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Scarfwynaut · Sep 23rd, 2012, 9:32:17 PM

I just downloaded netbattle and it doesn't allow me on the main server after I make a team. I am wondering if this is standard, and what I can do about it / get advanced connection to other severs. Thanks.

meteor64 · Sep 23rd, 2012, 10:13:11 PM

I dont even think the netbattle registry is up anymore, you're best off just using PO like everyone else.

Jorgen · Sep 23rd, 2012, 11:05:29 PM

The registry is down and has been down for ages. atq.zapto.org is the advanced connect. You're not going to see anyone on NBS except if you're trying to find an old-timer for an RBY or GSC tournament, though, so you are better off going with PO for older gens.

Don't know why it's not letting you on if you had the advanced connect right. Maybe atq was down at that moment.

Shinzo · Oct 1st, 2012, 8:24:36 PM

So we're having a special " win a 3DS " HGSS tournament with special rules : Every single legendary is banned + tyranitar/garchomp/wobuffet/salamence, and no weather change is allowed.

So i would like you guys to give me some insight on what could be a really strong team under these conditions : one team with just the rules respected, and another one with just the following pokemons ( weavile, infernape, gastrodon, scizor, lucario, gliscor, blissey, stamie ).

But just as a start, i would like to have outs to breloom since it showed to be REALLY dangerous during the little testing time i did.

Zowayix · Oct 3rd, 2012, 8:59:01 AM

Title.

More specifically, for how which of these move categories does the glitch occur?
- Physical moves like Strength
- Special moves like Ice Beam
- Swift
- Non-attacking moves like Spore
- Non-targeting moves like Amnesia, Reflect, and Haze

I'm asking because despite what the site says, I have seen numerous different answers on other websites, and I'd like to get a very clear answer.

TM13IceBeam · Oct 3rd, 2012, 9:31:23 AM

Any conditions, iirc.

All enemy-targeting moves with 100% listed accuracy will have the 1/256 chance to miss, Swift being the sole exception. IIRC moves that target yourself (i.e. swords dance, etc) are also exempt from said accuracy calculation

Garud · Oct 3rd, 2012, 9:44:30 AM

Last I checked, Swift can miss, and it's no-miss rate applies more to things like Evasion boosting, Fly and Dig. But this is the only way it can miss.

Zowayix · Oct 3rd, 2012, 9:48:47 AM

Thanks for the fast response.

So moves like Strength, Ice Beam, and Spore can all miss, but Swords Dance, etc. cannot, right?

What about moves that target the whole field, like Haze? What about Struggle?

Is there any sort of absolute proof (game disassembly, etc.) that Swift cannot miss? I'm asking because it's by far the move that the most sources disagree on.

Crystal_ · Oct 3rd, 2012, 11:21:33 AM

Normal "100%" accuracy moves such as Ice Beam, Spore and Struggle have 0xFF as their accuracy byte, which means they have 255/256 accuracy. Moves such as Swift, Swords Dance, Haze and other moves that target the user or both fields also have 0xFF iirc, but as far as I know, the accuracy value is not checked by the game when using these moves.

The hexadecimal error apllies to everything with a "X" chance of happening. Moves that are supposed to have lets say 95% acc for example, have a slightly smaller accuracy as well: 242/256. Ice Beam's freeze ratio isn't exactly 10%, but 26/255. Critical hit ratios are multiplied by 255/256 as well. Etc.

If you want, I guess, you can test Swift yourself in a rby rom by changing it's accuracy byte to 0x00, and you'll see how it still doesn't miss. You can do this with an attack editor or by hand with an hex editor (attacks info starts at offset 0x38000).

Zowayix · Oct 3rd, 2012, 11:55:48 AM

If a move like Growl has 255/256 accuracy, why does it display "But it failed!" almost frequently when used?

NoUserName · Oct 3rd, 2012, 1:05:28 PM

I am pretty sure that I have read that Swift does not apply the accuracy check, thus it will never miss.

Zowayix · Oct 3rd, 2012, 3:06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Zowayix

If a move like Growl has 255/256 accuracy, why does it display "But it failed!" almost frequently when used?

Andeby · Oct 4th, 2012, 5:00:39 AM

Scenario:
The opponent introduce sleep on my Zapdos, I hit Rest with Sleep-talk and fall asleep again.

Is sleep clause still active? Or did my own Rest "override" the sleep-move? I guess the later is the answer, but I`m really not sure.

This is a GSC question, obviously.

Jorgen · Oct 4th, 2012, 7:39:25 AM

Rest over-rides the pre-existing sleep. Your opponent is free to put something else to sleep now.

Andeby · Oct 4th, 2012, 7:54:31 AM

Thanks!

Makes perfect sense.

Crystal_ · Oct 4th, 2012, 10:08:43 AM

Growl should only miss 1/256 times. Maybe your accuracy had been lowered before or something.

XTar · Oct 4th, 2012, 3:41:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Dasm

So, I'm looking to piece together a team- Some candidates I'm looking at for my team are Arcanine, Jolteon, Gyrados, Tyranitar, and Meganium. Could you please give me any suggestions for move set and the 6th?

I already have an idea with what I want to do with Gyrados- Leftovers Roar/Rest/Waterfall/Sleep Talk.

Competitively or in-game?

XTar · Oct 4th, 2012, 3:41:53 PM

What ranking would be considered "good" on the PO ladder? What's considered "elite"?

Jorgen · Oct 4th, 2012, 4:06:30 PM

For old gens? PO ladder means nothing.

XTar · Oct 4th, 2012, 4:12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Jorgen

For old gens? PO ladder means nothing.

Sorry I meant current gens.

Floppy · Oct 4th, 2012, 6:42:52 PM

i don't think here's the appropriate place to ask that

XTar · Oct 4th, 2012, 9:39:12 PM

Why not? I just need a simple answer where else should I ask?

Andeby · Oct 4th, 2012, 11:15:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat XTar

Why not? I just need a simple answer where else should I ask?

Ladder don`t mean much and I don`t know if anyone even bother to check it. Players are really just clicking "find battle" to not having to go through the trouble of actually challenging people. That is what I do, anyway.

The playerbase is just too tiny for a proper ladder to work. Top10 usually consist of the same people you play against everyday.

Zowayix · Oct 5th, 2012, 1:35:54 PM

In Generation I, does Bide take into account poison damage?

For example, say I have 160 HP and I'm poisoned (10 damage per turn). I use Bide while the opponent stalls with Splash or whatever. Bide lasts randomly from 2-3 turns. Will the opponent be hit with 40-60 damage because of my own poison damage? Or would Bide fail?

If it's not too much trouble, does anything different happen in other generations? (My main concern in Gen I, though.)

XTar · Oct 5th, 2012, 3:46:11 PM

Thanks for clearing that up. So what would be a good way to gauge your skills?

Sep 23rd, 2012, 9:32:17 PM	#51
Scarfwynaut Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,077 PA	I just downloaded netbattle and it doesn't allow me on the main server after I make a team. I am wondering if this is standard, and what I can do about it / get advanced connection to other severs. Thanks. __________________ I am not Scarf Wynaut on Pokemon Showdown. I am PrincesoBubblegum

Sep 23rd, 2012, 10:13:11 PM	#52
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Oct 1st, 2012, 8:24:36 PM	#54
Shinzo Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 17 Casablanca	Special HGSS tournament So we're having a special " win a 3DS " HGSS tournament with special rules : Every single legendary is banned + tyranitar/garchomp/wobuffet/salamence, and no weather change is allowed. So i would like you guys to give me some insight on what could be a really strong team under these conditions : one team with just the rules respected, and another one with just the following pokemons ( weavile, infernape, gastrodon, scizor, lucario, gliscor, blissey, stamie ). But just as a start, i would like to have outs to breloom since it showed to be REALLY dangerous during the little testing time i did. __________________ - Pokemon Master Red on the smogon server - Yu-gi-oh player ( Nexus on duelingnetwork.com ) - 2D fighters addict : Sf3.3 - Ssf4 - MBAA - KOF 2002 UM ...

Oct 3rd, 2012, 8:59:01 AM	#55
Zowayix Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 322 USA	In RBY, exactly under what conditions does the 1/256 miss glitch occur? Title. More specifically, for how which of these move categories does the glitch occur? - Physical moves like Strength - Special moves like Ice Beam - Swift - Non-attacking moves like Spore - Non-targeting moves like Amnesia, Reflect, and Haze I'm asking because despite what the site says, I have seen numerous different answers on other websites, and I'd like to get a very clear answer. __________________ Writing a haiku With seventeen syllables Is really diffi--

Oct 3rd, 2012, 9:31:23 AM	#56
TM13IceBeam Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,244 stuck in the past, locked in the present, banned from the future	Any conditions, iirc. All enemy-targeting moves with 100% listed accuracy will have the 1/256 chance to miss, Swift being the sole exception. IIRC moves that target yourself (i.e. swords dance, etc) are also exempt from said accuracy calculation __________________ Start of turn 24 Natu used Grass Knot! It's super effective! The foe's Corsola lost 31% of its health! Riolu ftw Amazing Rotom-S is amazing KAKUNA i'm dead, don't bother contacting me

Sep 23rd, 2012, 11:05:29 PM	#53
Jorgen Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 705	The registry is down and has been down for ages. atq.zapto.org is the advanced connect. You're not going to see anyone on NBS except if you're trying to find an old-timer for an RBY or GSC tournament, though, so you are better off going with PO for older gens. Don't know why it's not letting you on if you had the advanced connect right. Maybe atq was down at that moment.

Oct 3rd, 2012, 9:44:30 AM	#57
Garud Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 140	Last I checked, Swift can miss, and it's no-miss rate applies more to things like Evasion boosting, Fly and Dig. But this is the only way it can miss. __________________ Pokemon White FC: 4212 3513 8759 Pokemon LV 1 Challenge: Cynthia Morimoto Pokemon Roulette Nuzlocke Challenge Ep: 1 2

Oct 3rd, 2012, 9:48:47 AM	#58
Zowayix Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 322 USA	Thanks for the fast response. So moves like Strength, Ice Beam, and Spore can all miss, but Swords Dance, etc. cannot, right? What about moves that target the whole field, like Haze? What about Struggle? Is there any sort of absolute proof (game disassembly, etc.) that Swift cannot miss? I'm asking because it's by far the move that the most sources disagree on. __________________ Writing a haiku With seventeen syllables Is really diffi--

Oct 3rd, 2012, 11:21:33 AM	#59
Crystal_ Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 827 Spain	Normal "100%" accuracy moves such as Ice Beam, Spore and Struggle have 0xFF as their accuracy byte, which means they have 255/256 accuracy. Moves such as Swift, Swords Dance, Haze and other moves that target the user or both fields also have 0xFF iirc, but as far as I know, the accuracy value is not checked by the game when using these moves. The hexadecimal error apllies to everything with a "X" chance of happening. Moves that are supposed to have lets say 95% acc for example, have a slightly smaller accuracy as well: 242/256. Ice Beam's freeze ratio isn't exactly 10%, but 26/255. Critical hit ratios are multiplied by 255/256 as well. Etc. If you want, I guess, you can test Swift yourself in a rby rom by changing it's accuracy byte to 0x00, and you'll see how it still doesn't miss. You can do this with an attack editor or by hand with an hex editor (attacks info starts at offset 0x38000). __________________ Updated RBY analyses: ~~ Alakazam / Chansey / Dragonite / Exeggutor / Slowbro / Snorlax / Starmie / Tauros ~~ Articles: ~~ The RBY UU Metagame // Sleep and Leads in RBY ~~ Warstory: ~~ RBY Little Cup ~~ ****** RBY 251 ** The RBY Metagame with all GSC Pokemon allowed!

Oct 3rd, 2012, 11:55:48 AM	#60
Zowayix Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 322 USA	If a move like Growl has 255/256 accuracy, why does it display "But it failed!" almost frequently when used? __________________ Writing a haiku With seventeen syllables Is really diffi--

Oct 3rd, 2012, 1:05:28 PM	#61
NoUserName Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 464	I am pretty sure that I have read that Swift does not apply the accuracy check, thus it will never miss. __________________ Friend Code Black: 1291 8464 3703 Standard rules, I use legal hacks from Pokesav. Don't use unreleased abilities, moves and items. Wonder Launcher Off, Voice Chat Off Last edited by NoUserName; Oct 3rd, 2012 at 5:55:49 PM.

Oct 4th, 2012, 5:00:39 AM	#63
Andeby Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 911 Norway	Scenario: The opponent introduce sleep on my Zapdos, I hit Rest with Sleep-talk and fall asleep again. Is sleep clause still active? Or did my own Rest "override" the sleep-move? I guess the later is the answer, but I`m really not sure. This is a GSC question, obviously.

Oct 4th, 2012, 7:39:25 AM	#64
Jorgen Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 705	Rest over-rides the pre-existing sleep. Your opponent is free to put something else to sleep now.

Oct 4th, 2012, 7:54:31 AM	#65
Andeby Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 911 Norway	Thanks! Makes perfect sense.

Oct 4th, 2012, 10:08:43 AM	#66
Crystal_ Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 827 Spain	Growl should only miss 1/256 times. Maybe your accuracy had been lowered before or something. __________________ Updated RBY analyses: ~~ Alakazam / Chansey / Dragonite / Exeggutor / Slowbro / Snorlax / Starmie / Tauros ~~ Articles: ~~ The RBY UU Metagame // Sleep and Leads in RBY ~~ Warstory: ~~ RBY Little Cup ~~ ****** RBY 251 ** The RBY Metagame with all GSC Pokemon allowed!

Oct 4th, 2012, 3:41:53 PM	#68
XTar Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 40 New York	What ranking would be considered "good" on the PO ladder? What's considered "elite"? __________________ SS FC:0476 3628 3227 B FC:1464 2044 9082

Oct 4th, 2012, 4:06:30 PM	#69
Jorgen Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 705	For old gens? PO ladder means nothing.

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Floppy Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,782 mr nice boy	i don't think here's the appropriate place to ask that __________________ snivle snivle (16:20) [Aquarius]GeorgiaLed: and watch your filthy mouth abt my leader you bullcrap (16:20) The other party left the server, so the window was disabled.

Oct 4th, 2012, 9:39:12 PM	#72
XTar Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 40 New York	Why not? I just need a simple answer where else should I ask? __________________ SS FC:0476 3628 3227 B FC:1464 2044 9082

Oct 5th, 2012, 1:35:54 PM	#74
Zowayix Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 322 USA	In Generation I, does Bide take into account poison damage? For example, say I have 160 HP and I'm poisoned (10 damage per turn). I use Bide while the opponent stalls with Splash or whatever. Bide lasts randomly from 2-3 turns. Will the opponent be hit with 40-60 damage because of my own poison damage? Or would Bide fail? If it's not too much trouble, does anything different happen in other generations? (My main concern in Gen I, though.) __________________ Writing a haiku With seventeen syllables Is really diffi--

Oct 5th, 2012, 3:46:11 PM	#75
XTar Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 40 New York	Thanks for clearing that up. So what would be a good way to gauge your skills? __________________ SS FC:0476 3628 3227 B FC:1464 2044 9082