Who Needs Unova? OU Ladder Challenge! - Page 2

BurningMan · Sep 23rd, 2012, 1:52:34 PM

Will propably do this when PS gets up again tommorow, but could we change the goal to 1950 + a low deviation or at least 30 battles because the way the ladder works you could likely get 1950 within like 10 battles and that wouldn't be much of a challenge.

Lavos Spawn · Sep 23rd, 2012, 2:54:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat BurningMan

Will propably do this when PS gets up again tommorow, but could we change the goal to 1950 + a low deviation or at least 30 battles because the way the ladder works you could likely get 1950 within like 10 battles and that wouldn't be much of a challenge.

Yeah I'll edit that into the OP, a deviation of 70 sounds good.

Ricky Horror · Sep 23rd, 2012, 8:40:47 PM

I'll do this Challenge when I find some time.

Uvood · Sep 24th, 2012, 5:08:21 AM

Sounds fun, would love to join ^^. Gonna edit the post with alt and stuff when I make it.

Kidogo · Sep 24th, 2012, 3:47:22 PM

I definitely want to try this out, it sounds fun. Ironically, my ladder team already meets the requirements except for one poke. I may force myself to be creative and actually make a team though...

Name: Kidogo
Alt: Reminiscence (I think)
Ladder Standing: None

Thanks for starting this Lavos!

Hillz · Sep 26th, 2012, 9:14:30 PM

This challenge is more interesting than what I originally assumed. Having the first 4 gens gives us every weather starter, as well as most of the important pokemon running on dream world abilities. As a stall player however, losing jellicent means that I have to look into other forms of spinblocking, ones that I have found to be not as good.
The gameplay for me changed dramatically with this, as I had to use a fuller form of stall to cover more checks, which led me to look into some more creative sets as far as my walls are concerned.
I think the challenge overall helped me though, in that I learned a lot about my personal playstyle and I did not have to look at all the ugly new pokes so much.

Also, if someone could maybe PM me more about how this ranking system works. The ladder standings say : 85 PsychoMania 2161 96.1 2374 ± 151 (provisional). I've played only about 13 matches and I don't think I fulfill the requirements.

Scorpio · Sep 27th, 2012, 12:59:01 AM

Actually, count me out. School happened.

Lavos Spawn · Sep 27th, 2012, 9:46:48 AM

Sorry about the unfortunate timing of this project being posted, I know that Showdown ladder is being really fickle. Just keep at it.

@Hillz: You have to get the plus/minus down to 70 before you can post your rank, that's all.

Me So Shiny · Sep 27th, 2012, 12:19:35 PM

Name:Me So Shiny
Alt:Why you no shiny?
Ladder Rank:None yet

Admiral Bobbery · Sep 27th, 2012, 3:00:23 PM

Name: Admiral Bobbery
Alt: GuntherthePenguin
Ladder Rank: None

Master of the Six Kings · Sep 27th, 2012, 3:11:56 PM

Me: Master of the Six Kings
Alt: YoungLuvdisc
Rank: Not valid yet

BurningMan · Sep 28th, 2012, 4:20:14 AM

Started yesterday with a rain team and its been pretty fun

Me: Do i really need to write my nickname here i mean thats kinda pointless isn't it?
Alt: BurningUnova
Ladder standing:ACRE:2262 2360+/-70

King · Sep 29th, 2012, 5:11:31 PM

Name: king
Alt: jasonpwn
Ladder Standing: 29054039450935093509350935093752345792347509283475 092384750298347093857203948572093845720934

I'll start tomorrow

Lavos Spawn · Sep 30th, 2012, 1:18:16 PM

I know a lot of people have been laddering and have achieved an ACRE of over 1950, but don't forget you also need a standard deviation of 70 or below to prove you've laddered a sufficient number of matches. Please keep shooting for that benchmark, it'd really make me happy if some people finished this challenge.

Pokelol · Sep 30th, 2012, 1:37:57 PM

Am I blind or is there no current end date for this challenge? I would love to try, but due to school and sports I may need some (Some = Many) days to actually get the deviation down below 70

WikeCharlie · Oct 1st, 2012, 3:52:45 AM

in
name: wikecharlie
alt: uNOva
ladder rank: none

Pokelol · Oct 4th, 2012, 12:31:35 PM

Name: Pokelol
Alt: DasPokelolsk
Ladder Rank

EDIT: Just wanted to share a picture that shows I'm working on it. Were 3-0 before the loss. In the match I lost, we were at round 3, I think. Then I DC'ed from the server and could not reconnect again *sadface*

EDIT2: New Rank. Was sad after my loss to a Sun team yesterday, so I had the thought of making a new team and restarting.. After that, I've had one match played to round 15-ish, where the rest have been quits before the match even started.

Cicada · Oct 4th, 2012, 5:13:21 PM

Name: Cicada
Alt: Aurochs Spirit
Ladder Standing : n/a

Chillarmy · Oct 4th, 2012, 9:30:39 PM

Name: Chillarmy
Alt: Stelio Kantos
Ladder Standing: Nein

because Pocket asked so nicely

Wrong challenge D:< - Pocket

BurningMan · Oct 6th, 2012, 12:52:48 PM

Finally did it. Most matches were done with a rain team that was designed around a SubDD Gyara/Sub CM Jirachi sweep that does its revenge killing via priority with a Mamo/Breloom combo, but after playing a lot of matches with it i realized that this team was way too much reliant on prediction against some threats (and things like CM latias /Celebi with perish song outright destroyed it). I try'd to improve it but ultimately i just wasn't happy with the whole concept anymore and was too lazy to make a complete revamp.

Here it is if anyone has a suggestions i would love to hear them:

Today i was so fed up with the Team that i quickly made a new one to get my deviation down to 70. i haven't played many matches with it yet (maybe 10 or so) but thus far i am pretty ok with it even though i know there is yet a lot to improve. Its a basic HO Team with Deo-D built around a SD Lucario/ScarfMence Core.

Here it is

What did you think was the biggest challenge when not being allowed to use any of the restricted Pokemon? Was it overcomeable?

Fixing holes in your team gets definetally more difficult when a large portion of the current OU metagame is out of question^^. I think you can overcome it and strategys like Rain Stall or Sun offense can be pulled off without Unova Pokemon, because unlike HO or Rain Offense the stars of this particular play styles are Gen 1-4 Pokemon.

How did you feel the challenge tested your metagame skill? Did it make playing much harder, or were you still able to leaderboard with relative ease.

Not much more than regular laddering, the biggest problem to me was the ladder itself, because it is undoubtly bugged.

What is your opinion on how overpowered the Pokemon that you were not allowed to use, but were required to face? Were they too strong to deal with, are there metagame shifts you would consider to correct this?
Actually no Pokemon seemed to be Uber or unbalanced to me. Genesect is always hard to play around but once choice locked into an attack was always set-up fodder (unless its EB) and Thundurus-T was as powerful as ever but since i had Mamoswine on both of my teams they never seemed like too much trouble.

What team style did you use, and how did it fare against the metagame? Were there team styles you couldn't beat?
I have never felt that i was losing against a particular play style than against a single Pokemon or a combination of two Celebi and Latias as already mentioned were something i usually couldn't win against unless the opponent misplayed at some point or i got some hax (or crazily outpredicted my opponent, but that usually ended in over prediction). Amoongus was also fairly annoying, but wasn't too much trouble thanks to too substitute users.

What is your personal opinion on this challenge?

It is really a cool challenge, that sadly suffered from Showdowns ladder problems/DDoS attacks that discouraged users taking this challenge and being run during a suspect test didn't help either :/

I really hope this challenge will be continued once Showdowns ladders are reset.

Lavos Spawn · Oct 6th, 2012, 4:31:39 PM

nice job burningman! first person to beat the challenge, i'll add you to the HoF now

to the rest of you lazy bums, keep at it

Sep 23rd, 2012, 8:40:47 PM	#28
Ricky Horror Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 253 Smogon Place of Tyrant Mods..	I'll do this Challenge when I find some time. __________________ Don't look back it'll cease your future.

Sep 24th, 2012, 5:08:21 AM	#29
Uvood Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 44 Where none has ever tread	Sounds fun, would love to join ^^. Gonna edit the post with alt and stuff when I make it. __________________ I try my best to be cheerful, no matter what. If you challenge me, I hope you do your best to be as well :).

Sep 24th, 2012, 3:47:22 PM	#30
Kidogo Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 418	I definitely want to try this out, it sounds fun. Ironically, my ladder team already meets the requirements except for one poke. I may force myself to be creative and actually make a team though... Name: Kidogo Alt: Reminiscence (I think) Ladder Standing: None Thanks for starting this Lavos! __________________ Check out my RMT (Baton) Passport to Victory (Peaked #2)! Want to read a warstory? Try this one: Dragons Dinos, and Donkeys (I mean ponies): an OU Warstory

Sep 26th, 2012, 9:14:30 PM	#31
Hillz Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 48 I'M SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW!	This challenge is more interesting than what I originally assumed. Having the first 4 gens gives us every weather starter, as well as most of the important pokemon running on dream world abilities. As a stall player however, losing jellicent means that I have to look into other forms of spinblocking, ones that I have found to be not as good. The gameplay for me changed dramatically with this, as I had to use a fuller form of stall to cover more checks, which led me to look into some more creative sets as far as my walls are concerned. I think the challenge overall helped me though, in that I learned a lot about my personal playstyle and I did not have to look at all the ugly new pokes so much. Also, if someone could maybe PM me more about how this ranking system works. The ladder standings say : 85 PsychoMania 2161 96.1 2374 ± 151 (provisional). I've played only about 13 matches and I don't think I fulfill the requirements. __________________ yay

Sep 27th, 2012, 3:00:23 PM	#35
Admiral Bobbery Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 53	Name: Admiral Bobbery Alt: GuntherthePenguin Ladder Rank: None __________________ "Such Balderdash! It's quite obvious you are in for a stomping, so let's have at it."

Sep 23rd, 2012, 1:52:34 PM	#26
BurningMan Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,029	Will propably do this when PS gets up again tommorow, but could we change the goal to 1950 + a low deviation or at least 30 battles because the way the ladder works you could likely get 1950 within like 10 battles and that wouldn't be much of a challenge.

Sep 27th, 2012, 12:59:01 AM	#32
Scorpio Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 285	Actually, count me out. School happened.

Sep 27th, 2012, 9:46:48 AM	#33
Lavos Spawn our state of zen Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,156 Mentor	Sorry about the unfortunate timing of this project being posted, I know that Showdown ladder is being really fickle. Just keep at it. @Hillz: You have to get the plus/minus down to 70 before you can post your rank, that's all.

Sep 27th, 2012, 12:19:35 PM	#34
Me So Shiny Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 30	Name:Me So Shiny Alt:Why you no shiny? Ladder Rank:None yet

Sep 27th, 2012, 3:11:56 PM	#36
Master of the Six Kings Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 791 Where soccer is the correct terminology and bacon isn't dishonest	Me: Master of the Six Kings Alt: YoungLuvdisc Rank: Not valid yet

Sep 28th, 2012, 4:20:14 AM	#37
BurningMan Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,029	Started yesterday with a rain team and its been pretty fun Me: Do i really need to write my nickname here i mean thats kinda pointless isn't it? Alt: BurningUnova Ladder standing:ACRE:2262 2360+/-70 Last edited by BurningMan; Oct 6th, 2012 at 12:01:29 PM.

Sep 29th, 2012, 5:11:31 PM	#38
King Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 233	Name: king Alt: jasonpwn Ladder Standing: 29054039450935093509350935093752345792347509283475 092384750298347093857203948572093845720934 I'll start tomorrow

Sep 30th, 2012, 1:18:16 PM	#39
Lavos Spawn our state of zen Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,156 Mentor	I know a lot of people have been laddering and have achieved an ACRE of over 1950, but don't forget you also need a standard deviation of 70 or below to prove you've laddered a sufficient number of matches. Please keep shooting for that benchmark, it'd really make me happy if some people finished this challenge.

Sep 30th, 2012, 1:37:57 PM	#40
Pokelol Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 81 Denmark	Am I blind or is there no current end date for this challenge? I would love to try, but due to school and sports I may need some (Some = Many) days to actually get the deviation down below 70 __________________ Just lollin´ around ~

Oct 1st, 2012, 3:52:45 AM	#41
WikeCharlie Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 10 england	in name: wikecharlie alt: uNOva ladder rank: none

Oct 4th, 2012, 12:31:35 PM	#42
Pokelol Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 81 Denmark	Name: Pokelol Alt: DasPokelolsk Ladder Rank EDIT: Just wanted to share a picture that shows I'm working on it. Were 3-0 before the loss. In the match I lost, we were at round 3, I think. Then I DC'ed from the server and could not reconnect again sadface EDIT2: New Rank. Was sad after my loss to a Sun team yesterday, so I had the thought of making a new team and restarting.. After that, I've had one match played to round 15-ish, where the rest have been quits before the match even started. __________________ Just lollin´ around ~ Last edited by Pokelol; Oct 9th, 2012 at 9:07:51 AM.

Oct 4th, 2012, 5:13:21 PM	#43
Cicada radical dreamer Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 356 France	Name: Cicada Alt: Aurochs Spirit Ladder Standing : n/a

Oct 4th, 2012, 9:30:39 PM	#44
Chillarmy Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 452	Name: Chillarmy Alt: Stelio Kantos Ladder Standing: Nein because Pocket asked so nicely Wrong challenge D:< - Pocket __________________ Next projects: - New sig - School, sleep, work, ETC ^^ Last edited by Pocket; Oct 4th, 2012 at 10:18:48 PM.

Oct 6th, 2012, 12:52:48 PM	#45
BurningMan Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,029	Finally did it. Most matches were done with a rain team that was designed around a SubDD Gyara/Sub CM Jirachi sweep that does its revenge killing via priority with a Mamo/Breloom combo, but after playing a lot of matches with it i realized that this team was way too much reliant on prediction against some threats (and things like CM latias /Celebi with perish song outright destroyed it). I try'd to improve it but ultimately i just wasn't happy with the whole concept anymore and was too lazy to make a complete revamp. Here it is if anyone has a suggestions i would love to hear them: Breloom @ Life Orb Trait: Technician EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd Adamant Nature - Low Sweep - Mach Punch - Bullet Seed - Spore Politoed @ Choice Specs Trait: Drizzle EVs: 232 HP / 252 SAtk / 24 Spd Modest Nature - Hydro Pump - Surf - Perish Song - Ice Beam Mamoswine @ Life Orb Trait: Thick Fat EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP Jolly Nature - Earthquake - Ice Shard - Icicle Crash - Stealth Rock Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers Trait: Levitate EVs: 124 HP / 252 SAtk / 128 Spd / 4 Def Modest Nature - Hydro Pump - Thunderbolt - Will-O-Wisp - Volt Switch Jirachi @ Leftovers Trait: Serene Grace EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk Timid Nature - Thunder - Psychic - Calm Mind - Substitute Gyarados @ Leftovers Trait: Intimidate EVs: 248 Atk / 204 Spd / 56 HP Adamant Nature - Waterfall - Earthquake - Dragon Dance - Substitute Today i was so fed up with the Team that i quickly made a new one to get my deviation down to 70. i haven't played many matches with it yet (maybe 10 or so) but thus far i am pretty ok with it even though i know there is yet a lot to improve. Its a basic HO Team with Deo-D built around a SD Lucario/ScarfMence Core. Here it is Deoxys-Defense @ Rocky Helmet Trait: Pressure EVs: 252 HP / 252 Spd / 4 SDef Timid Nature - Stealth Rock - Taunt - Spikes - Seismic Toss Salamence @ Choice Scarf Trait: Moxie EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 Def Jolly Nature - Outrage - Dragon Claw - Fire Blast - Earthquake Lucario @ Life Orb Trait: Inner Focus EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef Adamant Nature - Swords Dance - Close Combat - ExtremeSpeed - Ice Punch Tyranitar @ Choice Band Trait: Sand Stream EVs: 252 Atk / 100 Spd / 152 HP Adamant Nature - Crunch - Stone Edge - Superpower - Pursuit Rotom-Wash @ Leftovers Trait: Levitate EVs: 124 HP / 128 Spd / 252 SAtk / 4 Def Modest Nature - Hydro Pump - Volt Switch - Will-O-Wisp - Hidden Power [Grass] Mamoswine @ Life Orb Trait: Thick Fat EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 HP Jolly Nature - Earthquake - Ice Shard - Icicle Crash - Superpower What did you think was the biggest challenge when not being allowed to use any of the restricted Pokemon? Was it overcomeable? Fixing holes in your team gets definetally more difficult when a large portion of the current OU metagame is out of question^^. I think you can overcome it and strategys like Rain Stall or Sun offense can be pulled off without Unova Pokemon, because unlike HO or Rain Offense the stars of this particular play styles are Gen 1-4 Pokemon. How did you feel the challenge tested your metagame skill? Did it make playing much harder, or were you still able to leaderboard with relative ease. Not much more than regular laddering, the biggest problem to me was the ladder itself, because it is undoubtly bugged. What is your opinion on how overpowered the Pokemon that you were not allowed to use, but were required to face? Were they too strong to deal with, are there metagame shifts you would consider to correct this? Actually no Pokemon seemed to be Uber or unbalanced to me. Genesect is always hard to play around but once choice locked into an attack was always set-up fodder (unless its EB) and Thundurus-T was as powerful as ever but since i had Mamoswine on both of my teams they never seemed like too much trouble. What team style did you use, and how did it fare against the metagame? Were there team styles you couldn't beat? I have never felt that i was losing against a particular play style than against a single Pokemon or a combination of two Celebi and Latias as already mentioned were something i usually couldn't win against unless the opponent misplayed at some point or i got some hax (or crazily outpredicted my opponent, but that usually ended in over prediction). Amoongus was also fairly annoying, but wasn't too much trouble thanks to too substitute users. What is your personal opinion on this challenge? It is really a cool challenge, that sadly suffered from Showdowns ladder problems/DDoS attacks that discouraged users taking this challenge and being run during a suspect test didn't help either :/ I really hope this challenge will be continued once Showdowns ladders are reset.

Oct 6th, 2012, 4:31:39 PM	#46
Lavos Spawn our state of zen Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 2,156 Mentor	nice job burningman! first person to beat the challenge, i'll add you to the HoF now to the rest of you lazy bums, keep at it