(Ubers) Gerudo Valley

Thepoke4ever · Oct 16th, 2012, 3:08:31 PM

Hello all, this is Thepoke4ever. This is my second RMT, and this team is amazing. I went 0-1 with the top of the Uber's ladder on Showdown with this team, and that was only because he crited my Excadrill. I would have 2hkoed him, but oh well. The team is based off of Tony Flygon's Uber Sandstorm team from TheFlamingSpade. So onto the team, which hasn't been modified at all. One thing, if someone can help with the Ttar's EV spread, how many Attack EVs will I need to OHKO standard Darkrai? Thank you so much if you can post a link, or just tell me that would be great. Thank you.

Death Mountain (Tyranitar)@ Lum berry
EVs/200 HP/ 56 Atk/ 252 SpD
Ability: Sand Stream
Nature: Adamant
Stealth rock
Superpower
Pursuit
Protect

Three jobs for this thing. Rocks, sand, and Darkrai anti lead. Feel free to edit everything on this except for the moveset. The idea is Darkrai Dark Voids, Lum berry wakes me up, and superpower to KO. Please help for how many EVs needed for that.

Ganon (Excadrill)@ Life Orb
Ability: Sand rush
EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Nature: Adamant
Earthquake
Rock slide
Swords Dance
Rapid Spin

Spins Away hazards, then proceeds to KILL all things. Outspeeds everything unboosted with neutral nature except Deoxys-S. about it. I love Excadrill

Kaepora Gaebora (Lugia)@ Leftovers
Ability: Multiscale
EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spe
Nature Calm
Whirlwind
Toxic
Ice beam
Roost

OMG this thing is bulky! Max HP and Defense with Calm nature allows it to be a mixed wall. Phazes oponents out, tpxics, roosts off extra damage, and Ice beams in case of Taunt. Once again, Lugia Bulky.

Like Like (Ferrothorn)@ Leftovers
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 252 HP/ 4 atk/ 252 Def
Nature: Impish
Power whip
Spikes
Leech Seed
Protect

Ferrothorn is so lovely. He takes hits nicely. He can protect to scout. set up spikes. and leech seed all things. Yeah

Din (Arceus-Ghost)@ Spooky Plate
Ability: Multitype
EVs: 4 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe
Nature: Modest
Judgement
calm mind
Flamethrower
Recover

Ok, Spin blocker, special sweeper, Bulky, whats not to like? Calm mind up, recover off damage, then sweep. He's powerful. Flamethower Ferrothorn, and Judgement other things. I know Ttar walls it, but who gives a crap. Chomp or drill will kill it.

Ganondorf (Garchomp)@Life orb
Ability: sand veil
Nature: Jolly
EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe
Outrage
Earthquake
stone edge
swords dance

Phisical sweeper. With Jolly it outspeeds Arceus without a Speed boosting nature. I'm thinking about fire fang over swords dance, because I rarely get to set up.

Feel free to do what you want with the team, so its cool. Peace

Haruno · Oct 16th, 2012, 3:28:21 PM

Ohko'ing standard lead darkrai isn't a problem with your current ev set. A bigger problem is you have nothing that can stop kyogre. I can honestly see a scarf lead kyogre take out a mon or two with minimum difficulty and half your team needs sand to function properly. To remedy this I'd suggest replacing Lugia with with scarfed gene since although gene can't switch into kyogre it can scout/revenge quite easily since your team lacks a counter to groudon and kyogre and gene fills both roles. It also gets rid of those pesky latis with u-turn

Gensect @ choice scarf
+speed - SpD
252 speed/ 100 Atk/ 258 SpA
U turn
Ice beam
Thunder
Bug buzz/flamethrower

Hope I helped

JirachiCelebiMew · Oct 16th, 2012, 5:51:56 PM

It may be a check in Defensive typing, but in Offensive, Genesect all the way. He's very popular in Ubers, and is in no way too frail.

Haruno · Oct 16th, 2012, 7:26:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat evillocke

Palkia has higher spatk, more bulk, and thunder. Palkia has always been a kyogre check.

No just no. +1 gene will be superior to palkia attacking wise without a doubt. Palkia however is slower than gene and it doesn't have the utility needed to run a scarf unless you're asking to just get set up on. Don't see why you bothered saying palkia has thunder. Lol palkia checking kyogre. Also removing lugia and replacing with palkia will make him very dd ray weak which is a nono.

So overall my advice to tc would be replacing lugia for genesect. Ditching calm mind on ghost arceus for will o wisp instead just to check various physical sweepers like zekrom/extreme killer/kyurem-b

Thepoke4ever · Oct 16th, 2012, 9:38:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Haruno

No just no. +1 gene will be superior to palkia attacking wise without a doubt. Palkia however is slower than gene and it doesn't have the utility needed to run a scarf unless you're asking to just get set up on. Don't see why you bothered saying palkia has thunder. Lol palkia checking kyogre. Also removing lugia and replacing with palkia will make him very dd ray weak which is a nono.

So overall my advice to tc would be replacing lugia for genesect. Ditching calm mind on ghost arceus for will o wisp instead just to check various physical sweepers like zekrom/extreme killer/kyurem-b

Hell no. Without Lugia, i lose my primary stus inducer and second part of my defensive core. Will-o-wisp over calm mind loses the appeal of Arceus. Without it, why run Arceus as a spin blocker? Why not Giratina-a, who is bulkier. Plus, scarf Kyogre is a non-issue. I have fought them numerus times and won. Lock him into the wrong move, then bring in the appropiant Poke. I appreciate the comments, but think over my descriptions. Everything except chomp has more than one role, so just think about that all yall.

Phozon · Oct 16th, 2012, 10:19:07 PM

Ok. First off:
Hey dude, nice sand team. Looks like you got alot of power here. Though they are right you have a huge water problem. Why not try Arceus-Grass or Water? Those two can generally take on Kyoger pretty well. Also, try this Ferrothorn spread:

Ferrothorn- Careful
252 Hp/ 80 Def/ 172 Sp.Def
@ Leftovers
Leech Seed
Stealth Rocks
Power Whip
Protect

This is probably Ferrothorns best set in Ubers. Also, may I recomend a Sub- SD chomp w/ dule STAB? It works well in ubers with VERY few pokes that want to take a hit from it:

Garchomp- Life Orb/ Salac Berry/ Leftovers
Jolly-252Atk/ 252Speed/ 6HP
Sub
Swords Dance
Dragon Claw/ Outrage
Earthquake

Also, to the Genesect comment. My current Ubers team runs Genesect and it does just fine. Its currently ranked #6 in Ubers.
I hope this helps man [: and good luck!

Oct 16th, 2012, 3:08:31 PM	#1
Thepoke4ever Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 12 I live in Ohio	Gerudo Valley Hello all, this is Thepoke4ever. This is my second RMT, and this team is amazing. I went 0-1 with the top of the Uber's ladder on Showdown with this team, and that was only because he crited my Excadrill. I would have 2hkoed him, but oh well. The team is based off of Tony Flygon's Uber Sandstorm team from TheFlamingSpade. So onto the team, which hasn't been modified at all. One thing, if someone can help with the Ttar's EV spread, how many Attack EVs will I need to OHKO standard Darkrai? Thank you so much if you can post a link, or just tell me that would be great. Thank you. Death Mountain (Tyranitar)@ Lum berry EVs/200 HP/ 56 Atk/ 252 SpD Ability: Sand Stream Nature: Adamant Stealth rock Superpower Pursuit Protect Three jobs for this thing. Rocks, sand, and Darkrai anti lead. Feel free to edit everything on this except for the moveset. The idea is Darkrai Dark Voids, Lum berry wakes me up, and superpower to KO. Please help for how many EVs needed for that. Ganon (Excadrill)@ Life Orb Ability: Sand rush EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe Nature: Adamant Earthquake Rock slide Swords Dance Rapid Spin Spins Away hazards, then proceeds to KILL all things. Outspeeds everything unboosted with neutral nature except Deoxys-S. about it. I love Excadrill Kaepora Gaebora (Lugia)@ Leftovers Ability: Multiscale EVs: 252 HP/ 252 Def/ 4 Spe Nature Calm Whirlwind Toxic Ice beam Roost OMG this thing is bulky! Max HP and Defense with Calm nature allows it to be a mixed wall. Phazes oponents out, tpxics, roosts off extra damage, and Ice beams in case of Taunt. Once again, Lugia Bulky. Like Like (Ferrothorn)@ Leftovers Ability: Iron Barbs EVs: 252 HP/ 4 atk/ 252 Def Nature: Impish Power whip Spikes Leech Seed Protect Ferrothorn is so lovely. He takes hits nicely. He can protect to scout. set up spikes. and leech seed all things. Yeah Din (Arceus-Ghost)@ Spooky Plate Ability: Multitype EVs: 4 HP/ 252 SpA/ 252 Spe Nature: Modest Judgement calm mind Flamethrower Recover Ok, Spin blocker, special sweeper, Bulky, whats not to like? Calm mind up, recover off damage, then sweep. He's powerful. Flamethower Ferrothorn, and Judgement other things. I know Ttar walls it, but who gives a crap. Chomp or drill will kill it. Ganondorf (Garchomp)@Life orb Ability: sand veil Nature: Jolly EVs: 4 HP/ 252 Atk/ 252 Spe Outrage Earthquake stone edge swords dance Phisical sweeper. With Jolly it outspeeds Arceus without a Speed boosting nature. I'm thinking about fire fang over swords dance, because I rarely get to set up. Feel free to do what you want with the team, so its cool. Peace __________________ Garchomp in OU? Outrageous!

Oct 16th, 2012, 3:28:21 PM	#2
Haruno Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 123 Cali	Ohko'ing standard lead darkrai isn't a problem with your current ev set. A bigger problem is you have nothing that can stop kyogre. I can honestly see a scarf lead kyogre take out a mon or two with minimum difficulty and half your team needs sand to function properly. To remedy this I'd suggest replacing Lugia with with scarfed gene since although gene can't switch into kyogre it can scout/revenge quite easily since your team lacks a counter to groudon and kyogre and gene fills both roles. It also gets rid of those pesky latis with u-turn Gensect @ choice scarf +speed - SpD 252 speed/ 100 Atk/ 258 SpA U turn Ice beam Thunder Bug buzz/flamethrower Hope I helped

Oct 16th, 2012, 5:51:56 PM	#3
JirachiCelebiMew Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 250 The Great Big Sea (Montreal)	It may be a check in Defensive typing, but in Offensive, Genesect all the way. He's very popular in Ubers, and is in no way too frail.

Oct 16th, 2012, 10:19:07 PM	#6
Phozon Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 46 Manchester, NH	Ok. First off: Hey dude, nice sand team. Looks like you got alot of power here. Though they are right you have a huge water problem. Why not try Arceus-Grass or Water? Those two can generally take on Kyoger pretty well. Also, try this Ferrothorn spread: *Ferrothorn- Careful* *252 Hp/ 80 Def/ 172 Sp.Def* *@ Leftovers* *Leech Seed* *Stealth Rocks* *Power Whip* *Protect* This is probably Ferrothorns best set in Ubers. Also, may I recomend a Sub- SD chomp w/ dule STAB? It works well in ubers with VERY few pokes that want to take a hit from it: *Garchomp- Life Orb/ Salac Berry/ Leftovers* *Jolly-252Atk/ 252Speed/ 6HP* *Sub* *Swords Dance* *Dragon Claw/ Outrage* *Earthquake* Also, to the Genesect comment. My current Ubers team runs Genesect and it does just fine. Its currently ranked #6 in Ubers. I hope this helps man [: and good luck! __________________ Sparkxz: Just a meteor comeing to you. Phozon: What is this? Sparkxz: Blaze Bird Leafeon: Blaze Bird, yes, this must happen.