Official Smogon University Simulator Statistics — September 2012 - Page 6

***Antar**** · Oct 3rd, 2012, 4:18:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ScraftyIsTheBest

| 50 | Zoroark | 6916 | 4.933% | 1218 | 1.048% |

Now I know I asked this before, but does anyone have an idea why there is such a huge difference between Zoroark's Actual Use and Real Use?

Yes. If Zoroark appears on the field disguised as another Pokemon, the log reader doesn't realize it's Zoroark. It's a bug I've never bothered fixing.

UltiMario · Oct 3rd, 2012, 4:22:15 PM

Doesn't that mean that some Zoroark use is contributing to the usage stats of other Pokemon? Isn't that a slight problem?

Jobriq · Oct 3rd, 2012, 4:57:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat UltiMario

Doesn't that mean that some Zoroark use is contributing to the usage stats of other Pokemon? Isn't that a slight problem?

I think it would only contribute to the RealUse of other pokemon since they would already have been counted in the ActualUse. It's not a huge deal since the ActualUse is more important for tiering purposes.

***Antar**** · Oct 4th, 2012, 5:47:26 AM

That is correct: RealUse isn't used for anything.

Jukain · Oct 4th, 2012, 7:24:48 AM

blame ambipom on research week.

well, overall, pretty uneventful stats unless you're UU. ~~fuck my baby virizion isn't ou~~ UU got the AWESOME end of the stick though, receiving one of its most support and offensive 'mons back in Mew. I played a bit of UU with it in the tier, and it was just so much fun to use. Virizion is going to have trouble succeeding with Heracross the top dog, but you forget that Virizion is really bulky specially and has a wide movepool, ranging from screens to setup moves to a variety of attacks. Virizion can be a physical sweeper, special sweeper, mixed sweeper, dual screens supporter, pivot due to its many nifty resistances, and more; the possibilities are many. As for Tornadus, let's get some manual rain going with like torn/kingdra/ludi/kabutops and wreck shit. Though BW1 OU Tornadus was scary? It will only be worse in UU.

RU just got fucked really bad by UU: it lost its best spinblocker, physical wall, and one of its best sweepers. That's going to be pretty bad in the RU department, although it will be nice to not have to have a OTR Cofagrigus on every single team. It's gone now, for better or for worse.

I'm hoping that we get some more eventful stats next time around with the hopeful unbanning of non-SV Chomp.

The Silent Storm · Oct 4th, 2012, 8:58:39 AM

Thanks for the stats Antar.

So... anybody has an idea on why Alakazam is in the top 20, while Keldeo it's so low?
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Alakazam is utter trash, Magic Guard is a cool niche (and he's seriously annoying by any means) but I don't think he deserves to be in the top 20.
Also, what is going on with Tornadus-t and Thundurus-t, why are they so low? Tornadus should be at least top 15 (like he was in July) the combination of Hurricane+Supeprower+U-turn+Regenerator is truly, something very scary to face.
Other than that, yikes, sun teams are seriously on the rise, Infernape it's quite antimetagame now, a solid scarfer user in sun teams, a decent response against Gene (beware from Thunder and Thunderbolt, of course), able to kill Salamence and Dragonite at +1 after Rocks, access to U-turn and overall a great coverage.
Also, very interesting to see Salamence taking the Metagame by storm.

Sazandoringlps · Oct 4th, 2012, 12:43:51 PM

| 77 | Charizard | 1.667% |
Charizard is higher then magneton...
i give up loljk
but really people are using Charizard over Magneton in OU when Magneton is far better then Charizard.
| 18 | Gengar | 9.493% |
| 19 | Alakazam | 8.632% |
im surprised that these are as high as they are because of Genesect.

like always thanks Antar for the usage stats.

can someone make a thing of what fell and what rose and whatever please

alkinesthetase · Oct 4th, 2012, 1:08:40 PM

just scroll through the tier lists; any mons that moved are bolded. for the record, i think it was it was mew, tornadus-I, cofag, viriz, melo to UU; stoutland to RU; metang back to NU (lol molk)

Silvershadow234 · Oct 4th, 2012, 1:47:01 PM

How is Magneton better than Charizard? Charizard makes for an awesome sun sweeper with a Scarf, thanks to Solar Power. Magneton meanwhile, is pretty much outclassed from Magnezone, who has more power and better bulk.

Thanks for the stats though Antar.

***Antar**** · Oct 4th, 2012, 1:47:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Sazandoringlps

can someone make a thing of what fell and what rose and whatever please

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Originally Posted by Fat alkinesthetase

just scroll through the tier lists; any mons that moved are bolded. for the record, i think it was it was mew, tornadus-I, cofag, viriz, melo to UU; stoutland to RU; metang back to NU (lol molk)

I make one of these every tier update. Make sure to watch with annotations (you might have to watch on Youtube for those?): I had to record this video a few days early, so there are a few "Dewey Defeats Truman" moments.

/B/utterfree · Oct 5th, 2012, 12:44:38 AM

If it comforts you any, Molk isn't banned from PS! Even if the idea of him being banned was fathomable, his alt(s) would have names so obvious not even TLC would be able to guess incorrectly as to what they would be.

Also, you're mostly accurate in regards to your predictions. Only one or two of 'em were wrong amongst the stat changes I found relevant (OU to UU, UU to RU/RU to UU, RU to NU/NU to RU). I do not care about PU, so once you had NU to PU/PU to NU I just stopped watching the video. Unless Smogon makes PU an actual tier, I have no reason to pay attention to it as it does not affect metagame balance in the other tiers at all.

I still have to balance RU, and thankfully DittoCrow has invited me to a later tourney. I will be keeping watch on the RU Hub for more stuff to happen. Hopefully the "Free anything in a banlist tier" phase will stop soon, for it annoys me to no end that people want to free Garchomp in OU for absolutely no good reason. Not to mention, trying to purge Ambipom out of UU by sending it to a lower tier where it belongs is another key thing I must do in order to secure UU (well, that and hopefully ban Roserade/promote her from UU - Dark Horse just gave me a million-dollar idea with that).

Thunderbolta · Oct 5th, 2012, 3:31:26 PM

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| 213 | Arceus-Flying | 0.101% |

Well. I sure am glad that OU/Uber tiering isn't done by usage...

SHUCKLE MAN · Oct 5th, 2012, 10:57:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Silvershadow234

How is Magneton better than Charizard? Charizard makes for an awesome sun sweeper with a Scarf, thanks to Solar Power. Magneton meanwhile, is pretty much outclassed from Magnezone, who has more power and better bulk.

Thanks for the stats though Antar.

I disagree. If I was given a choice between Charizard and Magneton, and told I had to use one of them and make a team with them to play in OU, I'd definitely choose Magneton.

Dark Fallen Angel · Oct 5th, 2012, 11:12:11 PM

I say that neither is better than each other, as Magneton and Charizard are completely different from each other. Apart from the obvious differences, Magneton is a Steel trapper, while Charizard is a sun sweeper. Although there is something that is true about them; Magneton is usable on any team, while Charizard should only be used on sun teams.

Even so I wouldn't say that Magneton outclasses Charizard or vice-versa, but both are arguably outclassed by something on OU. Magneton by Magnezone, unless you want to outspeed more things that Magnezone cannot, and for Charizard, there are generally better options such as Volcarona, as Charizard is going to die too quickly considering Solar Power recoil and Stealth Rock.

Someoneelse · Oct 6th, 2012, 7:34:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Thunderbolta

Well. I sure am glad that OU/Uber tiering isn't done by usage...

I agree. If so, then the seven Ubers at the bottom of OU would be in UU, with their 0.000%, most having less usage than Klink.

david stone · Oct 7th, 2012, 11:24:25 AM

Do you know when we'll get team mate stats? I was about to make a team builder for Technical Machine, but without those stats the best I can do is just "top 6 Pokemon is your team".

***Antar**** · Oct 7th, 2012, 11:44:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat david stone

Do you know when we'll get team mate stats? I was about to make a team builder for Technical Machine, but without those stats the best I can do is just "top 6 Pokemon is your team".

There was no need to PM me AND make this post.

But the answer is that this is planned for next month along wiith "check/counter" stats.

david stone · Oct 7th, 2012, 11:46:15 AM

I made the post, and then I realized that maybe you don't really read all of the thread after you post the stats, and you'd be the only one who knew.

david stone · Oct 7th, 2012, 2:33:38 PM

I'm writing a full-fledged team builder that will be a component of Technical Machine (but will also just be a stand-alone application). My plan is for it to generate a team based on a few criteria, but also assist in making changes. In other words, you could build your team with it, filling in as much detail as you like, and Technical Machine would then fill in the rest for you. I'm even thinking about stuff like "What effect would changing this EV spread to that EV spread have?" and it would calculate change in physical / special defensiveness.

I have some stats that I would be interested in and would begin using immediately:

Taking into account EVs, nature, and item, what is the exact Speed each Pokemon has? One thing that would be especially useful is an evidence-based approach to Speed. If there are no Pokemon that sit at 237 or 238, then there is no point in me EVing a Pokemon to 238. I want to be able to do something like "For X more EVs, I can outspeed Y% more Pokemon.". I would probably also make some sort of graph showing Speed distribution and post that, so people can see it visually. Perhaps my program could include the graph and display your location on the curve, along with a percentile.

Move set stats that parallel team mate stats. If I have statistics like "On Pikachu, 29% of Pokemon with Thunderbolt also have Surf. 23% have Hidden Power. 13% have Quick Attack.". From that, I could construct a complete move set given any partial set of moves, just as I do for Pokemon prediction. Of course, more "complete" stats would be "Given that I have seen a Pikachu with Thunderbolt on a team with Geodude with Tackle, 28% of Pikachu also have Surf.", but I imagine that those stats would be much, much larger.

drakon136 · Oct 9th, 2012, 12:13:58 AM

I think there's something wrong with the moveset stats.

Latios: 4/0/252/0/252/0 73.977%
Terrakion: 0/252/0/4/252/0 44.636%
Blissey: 252/0/0/4/0/252 26.755%

I don't think those are right...

alkinesthetase · Oct 9th, 2012, 12:15:06 AM

you're misreading it, it's hp / atk / satk / def / spe / sdef iirc

yeah the order is kinda weird >_>

ScraftyIsTheBest · Oct 11th, 2012, 10:20:16 PM

| 33 | Machamp | 10496 | 7.487% | 8724 | 7.504% |

Now I should've brought this up earlier, but why does Machamp still get high usage? Isn't it outclassed by all the oher Fighting-types in the tier? (Heracross, Hitmontop, Scrafty, Mienshao, Cobalion). They have much more speed and much more power, which should pull Machamp into obscurity. No Guard DynamicPunch isn't alot. Machamp..in all homesty...needs to go from UU...Virizion, please help your fellow Fighting-type comrades make Machamp obsolete.

| 16 | Mienshao | 15866 | 11.317% | 13501 | 11.613% |
| 39 | Cobalion | 9484 | 6.765% | 7909 | 6.803% |

You've...got to be kidding me. These two are shockingly low for such amazing Fighting-types, Cobalion is even lower than Machamp. These two really should be higher than they are right now.

| 1 | Heracross | 30116 | 21.482% | 23842 | 20.508% |
| 2 | Chandelure | 28352 | 20.224% | 23581 | 20.283% |
| 3 | Roserade | 23209 | 16.555% | 18946 | 16.297% |

Chandy exceeding Roserade in usage was entirely my doing

| 14 | Terrakion | 64564 | 10.416% | 47456 | 9.440% |

It seems after all the hype with the new toys, Terrakion is slowly making his comeback. Keep it up!

| 126 | Monferno | 1165 | 1.196% | 1024 | 1.276% |

LOL Didn't we get this thing's analysis off site over two months ago?

| 37 | Conkeldurr | 37473 | 6.046% | 29908 | 5.950% |
| 42 | Vaporeon | 33931 | 5.474% | 27069 | 5.385% |

Wait..These two actually get used?! I mean..I'm glad their usage is somewhat high..but I hardly see them.

| 44 | Magnezone | 32760 | 5.285% | 25690 | 5.111% |
| 47 | Metagross | 30310 | 4.890% | 24557 | 4.885% |

Poor Robots :(:(

jrrrrrrr · Oct 12th, 2012, 10:18:21 PM

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lol...Weedle sees usage in suspect OU but Kakuna doesnt =[

Awmgnoob · Oct 13th, 2012, 11:59:09 AM

Cinccino stop being silly and get down from that #1 spot.

Black Lotus · Oct 14th, 2012, 3:22:43 PM

I feel really stupid for asking this because there is either no answer to it or the answer is really obvious, but under Moveset Statistics what is the order in which the EVs are classified.

Example:
I thought Standard was
HP/Attack/Defense/Sp.Attack/Sp.Defense/Speed

Though the Statistics should very strange EV spreads if they were to follow that Standard order.

This is just confusing me to no end.

Oct 4th, 2012, 5:47:26 AM	#129
*Antar That's Dr. Antar to you Super Moderator** Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,052 DC Metro Area	That is correct: RealUse isn't used for anything. __________________ Codes and Hacks I Use PBR FC: 4898-8739-8815 (See here) Black FC: 4040 5386 0128 / White 2 FC: 4771 3664 7215 My Narrated PBR & Gen V Battles My Trade Thread Convert any sim team to pkms Pokemetrics: A Blog

Oct 4th, 2012, 7:24:48 AM	#130
Jukain rip numeros Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,705 somewhere could be anywhere Mentor	blame ambipom on research week. well, overall, pretty uneventful stats unless you're UU. ~~fuck my baby virizion isn't ou~~ UU got the AWESOME end of the stick though, receiving one of its most support and offensive 'mons back in Mew. I played a bit of UU with it in the tier, and it was just so much fun to use. Virizion is going to have trouble succeeding with Heracross the top dog, but you forget that Virizion is really bulky specially and has a wide movepool, ranging from screens to setup moves to a variety of attacks. Virizion can be a physical sweeper, special sweeper, mixed sweeper, dual screens supporter, pivot due to its many nifty resistances, and more; the possibilities are many. As for Tornadus, let's get some manual rain going with like torn/kingdra/ludi/kabutops and wreck shit. Though BW1 OU Tornadus was scary? It will only be worse in UU. RU just got fucked really bad by UU: it lost its best spinblocker, physical wall, and one of its best sweepers. That's going to be pretty bad in the RU department, although it will be nice to not have to have a OTR Cofagrigus on every single team. It's gone now, for better or for worse. I'm hoping that we get some more eventful stats next time around with the hopeful unbanning of non-SV Chomp. __________________ C&C Work \| 1k RMT \| Contribute! \| VM for an OU Rate! \| gp member: vm/pm for a check \| previously pokemon0078 / aka jew-cane

Oct 4th, 2012, 8:58:39 AM	#131
The Silent Storm Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 99	Thanks for the stats Antar. So... anybody has an idea on why Alakazam is in the top 20, while Keldeo it's so low? Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Alakazam is utter trash, Magic Guard is a cool niche (and he's seriously annoying by any means) but I don't think he deserves to be in the top 20. Also, what is going on with Tornadus-t and Thundurus-t, why are they so low? Tornadus should be at least top 15 (like he was in July) the combination of Hurricane+Supeprower+U-turn+Regenerator is truly, something very scary to face. Other than that, yikes, sun teams are seriously on the rise, Infernape it's quite antimetagame now, a solid scarfer user in sun teams, a decent response against Gene (beware from Thunder and Thunderbolt, of course), able to kill Salamence and Dragonite at +1 after Rocks, access to U-turn and overall a great coverage. Also, very interesting to see Salamence taking the Metagame by storm. __________________ Gone for good

Oct 4th, 2012, 12:43:51 PM	#132
Sazandoringlps Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 50 Toronto,Ontario,Canada	\| 77 \| Charizard \| 1.667% \| Charizard is higher then magneton... i give up loljk but really people are using Charizard over Magneton in OU when Magneton is far better then Charizard. \| 18 \| Gengar \| 9.493% \| \| 19 \| Alakazam \| 8.632% \| im surprised that these are as high as they are because of Genesect. like always thanks Antar for the usage stats. can someone make a thing of what fell and what rose and whatever please __________________ I Need Some Battles FC:2537 7743 8991 Youtube:http://www.youtube.com/user/Sazandoring

Oct 4th, 2012, 1:08:40 PM	#133
alkinesthetase <MrE> SPIDERS /\/\;,,;/\/\ Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 697 <ala> canadabros is the strongest bros you can be Mentor	just scroll through the tier lists; any mons that moved are bolded. for the record, i think it was it was mew, tornadus-I, cofag, viriz, melo to UU; stoutland to RU; metang back to NU (lol molk) __________________ <%yee> i will summon a spider to kill alkines my massive mafia roles list

Oct 4th, 2012, 1:47:01 PM	#134
Silvershadow234 is MANLY Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 430 England	How is Magneton better than Charizard? Charizard makes for an awesome sun sweeper with a Scarf, thanks to Solar Power. Magneton meanwhile, is pretty much outclassed from Magnezone, who has more power and better bulk. Thanks for the stats though Antar. __________________ <&imanalt> i woudl fuck my cat, but my dick is bigger than she is iSkylight I think I find ducks sexually appealing idek CherubAgent I got a fleshlight from my friends as a present once CherubAgent I didnt need to share that did i VM or PM me for a BW2 UU / RU rate

Oct 5th, 2012, 12:44:38 AM	#136
/B/utterfree Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 464	If it comforts you any, Molk isn't banned from PS! Even if the idea of him being banned was fathomable, his alt(s) would have names so obvious not even TLC would be able to guess incorrectly as to what they would be. Also, you're mostly accurate in regards to your predictions. Only one or two of 'em were wrong amongst the stat changes I found relevant (OU to UU, UU to RU/RU to UU, RU to NU/NU to RU). I do not care about PU, so once you had NU to PU/PU to NU I just stopped watching the video. Unless Smogon makes PU an actual tier, I have no reason to pay attention to it as it does not affect metagame balance in the other tiers at all. I still have to balance RU, and thankfully DittoCrow has invited me to a later tourney. I will be keeping watch on the RU Hub for more stuff to happen. Hopefully the "Free anything in a banlist tier" phase will stop soon, for it annoys me to no end that people want to free Garchomp in OU for absolutely no good reason. Not to mention, trying to purge Ambipom out of UU by sending it to a lower tier where it belongs is another key thing I must do in order to secure UU (well, that and hopefully ban Roserade/promote her from UU - Dark Horse just gave me a million-dollar idea with that).

Oct 5th, 2012, 11:12:11 PM	#139
Dark Fallen Angel No, I do not speak German, but I wish I could. Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 775 ON A GIRL ROOM :3 :3 :3	I say that neither is better than each other, as Magneton and Charizard are completely different from each other. Apart from the obvious differences, Magneton is a Steel trapper, while Charizard is a sun sweeper. Although there is something that is true about them; Magneton is usable on any team, while Charizard should only be used on sun teams. Even so I wouldn't say that Magneton outclasses Charizard or vice-versa, but both are arguably outclassed by something on OU. Magneton by Magnezone, unless you want to outspeed more things that Magnezone cannot, and for Charizard, there are generally better options such as Volcarona, as Charizard is going to die too quickly considering Solar Power recoil and Stealth Rock. __________________ I am a 18 year old guy that lives on Brazil. I have my own desires and goals, for example, I plan to become a voice actor. I also plan to become a mangaka.

Oct 7th, 2012, 11:24:25 AM	#141
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	Do you know when we'll get team mate stats? I was about to make a team builder for Technical Machine, but without those stats the best I can do is just "top 6 Pokemon is your team". __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Oct 7th, 2012, 11:46:15 AM	#143
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	I made the post, and then I realized that maybe you don't really read all of the thread after you post the stats, and you'd be the only one who knew. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Oct 7th, 2012, 2:33:38 PM	#144
david stone Fast-moving, smart, sexy and alarming. Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,152	I'm writing a full-fledged team builder that will be a component of Technical Machine (but will also just be a stand-alone application). My plan is for it to generate a team based on a few criteria, but also assist in making changes. In other words, you could build your team with it, filling in as much detail as you like, and Technical Machine would then fill in the rest for you. I'm even thinking about stuff like "What effect would changing this EV spread to that EV spread have?" and it would calculate change in physical / special defensiveness. I have some stats that I would be interested in and would begin using immediately: Taking into account EVs, nature, and item, what is the exact Speed each Pokemon has? One thing that would be especially useful is an evidence-based approach to Speed. If there are no Pokemon that sit at 237 or 238, then there is no point in me EVing a Pokemon to 238. I want to be able to do something like "For X more EVs, I can outspeed Y% more Pokemon.". I would probably also make some sort of graph showing Speed distribution and post that, so people can see it visually. Perhaps my program could include the graph and display your location on the curve, along with a percentile. Move set stats that parallel team mate stats. If I have statistics like "On Pikachu, 29% of Pokemon with Thunderbolt also have Surf. 23% have Hidden Power. 13% have Quick Attack.". From that, I could construct a complete move set given any partial set of moves, just as I do for Pokemon prediction. Of course, more "complete" stats would be "Given that I have seen a Pikachu with Thunderbolt on a team with Geodude with Tackle, 28% of Pikachu also have Surf.", but I imagine that those stats would be much, much larger. __________________ Previously obi. Technical Machine, a Pokemon AI. "Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat." - Sun Tzu

Oct 9th, 2012, 12:13:58 AM	#145
drakon136 Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 146 Canadia	I think there's something wrong with the moveset stats. Latios: 4/0/252/0/252/0 73.977% Terrakion: 0/252/0/4/252/0 44.636% Blissey: 252/0/0/4/0/252 26.755% I don't think those are right... __________________ Resident Type-MOON Fan

Oct 9th, 2012, 12:15:06 AM	#146
alkinesthetase <MrE> SPIDERS /\/\;,,;/\/\ Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 697 <ala> canadabros is the strongest bros you can be Mentor	you're misreading it, it's hp / atk / satk / def / spe / sdef iirc yeah the order is kinda weird >_> __________________ <%yee> i will summon a spider to kill alkines my massive mafia roles list

Oct 11th, 2012, 10:20:16 PM	#147
ScraftyIsTheBest Floatin' Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 555 Lake Verity	\| 33 \| Machamp \| 10496 \| 7.487% \| 8724 \| 7.504% \| Now I should've brought this up earlier, but why does Machamp still get high usage? Isn't it outclassed by all the oher Fighting-types in the tier? (Heracross, Hitmontop, Scrafty, Mienshao, Cobalion). They have much more speed and much more power, which should pull Machamp into obscurity. No Guard DynamicPunch isn't alot. Machamp..in all homesty...needs to go from UU...Virizion, please help your fellow Fighting-type comrades make Machamp obsolete. \| 16 \| Mienshao \| 15866 \| 11.317% \| 13501 \| 11.613% \| \| 39 \| Cobalion \| 9484 \| 6.765% \| 7909 \| 6.803% \| You've...got to be kidding me. These two are shockingly low for such amazing Fighting-types, Cobalion is even lower than Machamp. These two really should be higher than they are right now. \| 1 \| Heracross \| 30116 \| 21.482% \| 23842 \| 20.508% \| \| 2 \| Chandelure \| 28352 \| 20.224% \| 23581 \| 20.283% \| \| 3 \| Roserade \| 23209 \| 16.555% \| 18946 \| 16.297% \| Chandy exceeding Roserade in usage was entirely my doing \| 14 \| Terrakion \| 64564 \| 10.416% \| 47456 \| 9.440% \| It seems after all the hype with the new toys, Terrakion is slowly making his comeback. Keep it up! \| 126 \| Monferno \| 1165 \| 1.196% \| 1024 \| 1.276% \| LOL Didn't we get this thing's analysis off site over two months ago? \| 37 \| Conkeldurr \| 37473 \| 6.046% \| 29908 \| 5.950% \| \| 42 \| Vaporeon \| 33931 \| 5.474% \| 27069 \| 5.385% \| Wait..These two actually get used?! I mean..I'm glad their usage is somewhat high..but I hardly see them. \| 44 \| Magnezone \| 32760 \| 5.285% \| 25690 \| 5.111% \| \| 47 \| Metagross \| 30310 \| 4.890% \| 24557 \| 4.885% \| Poor Robots :(:( __________________ <TLCNU> Esca literally is 2HKO'd by Stoutland Fire Fang C&C Work VM or PM me for a UU / RU rate!

Oct 13th, 2012, 11:59:09 AM	#149
Awmgnoob Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 49	Cinccino stop being silly and get down from that #1 spot. __________________ I have too many alts. Possibly: Beelay, NU O' Clock, MY BOY WIZ KHALIFA.

Oct 14th, 2012, 3:22:43 PM	#150
Black Lotus Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 35 In the garden of the fallen, but unforgotten	I feel really stupid for asking this because there is either no answer to it or the answer is really obvious, but under Moveset Statistics what is the order in which the EVs are classified. Example: I thought Standard was HP/Attack/Defense/Sp.Attack/Sp.Defense/Speed Though the Statistics should very strange EV spreads if they were to follow that Standard order. This is just confusing me to no end.