Wonkymons -- Now hosted on PS!

The_Eevee_General · Oct 8th, 2012, 12:42:49 AM

A HUGE thanks to Joim for hosting and bringing this mod to life!

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Every Pokemon was given 2 new abilities instead of its old ones?

The abilities were generated randomly and without prejudice?

The entire tier system changed as we know it?

Well that would be quite wonky, wouldn't it?

Welcome to: Wonkymons!

I came up with this idea after diving into the Balanced Hackmons meta, which of course is an offshoot of original Hackmons. In those tiers, you can assign any ability (with some exceptions in BH) and any move to any Pokemon. That completely changes the game altogether! While fun, sometimes the unpredictability can be frustrating. Needless to say it is a challenge to master when you have to expect just about everything.

I wanted to try an approach that would shake up the Ubers, OU, UU, RU, NU and LC tiers without going too far down the rabbit hole. I used the random number generator function in Excel to assign every Pokemon a number with each number assigned to an ability. Well why are some abilities absent? I'm glad you asked. I did away with useless abilities in 1-on-1 competitive battling like Illuminate, condensed duplicates (Mold Breaker is used while Teravolt and Turboblaze are axed), and tossed Slow Start, Truant, and Defeatist.
(Some abilities are pending review for possible ban: Pure Power and Wonder Guard. If they are banned, I will replace them with a new random ability for that Pokemon.)

The following abilities were cut:

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If an ability was assigned to a Pokemon that already had it (Rotom-Fan was given Levitate) or an ability assigned that the Pokemon could not use (Bronzor was given Iron Fist) new abilities were randomly generated.

Behold!

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Banlist:

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Possible Game Changers?:
Magnet Pull Lucario
Wonder Guard Volcarona
Prankster Mewtwo
Drizzle Dragonite
Drought Hydreigon
Motor Drive Haxorus
Pure Power Galvantula
Simple Groudon
Natural Cure Archeops
Contrary Palkia
Speed Boost Keldeo
Magic Guard Chandelure
Shadow Tag Terrakion
Magnet Pull Emboar

Will Slaking and Regigigas shoot up in usage now that they aren't saddled with terrible abilities? Will certain Ubers fall now that they don't have their coveted prowess? I'm looking at you, Kyogre.

Tell me what you all think. Is this just too crazy not to work? Or am I on to something?

Things to consider:
-'Ubers' allowed.
-Regular clauses apply. (Sleep, OHKO, evasion, species)
-Normal abilities are not included. Each Pokemon can only choose from the 2 abilities randomly generated.
-(1) If an ability is banned, a new one will be randomly generated to replace it. (2) If a particular Pokemon with an ability is banned, it may use its other ability (as long as that's not banned too). [Example: (1) Moody was banned, so anything with Moody got a new ability. (2) Contrary Palkia might be banned, but No Guard Palkia could still be used.]

Some reference:

Weather Inducers:

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Trappers:

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Magic Bounce:

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Contrary:

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Illusion:

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Speed Boost:

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Prankster:

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Imposter:

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Magic Guard:

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Poison Heal:

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Thanks!

trulyElse · Oct 8th, 2012, 2:18:30 AM

Right off the bat, I see Elekid's getting an Air balloon.

Other observations:

* Ho-oh will run Facade with Poison Heal.
* Slaking's ability will not be relevant any further than "It's not Truant", considering it's only got one move that benefits.
* Galvantula's physical moveset leaves a lot to be desired, although it's sheer strangth may allow it to use a neutral STAB to take a few threats out. (Can't do the calculations right now.) Rufflet may be a bigger threat ...
* Shaymin-Land is the only Magic-Guard user. This may change things a bit.

Dusk209 · Oct 8th, 2012, 9:34:46 AM

Here are some of my favorites from the list:
- Contrary Zebstrika (overheat spam)
- Prankster Yanmega
- Shadow Tag Electrode / Purugly
- Chlorophyll Articuno
- Moxie Virizion
- Lightningrod Raikou (one of the few abilities that fit :O)
- Multiscale Steelix / Meloetta

cant say · Oct 8th, 2012, 10:02:09 AM

Did Scrafty seriously get moxie? That's gotta go.
Suppose Palkia gets Blizzard, Thunder, Fireblast, Focus Blast and Stone Edge with No Guard. Could be a good choice user..

The_Eevee_General · Oct 8th, 2012, 3:56:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat cant say

Did Scrafty seriously get moxie? That's gotta go.
Suppose Palkia gets Blizzard, Thunder, Fireblast, Focus Blast and Stone Edge with No Guard. Could be a good choice user..

Good catch on Scrafty! I will change that when I get home.

And I was thinking of doing a random move generator to spice up everyone's movepool. More on that later.

Relados · Oct 8th, 2012, 5:12:29 PM

Any chance of putting secondary abilities on, or are these in addition to their normal ones?

Amarillo · Oct 8th, 2012, 5:27:16 PM

OP: Air Ballon Elekid with Wonder Guard.

use it with a spinner and magic bounce audino

Have fun!

(you're missing the therian formes)

***Birkal**** · Oct 8th, 2012, 5:29:55 PM

I think Sand Stream Dragonite and Illusion Torkoal are my favorites, lol.

Ace Emerald · Oct 8th, 2012, 5:35:26 PM

I like the concept, but somethings are a little sketch. Honestly, you may want to consider removing Wonder Guard and Pure Power because they are way to good. The only abuser of Pure Power seems to be Galvantula, but that is scary as hell. Jolly Galvantula clears 500 attack with no item. It might have barely any physical moves, but it has STABs (Wild Charge and X-Scissor), Sucker Punch, and reliable Return. Not to mention Agility, which will put Adamant in front of everything with a LO 556 attack stat. Or you can just CB spam, with a starting attack of 759. As for Wonder Guard, so many Pokemon are set up bait for what is already a fantastic set up sweeper, Volcarona. I don't think Elekid with a Balloon can be beaten without Mold Breakers, of which we have Wynaut and Spinarak, and it can beat both 1 v 1. It can Curse it's way to 988 Attack and destroy you. While the idea of pure random if great, I don't think your current metagame is balanced at all, and a balanced metagame is what promotes creativity.

As a small note, you also have Forecast in there, which I'm pretty sure only works for Castform. I also think you should give each Pokemon two abilities, but all this is your call.

Feranfell · Oct 8th, 2012, 5:38:53 PM

Maybe you could run the list one, maybe two more times so pokemon have more than ability to chose from?

ThisMysteriousGuy · Oct 8th, 2012, 5:42:45 PM

Not sure if people are joking

Or are legitimately interested

Anyways, I agree with Ace Emerald in that it's a decent concept but the execution is rather iffy and really seems messed up Air Balloon Elekid breaks the meta. I also agree with Relados that their original abilities should be available

**Molk** · Oct 8th, 2012, 6:00:34 PM

im really liking the thought of sheer force drapion, even if it still wasnt viable in OU it would still be cool in the UU metagame with the elemental fangs, crunch, poison jab: etc to abuse it with. Multiscale steelix and tinted lens sceptile also caught my eye. (im an RU player so yeah, lol).

I personally agree that abilities like wonder guard and pure power should be removed and randomly replaced. It just doesnt seem balanced when one of the top threats in OU (volcarona) is immune to many forms of direct damage. Theres also lol elekid, who would be pretty much unbeatable if its holding an air balloon :/.

Overall i think this is pretty cool =).

EDIT: magic guard land shaymin :o

SpecsX · Oct 8th, 2012, 6:15:02 PM

I don't think you need to change the movepools, but another ability or two would be good. Ban Wonder Guard. Keep Pure Power for a while, I think it might not be that OP.
No Guard Zap Cannon Probopass guys. Tinted Lens Specs Leaf Storm from Sceptile.
Snow Warning Snorlax.

Feranfell · Oct 8th, 2012, 6:44:08 PM

Also, ubers banned or not?

***Jibaku**** · Oct 8th, 2012, 6:53:34 PM

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Ferrothorn - Illusion

Oh dear. I could have a lot of nightmares about this thing.

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Frillish - Levitate

Interestingly, Frillish' species in Japanese uses the same text as Levitate.

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Kyurem-White - No Guard

...and of course gamefreak made it so that Kyurem is the only Unova Icemon to not get Sheer Cold...Oh well it can still spam Blizzards.

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Forretress - Imposter

Lol

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Bidoof - Pure Power

THE GREAT IRONY

SpecsX · Oct 8th, 2012, 7:18:01 PM

Snow Cloak Jirachi

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HaxRachi just got more annoying.

No mons with Guts?
Ban Flare Boost Gligar.

Feranfell · Oct 8th, 2012, 7:24:08 PM

If ubers are allowed, I'm up for a battle (no air balloon elekid <_>) if you are, hit me up on the OM IRC server

EDIT : Did my first match (possibly the first match ever) and Volcarona is considerably unflappably broken

***Birkal**** · Oct 8th, 2012, 10:12:36 PM

Posting to say that this is the best other metagame since six move battling. Had some good laughs over some of this stuff; gonna be building a team over the weekend to rock the house.

However, I have a few suggestions. First, you said that Pokemon don't get the same abilities that they originally had, but Scrafty has Moxie... Did you check for Dream World abilities? And what about move illegalities, specifically with moves Pokemon receive in the Dream World? And what about Pokemon that are currently ranked in Ubers; are they allowed? Also, I think we'd all like to see more. I think if Pokemon had two (or maybe even three) abilities, that would be awesome and give us some much needed diversity. What are your thoughts?

Zacchaeus · Oct 8th, 2012, 10:25:16 PM

*Simple Breloom sounds scary with either a Bulk Up set or a Swords Dance priority abuse set
*Wonder Skin Regigigas is sure to see some use but probably not as much as a few other things
*Snow Warning Seadra could be a contender
*Eviolite Drought Gloom could be fun
*Drizzle Golduck sounds like a good time too

The_Eevee_General · Oct 8th, 2012, 10:34:01 PM

Thanks everyone for the feedback! I'm going to address some questions and comments.

Relados:

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Any chance of putting secondary abilities on, or are these in addition to their normal ones?

Birkal:

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Also, I think we'd all like to see more. I think if Pokemon had two (or maybe even three) abilities, that would be awesome and give us some much needed diversity. What are your thoughts?

Ace Emerald:

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I also think you should give each Pokemon two abilities, but all this is your call.

Feranfell:

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Maybe you could run the list one, maybe two more times so pokemon have more than ability to chose from?

SpecsX:

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another ability or two would be good

Due to the multiple requests/suggestions to add more abilities, I'm giving everyone a second ability!

Amarillo:

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(you're missing the therian formes)

Fixed. Thanks!

Ace Emerald:

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Honestly, you may want to consider removing Wonder Guard and Pure Power because they are way to good.

Molk:

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I personally agree that abilities like wonder guard and pure power should be removed and randomly replaced. It just doesnt seem balanced when one of the top threats in OU (volcarona) is immune to many forms of direct damage. Theres also lol elekid, who would be pretty much unbeatable if its holding an air balloon :/.

SpecsX:

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Ban Wonder Guard. Keep Pure Power for a while, I think it might not be that OP.

I'm going to exclude Pure Power and Wonder Guard from the second abilities column and see how more people in the community feel about their ban. Also, considering banning Moody since it was swiftly banned in the regular meta. Thoughts?

Ace Emerald:

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As a small note, you also have Forecast in there, which I'm pretty sure only works for Castform.

Fixed. New abilities will be given to those with Forecast. Thanks!

Feranfell:

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Also, ubers banned or not?

Birkal:

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And what about Pokemon that are currently ranked in Ubers; are they allowed?

I was thinking this meta might shift into a few different tiers, similar to the regular one. Maybe a Wonkymons Ubers, OU, UU/NU, and LC? Or is that asking too much? Obviously some things are going to be too powerful for regular play. Kinda mulling this one over. Will definitely consider feedback!

***Birkal**** · Oct 8th, 2012, 10:36:09 PM

Asking too much to split up Wonkymons into Ubers, OU, and everything else. How about we just start fresh (no ubers) and if we need to ban stuff we can.

Also voting Ban Moody, Wonder Guard, and Pure Power.

The_Eevee_General · Oct 8th, 2012, 11:12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Birkal

Asking too much to split up Wonkymons into Ubers, OU, and everything else. How about we just start fresh (no ubers) and if we need to ban stuff we can.

Also voting Ban Moody, Wonder Guard, and Pure Power.

I agree on not splitting it up ATM. I also think Moody should be banned. I kind of want to see how Wonder Guard and Pure Power could play out since Ubers are allowed.

Also, generating new 2nd abilities rite now. Adding to list soon.

Afti · Oct 9th, 2012, 12:08:31 AM

Shadow Tag Electrode is actually interesting - it's just what Electrode needs in order to be a relevant threat in OU. I can see this going well.

Something like this set, used in the rain, would be a hell of a revenge killer.

Electrode@Choice Specs
Timid
4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe

-Thunder
-Volt Switch
-Hidden Power [Ice]
-Signal Beam

Basically, play it like it was running Thunder/--/--/--. Spam Specs Thunders on things that don't have a favorable type matchup.

Barring fast Pokémon with boosts, you're not going to be outrun.

The_Eevee_General · Oct 9th, 2012, 12:57:32 AM

New secondary abilities are up! Some big threats have developed...

Volcarona gets Solar Power.
Shadow Tag Terrakion.
Speed Boost Keldeo.
Contrary Palkia.

GatoDelFuego · Oct 9th, 2012, 1:14:05 AM

Deoxys-Speed - Unburden

This is probably the most hilarious thing I've ever seen. Also there are a couple of really, really cool things that have appeared. Motor Drive Haxorus? Sand Rush scrafty? It's just cool. It would be impossible to memorize all of this, but I think with some kind of challenge-cup style battling it would be very fun.

Oct 8th, 2012, 12:42:49 AM	#1
The_Eevee_General Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 82 Porygon Oregon	Wonkymons -- Now hosted on PS! Wonkymons on Pokemon Showdown! A HUGE thanks to Joim for hosting and bringing this mod to life! . . . What if . . . Every Pokemon was given 2 new abilities instead of its old ones? The abilities were generated randomly and without prejudice? The entire tier system changed as we know it? Well that would be quite wonky, wouldn't it? Welcome to: Wonkymons! I came up with this idea after diving into the Balanced Hackmons meta, which of course is an offshoot of original Hackmons. In those tiers, you can assign any ability (with some exceptions in BH) and any move to any Pokemon. That completely changes the game altogether! While fun, sometimes the unpredictability can be frustrating. Needless to say it is a challenge to master when you have to expect just about everything. I wanted to try an approach that would shake up the Ubers, OU, UU, RU, NU and LC tiers without going too far down the rabbit hole. I used the random number generator function in Excel to assign every Pokemon a number with each number assigned to an ability. Well why are some abilities absent? I'm glad you asked. I did away with useless abilities in 1-on-1 competitive battling like Illuminate, condensed duplicates (Mold Breaker is used while Teravolt and Turboblaze are axed), and tossed Slow Start, Truant, and Defeatist. (Some abilities are pending review for possible ban: Pure Power and Wonder Guard. If they are banned, I will replace them with a new random ability for that Pokemon.) The following abilities were cut: ... Air Lock (Cloud Nine used instead) Defeatist Filter (Solid Rock used instead) Flower Gift (Only works on Cherrim) Friend Guard Forecast (Only works on Castform) Healer Honey Gather Huge Power (Pure Power used instead) Illuminate Minus Multitype (Only works on Arceus and the idea of the game is to give a new ability) Pickup Plus Rough Skin (Iron Barbs used instead) Run Away Shell Armor (Battle Armor used instead) Slow Start Telepathy Teravolt (Mold Breaker used instead) Truant Turboblaze (Mold Breaker used instead) Vital Spirit (Insomnia used instead) White Smoke (Clear Body instead) Zen Mode (Only works on Darmanitan, see Multitype) If an ability was assigned to a Pokemon that already had it (Rotom-Fan was given Levitate) or an ability assigned that the Pokemon could not use (Bronzor was given Iron Fist) new abilities were randomly generated. Behold! ... Bulbasaur - Aftermath / Adaptability Ivysaur - Regenerator / Sturdy Venusaur - Heatproof / Flare Boost Charmander - Infiltrator / Cute Charm Charmeleon - Technician / Sand Force Charizard - Sand Stream / Regenerator Squirtle - Clear Body / Lightningrod Wartortle - No Guard / Poison Point Blastoise - Early Bird / Overcoat Caterpie - Iron Barbs / Swift Swim Metapod - Tinted Lens / Shadow Tag Butterfree - Sap Sipper / Water Absorb Weedle - Damp / Sheer Force Kakuna - Early Bird / Light Metal Beedrill - Effect Spore / Harvest Pidgey - Bad Dreams / Marvel Scale Pidgeotto - Soundproof / Oblivious Pidgeot - Cute Charm / Magma Armor Rattata - Mummy / Toxic Boost Raticate - Compoundeyes / Illusion Spearow - Moxie / Flame Body Fearow - Clear Body / Trace Ekans - Defiant / Shield Dust Arbok - Thick Fat / Quick Feet Pikachu - Infiltrator / Sturdy Raichu - Magic Bounce / Battle Armor Sandshrew - Magma Armor / Magic Guard Sandslash - Infiltrator / Sheer Force Nidoran♀ - Poison Touch / Bad Dreams Nidorina - Rock Head / Chlorophyll Nidoqueen - Pressure / Clear Body Nidoran♂ - Limber / Big Pecks Nidorino - Marvel Scale / Drought Nidoking - Shield Dust / Hyper Cutter Clefairy - Pickpocket / Prankster Clefable - Infiltrator / Suction Cups Vulpix - Toxic Boost / Soundproof Ninetales - Sand Veil / Hyper Cutter Jigglypuff - Gluttony / Color Change Wigglytuff - Tinted Lens / Multiscale Zubat - Prankster / Snow Cloak Golbat - Simple / Rock Head Oddish - Tinted Lens / Cute Charm Gloom - Drought / Volt Absorb Vileplume - Thick Fat / Steadfast Paras - Stall / Lightningrod Parasect - Motor Drive / Quick Feet Venonat - Heatproof / Quick Feet Venomoth - Thick Fat / Imposter Diglett - Marvel Scale / Stall Dugtrio - Poison Heal / Color Change Meowth - Poison Point / Serene Grace Persian - Poison Point / Snow Cloak Psyduck - Trace / Suction Cups Golduck - Drizzle / Immunity Mankey - Sand Veil / Arena Trap Primeape - Poison Heal / Soundproof Growlithe - Hustle / Shed Skin Arcanine - Cute Charm / Illusion Poliwag - Oblivious / Thick Fat Poliwhirl - Solid Rock / Magic Guard Poliwrath - Poison Heal / Magma Armor Abra - Sand Stream / Anticipation Kadabra - Leaf Guard / Hustle Alakazam - Multiscale / Snow Cloak Machop - Frisk / Unburden Machoke - Rain Dish / Infiltrator Machamp - Iron Barbs / Tangled Feet Bellsprout - Sand Rush / Unnerve Weepinbell - Rattled / Snow Warning Victreebel - Magic Bounce / Storm Drain Tentacool - Leaf Guard / Storm Drain Tentacruel - Ice Body / No Guard Geodude - Pure Power / Leaf Guard Graveler - Steadfast / Water Veil Golem - Unburden / Magic Bounce Ponyta - Moxie / Synchronize Rapidash - Intimidate / Hyper Cutter Slowpoke - Prankster / Pickpocket Slowbro - Water Veil / Unnerve Magnemite - Liquid Ooze / Insomnia Magneton - Solid Rock / Sand Force Farfetch'd - Marvel Scale / Snow Cloak Doduo - Flash Fire / Arena Trap Dodrio - Wonder Guard / Sticky Hold Seel - Insomnia / Flame Body Dewgong - Frisk / Sand Veil Grimer - Drizzle / Magic Bounce Muk - Infiltrator / Levitate Shellder - Iron Barbs / Drizzle Cloyster - Inner Focus / Wonder Skin Gastly - Sand Veil / Chlorophyll Haunter - Technician / Aftermath Gengar - Swift Swim / Heavy Metal Onix - Sand Veil / Cute Charm Drowzee - Tangled Feet / Sniper Hypno - Solar Power / Technician Krabby - Iron Barbs / Tangled Feet Kingler - Sturdy / Color Change Voltorb - Big Pecks / Early Bird Electrode - Shadow Tag / Levitate Exeggcute - Cute Charm / Forewarn Exeggutor - Rain Dish / Mold Breaker Cubone - Marvel Scale / Blaze Marowak - Scrappy / Magic Bounce Hitmonlee - Clear Body / Rain Dish Hitmonchan - Weak Armor / Download Lickitung - Sticky Hold / Victory Star Koffing - Rivalry / Dry Skin Weezing - Bad Dreams / Super Luck Rhyhorn - Cloud Nine / Magnet Pull Rhydon - Pickpocket / Poison Point Chansey - Liquid Ooze / Static Tangela - Insomnia / Battle Armor Kangaskhan - Light Metal / Bad Dreams Horsea - Big Pecks / Sand Stream Seadra - Snow Warning / Rivalry Goldeen - Magic Bounce / Overcoat Seaking - Analytic / Natural Cure Staryu - Limber / Battle Armor Starmie - Overcoat / Stench Mr. Mime - Reckless / Pressure Scyther - Synchronize / Unburden Jynx - Reckless / Harvest Electabuzz - Adaptability / Poison Heal Magmar - Marvel Scale / Cloud Nine Pinsir - Super Luck / Flame Body Tauros - Keen Eye / Cloud Nine Magikarp - Big Pecks / Weak Armor Gyarados - Iron Barbs / Solid Rock Lapras - Tangled Feet / Drought Ditto - Hydration / Forewarn Eevee - Pure Power / Poison Heal Vaporeon - Stench / Leaf Guard Jolteon - Magnet Pull / Synchronize Flareon - Ice Body / Imposter Porygon - Thick Fat / Aftermath Omanyte - Wonder Guard / Aftermath Omastar - Light Metal / Klutz Kabuto - Own Tempo / Frisk Kabutops - Justified / Aftermath Aerodactyl - Magma Armor / Early Bird Snorlax - Snow Warning / Overcoat Articuno - Chlorophyll / Stall Zapdos - Sniper / Regenerator Moltres - Cursed Body / Hyper Cutter Dratini - Snow Cloak / Big Pecks Dragonair - Serene Grace / Blaze Dragonite - Sand Stream / Drizzle Mewtwo - Drizzle / Prankster Mew - Liquid Ooze / Victory Star Chikorita - Heatproof / Levitate Bayleef - Rattled / Immunity Meganium - Poison Heal / Overcoat Cyndaquil - Levitate / Serene Grace Quilava - Natural Cure / Weak Armor Typhlosion - Swift Swim / Poison Heal Totodile - Technician / Compoundeyes Croconaw - Dry Skin / Regenerator Feraligatr - Gluttony / Stench Sentret - Sand Rush / Cute Charm Furret - Soundproof / Sturdy Hoothoot - Soundproof / Gluttony Noctowl - Sap Sipper / Anger Point Ledyba - Toxic Boost / Cursed Body Ledian - Static / Clear Body Spinarak - Mold Breaker / Reckless Ariados - Snow Warning / Super Luck Crobat - Solid Rock / Trace Chinchou - Technician / Sand Veil Lanturn - Trace / Clear Body Pichu - Soundproof / Analytic Cleffa - Gluttony / Sticky Hold Igglybuff - Gluttony / Overgrow Togepi - Insomnia / Anger Point Togetic - Damp / Mummy Natu - Water Absorb / Mummy Xatu - Shed Skin / Sand Veil Mareep - Steadfast / Compoundeyes Flaaffy - Sand Veil / Volt Absorb Ampharos - Rivalry / Snow Cloak Bellossom - Oblivious / Clear Body Marill - Adaptability / Chlorophyll Azumarill - Pickpocket / Technician Sudowoodo - Victory Star / Own Tempo Politoed - Klutz / Magic Bounce Hoppip - Suction Cups / Drought Skiploom - Steadfast / Prankster Jumpluff - Magic Bounce / Imposter Aipom - Forewarn / Light Metal Sunkern - Damp / Serene Grace Sunflora - Simple / Drizzle Yanma - Flash Fire / Effect Spore Wooper - Rain Dish / Weak Armor Quagsire - Anticipation / Arena Trap Espeon - Technician / Sand Veil Umbreon - Immunity / Sniper Murkrow - Cute Charm / Quick Feet Slowking - Harvest / Torrent Misdreavus - Shed Skin / Inner Focus Unown - Solid Rock / Rain Dish Wobbuffet - Own Tempo / Suction Cups Girafarig - Color Change / Big Pecks Pineco - Damp / Iron Barbs Forretress - Imposter / Gluttony Dunsparce - Tangled Feet / Speed Boost Gligar - Flare Boost / Suction Cups Steelix - Multiscale / Anticipation Snubbull - Compoundeyes / Hydration Granbull - Poison Heal / Static Qwilfish - Storm Drain / Simple Scizor - Iron Barbs / Magma Armor Shuckle - Drought / Compoundeyes Heracross - Heavy Metal / Contrary Sneasel - Sap Sipper / Compoundeyes Teddiursa - Analytic / Color Change Ursaring - Soundproof / Synchronize Slugma - Shield Dust / Intimidate Magcargo - Clear Body / Tinted Lens Swinub - Cursed Body / Technician Piloswine - Simple / Rivalry Corsola - Color Change / Tinted Lens Remoraid - Effect Spore / Water Absorb Octillery - Tangled Feet / Cloud Nine Delibird - Reckless / Keen Eye Mantine - Chlorophyll / Flare Boost Skarmory - Rivalry / Rock Head Houndour - Victory Star / Unburden Houndoom - Shed Skin / Sand Force Kingdra - Cloud Nine / Pickpocket Phanpy - Flash Fire / Levitate Donphan - Hyper Cutter / Damp Porygon2 - Battle Armor / Drought Stantler - Swarm / Lightningrod Smeargle - Gluttony / Super Luck Tyrogue - Flare Boost / Imposter Hitmontop - Klutz / Aftermath Smoochum - Rock Head / Water Absorb Elekid - Wonder Guard / Unaware Magby - Static / Adaptability Miltank - Defiant / Normalize Blissey - Shed Skin / Early Bird Raikou - Lightningrod / Iron Barbs Entei - Thick Fat / Dry Skin Suicune - Forewarn / Poison Heal Larvitar - Synchronize / Rock Head Pupitar - Mummy / Sheer Force Tyranitar - Anticipation / Rain Dish Lugia - Sap Sipper / Limber Ho-oh - Poison Heal / Magnet Pull Celebi - Soundproof / Simple Treecko - Overcoat / Thick Fat Grovyle - Rock Head / Clear Body Sceptile - Tinted Lens / Justified Torchic - Victory Star / Infiltrator Combusken - Limber / Super Luck Blaziken - Justified / Light Metal Mudkip - Contrary / Cursed Body Marshtomp - Frisk / Magma Armor Swampert - Sturdy / Chlorophyll Poochyena - Adaptability / Early Bird Mightyena - Unaware / Hydration Zigzagoon - Volt Absorb / Static Linoone - Reckless / Water Veil Wurmple - Poison Touch / Shadow Tag Silcoon - Contrary / Unaware Beautifly - Stall / Illusion Cascoon - Dry Skin / Prankster Dustox - Justified / Victory Star Lotad - Technician / Magma Armor Lombre - Magic Bounce / Effect Spore Ludicolo - Forewarn / Damp Seedot - Sturdy / Forewarn Nuzleaf - Flash Fire / Flame Body Shiftry - Moxie / Sand Veil Taillow - Sturdy / Serene Grace Swellow - Klutz / Poison Touch Wingull - Defiant / Synchronize Pelipper - Own Tempo / Heatproof Ralts - Sand Force / Heatproof Kirlia - Static / Hustle Gardevoir - Battle Armor / Tinted Lens Surskit - Thick Fat / Soundproof Masquerain - Frisk / Magic Bounce Shroomish - Heatproof / Oblivious Breloom - Simple / Damp Slakoth - Compoundeyes / Tinted Lens Vigoroth - Rock Head / Weak Armor Slaking - Skill Link / Levitate Nincada - Overcoat / Magic Bounce Ninjask - Frisk / Magic Guard Shedinja - Skill Link / Leaf Guard Whismur - Color Change / Contrary Loudred - Heatproof / Sand Veil Exploud - Clear Body / Infiltrator Makuhita - Poison Heal / Poison Point Hariyama - Harvest / Battle Armor Azurill - Flame Body / Early Bird Nosepass - Motor Drive / Big Pecks Skitty - Synchronize / Weak Armor Delcatty - Magnet Pull / Poison Heal Sableye - Soundproof / Magic Bounce Mawile - Solar Power / Guts Aron - Harvest / Aftermath Lairon - Iron Barbs / Storm Drain Aggron - Bad Dreams / Simple Meditite - Download / Damp Medicham - Pickpocket / Battle Armor Electrike - Shield Dust / Battle Armor Manectric - Suction Cups / Poison Touch Plusle - Anger Point / Cursed Body Minun - Unnerve / Battle Armor Volbeat - Rain Dish / Cursed Body Illumise - Victory Star / Leaf Guard Roselia - Adaptability / Stall Gulpin - Imposter / Flash Fire Swalot - Iron Barbs / Unnerve Carvanha - Magma Armor / Quick Feet Sharpedo - Immunity / Anticipation Wailmer - Trace / Tangled Feet Wailord - Quick Feet / Contrary Numel - Cloud Nine / Toxic Boost Camerupt - Wonder Guard / Big Pecks Torkoal - Illusion / Sand Force Spoink - Cute Charm / Magma Armor Grumpig - Justified / Cursed Body Spinda - Sand Veil / Guts Trapinch - Battle Armor / Serene Grace Vibrava - Damp / Light Metal Flygon - Color Change / Solar Power Cacnea - Analytic / Cute Charm Cacturne - Dry Skin / Adaptability Swablu - Suction Cups / Simple Altaria - Leaf Guard / Color Change Zangoose - Infiltrator / Shed Skin (Seviper's old abilities... lol) Seviper - Serene Grace / Sand Rush Lunatone - Illusion / Analytic Solrock - Pressure / Moxie Barboach - Intimidate / Rain Dish Whiscash - Damp / Battle Armor Corphish - Anger Point / Anticipation Crawdaunt - Speed Boost / Oblivious Baltoy - Clear Body / Early Bird Claydol - Rattled / Klutz Lileep - Skill Link / Rain Dish Cradily - Analytic / Serene Grace Anorith - Suction Cups / Reckless Armaldo - Magma Armor / Stall Feebas - Clear Body / Iron Barbs Milotic - Big Pecks / Snow Warning Castform - Wonder Guard / Sap Sipper Kecleon - Inner Focus / Dry Skin Shuppet - Chlorophyll / Defiant Banette - Clear Body / Volt Absorb Duskull - Natural Cure / Swift Swim Dusclops - Oblivious / Wonder Skin Tropius - Cursed Body / Immunity Chimecho - Swift Swim / Rock Head Absol - Volt Absorb / Sticky Hold Wynaut - Mold Breaker / Mummy Snorunt - No Guard / Insomnia Glalie - Overcoat / Clear Body Spheal - Multiscale / Static Sealeo - Pressure / Drought Walrein - Sap Sipper / Mold Breaker Clamperl - Heavy Metal / Sand Rush Huntail - Anger Point / Marvel Scale Gorebyss - Cloud Nine / Rivalry Relicanth - Flare Boost / Anticipation Luvdisc - Unaware / Adaptability Bagon - Simple / Blaze Shelgon - Pressure / Magic Guard Salamence - Forewarn / Poison Point Beldum - Snow Warning / Justified Metang - Flare Boost / Steadfast Metagross - Tangled Feet / Battle Armor Regirock - Water Absorb / Dry Skin Regice - Poison Heal / Drought Registeel - Harvest / Pickpocket Latias - Pickpocket / Limber Latios - Harvest / Heavy Metal Kyogre - Pickpocket / Sand Veil Groudon - Simple / Rain Dish Rayquaza - Rain Dish / Dry Skin Jirachi - Snow Cloak / Solar Power Deoxys-Attack - Cloud Nine / Unaware Deoxys-Normal - Early Bird / Flare Boost Deoxys-Speed - Unburden / Reckless Deoxys-Defense - Sand Force / Quick Feet Turtwig - Swift Swim / Marvel Scale Grotle - Pressure / Stall Torterra - Pickpocket / Sand Rush Chimchar - Drought / Solid Rock Monferno - Stall / Unnerve Infernape - Super Luck / Intimidate Piplup - Quick Feet / Heatproof Prinplup - Technician / Overgrow Empoleon - Rain Dish / Skill Link Starly - Liquid Ooze / Defiant Staravia - Iron Barbs / Multiscale Staraptor - Flare Boost / Flash Fire Bidoof - Pure Power / Ice Body Bibarel - Super Luck / Snow Warning Kricketot - Sturdy / Quick Feet Kricketune - Steadfast / Clear Body Shinx - Pickpocket / Sheer Force Luxio - Motor Drive / Solar Power Luxray - Weak Armor / Insomnia Budew - Sheer Force / Victory Star Roserade - Victory Star / Gluttony Cranidos - Quick Feet / Color Change Rampardos - Victory Star / Sniper Shieldon - Normalize / Sap Sipper Bastiodon - Battle Armor / Damp Burmy - Light Metal / Inner Focus Wormadam-Plant - Sand Veil / Sniper Wormadam-Trash - Limber / Motor Drive Wormadam-Sandy - Hustle / Sand Force Mothim - Defiant / Unburden Combee - Lightningrod / Normalize Vespiquen - Simple / Tangled Feet Pachirisu - Super Luck / Heavy Metal Buizel - Storm Drain / Pressure Floatzel - Imposter / Mold Breaker Cherubi - Flash Fire / Guts Cherrim - Leaf Guard / Battle Armor Shellos - Own Tempo / Swift Swim Gastrodon - Hustle / Rivalry Ambipom - Unaware / Drizzle Drifloon - Drought / Adaptability Drifblim - Bad Dreams / Cute Charm Buneary - Rattled / Early Bird Lopunny - Snow Warning / Justified Mismagius - Sticky Hold / Defiant Honchkrow - Poison Heal / Harvest Glameow - Toxic Boost / Light Metal Purugly - Shadow Tag / Sturdy Chingling - Magnet Pull / Flare Boost Stunky - Super Luck / Download Skuntank - Wonder Skin / Leaf Guard Bronzor - Mummy / Hustle Bronzong - Defiant / No Guard Bonsly - Tangled Feet / Soundproof Mime Jr. - Flame Body / Victory Star Happiny - Stench / Unnerve Chatot - Wonder Skin / Sap Sipper Spiritomb - Effect Spore / Cute Charm Gible - Drizzle / Magma Armor Gabite - Wonder Guard / Bad Dreams Garchomp - Sticky Hold / Normalize Munchlax - Marvel Scale / Drought Riolu - Analytic / Tangled Feet Lucario - Magnet Pull / Poison Touch Hippopotas - Klutz / Clear Body Hippowdon - Swift Swim / Gluttony Skorupi - Cursed Body / Pickpocket Drapion - Sheer Force / Suction Cups Croagunk - Oblivious / Sap Sipper Toxicroak - Iron Fist / Anger Point Carnivine - Bad Dreams / Defiant Finneon - Leaf Guard / Mummy Lumineon - Pickpocket / Big Pecks Mantyke - Arena Trap / Battle Armor Snover - Storm Drain / Inner Focus Abomasnow - Clear Body / Own Tempo Weavile - Solid Rock / Chlorophyll Magnezone - Reckless / Swift Swim Lickilicky - Download / Arena Trap Rhyperior - Scrappy / Mummy Tangrowth - Defiant / Simple Electivire - Adaptability / Toxic Boost Magmortar - Immunity / Cloud Nine Togekiss - Intimidate / Pickpocket Yanmega - Prankster / Clear Body Leafeon - Water Absorb / Cursed Body Glaceon - Color Change / Trace Gliscor - Drought / Clear Body Mamoswine - Liquid Ooze / Tangled Feet Porygon-Z - Soundproof / Compoundeyes Gallade - Ice Body / Chlorophyll Probopass - No Guard / Heatproof Dusknoir - Natural Cure / Sand Force Froslass - Overcoat / Heatproof Rotom - Steadfast / Gluttony Rotom-Heat - Rain Dish / Clear Body Rotom-Wash - Torrent / Overcoat Rotom-Frost - Pressure / Cloud Nine Rotom-Fan - Sticky Hold / Klutz Rotom-Mow - Oblivious / Synchronize Uxie - Limber / Heatproof Mesprit - Clear Body / Shadow Tag Azelf - Dry Skin / Defiant Dialga - Rain Dish / Pickpocket Palkia - No Guard / Contrary Heatran - Technician / Keen Eye Regigigas - Wonder Skin / Contrary Giratina-Origin - Quick Feet / Frisk Giratina-Altered - Rattled / Motor Drive Cresselia - Toxic Boost / Scrappy Phione - Unburden / Moxie Manaphy - Gluttony / Synchronize Darkrai - Rattled / Thick Fat Shaymin-Sky - Quick Feet / Rattled Shaymin-Land - Magic Guard / Compoundeyes Arceus - Tangled Feet / Hyper Cutter Victini - Compoundeyes / Aftermath Snivy - Gluttony / Storm Drain Servine - Sap Sipper / Solar Power Serperior - Anger Point / Forewarn Tepig - Damp / Tinted Lens Pignite - Natural Cure / Rattled Emboar - Poison Heal / Magnet Pull Oshawott - Marvel Scale / Lightningrod Dewott - Storm Drain / Aftermath Samurott - Weak Armor / Klutz Patrat - Mummy / Synchronize Watchog - Cloud Nine / Swarm Lillipup - Storm Drain / Magic Bounce Herdier - Big Pecks / Reckless Stoutland - Poison Touch / Forewarn Purrloin - Imposter / Rain Dish Liepard - Ice Body / Tangled Feet Pansage - Steadfast / Own Tempo Simisage - Static / Own Tempo Pansear - Technician / Drizzle Simisear - Tinted Lens / Sniper Panpour - Swift Swim / Poison Touch Simipour - Analytic / Storm Drain Munna - Pure Power / Volt Absorb Musharna - Water Absorb / Solar Power Pidove - Solid Rock / Clear Body Tranquill - Flame Body / Hustle Unfezant - Moxie / Sand Veil Blitzle - Cursed Body / Speed Boost Zebstrika - Contrary / Adaptability Roggenrola - Chlorophyll / Natural Cure Boldore - Keen Eye / Flare Boost Gigalith - Compoundeyes / Iron Barbs Woobat - Compoundeyes / Poison Point Swoobat - Rain Dish / Sand Rush Drilbur - Pickpocket / Natural Cure Excadrill - Rain Dish / Tinted Lens Audino - Magic Bounce / Sand Veil Timburr - Levitate / Immunity Gurdurr - Pressure / Storm Drain Conkeldurr - Poison Heal / Mold Breaker Tympole - Liquid Ooze / Sheer Force Palpitoad - Super Luck / Tinted Lens Seismitoad - Anger Point / Liquid Ooze Throh - Sap Sipper / Analytic Sawk - Stench / Flash Fire Sewaddle - Sticky Hold / Unaware Swadloon - Magnet Pull / Magma Armor Leavanny - Wonder Skin / Unburden Venipede - Battle Armor / Sticky Hold Whirlipede - Trace / Rain Dish Scolipede - Trace / Technician Cottonee - Liquid Ooze / Hyper Cutter Whimsicott - Mummy / Snow Cloak Petilil - Sturdy / Weak Armor Lilligant - Lightningrod / Overgrow Basculin - Contrary / Volt Absorb Sandile - Suction Cups / Weak Armor Krokorok - Water Absorb / Infiltrator Krookodile - Tangled Feet / Magic Guard Darumaka - Hyper Cutter / Big Pecks Darmanitan - Synchronize / Poison Point Maractus - Solid Rock / Hyper Cutter Dwebble - Water Absorb / Ice Body Crustle - Magic Bounce / Super Luck Scraggy - Solar Power / Solid Rock Scrafty - Sturdy / Sand Rush Sigilyph - Swarm / Tangled Feet Yamask - Suction Cups / Poison Heal Cofagrigus - Light Metal / Cute Charm Tirtouga - Immunity / Magic Guard Carracosta - Toxic Boost / Harvest Archen - Multiscale / Sniper Archeops - Natural Cure / Blaze Trubbish - Rattled / Snow Warning Garbodor - Clear Body / Volt Absorb Zorua - Toxic Boost / Light Metal Zoroark - Early Bird / Sand Veil Minccino - Aftermath / Klutz Cinccino - Hyper Cutter / Lightningrod Gothita - Unaware / Effect Spore Gothorita - Cloud Nine / Mold Breaker Gothitelle - Overcoat / Magic Bounce Solosis - Imposter / Synchronize Duosion - Analytic / Magnet Pull Reuniclus - Natural Cure / Analytic Ducklett - Magma Armor / Victory Star Swanna - Shield Dust / Early Bird Vanillite - Arena Trap / Magma Armor Vanillish - Insomnia / No Guard Vanilluxe - Marvel Scale / Hyper Cutter Deerling - Drizzle / Water Veil Sawsbuck - Stench / Speed Boost Emolga - Stall / Sticky Hold Karrablast - Solid Rock / Own Tempo Escavalier - Unnerve / Compoundeyes Foongus - Clear Body / Imposter Amoonguss - Overcoat / Gluttony Frillish - Levitate / Poison Heal Jellicent - Thick Fat / Intimidate Alomomola - Cloud Nine / Serene Grace Joltik - Super Luck / Flash Fire Galvantula - Pure Power / Light Metal Ferroseed - Shield Dust / Overcoat Ferrothorn - Illusion / No Guard Klink - Stench / Unaware Klang - Blaze / Sniper Klinklang - Flame Body / Scrappy Tynamo - Color Change / Prankster Eelektrik - Moxie / Anticipation Eelektross - Liquid Ooze / Rattled Elgyem - Inner Focus / Illusion Beheeyem - Dry Skin / Damp Litwick - Victory Star / Snow Cloak Lampent - Snow Cloak / Drought Chandelure - Keen Eye / Magic Guard Axew - Sap Sipper / Guts Fraxure - Early Bird / Light Metal Haxorus - Motor Drive / Sand Veil Cubchoo - Unaware / Sticky Hold Beartic - Gluttony / Storm Drain Cryogonal - Sturdy / Defiant Shelmet - Light Metal / Technician Accelgor - Gluttony / Snow Cloak Stunfisk - Pickpocket / Battle Armor Mienfoo - Rattled / Multiscale Mienshao - Harvest / Cute Charm Druddigon - Sturdy / Prankster Golett - Snow Warning / Magic Guard Golurk - Aftermath / Frisk Pawniard - Water Veil / Liquid Ooze Bisharp - Snow Cloak / Forewarn Bouffalant - Static / Dry Skin Rufflet - Pure Power / Forewarn Braviary - Volt Absorb / Sand Veil Vullaby - Rock Head / Sniper Mandibuzz - Mummy / Iron Barbs Heatmor - Solid Rock / Overcoat Durant - Unnerve / Sand Rush Deino - Weak Armor / Tinted Lens Zweilous - Justified / Drizzle Hydreigon - Drought / Hustle Larvesta - Intimidate / Sniper Volcarona - Wonder Guard / Solar Power Cobalion - Poison Point / Magma Armor Terrakion - Wonder Skin / Shadow Tag Virizion - Moxie / Analytic Tornadus - Magma Armor / Battle Armor Tornadus-Therian - Iron Barbs / Blaze Thundurus - Clear Body / Hustle Thundurus-Therian - Anger Point / Insomnia Reshiram - Infiltrator / Tangled Feet Zekrom - Weak Armor / Limber Landorus - Soundproof / Mummy Landorus-Therian - Scrappy / Bad Dreams Kyurem - Hydration / Anger Point Kyurem-White - No Guard / Gluttony Kyurem-Black - Weak Armor / Shadow Tag Keldeo - Shed Skin / Speed Boost Meloetta-A/-P - Multiscale / Moxie Genesect - Effect Spore / Magma Armor Banlist: ... Moody Wonder Guard Elekid Possible Game Changers?: Magnet Pull Lucario Wonder Guard Volcarona Prankster Mewtwo Drizzle Dragonite Drought Hydreigon Motor Drive Haxorus Pure Power Galvantula Simple Groudon Natural Cure Archeops Contrary Palkia Speed Boost Keldeo Magic Guard Chandelure Shadow Tag Terrakion Magnet Pull Emboar Will Slaking and Regigigas shoot up in usage now that they aren't saddled with terrible abilities? Will certain Ubers fall now that they don't have their coveted prowess? I'm looking at you, Kyogre. Tell me what you all think. Is this just too crazy not to work? Or am I on to something? Things to consider: -'Ubers' allowed. -Regular clauses apply. (Sleep, OHKO, evasion, species) -Normal abilities are not included. Each Pokemon can only choose from the 2 abilities randomly generated. -(1) If an ability is banned, a new one will be randomly generated to replace it. (2) If a particular Pokemon with an ability is banned, it may use its other ability (as long as that's not banned too). [Example: (1) Moody was banned, so anything with Moody got a new ability. (2) Contrary Palkia might be banned, but No Guard Palkia could still be used.] Some reference: Weather Inducers: ... Drizzle: Golduck Grimer Shellder Dragonite Mewtwo Sunflora Ambipom Gible Pansear Deerling Zweilous Drought: Nidorino Gloom Lapras Hoppip Shuckle Porygon2 Sealeo Regice Chimchar Drifloon Munchlax Gliscor Lampent Hydreigon Sand Stream (does not block Sand damage if user is not Rock/Steel/Ground): Charizard Abra Horsea Dragonite Snow Warning (does not block Hail damage if user is not Ice): Weepinbell Seadra Snorlax Ariados Milotic Beldum Bibarel Lopunny Trubbish Golett Trappers: ... Arena Trap: Mankey Doduo Quagsire Mantyke Lickilicky Vanillite Shadow Tag: Metapod Electrode Wurmple Purugly Mesprit Terrakion Kyurem-Black Magnet Pull: Rhyhorn Jolteon Ho-oh Delcatty Chingling Lucario Emboar Swadloon Duosion Magic Bounce: ... Raichu Victreebel Grimer Marowak Goldeen Politoed Jumpluff Lombre Masquerain Nincada Sableye Lillipup Audino Crustle Gothitelle Contrary: ... Heracross Mudkip Silcoon Whismur Wailord Palkia Regigigas Zebstrika Basculin Illusion: ... Raticate Arcanine Beautifly Torkoal Lunatone Ferrothorn Elgyem Speed Boost: ... Dunsparce Crawdaunt Blitzle Sawsbuck Keldeo Prankster: ... Clefairy Zubat Slowpoke Mewtwo Skiploom Cascoon Yanmega Tynamo Druddigon Imposter: ... Venomoth Flareon Jumpluff Foretress Tyrogue Gulpin Floatzel Purrloin Solosis Foongus Imposter analysis: Imposter, like in Hackmons/BH, acts as a great check to Contrary and other boosters. In the case of Wonkymons, we have quite a few Pokemon to choose from with Imposter. In Hackmons and especially Balanced Hackmons, Blissey and Chansey are the exclusive Imposters. Blissey abuses the ability by copying every aspect of its foe (typing, ability, boosts, stats) except the HP stat. Since Blissey has the highest HP stat in the game, it’s no wonder it runs Imposter. Plus, when Blissey can’t copy a foe with Imposter due to Substitute or Illusion, she has her immense special bulk to fall back on. Chansey runs very similar to Blissey with a few exceptions. Since she is NFE, she can hold an eviolite, pumping up her defenses while retaining a huge HP stat (just 5 base points shy of Blissey.) The downside is she can no longer hold a Choice Scarf, leftovers, or lum berry, the three most common items held by Blissey. Wonkymons is a different ballgame. Contrarymons like Palkia (Draco Meteor), Heracross (Close Combat) and Regigigas (Superpower) and Speed Boost Keldeo pose huge threats if not properly checked. I have identified a few notable Imposters capable of turning the tides in your favor. In the same vein as Blissey, the Imposter with the biggest HP stat in Wonkymons is… Floatzel! While 85 HP doesn’t seem like much, it is far better than the paltry 48 belonging to the original Imposter, Ditto. The ideal Buizel Imposter holds a Choice Scarf to serve as a revenge check to ensure it outspeeds its target. When it can’t copy something it can hit with Waterfall, Crunch or Ice Punch, steal moves with Me First or use Torment to try and prevent further Contrary abuse. The second Imposter worth considering is the NFE with the highest HP stat… Gulpin! 70 HP isn’t too far behind Floatzel’s 85, but the idea here is Gulpin equips an eviolite to spruce up its defenses. Imagine copying Regigigas: 70/110/110 with +1/+1 Def/SpD is nothing to scoff at. If it’s unable to copy something it is a little unequipped to function on its own. It can use Pain Split, Destiny Bond, and Counter to some effect though. If using one of the other Imposters, you have to weigh other factors besides the HP stat that can make them viable. Forretress is probably the most usable other Imposter since it can still fill the solid support role it’s known for in Standard play and is a good check for Heracross behind a sub (since Close Combat only boosts Defense and Special Defense and Heracross can’t Swords Dance.) Magic Guard: ... Sandshrew Poliwhirl Ninjask Shelgon Shaymin-Land Krookodile Tirtouga Chandelure Golett Poison Heal: ... Dugtrio Primeape Poliwrath Electabuzz Eevee Meganium Typhlosion Granbull Suicune Ho-oh Makuhita Delcatty Regice Honchkrow Emboar Conkeldurr Yamask Frillish Thanks! Last edited by The_Eevee_General; Apr 29th, 2013 at 12:56:01 PM.

Oct 8th, 2012, 2:18:30 AM	#2
trulyElse Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 56 Auckland, NZ	Right off the bat, I see Elekid's getting an Air balloon. Other observations: * Ho-oh will run Facade with Poison Heal. * Slaking's ability will not be relevant any further than "It's not Truant", considering it's only got one move that benefits. * Galvantula's physical moveset leaves a lot to be desired, although it's sheer strangth may allow it to use a neutral STAB to take a few threats out. (Can't do the calculations right now.) Rufflet may be a bigger threat ... * Shaymin-Land is the only Magic-Guard user. This may change things a bit. Last edited by trulyElse; Oct 8th, 2012 at 2:43:49 AM.

Oct 8th, 2012, 10:02:09 AM	#4
cant say Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 109 Melbourne, Australia	Did Scrafty seriously get moxie? That's gotta go. Suppose Palkia gets Blizzard, Thunder, Fireblast, Focus Blast and Stone Edge with No Guard. Could be a good choice user.. __________________ gotta stick to your macros if you wanna mack hoes

Oct 8th, 2012, 5:27:16 PM	#7
Amarillo yellow! Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 713	OP: Air Ballon Elekid with Wonder Guard. use it with a spinner and magic bounce audino Have fun! (you're missing the therian formes) __________________ ~~

Oct 8th, 2012, 5:29:55 PM	#8
*Birkal We have the technology. Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,999 The Mentor	I think Sand Stream Dragonite and Illusion Torkoal are my favorites, lol. __________________

Oct 8th, 2012, 9:34:46 AM	#3
Dusk209 No relation. Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 149	Here are some of my favorites from the list: - Contrary Zebstrika (overheat spam) - Prankster Yanmega - Shadow Tag Electrode / Purugly - Chlorophyll Articuno - Moxie Virizion - Lightningrod Raikou (one of the few abilities that fit :O) - Multiscale Steelix / Meloetta

Oct 8th, 2012, 5:12:29 PM	#6
Relados Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 332	Any chance of putting secondary abilities on, or are these in addition to their normal ones?

Oct 8th, 2012, 5:35:26 PM	#9
Ace Emerald Greatest Team Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,233 Lost in thought Mentor	I like the concept, but somethings are a little sketch. Honestly, you may want to consider removing Wonder Guard and Pure Power because they are way to good. The only abuser of Pure Power seems to be Galvantula, but that is scary as hell. Jolly Galvantula clears 500 attack with no item. It might have barely any physical moves, but it has STABs (Wild Charge and X-Scissor), Sucker Punch, and reliable Return. Not to mention Agility, which will put Adamant in front of everything with a LO 556 attack stat. Or you can just CB spam, with a starting attack of 759. As for Wonder Guard, so many Pokemon are set up bait for what is already a fantastic set up sweeper, Volcarona. I don't think Elekid with a Balloon can be beaten without Mold Breakers, of which we have Wynaut and Spinarak, and it can beat both 1 v 1. It can Curse it's way to 988 Attack and destroy you. While the idea of pure random if great, I don't think your current metagame is balanced at all, and a balanced metagame is what promotes creativity. As a small note, you also have Forecast in there, which I'm pretty sure only works for Castform. I also think you should give each Pokemon two abilities, but all this is your call. __________________ \|UU Hub\|Work\|

Oct 8th, 2012, 5:38:53 PM	#10
Feranfell Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 184 lilligants forever	Maybe you could run the list one, maybe two more times so pokemon have more than ability to chose from? __________________ PSA from PenorDog

Oct 8th, 2012, 5:42:45 PM	#11
ThisMysteriousGuy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 263 Rock Tunnel	Not sure if people are joking Or are legitimately interested Anyways, I agree with Ace Emerald in that it's a decent concept but the execution is rather iffy and really seems messed up Air Balloon Elekid breaks the meta. I also agree with Relados that their original abilities should be available Last edited by ThisMysteriousGuy; Oct 8th, 2012 at 5:55:49 PM. Reason: I CAN'T READ

Oct 8th, 2012, 6:00:34 PM	#12
Molk Recipe for disaster Moderator Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,218 Long Island	im really liking the thought of sheer force drapion, even if it still wasnt viable in OU it would still be cool in the UU metagame with the elemental fangs, crunch, poison jab: etc to abuse it with. Multiscale steelix and tinted lens sceptile also caught my eye. (im an RU player so yeah, lol). I personally agree that abilities like wonder guard and pure power should be removed and randomly replaced. It just doesnt seem balanced when one of the top threats in OU (volcarona) is immune to many forms of direct damage. Theres also lol elekid, who would be pretty much unbeatable if its holding an air balloon :/. Overall i think this is pretty cool =). EDIT: magic guard land shaymin :o __________________ 16:46 <TLCNU> Esca literally is 2HKO'd by Stoutland Fire Fang 10:33 skylight molk put me in your sig

Oct 8th, 2012, 6:15:02 PM	#13
SpecsX Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 372 Starfing with Harvest	I don't think you need to change the movepools, but another ability or two would be good. Ban Wonder Guard. Keep Pure Power for a while, I think it might not be that OP. No Guard Zap Cannon Probopass guys. Tinted Lens Specs Leaf Storm from Sceptile. Snow Warning Snorlax. __________________ <awaychuck> alk your mom is so stupid that she thought the chain rule was used by antebellum mathematicians in the South On Patrat: <Dracoyoshi8> i like to imagine its cheeks are full of semen

Oct 8th, 2012, 6:44:08 PM	#14
Feranfell Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 184 lilligants forever	Also, ubers banned or not? __________________ PSA from PenorDog

Oct 8th, 2012, 7:18:01 PM	#16
SpecsX Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 372 Starfing with Harvest	Snow Cloak Jirachi ! ! HaxRachi just got more annoying. No mons with Guts? Ban Flare Boost Gligar. __________________ <awaychuck> alk your mom is so stupid that she thought the chain rule was used by antebellum mathematicians in the South On Patrat: <Dracoyoshi8> i like to imagine its cheeks are full of semen

Oct 8th, 2012, 7:24:08 PM	#17
Feranfell Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 184 lilligants forever	If ubers are allowed, I'm up for a battle (no air balloon elekid <_>) if you are, hit me up on the OM IRC server EDIT : Did my first match (possibly the first match ever) and Volcarona is considerably unflappably broken __________________ PSA from PenorDog Last edited by Feranfell; Oct 8th, 2012 at 8:50:33 PM. Reason: cos i can

Oct 8th, 2012, 10:12:36 PM	#18
*Birkal We have the technology. Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,999 The Mentor	Posting to say that this is the best other metagame since six move battling. Had some good laughs over some of this stuff; gonna be building a team over the weekend to rock the house. However, I have a few suggestions. First, you said that Pokemon don't get the same abilities that they originally had, but Scrafty has Moxie... Did you check for Dream World abilities? And what about move illegalities, specifically with moves Pokemon receive in the Dream World? And what about Pokemon that are currently ranked in Ubers; are they allowed? Also, I think we'd all like to see more. I think if Pokemon had two (or maybe even three) abilities, that would be awesome and give us some much needed diversity. What are your thoughts? __________________

Oct 8th, 2012, 10:25:16 PM	#19
Zacchaeus Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 3,268	Simple Breloom sounds scary with either a Bulk Up set or a Swords Dance priority abuse set Wonder Skin Regigigas is sure to see some use but probably not as much as a few other things Snow Warning Seadra could be a contender Eviolite Drought Gloom could be fun *Drizzle Golduck sounds like a good time too

Oct 8th, 2012, 10:36:09 PM	#21
*Birkal We have the technology. Super Moderator** Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 2,999 The Mentor	Asking too much to split up Wonkymons into Ubers, OU, and everything else. How about we just start fresh (no ubers) and if we need to ban stuff we can. Also voting Ban Moody, Wonder Guard, and Pure Power. __________________

Oct 9th, 2012, 12:08:31 AM	#23
Afti Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 247	Shadow Tag Electrode is actually interesting - it's just what Electrode needs in order to be a relevant threat in OU. I can see this going well. Something like this set, used in the rain, would be a hell of a revenge killer. Electrode@Choice Specs Timid 4 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe -Thunder -Volt Switch -Hidden Power [Ice] -Signal Beam Basically, play it like it was running Thunder/--/--/--. Spam Specs Thunders on things that don't have a favorable type matchup. Barring fast Pokémon with boosts, you're not going to be outrun.

Oct 9th, 2012, 12:57:32 AM	#24
The_Eevee_General Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 82 Porygon Oregon	New secondary abilities are up! Some big threats have developed... Volcarona gets Solar Power. Shadow Tag Terrakion. Speed Boost Keldeo. Contrary Palkia.

Oct 9th, 2012, 1:14:05 AM	#25
GatoDelFuego U HAVIN A FOKIN GIGGLE THER M8 ILL BASH YE HEAD IN I SWEAR ON ME MUM Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,081 The University of Alabama Mentor	Deoxys-Speed - Unburden This is probably the most hilarious thing I've ever seen. Also there are a couple of really, really cool things that have appeared. Motor Drive Haxorus? Sand Rush scrafty? It's just cool. It would be impossible to memorize all of this, but I think with some kind of challenge-cup style battling it would be very fun. __________________ Part of the GP team, message me for a check! Sharpen your skills as a GP checker in the GRAMMAR DOJO!