Official Smogon University Simulator Statistics — October 2012 - Page 3

***Antar**** · Nov 1st, 2012, 5:52:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Imanalt

Could imposter be screwing with the real usage for blissey in BH?

No, it couldn't.

Illusion fucks with "Real Usage," but Imposter pokemon are always correctly identified.

shrang · Nov 1st, 2012, 6:35:59 PM

I'm really considering suggesting that we implement "if you use Charizard in a UU or above tier, you will be banned from PS".

Anyway, I haven't really got anything to say except to express despair at our ladder. I think the day that I get a stroke due to Latias falling to UU may be coming somewhere in the future if our ladder continues the way it does. Ninjask rising above Chansey and Abomasnow says it all, lol.

LucaroarkZ · Nov 1st, 2012, 7:04:53 PM

| 54 | Ninjask | 27023 | 3.490% | 24304 | 3.883% |

If someone doesn't explain the fact that Ninjask is in OU range right this instant, I'm gonna punch as many noobs as I can. Wait, I think I just explained it... The fact that this piece of shit is used more than actually good shit like Gothitelle is disgraceful. I'm disappointed in the OU ladder.

| 54 | Dusclops | 8085 | 4.978% | 6849 | 5.076% |

I am convinced we need to implement a "If you use Dusclops in UU or above, you will be banned from PS" rule just to stop people from using this garbage. Dusclops is garbage for reasons that have been explained more than enough.

Code:

+----------------------------------------+ 
 | Zoroark                                | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | Abilties                               | 
 | Illusion 100.000%                      | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | Items                                  | 
 | Life Orb 25.583%                       | 
 | Focus Sash 15.231%                     | 
 | Choice Specs 13.237%                   | 
 | Choice Scarf 12.872%                   | 
 | Leftovers 10.539%                      | 
 | Expert Belt  6.614%                    | 
 | BlackGlasses  3.347%                   | 
 | Wise Glasses  1.976%                   | 
 | Dark Gem  1.914%                       | 
 | Nothing  1.113%                        | 
 | Dread Plate  0.872%                    | 
 | BrightPowder  0.641%                   | 
 | Air Balloon  0.623%                    | 
 | Wide Lens  0.579%                      | 
 | Other  4.860%                          | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | Natures                                | 
 | Timid 46.021%                          | 
 | Hasty 18.364%                          | 
 | Modest  9.818%                         | 
 | Naive  7.931%                          | 
 | Hardy  6.009%                          | 
 | Mild  3.650%                           | 
 | Jolly  2.911%                          | 
 | Adamant  1.549%                        | 
 | Other  3.748%                          | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | EV spreads                             | 
 | 0/0/0/252/4/252 29.900%                | 
 | 4/0/0/252/0/252 22.183%                | 
 | 0/4/0/252/0/252 20.883%                | 
 | 0/0/0/252/0/252  2.697%                | 
 | 0/32/0/252/0/224  2.395%               | 
 | 0/0/4/252/0/252  2.083%                | 
 | Other 19.859%                          | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | Moves                                  | 
 | Flamethrower 88.125%                   | 
 | Dark Pulse 63.299%                     | 
 | Focus Blast 61.510%                    | 
 | Nasty Plot 28.254%                     | 
 | Night Daze 28.058%                     | 
 | U-turn 24.613%                         | 
 | Sucker Punch 23.643%                   | 
 | Trick 12.827%                          | 
 | Hidden Power Ice 11.777%               | 
 | Extrasensory  9.854%                   | 
 | Grass Knot  5.439%                     | 
 | Substitute  3.000%                     | 
 | Foul Play  2.982%                      | 
 | Shadow Ball  2.822%                    | 
 | Taunt  2.795%                          | 
 | Night Slash  2.484%                    | 
 | Hidden Power Electric  2.439%          | 
 | Protect  2.252%                        | 
 | Toxic  2.021%                          | 
 | Aerial Ace  1.852%                     | 
 | Other 19.957%                          | 
 +----------------------------------------+

This right from the OU moveset statistics for Zoroark. What is with the morons using Focus Sash more often than Choice Specs on Zoroark? Guess that just shows how terrible the OU ladder is. Also, Trick usage on Zoroark at only 12.8%? That should be at least 80%. Also, who's using Toxic on Zoroark? That's got to be the most moronic thing I've ever seen. Also, lol @ No item, it's kind of hard to forget to give your Pokemon an item with PS's teambuilder... Unfortunately, UU's moveset stats for Zoroark aren't much better...

Code:

+----------------------------------------+ 
 | Zoroark                                | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | Abilties                               | 
 | Illusion 100.000%                      | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | Items                                  | 
 | Life Orb 28.300%                       | 
 | Choice Specs 18.798%                   | 
 | Choice Scarf 16.438%                   | 
 | Focus Sash 13.201%                     | 
 | Leftovers 10.415%                      | 
 | Expert Belt  6.108%                    | 
 | BlackGlasses  1.241%                   | 
 | Dark Gem  0.973%                       | 
 | Other  4.526%                          | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | Natures                                | 
 | Timid 48.935%                          | 
 | Hasty 20.672%                          | 
 | Modest 10.597%                         | 
 | Naive  8.188%                          | 
 | Mild  4.441%                           | 
 | Hardy  2.762%                          | 
 | Other  4.404%                          | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | EV spreads                             | 
 | 0/0/0/252/4/252 37.194%                | 
 | 0/4/0/252/0/252 28.592%                | 
 | 4/0/0/252/0/252 20.331%                | 
 | 0/0/0/252/0/252  2.093%                | 
 | 0/0/0/0/0/0  1.059%                    | 
 | 0/252/0/0/4/252  1.059%                | 
 | Other  9.673%                          | 
 +----------------------------------------+ 
 | Moves                                  | 
 | Flamethrower 90.826%                   | 
 | Dark Pulse 68.755%                     | 
 | Focus Blast 63.937%                    | 
 | Nasty Plot 30.916%                     | 
 | Night Daze 26.451%                     | 
 | U-turn 24.942%                         | 
 | Sucker Punch 21.487%                   | 
 | Trick 18.104%                          | 
 | Grass Knot 11.765%                     | 
 | Extrasensory  8.772%                   | 
 | Hidden Power Ice  7.483%               | 
 | Substitute  5.147%                     | 
 | Taunt  3.273%                          | 
 | Other 18.141%                          | 
 +----------------------------------------+

Really guys, how come so few Zoroark users understand that Trick on Zoroark is simply fantastic? I'd argue that 90% of Zoroark sets should be using Trick in UU, but whatever. At least Toxic's not used enough here to be outside of "Other", lol.

**Arcticblast** · Nov 1st, 2012, 8:23:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat shrang

I'm really considering suggesting that we implement "if you use Magikarp in Hackmons or Balanced Hackmons, you will be banned from PS".

Fixed.

Metagross punches some HUGE holes in unprepared teams and is still a nice SR setter. Chansey is an excellent wall that really doesn't give a shit about anything but STAB Fighting moves. Overall, though, both are on the wane, as better and/or more specialized Pokemon are gaining popularity (Rotom-H, Gastrodon, Deoxys-D, etc).

I think Chansey is better.

**V4Victini** · Nov 1st, 2012, 8:25:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Antar

No, it couldn't.

Illusion fucks with "Real Usage," but Imposter pokemon are always correctly identified.

I think he was just joking about that to express how absurd it is Blissey is being used more than Chansey.

SHUCKLE MAN · Nov 1st, 2012, 8:32:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ScraftyIsTheBest

Garchomp gets vicious competition for a teamslot these days. 102 Speed is very irritating and his Outrage is also slightly weaker than that of Mence or Haxorus. Anyways, at least he's CLOSE to the Top 10. Anyways, I have more to say on these stats...

My Reaction to OU Stats

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My Reaction to UU Stats

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My Reaction to RU Stats

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My Reaction to NU Stats

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All your opinions on Pokemon seem to be determined by the Bottom of the Barrell article or the viability rankings threads lol.

**blarajan** · Nov 1st, 2012, 9:14:49 PM

why does the lc ladder have the biggest hard on for abra

like it's a 9 month long hard on

what the hell

ScraftyIsTheBest · Nov 1st, 2012, 9:44:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat SHUCKLE MAN

All your opinions on Pokemon seem to be determined by the Bottom of the Barrell article or the viability rankings threads lol.

Well, not all but most. Some of these even come from my personal experience with them, particularly Cofagrigus and Stoutland. Mesprit's low usage also shocks me. Anyways, considering how high Ambipom is in UU, I am convinced we need two new rules: "If you use Ambipom in UU, you will be banned from PS" and "If you use Wartortle in NU and above, you will be banned from PS" to simply get people to stop using these pieces of shit. I've tried both Wartortle and Ambipom and I can confirm that they suck.

Jukain · Nov 1st, 2012, 11:27:55 PM

Ambipom isn't that bad, it does decently if you use good sets like Beat Up and Choice Band.

Overall, these stats are sort of a mixed bag. I know there's a popular BP team, but ugh Ninjask gtfo of OU, it doesn't deserve OU especially compared to stuff like Kyurem and Abomasnow. Seriously. Genesect at #1 in OU is no surprise.

/B/utterfree · Nov 2nd, 2012, 1:28:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ScraftyIsTheBest

Well, not all but most. Some of these even come from my personal experience with them, particularly Cofagrigus and Stoutland. Mesprit's low usage also shocks me. Anyways, considering how high Ambipom is in UU, I am convinced we need two new rules: "If you use Ambipom in UU, you will be banned from PS" and "If you use Wartortle in NU and above, you will be banned from PS" to simply get people to stop using these pieces of shit. I've tried both Wartortle and Ambipom and I can confirm that they suck.

From an objective viewpoint, even if the rules would make the tiers healthy, it would result in a lot of complaints (as it would get some newcomers to tiers banned for just considering Ambipom in the first place, without any foreknowledge of the ban prior). I instead sometimes advise people to not use Ambipom in a calm manner, instead redirecting them to usage of Mienshao or someone else instead.

That said, my personal experiences are what bring me my viewpoints as well. I undergo experiments with multiple Pokes on a semi-regular basis. It helps satisfy my stall fetish while also giving me a more open mind towards some Pokemon in general. Furthermore, sometimes it takes me losing to a Pokemon repeatedly to get me to use it (back before Whimsicott dropped to OU, I condescendingly laughed at it; I learnt from my many losses to it on PO and used it myself).

However, not even I can justify some stuff with practice, such as Mandibuzz continuing to be used in RU. ;_;

Swamp-Rocket · Nov 2nd, 2012, 7:59:33 PM

Thanks for the stats Antar!

These are pretty interseting stats for OU. Cloyster being at #20 kinda suprises me (a bit high), as does Tornadus-T being at #27 (a bit low). Genesect being #1 and Politoed being #2 is a bit annoying, but I'll live. Mienshao is fallen off the face of the earth, being at #79. That's what happens when you become UU I guess! Ninjask is a bit wtf in OU again but if he somehow keeps itself in OU range then I guess I can stop using Rock Blast in NU. Also...

| 56 | Abomasnow | 23077 | 2.980% | 20730 | 3.312% |

Could this be the time that it drops? Abomasnow would be interesting to use in a lot of the tiers (who knows where it could end up, lol) and I would certaintly be interesting in testing its wallbreaking capabilities without hail.

In UU, Blastoise at #3 is really cool, considering it was RU at first. Cofagrigus has finally gotten some well-deserved respect in UU, being #24 now. RU isn't ever getting him back now!

| 56 | Houndoom | 7160 | 4.408% | 5726 | 4.244% |
| 57 | Cresselia | 4113 | 2.532% | 3351 | 2.484% |

I don't think UU is going to change for a really, really long time, although I almost never see Dusclops, Houndoom, or some other dwllers nowadays, so I'm wondering how they are still at 5% usage. Also Virizion is only at #45, which is a bit of a shame - I though it would be used a bit more.

For RU...
| 1 | Sceptile | 10082 | 19.684% | 7879 | 18.598% |
IT'S ABOUT TIME. Sceptile is a really awesome Pokemon and has deserved this #1 spot. Also Dusknoir being at #12 is a bit wierd, but I don't think Dusknoir is bad (I don't care what you think, its pretty good) so I'm not complaining. Cresselia will most likely be a top 10 mon next month, since it is so good, and I'd love it if Roselia could be NU - even though its pretty good in RU. Scolipede scould sneak in there too.

NU looks exactly the same as last time, lol.

TheTraininator · Nov 2nd, 2012, 9:18:01 PM

I'm sorry I'm not talking about the stats, but I just have to say, Swap-Rocket's pic is the best profile pic ever.

Adams · Nov 2nd, 2012, 10:27:04 PM

What is the cut off % for OU?

Also my thoughts on some of these:

OU
| 1 | Genesect | 145258 | 18.759% | 126041 | 20.139% |
I just knew it!

| 20 | Cloyster | 68587 | 8.857% | 53586 | 8.562% |
How is this so high on the usage?

| 27 | Tornadus-Therian | 55958 | 7.226% | 43932 | 7.020% |
| 36 | Thundurus-Therian | 49253 | 6.361% | 38991 | 6.230% |
| 43 | Keldeo | 40073 | 5.175% | 31355 | 5.010% |
Why so low considering Politoed is so high in usage?

| 42 | Metagross | 41411 | 5.348% | 33714 | 5.387% |
Why do people use him?

| 46 | Latias | 37620 | 4.858% | 29448 | 4.705% |
This is so low in usage :(

| 54 | Ninjask | 27023 | 3.490% | 24304 | 3.883% |
What?

| 55 | Chansey | 27011 | 3.488% | 21364 | 3.414% |
Depending on the cut off for UU this is dangerously close, which is good.

| 105 | Virizion | 7545 | 0.974% | 5871 | 0.938% |
Why so low?

UU

| 1 | Heracross | 34426 | 21.196% | 26958 | 19.980% |
Still the king of UU.

| 20 | Ambipom | 15462 | 9.520% | 13687 | 10.144% |
Stop using this lol

| 24 | Cofagrigus | 14231 | 8.762% | 12072 | 8.947% |
Already so high up in UU? Aww yes

| 40 | Meloetta | 10751 | 6.619% | 8413 | 6.235% |
Aww yeah Meloetta!

Others

| 1 | Sceptile | 10082 | 19.684% | 7879 | 18.598% |
This surprises me...

| 1 | Cinccino | 19682 | 18.884% | 15915 | 18.604% |
| 2 | Amoonguss | 18246 | 17.506% | 15202 | 17.770% |
No surprises here :)

Scarfwynaut · Nov 3rd, 2012, 12:21:11 AM

perhaps I am not looking in the right place, but you seemed to have dropped the part of the moveset analysis that lists common statistical movesets as a whole not just move by move

if possible, could you add that back in later useage threads it was very helpful in teambuilding and analyzing the metagame

Admiral Bobbery · Nov 3rd, 2012, 12:31:02 AM

| 54 | Ninjask | 27023 | 3.490% | 24304 | 3.883% |

In all seriousness though, I have been playing a lot today and I've seen an absurd amount of Ninjask on the OU ladder. The shocking thing about it, is that I find that I don't actually have a whole lot to deal with it. Passing a few speed boosts and a swords dance to a Dragonite absolutely wrecks my team. I'm not claiming that my team is as good as most of the more experienced players' teams, especially considering I made it just this morning, but I was still surprised to see that Ninjask seemed to be faring pretty well. The only reason I was able to beat the players that had Ninjask is that they weren't very skilled players using them (someone passed +3 speed, +2 attack, and a sub to a Conkeldurr instead of the Dragonite he had when I had a Techniloom at +4 on the field. Bullet Seeded on the switch and KO'd).

Is there something to this new use of Ninjask? Could it actually be not only viable, but effective in the OU metagame?

garchompubers · Nov 3rd, 2012, 3:12:18 AM

62 | Cresselia | 1232 | 2.405% | 1014 | 2.393% |

that doesn't make any sense...cresselia is in BL2, thus banned from UU. This is the RU usage stats btw...

cloyster is in number 20 in OU,and that's way too high...I'll just blame it on chomp.

Meloetta is number 44 in UU...what the hell? It's stats are godly, and I hope people realize
that relic song doesn't need to be on every set. It has a great mixed movepool as well, but
it should really concentrate on special. Chansey needs to drop to UU, it just has to, especially considering
the importance of lefties recoveries in UU, due to increased entry hazard spamming in UU. And heracross and other fighitng
types will just fuck chansey over anyways. Also thank you Antar for the usage stats, we appreciate your work.

SJCrew · Nov 3rd, 2012, 4:32:51 AM

Cresselia and Durant have been unbanned in RU recently.

GoliathGarchomp · Nov 3rd, 2012, 7:06:38 AM

Thanks for the stat's Antar.
Here's some thoughts on OU.

| 1 | Genesect | 145258 | 18.759% | 126041 | 20.139% |

Not suprised here. Such a good and veratile pokemon however I still don't personally think it's broken by any means. Although thats another converstation for another time and considering i've been out of the meta for a while my opionion means nothing.

| 2 | Politoed | 131347 | 16.962% | 120412 | 19.240% |
| 3 | Ferrothorn | 129784 | 16.760% | 111014 | 17.738% |
| 4 | Dragonite | 124017 | 16.016% | 96516 | 15.422% |
| 5 | Scizor | 121726 | 15.720% | 95492 | 15.258% |

Pretty much what I expected. Good to see Dragonite and Scizor still up here after facing some stiff competition.

| 8 | Breloom | 97557 | 12.599% | 76984 | 12.301% |
| 9 | Gliscor | 86973 | 11.232% | 68512 | 10.947% |

Glad to see im not the only one tearing teams apart with Breloom. Technician + Bullet Seed, Low Sweep and of course Mach Punch is just soooo good not to mention the classic Poison Heal set is still good. Suprised at Gliscor, honestly thought it would be lower.

| 11 | Garchomp | 81762 | 10.559% | 62597 | 10.002% |

Yay for the return of Chomp. Honestly thought he would be in top 10, especially with the hype of his return. Also just wondering since i've only just got back in the metta this month was Chomp here for the whole month or did he get released a little in?

| 16 | Terrakion | 76309 | 9.855% | 57266 | 9.150% |

For such a good and potent pokemon was expecting him to be a bit higher.

| 20 | Cloyster | 68587 | 8.857% | 53586 | 8.562% |

Really WTF I dont remember Cloyster being that good. Honestly think he's punching above his weight at the moment. He is easily revenged and isnt a great user of Ice Shard unless he's smashed. He can spin and set hazzards but he's outclassed in that role imo. Cant belive he beat Mamo.

| 27 | Tornadus-Therian | 55958 | 7.226% | 43932 | 7.020% |

Seriously thought with rain so dominate and this guy so damn good in it he would at least be top 20. Guess i've been proved wrong.

| 39 | Landorus | 45095 | 5.824% | 35188 | 5.622% |

If this is Landorus-I which im pretty sure it is this is way way to low. Seriously this guy is one of the most unpredeictable and best pokemon in OU currently and he's only 39. I mean if pokemon like Cloyster are used more than him I just dont know.

| 42 | Metagross | 41411 | 5.348% | 33714 | 5.387% |
| 43 | Keldeo | 40073 | 5.175% | 31355 | 5.010% |

Metagross higher than Keldo? Infact Keldeo at 43 is ridiculous espeacially with Rain dominating. He is one of the best pokemon in the game in rain and can still function great outside of it.

| 45 | Deoxys-Defense | 39612 | 5.116% | 35683 | 5.702% |
| 46 | Latias | 37620 | 4.858% | 29448 | 4.705% |

The last two pokemon I wanted to talk about. I think they are both too low. Deoxys-D is the best hazzard setter in the game and Latias is better than Latios in this metta atm imo. It checks sun pretty well does pretty well agaist rain, it's better defensivly than Latios and it's offesnive sets are just as good imo.

***Antar**** · Nov 3rd, 2012, 7:59:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat SJCrew

Cresselia and Durant have been unbanned in RU recently.

Small semantic point: they haven't been unbanned--they're being *retested.* Unfortunately, RU has too small a playerbase to support a suspect ladder.

The difference is somewhat trivial if you assume that the sims are the end-all-be-all, but if you play on Wi-Fi (or for tournaments), I would consider them still banned until the end of testing.

Texas Cloverleaf · Nov 3rd, 2012, 8:03:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Antar

Small semantic point: they haven't been unbanned--they're being *retested.* Unfortunately, RU has too small a playerbase to support a suspect ladder.

The difference is somewhat trivial if you assume that the sims are the end-all-be-all, but if you play on Wi-Fi (or for tournaments), I would consider them still banned until the end of testing.

This is correct, until such point as Durant and Cresselia have officially been voted on and perhaps unbanned, they are still considered banned for the purposes of official tournaments.

Incidentally you can expect a decision on the two within roughly 7-10 days of the next business day.

DoABarrelRoll · Nov 3rd, 2012, 3:10:19 PM

OU:
1 | Genesect | 145258 | 18.759% | 126041 | 20.139% |
no surprise here, his choice scarf set is awesome
| 6 | Heatran | 113887 | 14.707% | 94566 | 15.110% | | 7 | Tyranitar | 105892 | 13.675% | 91847 | 14.675% | | 8 | Breloom | 97557 | 12.599% | 76984 | 12.301% |
Heatran so high?

| 37 | Conkeldurr | 46333 | 5.983% | 37103 | 5.928% |
He needs more love. his flame orb/drain punch set is underrated.

| 46 | Latias | 37620 | 4.858% | 29448 | 4.705% | | 47 | Dugtrio | 37455 | 4.837% | 29539 | 4.720% | | 48 | Celebi | 34077 | 4.401% | 27154 | 4.339% |
Dugtrio needs to exit ou. Celebi and Latias need more love.

| 54 | Ninjask | 27023 | 3.490% | 24304 | 3.883% |
This retarded piece of shit doesn't deserve 1%, let alone 3.5%... if it becomes OU then I'll eat my shoe. | 55 | Chansey | 27011 | 3.488% | 21364 | 3.414% |
if chansey enters uu, then all people need to run taunt/powerful physical move.

| 66 | Weavile | 16133 | 2.083% | 12833 | 2.050% | | 67 | Togekiss | 15445 | 1.995% | 12280 | 1.962% |
At least Weavile got a little more love(2.08% vs 1.80%ish), but people need to realize how good the SD set is, especially once Scizor/genesect is gone. togekiss also needs more love, it can run an offensive paraflinch set with Nasty Plot, unlike Jirachi.

70 | Umbreon | 14987 | 1.935% | 10839 | 1.732% | | 71 | Charizard | 14829 | 1.915% | 12016 | 1.920% |
WHAT?

SJCrew · Nov 3rd, 2012, 10:41:00 PM

Ninjask going OU isn't too big a shocker for me. He's useful in BP chains. Pay no mind to what scrubs do.

alphatron · Nov 4th, 2012, 9:53:45 AM

I'm not sure why anybody gets upset over charizard usage in any tier. The people responsible for this aren't even smogon members. They probably aren't even gamefaqs or serebii members. Just guys who heard about the simulators and decided they would have fun using their favorite Pokemon. Or guys who haven't played Pokemon in years and would rather not buy the games.

The fact that charizard is even mentioned in that article seemed really silly to me. The people who do use him don't read articles like that anyway. And considering that I've outsped him with the likes of Lugia (with no speed Evs) the few times I have seen him, that should explain a lot.

The real crime here is that mamoswine isn't being used more in OU.

rlyn99 · Nov 5th, 2012, 9:27:18 AM

Some random thoughts on UU:

| 2 | Chandelure | 27983 | 17.229% | 23119 | 17.135% |

Can't wait for shadow tag release and then this asshole will move back up. Honestly, this and Heracross practically define the UU teambuilding process. And heracross has way more counters and checks than chandy.

| 21 | Gligar | 15131 | 9.316% | 13233 | 9.808% |

Functions well in this metagame, with so many fighting types running around.( I'm staring at you Heracross).

| 34 | Honchkrow | 11941 | 7.352% | 9376 | 6.949% |

By far one of the most underrated mons in UU. Looks horrible on paper, with those 'defenses' and SR weakness, but when you use it in battle, it can sweep teams in a drop of a hat. Perhaps its better if it stays low, so that less people will use it :S.

| 18 | Swampert | 15983 | 9.841% | 14390 | 10.665% |

| 26 | Slowbro | 13339 | 8.213% | 10949 | 8.115% |

| 32 | Empoleon | 12256 | 7.546% | 10776 | 7.987% |

| 37 | Milotic | 11221 | 6.909% | 9344 | 6.925% |

| 39 | Suicune | 11038 | 6.796% | 9289 | 6.885% |

Whats with the relatively low usage of non-blastoise bulky waters? Probably the lurking threat of SubCM raikou I guess.

| 50 | Rotom-Heat | 8798 | 5.417% | 7699 | 5.706% |
| 51 | Bisharp | 8473 | 5.217% | 6763 | 5.012% |
| 52 | Krookodile | 8416 | 5.182% | 6802 | 5.041% |

Needs. Moar. Usage.

Bent1ey · Nov 5th, 2012, 9:35:14 AM

Arguably Swampert shouldn't be too affected by SbCM Raikou (it mostly runs Hp Ice because it gives superior coverage), but I do think Raikou affects the viability of most bulky waters... Swampert isn't even that low into the list to begin with.

I always thought Krookodile was used as a weaker Heracross of sorts, I'm not surprised to see him so low.

Nov 1st, 2012, 9:14:49 PM	#57
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Jukain rip numeros Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,686 somewhere could be anywhere Mentor	Ambipom isn't that bad, it does decently if you use good sets like Beat Up and Choice Band. Overall, these stats are sort of a mixed bag. I know there's a popular BP team, but ugh Ninjask gtfo of OU, it doesn't deserve OU especially compared to stuff like Kyurem and Abomasnow. Seriously. Genesect at #1 in OU is no surprise. __________________ C&C Work \| 1k RMT \| Contribute! \| VM for an OU Rate! \| gp member: vm/pm for a check \| previously pokemon0078 / aka jew-cane

Nov 2nd, 2012, 7:59:33 PM	#61
Swamp-Rocket Give me the number for 911! Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 541 USA	Thanks for the stats Antar! These are pretty interseting stats for OU. Cloyster being at #20 kinda suprises me (a bit high), as does Tornadus-T being at #27 (a bit low). Genesect being #1 and Politoed being #2 is a bit annoying, but I'll live. Mienshao is fallen off the face of the earth, being at #79. That's what happens when you become UU I guess! Ninjask is a bit wtf in OU again but if he somehow keeps itself in OU range then I guess I can stop using Rock Blast in NU. Also... \| 56 \| Abomasnow \| 23077 \| 2.980% \| 20730 \| 3.312% \| Could this be the time that it drops? Abomasnow would be interesting to use in a lot of the tiers (who knows where it could end up, lol) and I would certaintly be interesting in testing its wallbreaking capabilities without hail. In UU, Blastoise at #3 is really cool, considering it was RU at first. Cofagrigus has finally gotten some well-deserved respect in UU, being #24 now. RU isn't ever getting him back now! \| 56 \| Houndoom \| 7160 \| 4.408% \| 5726 \| 4.244% \| \| 57 \| Cresselia \| 4113 \| 2.532% \| 3351 \| 2.484% \| I don't think UU is going to change for a really, really long time, although I almost never see Dusclops, Houndoom, or some other dwllers nowadays, so I'm wondering how they are still at 5% usage. Also Virizion is only at #45, which is a bit of a shame - I though it would be used a bit more. For RU... \| 1 \| Sceptile \| 10082 \| 19.684% \| 7879 \| 18.598% \| IT'S ABOUT TIME. Sceptile is a really awesome Pokemon and has deserved this #1 spot. Also Dusknoir being at #12 is a bit wierd, but I don't think Dusknoir is bad (I don't care what you think, its pretty good) so I'm not complaining. Cresselia will most likely be a top 10 mon next month, since it is so good, and I'd love it if Roselia could be NU - even though its pretty good in RU. Scolipede scould sneak in there too. NU looks exactly the same as last time, lol. __________________ kawakimi: UR DUM kawakimi: N WEIRD Completed Analyses: 16 In Progress: 2

Nov 2nd, 2012, 9:18:01 PM	#62
TheTraininator Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 62	I'm sorry I'm not talking about the stats, but I just have to say, Swap-Rocket's pic is the best profile pic ever. __________________ No, there is definitely enough pie there for me!

Nov 3rd, 2012, 12:21:11 AM	#64
Scarfwynaut Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2,082 PA	perhaps I am not looking in the right place, but you seemed to have dropped the part of the moveset analysis that lists common statistical movesets as a whole not just move by move if possible, could you add that back in later useage threads it was very helpful in teambuilding and analyzing the metagame __________________ I am not Scarf Wynaut on Pokemon Showdown. I am PrincesoBubblegum

Nov 2nd, 2012, 10:27:04 PM	#63
Adams Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 91 Hashtag Fancy	What is the cut off % for OU? Also my thoughts on some of these: OU \| 1 \| Genesect \| 145258 \| 18.759% \| 126041 \| 20.139% \| I just knew it! \| 20 \| Cloyster \| 68587 \| 8.857% \| 53586 \| 8.562% \| How is this so high on the usage? \| 27 \| Tornadus-Therian \| 55958 \| 7.226% \| 43932 \| 7.020% \| \| 36 \| Thundurus-Therian \| 49253 \| 6.361% \| 38991 \| 6.230% \| \| 43 \| Keldeo \| 40073 \| 5.175% \| 31355 \| 5.010% \| Why so low considering Politoed is so high in usage? \| 42 \| Metagross \| 41411 \| 5.348% \| 33714 \| 5.387% \| Why do people use him? \| 46 \| Latias \| 37620 \| 4.858% \| 29448 \| 4.705% \| This is so low in usage :( \| 54 \| Ninjask \| 27023 \| 3.490% \| 24304 \| 3.883% \| What? \| 55 \| Chansey \| 27011 \| 3.488% \| 21364 \| 3.414% \| Depending on the cut off for UU this is dangerously close, which is good. \| 105 \| Virizion \| 7545 \| 0.974% \| 5871 \| 0.938% \| Why so low? UU \| 1 \| Heracross \| 34426 \| 21.196% \| 26958 \| 19.980% \| Still the king of UU. \| 20 \| Ambipom \| 15462 \| 9.520% \| 13687 \| 10.144% \| Stop using this lol \| 24 \| Cofagrigus \| 14231 \| 8.762% \| 12072 \| 8.947% \| Already so high up in UU? Aww yes \| 40 \| Meloetta \| 10751 \| 6.619% \| 8413 \| 6.235% \| Aww yeah Meloetta! Others \| 1 \| Sceptile \| 10082 \| 19.684% \| 7879 \| 18.598% \| This surprises me... \| 1 \| Cinccino \| 19682 \| 18.884% \| 15915 \| 18.604% \| \| 2 \| Amoonguss \| 18246 \| 17.506% \| 15202 \| 17.770% \| No surprises here :)

Nov 3rd, 2012, 12:31:02 AM	#65
Admiral Bobbery Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 53	\| 54 \| Ninjask \| 27023 \| 3.490% \| 24304 \| 3.883% \| In all seriousness though, I have been playing a lot today and I've seen an absurd amount of Ninjask on the OU ladder. The shocking thing about it, is that I find that I don't actually have a whole lot to deal with it. Passing a few speed boosts and a swords dance to a Dragonite absolutely wrecks my team. I'm not claiming that my team is as good as most of the more experienced players' teams, especially considering I made it just this morning, but I was still surprised to see that Ninjask seemed to be faring pretty well. The only reason I was able to beat the players that had Ninjask is that they weren't very skilled players using them (someone passed +3 speed, +2 attack, and a sub to a Conkeldurr instead of the Dragonite he had when I had a Techniloom at +4 on the field. Bullet Seeded on the switch and KO'd). Is there something to this new use of Ninjask? Could it actually be not only viable, but effective in the OU metagame? __________________ "Such Balderdash! It's quite obvious you are in for a stomping, so let's have at it."

Nov 3rd, 2012, 3:12:18 AM	#66
garchompubers Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 14 United States	62 \| Cresselia \| 1232 \| 2.405% \| 1014 \| 2.393% \| that doesn't make any sense...cresselia is in BL2, thus banned from UU. This is the RU usage stats btw... cloyster is in number 20 in OU,and that's way too high...I'll just blame it on chomp. Meloetta is number 44 in UU...what the hell? It's stats are godly, and I hope people realize that relic song doesn't need to be on every set. It has a great mixed movepool as well, but it should really concentrate on special. Chansey needs to drop to UU, it just has to, especially considering the importance of lefties recoveries in UU, due to increased entry hazard spamming in UU. And heracross and other fighitng types will just fuck chansey over anyways. Also thank you Antar for the usage stats, we appreciate your work. __________________ PS Name:Ultrabattler, ouultrabattler, ubersultrabattler Peaks:#76 in OU(decent not great) on PS #2 in Ubers(Damn it Poppy) on PS Undefeated in RU so far! 20:0 Join weatherless OU to help create a better metagame!!!

Nov 3rd, 2012, 4:32:51 AM	#67
SJCrew Believer, going on a journey... Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,802	Cresselia and Durant have been unbanned in RU recently. __________________ (02:53:55) +shrang: sleep is epic (16:14) .No Scrafty in UU.: CBtar? (16:14) .No Scrafty in UU.: that sounds like a not bad set (16:04:25) +Steamroll: nobody likes me @Relados: snowflakes has no sense of humor

Nov 3rd, 2012, 7:06:38 AM	#68
GoliathGarchomp Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 21	Thanks for the stat's Antar. Here's some thoughts on OU. \| 1 \| Genesect \| 145258 \| 18.759% \| 126041 \| 20.139% \| Not suprised here. Such a good and veratile pokemon however I still don't personally think it's broken by any means. Although thats another converstation for another time and considering i've been out of the meta for a while my opionion means nothing. \| 2 \| Politoed \| 131347 \| 16.962% \| 120412 \| 19.240% \| \| 3 \| Ferrothorn \| 129784 \| 16.760% \| 111014 \| 17.738% \| \| 4 \| Dragonite \| 124017 \| 16.016% \| 96516 \| 15.422% \| \| 5 \| Scizor \| 121726 \| 15.720% \| 95492 \| 15.258% \| Pretty much what I expected. Good to see Dragonite and Scizor still up here after facing some stiff competition. \| 8 \| Breloom \| 97557 \| 12.599% \| 76984 \| 12.301% \| \| 9 \| Gliscor \| 86973 \| 11.232% \| 68512 \| 10.947% \| Glad to see im not the only one tearing teams apart with Breloom. Technician + Bullet Seed, Low Sweep and of course Mach Punch is just soooo good not to mention the classic Poison Heal set is still good. Suprised at Gliscor, honestly thought it would be lower. \| 11 \| Garchomp \| 81762 \| 10.559% \| 62597 \| 10.002% \| Yay for the return of Chomp. Honestly thought he would be in top 10, especially with the hype of his return. Also just wondering since i've only just got back in the metta this month was Chomp here for the whole month or did he get released a little in? \| 16 \| Terrakion \| 76309 \| 9.855% \| 57266 \| 9.150% \| For such a good and potent pokemon was expecting him to be a bit higher. \| 20 \| Cloyster \| 68587 \| 8.857% \| 53586 \| 8.562% \| Really WTF I dont remember Cloyster being that good. Honestly think he's punching above his weight at the moment. He is easily revenged and isnt a great user of Ice Shard unless he's smashed. He can spin and set hazzards but he's outclassed in that role imo. Cant belive he beat Mamo. \| 27 \| Tornadus-Therian \| 55958 \| 7.226% \| 43932 \| 7.020% \| Seriously thought with rain so dominate and this guy so damn good in it he would at least be top 20. Guess i've been proved wrong. \| 39 \| Landorus \| 45095 \| 5.824% \| 35188 \| 5.622% \| If this is Landorus-I which im pretty sure it is this is way way to low. Seriously this guy is one of the most unpredeictable and best pokemon in OU currently and he's only 39. I mean if pokemon like Cloyster are used more than him I just dont know. \| 42 \| Metagross \| 41411 \| 5.348% \| 33714 \| 5.387% \| \| 43 \| Keldeo \| 40073 \| 5.175% \| 31355 \| 5.010% \| Metagross higher than Keldo? Infact Keldeo at 43 is ridiculous espeacially with Rain dominating. He is one of the best pokemon in the game in rain and can still function great outside of it. \| 45 \| Deoxys-Defense \| 39612 \| 5.116% \| 35683 \| 5.702% \| \| 46 \| Latias \| 37620 \| 4.858% \| 29448 \| 4.705% \| The last two pokemon I wanted to talk about. I think they are both too low. Deoxys-D is the best hazzard setter in the game and Latias is better than Latios in this metta atm imo. It checks sun pretty well does pretty well agaist rain, it's better defensivly than Latios and it's offesnive sets are just as good imo.

Nov 3rd, 2012, 3:10:19 PM	#71
DoABarrelRoll Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 47	OU: 1 \| Genesect \| 145258 \| 18.759% \| 126041 \| 20.139% \| no surprise here, his choice scarf set is awesome \| 6 \| Heatran \| 113887 \| 14.707% \| 94566 \| 15.110% \| \| 7 \| Tyranitar \| 105892 \| 13.675% \| 91847 \| 14.675% \| \| 8 \| Breloom \| 97557 \| 12.599% \| 76984 \| 12.301% \| Heatran so high? \| 37 \| Conkeldurr \| 46333 \| 5.983% \| 37103 \| 5.928% \| He needs more love. his flame orb/drain punch set is underrated. \| 46 \| Latias \| 37620 \| 4.858% \| 29448 \| 4.705% \| \| 47 \| Dugtrio \| 37455 \| 4.837% \| 29539 \| 4.720% \| \| 48 \| Celebi \| 34077 \| 4.401% \| 27154 \| 4.339% \| Dugtrio needs to exit ou. Celebi and Latias need more love. \| 54 \| Ninjask \| 27023 \| 3.490% \| 24304 \| 3.883% \| This retarded piece of shit doesn't deserve 1%, let alone 3.5%... if it becomes OU then I'll eat my shoe. \| 55 \| Chansey \| 27011 \| 3.488% \| 21364 \| 3.414% \| if chansey enters uu, then all people need to run taunt/powerful physical move. \| 66 \| Weavile \| 16133 \| 2.083% \| 12833 \| 2.050% \| \| 67 \| Togekiss \| 15445 \| 1.995% \| 12280 \| 1.962% \| At least Weavile got a little more love(2.08% vs 1.80%ish), but people need to realize how good the SD set is, especially once Scizor/genesect is gone. togekiss also needs more love, it can run an offensive paraflinch set with Nasty Plot, unlike Jirachi. 70 \| Umbreon \| 14987 \| 1.935% \| 10839 \| 1.732% \| \| 71 \| Charizard \| 14829 \| 1.915% \| 12016 \| 1.920% \| WHAT?

Nov 3rd, 2012, 10:41:00 PM	#72
SJCrew Believer, going on a journey... Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 2,802	Ninjask going OU isn't too big a shocker for me. He's useful in BP chains. Pay no mind to what scrubs do. __________________ (02:53:55) +shrang: sleep is epic (16:14) .No Scrafty in UU.: CBtar? (16:14) .No Scrafty in UU.: that sounds like a not bad set (16:04:25) +Steamroll: nobody likes me @Relados: snowflakes has no sense of humor

Nov 4th, 2012, 9:53:45 AM	#73
alphatron Volt turn in every tier! I'm in despair! Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,357	I'm not sure why anybody gets upset over charizard usage in any tier. The people responsible for this aren't even smogon members. They probably aren't even gamefaqs or serebii members. Just guys who heard about the simulators and decided they would have fun using their favorite Pokemon. Or guys who haven't played Pokemon in years and would rather not buy the games. The fact that charizard is even mentioned in that article seemed really silly to me. The people who do use him don't read articles like that anyway. And considering that I've outsped him with the likes of Lugia (with no speed Evs) the few times I have seen him, that should explain a lot. The real crime here is that mamoswine isn't being used more in OU. __________________ Fifth Gen OU RMT: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthr...67#post3383567

Nov 5th, 2012, 9:27:18 AM	#74
rlyn99 Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 64 LEEDLEEE	Some random thoughts on UU: \| 2 \| Chandelure \| 27983 \| 17.229% \| 23119 \| 17.135% \| Can't wait for shadow tag release and then this asshole will move back up. Honestly, this and Heracross practically define the UU teambuilding process. And heracross has way more counters and checks than chandy. \| 21 \| Gligar \| 15131 \| 9.316% \| 13233 \| 9.808% \| Functions well in this metagame, with so many fighting types running around.( I'm staring at you Heracross). \| 34 \| Honchkrow \| 11941 \| 7.352% \| 9376 \| 6.949% \| By far one of the most underrated mons in UU. Looks horrible on paper, with those 'defenses' and SR weakness, but when you use it in battle, it can sweep teams in a drop of a hat. Perhaps its better if it stays low, so that less people will use it :S. \| 18 \| Swampert \| 15983 \| 9.841% \| 14390 \| 10.665% \| \| 26 \| Slowbro \| 13339 \| 8.213% \| 10949 \| 8.115% \| \| 32 \| Empoleon \| 12256 \| 7.546% \| 10776 \| 7.987% \| \| 37 \| Milotic \| 11221 \| 6.909% \| 9344 \| 6.925% \| \| 39 \| Suicune \| 11038 \| 6.796% \| 9289 \| 6.885% \| Whats with the relatively low usage of non-blastoise bulky waters? Probably the lurking threat of SubCM raikou I guess. \| 50 \| Rotom-Heat \| 8798 \| 5.417% \| 7699 \| 5.706% \| \| 51 \| Bisharp \| 8473 \| 5.217% \| 6763 \| 5.012% \| \| 52 \| Krookodile \| 8416 \| 5.182% \| 6802 \| 5.041% \| Needs. Moar. Usage. __________________ Ladder peaks: balancedhackmons: 1834 (GXE:91) (W:2/L:0/T:0)(43) Wifi UU: uu: 1761 (GXE:75) (W:14/L:5/T:0)(36) Used to be #43 on PO beta but decay :/

Nov 5th, 2012, 9:35:14 AM	#75
Bent1ey Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 214	Arguably Swampert shouldn't be too affected by SbCM Raikou (it mostly runs Hp Ice because it gives superior coverage), but I do think Raikou affects the viability of most bulky waters... Swampert isn't even that low into the list to begin with. I always thought Krookodile was used as a weaker Heracross of sorts, I'm not surprised to see him so low.