team.
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Old Oct 3rd, 2012, 1:19:26 PM   #12
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i'm not exactly sure how normal arceus has kept its insanely high spot for a while. I mean it's really good but the stats make it seem like it almost completely overshadows the other formes except Ghost.
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| 16 | Giratina | 8529 | 12.345% | 6561 | 11.888% |
| 22 | Giratina-Origin | 7300 | 10.566% | 5674 | 10.281% |
Ehh...I don't know why Giratina-A is consistently higher than Giratina-O. Okay I suppose Giratina-A counters more stuff and EKiller is extremely common but it generally feels like a sitting duck and a spike/phazebait. It's by no means a bad mon ofc and can fit into teams relatively easily but it just seems...a bit overrated.

Of course I'm probably biased on this but it just seemed more reasonable to use Giratina-O in a spike heavy meta because it takes advantage of them better as well as having Levitate to counteract.

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| 78 | Arceus-Ground | 653 | 0.945% | 509 | 0.922% |
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Something interesting to note by comparing the August/September usage stats is this:

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| 11 | Forretress | 9870 | 18.019%|
| 14 | Excadrill | 7539 | 13.764% |
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| 11 | Forretress | 10862 | 15.722% |
| 12 | Excadrill | 10175 | 14.728% |
Excadrill reduced the difference from 4.3% to 1% this month from Forretress in usage. Does this mean that the premiere Rapid Spin user in Ubers is going to get deprived of his throne? Seems pretty likely to me, the most notable thing Forry has over Excadrill is setting up hazards and Excadrill isn't the set-up bait Forretress is at times. And before you talk about bulk and how Excadrill is mostly an offensive spinner, check this out (from Excadrill moveset analysis):

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Life Orb 35.833%
Leftovers 31.283%
Air Balloon 17.572%
Leftovers is at 31%, which is pretty close to Life Orb and while Air Balloon is at 17%, I feel like the superior option for offensive Excadrill is Life Orb in most cases, since the increase in power is pretty significant and much needed. Which means that Bulky Excadrill is starting to become a thing and at this point, I feel like we will be seeing a lot more Excadrill action and MAYBE the mole will be able to get past Forretress in usage in month October.
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Old Oct 3rd, 2012, 7:54:10 PM   #14
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At least Charizard came down this month =)
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| 1 | Kyogre | 28597 | 41.392% | 24367 | 44.152% |

I'm keeping a mental note of this because a few days ago there was a guy on PS! called GOML Ubers trying to get Rattatta to be #1 in Ubers. I must make sure that said PS! person does not succeed in that.

That said, the King of Ubers deserves all the respect he gets from being #1 on the usage stats.

| 17 | Ho-Oh | 8406 | 12.167% | 6684 | 12.111% |

I guess I need to get back into the Ubers Circuit. Ho-Oh is a good Regenerator-using Pokemon.

| 23 | Garchomp | 6361 | 9.207% | 4903 | 8.884% |

*sighs* I get the feeling people are just going to use him in OU such that his usage plummets. I hope he gets rebanned to Ubers, honestly.

| 51 | Hippowdon | 1251 | 1.811% | 1121 | 2.031% |

Huh? I thought Abomasnow would get more usage in Ubers than Hippowdon thanks to the Kyurem brothers. I guess Kyurem-W's busy dunking nooblords on his own?

| 53 | Arceus-Fighting | 1211 | 1.753% | 935 | 1.694% |

I should try Arceus-Fighting. I'm often finding myself too busy using either Arceus-Poison for Toxic Spikes absorption or Arceus-Ghost for "lol Spinblocker"

| 57 | Arceus-Water | 1092 | 1.581% | 839 | 1.520% |

Why would you use Arceus-Water when you have Arceus-Poison for Toxic Spikes absorption, among other Arcei who don't scream "OUTCLASSED BY KYOGRE"?

| 60 | Ditto | 991 | 1.434% | 800 | 1.450% |

*blinks* Well, as long as it's not Charizard I'm perfectly fine. I wish Ditto got more cred in the lower tiers so its presence in here was genuinely less of a surprise.
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