Join Avenue

Otto · Oct 20th, 2012, 6:00:16 AM

A nice general topic about Join Avenue. How's your avenue going?

For people who don't know about the Join Avenue, this image may help^^

Thanks to Zowayix for finding this image

I have a quick question to start off the topic: what are the best competitive shops?

Superpowerdude · Oct 20th, 2012, 6:25:05 AM

Idk well i just got started in join avenue and i have all these flower shops -_-

TM13IceBeam · Oct 20th, 2012, 6:57:20 AM

i have my join avenue at rank 2

not really much use though, the happiness ones were kinda fine for evolving riolu, antiques is meh-ish (i just got 4 hard stones ._.), raffle is... obvious.
:/

Gokuzbu · Oct 20th, 2012, 7:01:56 AM

Use the magnemite coil

callforjudgement · Oct 20th, 2012, 9:01:14 AM

Just an explanation of magnemite flipping or whatever you want to call it for people who've never seen it before: you catch a random wild magnemite, then repeatedly chain-trade it for other magnemites (of any level) on the GTS. There are a lot of people doing that, so you get a huge number of GTS trades very quickly, and it's self-sustaining as long as people still want to level up their Join Avenue.

**R_N** · Oct 20th, 2012, 12:48:09 PM

Right now my Avenue is Rank 13, though I haven't taken advantage of the Magneimite thing.
Right now I have 1 berry shop, 3 antique shops, 1 Fitness, 1 Raffle, 1 Salon (I basically guarantee 1 happiness evolution every day at this point), and 1 Deli/Cafe.

The third antique shop is a bit overkill so I'm hoping to replace it with either a Nursery or a White/White 2 berry shop.
I'm not too hot on the Cafe at this point, I may replace that with a Nursery/Florist too

Anyone else sad you can only reccomend shops to Gym Leaders? I'm surprised they didn't make them have ~exclusive~ items or something

rocky505 · Oct 20th, 2012, 1:46:07 PM

I'm at rank 6.

3 fitness(one is a ring)
2 raffle
1 flower shop
1 antique shop
1 cafe

Wyrms Eye · Oct 20th, 2012, 2:37:45 PM

My Japanese Black Join Avenue is currently Rank 29 and I'm just trying to max out the discounts and the final shop on the street, which is a Raffle Shop. Got one of every shop, apart from no Nursery which is replaced with an additional cafe.

My English White Avenue is currently at Rank 12 thanks to the Magnemite Coil. I've got 1 Florist, 1 Cafe, 1 Fitness, 1 Raffle, 2 Markets and 2 Antique Shops, but they're around the rank 5 status for each of them. I actually prefer this current setup against my Japanese Black setup mostly because I'm using more of the shops on a daily basis, the Markets and Antique Shops inparticular because they offer very appealing bargains and you can farm some good stuff from the antique sellers which make them worthwhile in the long run (6 Big Nuggets on the Japanese cart = stinking rich)

In terms of competitive shops, this really depends on what you want out of it to help from a competitive sense. Heavy breeders will almost certainly want to invest in a Nursery, although you can argue that with the breeding getting messed up in this version it isn't as useful unless you trade eggs over from the preceding games. If your doing EV training I strongly recommend investing in Markets, Fitness and Bistros. Markets are useful as you get mega discounts on the vitamins that each of them sells and if you can get two Markets selling the whole range you are set from that perspective.

The Fitness and Bistro also provide EV Training options, but these are only really value for money once to maximise the entire avenue's discount on all goods (maxes out at 40%), which make them better value for money than vitamins bought from a regular store. You also get items that raise pokemon levels at these two, including one at the Bistros once you reach rank 10 on the shop that raises level by 8. Using the levelling options does mean you miss any level-up moves at the levels you jump though, but at the higher end of the scale, they make excellent items to boost you to the level 100s.

If you also require EV-reduction services, I'd recommend getting a Salon, and possibly a Florist as they provide the relevant services. I recommend a Florist anyways, as you can buy the mulch he sells there and make an arbitrage profit using the Breeder in Mistralton City on every item. The Markets are also good for abusing arbitrage opportunities once they start selling you RageCandyBars, Old Gateaus and Lava Cookies with that Maid on Route 5. They've been especially useful in funding my uses of the level training services on the avenues every so often.

Joeyboy · Oct 20th, 2012, 2:42:12 PM

I've got a question, do I want more than one of the same store?

When I get people in and I invite them, if they say they want to open a store that I already have one of I've never bothered with them. So does having say 2+ fitness things make the avenue better? Also some of the recommend "lines" are just stupid, you need serebii's page to decipher a lot of them.

Also brb doing the magnemite coil :) Also GTS noob here, I just put up a magnemite. Do I have to wait in the GTS thing to trade? Whats the most efficient way to go about this? Nvm got one within a few minutes xD

Wyrms Eye · Oct 20th, 2012, 4:14:25 PM

There is nothing detrimental to not having one of every store apart from you obviously lose out on some of the services in exchange for doubling up on others. The way that the stores work mean that to get the full selection of goods and services from any particular type of shop, you will need more than one of any shop. A good case in point is the Cafe/ Bistro which you need the two variants to get the full selection of goods and the Florist which requires all four variants to get the full selection of Berries and Mulches (and if anyone has all four Florist shop variants in their Avenue that is quite the achievement).

Of all of the shops that are available, I personally would recommend not getting a duplicate of the Raffle, purely because you can only get one item from it a day, and with anything luck-based, it will usually go against you. But again, it is what you want from the avenue itself that matters and should typically steer your decision on shops.

Sprocket · Oct 20th, 2012, 6:40:21 PM

Is it possible to remove a shop once you have it?

Faint · Oct 20th, 2012, 6:42:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Sprocket

Is it possible to remove a shop once you have it?

I believe if you try adding another shop when you reach the max (8) you have the ability to remove one.

Antihaxxer · Oct 20th, 2012, 7:19:57 PM

Why do they start a Magnemite coil and not a Pidove or a Patrat coil ?

Faint · Oct 20th, 2012, 7:27:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Antihaxxer

Why do they start a Magnemite coil and not a Pidove or a Patrat coil ?

I assume it's a pun on coil with Magnemite's being connected and stuff.

nevermind: [19:38:47] <&cerulean> coil is magnemites jp name

Joeyboy · Oct 20th, 2012, 7:48:48 PM

Who started it?!? Its so awesome! Assuming its been going on since jp release?

Jimera0 · Oct 20th, 2012, 8:23:45 PM

I literally JUST got to the join avenue in my Black 2 game, but I thought it might be interesting to people to know that I've made absolutely all my talking things (including the introduction and reaction on the join avenue) into variations of "Meeeooork!". Yah know, because like, yeah. Oh, and I gave myself the title "Fuzzy". Those who get the reference get an awesome cookie!

Anyway, this seems really interesting but it seems very complicated and Bulbapedia's information on the area is rather bare bones right now. Anyone know where I can find a good hunk of information on what each shop carries and what those things do? If anyone does find such a cache of information it'd probably be a good idea to put it in the OP for reference!

Zowayix · Oct 20th, 2012, 9:28:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Antihaxxer

Why do they start a Magnemite coil and not a Pidove or a Patrat coil ?

I found this picture:

SunshineCat · Oct 20th, 2012, 9:54:29 PM

My Join Avenue is at Level 13, with 3 Dojos, a Florist, Market, Salon, Antique Shop and Raffle (will replace with Nursery after E4). The only reason I haven't finished the game by now is the Join Avenue, actually. It's quite addictive building the avenue o;

Antihaxxer · Oct 21st, 2012, 3:52:30 AM

Thanks for the explanation of Magnemite Coil (Magnet Pull / Thunderwave / Sonic Boon / Early catch)

Wyrms Eye · Oct 21st, 2012, 6:32:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jimera0

Anyway, this seems really interesting but it seems very complicated and Bulbapedia's information on the area is rather bare bones right now. Anyone know where I can find a good hunk of information on what each shop carries and what those things do? If anyone does find such a cache of information it'd probably be a good idea to put it in the OP for reference!

The best information regarding the stores and services, including the variations on each shop's items by what game is played by your shopper, I believe is Serebii's page on the avenue. It carries pretty much everything required for it, including the recommendations for people walking the avenue in both languages.

http://www.serebii.net/black2white2/joinavenue.shtml

Something that isn't mentioned on that page though that I've just found out from general browsing of sites and also through my Japanese version is that once the avenue obtains eight rank 10 shops, the entire avenue gets what looks like a 50% discount across all goods for a week.

Otto · Oct 21st, 2012, 6:42:51 AM

But which shop is most useless in your opinion?:) I like dojo's and cafe's because of the lvl and EV services. But what the beauty parlor has (happiness and ev reduction) also happens at the combination of a cafe and florist. Rather have an extra dojo/cafe then. Same for raffle. How useful is the antique actually?

tlyee61 · Oct 22nd, 2012, 1:08:15 AM

I just got to Rank 5 tonight. I think I have every shop except the Nursery. (currently have 2 marts)

**R_N** · Oct 22nd, 2012, 1:56:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Otto

But which shop is most useless in your opinion?:) I like dojo's and cafe's because of the lvl and EV services. But what the beauty parlor has (happiness and ev reduction) also happens at the combination of a cafe and florist. Rather have an extra dojo/cafe then. Same for raffle. How useful is the antique actually?

I enjoy the antique shop because it's relatively cheap and you have the potential to get nice items.

On the other hand: Hard Stones
Hard Stones as far as the eye can see

Can you sr for what you get out of them or is it set for the day

Wyrms Eye · Oct 22nd, 2012, 9:46:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Otto

But which shop is most useless in your opinion?:) I like dojo's and cafe's because of the lvl and EV services. But what the beauty parlor has (happiness and ev reduction) also happens at the combination of a cafe and florist. Rather have an extra dojo/cafe then. Same for raffle. How useful is the antique actually?

Most useless in my opinion? I have to agree with the Beauty Salon as you have said, as it does encompass a lot of the features of the cafe with happiness and the florist with EV reduction services (although not nearly to the efficient standard of the Salon mind you). There's also the fact that the majority of the EV reduction berries are obtainable on Route 5 as well and for a competitive price. I don't think I've used any of the Salon services on my Join Avenue's at all.

The antique shops can be very useful but as R_N has also alluded to, also very infuriating in regards to you will receive a lot of Hard Stones from the cheaper items they sell. I currently have around ten days worth of Hard Stones accumulated from my rank 10 shop; currently totalling 87 of them. I think in the long-term, if you only buy the best few items in the shop, your strike rate for finding a good item will be remarkably higher than buying every item on offer like I do out of sheer habit, and you will make money out of the transactions with big like Nuggets and Pearls and just useful items in general.

Afti · Oct 22nd, 2012, 12:34:23 PM

I'm going to point out that you can resell Hard Stones to the ore collector for $500; this means that you can turn a profit on average, even if every single package contains a Hard Stone.

I'd call the Nursery most useless - yes, it should be incredibly useful. But the broken breeding mechanics mean that you're going to do any serious breeding in Black 1/White 1 anyway. So, unless you decide to trade all your eggs over...

Oct 20th, 2012, 6:00:16 AM	#1
Otto Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 47	Join Avenue A nice general topic about Join Avenue. How's your avenue going? For people who don't know about the Join Avenue, this image may help^^ Thanks to Zowayix for finding this image I have a quick question to start off the topic: what are the best competitive shops? Last edited by Otto; Oct 23rd, 2012 at 6:39:49 AM.

Oct 20th, 2012, 6:25:05 AM	#2
Superpowerdude #Noivern Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 945 Australia Mentor	Idk well i just got started in join avenue and i have all these flower shops -_- __________________ #ratemyteam \| Smog Work\| Rater Of the Week \| RMT \| Dogbirds Join #dogbirds on irc!!!

Oct 20th, 2012, 6:57:20 AM	#3
TM13IceBeam Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,249 stuck in the past, locked in the present, banned from the future	i have my join avenue at rank 2 not really much use though, the happiness ones were kinda fine for evolving riolu, antiques is meh-ish (i just got 4 hard stones ._.), raffle is... obvious. :/ __________________ Start of turn 24 Natu used Grass Knot! It's super effective! The foe's Corsola lost 31% of its health! Riolu ftw Amazing Rotom-S is amazing KAKUNA i'm dead, don't bother contacting me

Oct 20th, 2012, 9:01:14 AM	#5
callforjudgement Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 302	Just an explanation of magnemite flipping or whatever you want to call it for people who've never seen it before: you catch a random wild magnemite, then repeatedly chain-trade it for other magnemites (of any level) on the GTS. There are a lot of people doing that, so you get a huge number of GTS trades very quickly, and it's self-sustaining as long as people still want to level up their Join Avenue. __________________ Pokémon spinoffs: Ranger You freak out when you hear a Clamperl; Mystery Dungeon You freak out when you see a Ledian. <Sunflora> So let me get this straight: you're sending me into a dungeon full of lava, to capture a Haunter which is part poison type?

Oct 20th, 2012, 1:46:07 PM	#7
rocky505 Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 227	I'm at rank 6. 3 fitness(one is a ring) 2 raffle 1 flower shop 1 antique shop 1 cafe __________________ HG FC:4683 7986 4411

Oct 20th, 2012, 7:01:56 AM	#4
Gokuzbu Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 168	Use the magnemite coil

Oct 20th, 2012, 12:48:09 PM	#6
R_N Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,426	Right now my Avenue is Rank 13, though I haven't taken advantage of the Magneimite thing. Right now I have 1 berry shop, 3 antique shops, 1 Fitness, 1 Raffle, 1 Salon (I basically guarantee 1 happiness evolution every day at this point), and 1 Deli/Cafe. The third antique shop is a bit overkill so I'm hoping to replace it with either a Nursery or a White/White 2 berry shop. I'm not too hot on the Cafe at this point, I may replace that with a Nursery/Florist too Anyone else sad you can only reccomend shops to Gym Leaders? I'm surprised they didn't make them have ~exclusive~ items or something

Oct 20th, 2012, 2:37:45 PM	#8
Wyrms Eye Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31 On a rock hurtling through space	My Japanese Black Join Avenue is currently Rank 29 and I'm just trying to max out the discounts and the final shop on the street, which is a Raffle Shop. Got one of every shop, apart from no Nursery which is replaced with an additional cafe. My English White Avenue is currently at Rank 12 thanks to the Magnemite Coil. I've got 1 Florist, 1 Cafe, 1 Fitness, 1 Raffle, 2 Markets and 2 Antique Shops, but they're around the rank 5 status for each of them. I actually prefer this current setup against my Japanese Black setup mostly because I'm using more of the shops on a daily basis, the Markets and Antique Shops inparticular because they offer very appealing bargains and you can farm some good stuff from the antique sellers which make them worthwhile in the long run (6 Big Nuggets on the Japanese cart = stinking rich) In terms of competitive shops, this really depends on what you want out of it to help from a competitive sense. Heavy breeders will almost certainly want to invest in a Nursery, although you can argue that with the breeding getting messed up in this version it isn't as useful unless you trade eggs over from the preceding games. If your doing EV training I strongly recommend investing in Markets, Fitness and Bistros. Markets are useful as you get mega discounts on the vitamins that each of them sells and if you can get two Markets selling the whole range you are set from that perspective. The Fitness and Bistro also provide EV Training options, but these are only really value for money once to maximise the entire avenue's discount on all goods (maxes out at 40%), which make them better value for money than vitamins bought from a regular store. You also get items that raise pokemon levels at these two, including one at the Bistros once you reach rank 10 on the shop that raises level by 8. Using the levelling options does mean you miss any level-up moves at the levels you jump though, but at the higher end of the scale, they make excellent items to boost you to the level 100s. If you also require EV-reduction services, I'd recommend getting a Salon, and possibly a Florist as they provide the relevant services. I recommend a Florist anyways, as you can buy the mulch he sells there and make an arbitrage profit using the Breeder in Mistralton City on every item. The Markets are also good for abusing arbitrage opportunities once they start selling you RageCandyBars, Old Gateaus and Lava Cookies with that Maid on Route 5. They've been especially useful in funding my uses of the level training services on the avenues every so often. __________________ *Fire type enthusiast since 1998*

Oct 20th, 2012, 2:42:12 PM	#9
Joeyboy Check out my new Youtube channel! Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 1,252 JoeyboyGames! Mentor	I've got a question, do I want more than one of the same store? When I get people in and I invite them, if they say they want to open a store that I already have one of I've never bothered with them. So does having say 2+ fitness things make the avenue better? Also some of the recommend "lines" are just stupid, you need serebii's page to decipher a lot of them. Also brb doing the magnemite coil :) Also GTS noob here, I just put up a magnemite. Do I have to wait in the GTS thing to trade? Whats the most efficient way to go about this? Nvm got one within a few minutes xD __________________ Youtube Channel \| Latest OU Mini-Tour \| Smog Work Last edited by Joeyboy; Oct 20th, 2012 at 2:53:23 PM.

Oct 20th, 2012, 4:14:25 PM	#10
Wyrms Eye Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 31 On a rock hurtling through space	There is nothing detrimental to not having one of every store apart from you obviously lose out on some of the services in exchange for doubling up on others. The way that the stores work mean that to get the full selection of goods and services from any particular type of shop, you will need more than one of any shop. A good case in point is the Cafe/ Bistro which you need the two variants to get the full selection of goods and the Florist which requires all four variants to get the full selection of Berries and Mulches (and if anyone has all four Florist shop variants in their Avenue that is quite the achievement). Of all of the shops that are available, I personally would recommend not getting a duplicate of the Raffle, purely because you can only get one item from it a day, and with anything luck-based, it will usually go against you. But again, it is what you want from the avenue itself that matters and should typically steer your decision on shops. __________________ *Fire type enthusiast since 1998*

Oct 20th, 2012, 6:40:21 PM	#11
Sprocket Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,494 Phoenix, AZ	Is it possible to remove a shop once you have it? __________________ Black FC: 2537-3042-2350 VGC2012 Analysis: Slowbro (Uploaded)

Oct 20th, 2012, 7:19:57 PM	#13
Antihaxxer Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 339	Why do they start a Magnemite coil and not a Pidove or a Patrat coil ?

Oct 20th, 2012, 7:48:48 PM	#15
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Oct 20th, 2012, 8:23:45 PM	#16
Jimera0 I have to get to GOLDENROD for myEnemy ??????? Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 1,464 Canada Mentor	I literally JUST got to the join avenue in my Black 2 game, but I thought it might be interesting to people to know that I've made absolutely all my talking things (including the introduction and reaction on the join avenue) into variations of "Meeeooork!". Yah know, because like, yeah. Oh, and I gave myself the title "Fuzzy". Those who get the reference get an awesome cookie! Anyway, this seems really interesting but it seems very complicated and Bulbapedia's information on the area is rather bare bones right now. Anyone know where I can find a good hunk of information on what each shop carries and what those things do? If anyone does find such a cache of information it'd probably be a good idea to put it in the OP for reference! __________________ Credits for avatar go to my friend Seraphinu! My Scramble Challanges: Found here Current Challange: Hard Emerald Scramble No more video updates, sorry! The Gauntlet Challenge! Need help learning how to battle or getting into the Smogon community? Use the Mentorship Program!

Oct 20th, 2012, 9:54:29 PM	#18
SunshineCat Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,235 New Zealand, GMT+12/13	My Join Avenue is at Level 13, with 3 Dojos, a Florist, Market, Salon, Antique Shop and Raffle (will replace with Nursery after E4). The only reason I haven't finished the game by now is the Join Avenue, actually. It's quite addictive building the avenue o; __________________ On hiatus because of exams. Reply to CMTs in Trade Thread Platinum FC: 5243-8219-5239 HeartGold FC: 1935-2907-9635 Black FC: 1291-8550-5908

Oct 21st, 2012, 3:52:30 AM	#19
Antihaxxer Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 339	Thanks for the explanation of Magnemite Coil (Magnet Pull / Thunderwave / Sonic Boon / Early catch)

Oct 21st, 2012, 6:42:51 AM	#21
Otto Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 47	But which shop is most useless in your opinion?:) I like dojo's and cafe's because of the lvl and EV services. But what the beauty parlor has (happiness and ev reduction) also happens at the combination of a cafe and florist. Rather have an extra dojo/cafe then. Same for raffle. How useful is the antique actually?

Oct 22nd, 2012, 1:08:15 AM	#22
tlyee61 Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 317 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯	I just got to Rank 5 tonight. I think I have every shop except the Nursery. (currently have 2 marts) __________________ Happy to give VGC team rates! PM me anytime and I'll rate as soon as I can. VGC 2013 San Jose: 2nd place Seniors Division

Oct 22nd, 2012, 12:34:23 PM	#25
Afti Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 247	I'm going to point out that you can resell Hard Stones to the ore collector for $500; this means that you can turn a profit on average, even if every single package contains a Hard Stone. I'd call the Nursery most useless - yes, it should be incredibly useful. But the broken breeding mechanics mean that you're going to do any serious breeding in Black 1/White 1 anyway. So, unless you decide to trade all your eggs over...