CAP 4 - Part 12 - Complete Movepool Submissions - Page 4

**capefeather** · Nov 5th, 2012, 4:31:50 PM

All right, I am finally committing. I am including Dragon Dance, but not including Quiver Dance. Good luck to all submissions!

zyrefredric · Nov 5th, 2012, 6:12:55 PM

Oh, I have 30 VGMs. Trick isn't currently shown in the spreadsheet, but it's one of the tutor moves.

Scoopapa · Nov 5th, 2012, 6:35:05 PM

Final Submission

Key:
bold + ' = VGM
" = repeated or outclassed VGM
* = repeated flavor move
Move count = (total number of ' / total non-repeated moves)
Moves are repeated if they appear in another category above the current one (i.e. Level Up is listed first and can't have repeated moves)

Level Up (7/14)

TM (20/38)

Egg (7/11)

Tutor (4/12)

Total moves: (38/75)
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VGM lists:

Physical VGM's

Special VGM's

Setup and Support VGM's

Reasoning:

Setup Moves: In general, I tried to make as strong a movepool as possible without using moves that especially rare and powerful. As such, in the setup department, I didn't think it was necessary to include Tail Glow or Quiver Dance. I really think that Nasty Plot, Swords Dance, Calm Mind, Dragon Dance, and Agility will be quite sufficient to sweep effectively. It's not so much about keeping Aurumoth from being overpowered as it is keeping it from being overpowered on account of a rare and incredible setup move. The former situation isn't much of a problem in terms of the educational value of a CAP, but the latter one certainly is.

Attacking moves: I tried to vary coverage as much as possible, which meant not choosing too many coverage moves of the same type. Focus Blast and Hydro Pump are chosen over their weaker, more accurate, counterparts, as they are both usable without No Guard and yet very nice with No Guard. Thunderbolt is chosen because I didn't want to use every 70% acc. 120 BP move, and I figured since I may as well skip the one that becomes 100% acc. in Rain. There's no need, as far as I'm concerned, to let Drizzle teams alone get the best of both worlds in the case of ability and coverage moves. I didn't think Ice was particularly important for coverage, so Blizzard is there as a perk for No Guard sets. Rock Slide is there in addition to Stone Edge as a token of penance for the move-move requirement problems incurred elsewhere. Psycho Boost was left off to avoid event shenanigans and because for the sake of the concept I prefer wall-breaking with coverage or setup moves to wall-breaking with high-powered STAB spam.

The movepool is quite ample on the physical side, with a core of Megahorn, Zen Headbutt, and Close Combat, and fleshed out with extra options in EdgeQuake, Aqua Tail, and Sucker Punch. Extremespeed was left off, the final example of a rare and extreme move that wasn't really necessary. Sucker Punch will accomplish most of the same things and even provide some coverage, but has some risk inherent in its use.

Support Moves: Wish, Protect, Whirlwind, and three different statuses all help justify the use of Aurumoth as a tank or pivot rather than just a wallbreaker or sweeper. None of these are so rare or powerful that you would choose Aurumoth just because it learns them, but they are some of the best options that were available and should allow Aurumoth to play some mixed defensive/offensive roles in addition to it's purely offensive ones. Trick and Final Gambit were omitted because they are the opposite of high risk and high reward. The risk is tempered by the fact that a vast majority of pokemon will be crippled or killed by them, while the reward is tempered by the fact that you either lose your item or die even if you hit exactly the target you wanted. Sure, both can backfire pretty badly, but in general there is too much hedging of bets involved for applicability to the concept, and neither is particularly necessary for any practical reason.

Flavor:

There are a few elements that work together to create the movepool flavor-wise. The biggest of these is the "seraph" part, which itself consists of "angelic" moves (Protective moves, Singing moves, Flash and Future Sight) and a strong association to Fire. The second element of the flavor is earth oriented. This is partly due to my interpretation of the art (coloration particularly) and a precedent set by other mystical, "ancient automata" pokemon such as Claydol and Golurk. The idea of angels being constructs also appears in the recent Zelda game as well as some other things I unfortunately can't remember atm; at any rate, Aurumoth had good use for Ground moves and I felt giving it some Earth moves would be a nice complement to the seraph stuff. Earth Power, Sand/Rock Tomb, and Rock Polish all fit this theme. The final element isn't really anything clever, it's basically just Buggy and Psychic stuff to fulfill STAB moves. These are mostly found in the Egg moves and TM moves, where Aurumoth begins to move away from it's angelic origins to find its place among Bug and Psychic pokemon (or something like that).

The levelup movepool is the most flavorful and is where the "seraph" theme is most presented. The earlier moves are protective and relatively innocent, but towards the higher levels Aurumoth has become more worldly and learns to channel its badass holy energy into its offense and learns Close Combat, Stored Power, and Overheat. Whirlwind is there as a reference to one of Yahweh's favorite methods of talking to humans, and a little tie-in to the associated mythology of seraphim (which I am admittedly not an expert in). Hex honestly works as you might expect an angel who hasn't quite reached the badass stage to cast a curse on something; the pun is impossible to avoid, however.

Mdevil · Nov 5th, 2012, 8:10:05 PM

Added Pluck, Fly, and Cut to my movepool... Nothing important.

Edit: Submission is Final.

ThePhalanx · Nov 5th, 2012, 8:25:15 PM

FINAL SUBMISSION

Current Number of Moves: 74/75
Current Number of VGMs: 38/38
(Repeats/Outclasses are not counted)

VGMs in Bold, Repeats with an asterisk*

Level Up - 16 Moves, 8 VGMs

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I tried to make the movepool resemble an in-game movepool as closely as possible, mostly for flavor reasons. This is why the movepool contains only STAB moves and support moves. If you're wondering why Harden and Protect, it's because Aurumoth's 'wings' double as a protective shell, according to the artist KoA.

TMs and HMs - 46 Moves, 25 VGMs

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TMs are basically self-explanatory. I wanted Aurumoth to have good coverage options, albeit not too many, for both the physical and special spectrums, as well as a wide variety of support moves for more defensive builds.

Egg Moves (Bug/Monster) - 9 Moves, 4 VGMs

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Notable Compatibilities/Incompatibilities

I included the three Ancientpowers mainly for flavour reasons. Egg moves aren't too notable, wth only Dragon Dance and Whirwind standing out (Tail Glow is a level-up move). Final Gambit + Illusion could also be a gimmick, though!

Tutor Moves - 10 Moves, 6 VGMs

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Again, most of the Tutor Moves are flavor-based, such as the two 'Rooms' which don't see much competitive use at all. I wanted to include Trick Room as a TM, but that's a disallowed VGM, so apologies for that. We DO have a couple of notable moves here, though, such as Earth Power, Superpower, and Trick.

Now, for the explanations.

Why certain moves and not others?
As far as coverage moves go, I wanted to give Aurumoth the option of running certain moves dependant on its ability, as well as not overpowering or underpowering any single ability. Aurumoth has Ice Beam and not Blizzard, so that No Guard isn't the default option for dealing with Dragons. On the opposite side, I also gave Aurumoth Focus Blast instead of Aura Sphere, so that there is a reason to use No Guard in the first place. If me move on to physical moves, No Guard Aurumoth can run Stone Edge and Megahorn as well as Swords Dance to be a potent wallbreaker, or it can run Dragon Dance to attempt a sweep. Weak Armor Aurumoth, on the other hand, can also attempt a sweep using WA to provide the speed necessary and running Megahorn as a primary STAB. For physical fighting moves, I debated giving it Cross Chop but in the end I decided Aurumoth's only physical fighting-type coverage would be Superpower.

Now, for setup moves. I wanted offensive Aurumoth to be able to both sweep and wallbreak if necessary, so I gave it Swords Dance and Tail Glow to be able to do this after a single boost. Dragon Dance I was originally iffy about, but I decided to let it pass, with the condition that DD + Megahorn be illegal so Weak Armor would still be used for the speed boost. I also gave it Calm Mind and Cosmic Power, should Aurumoth want to try a more defensive setup route. However, I decided against giving it Quiver Dance, as well as Agility or equivalents. First of all, I wanted Aurumoth's low Special Defense to be a weakness for offensive variants, and I felt Quiver Dance's Speed Boost + Offense Boost + Special Defense Boost to be too much for this CAP, despite going amazingly flavorwise. As for Agility, I felt Agility Aurumoth would have too little risk, as it could bypass its low speed without needing the Weak Armor drop, and its 110/99 Defense as well as its typing would make it resistant to most common priority moves, allowing it to continue its sweep.

Finally, support options. I gave Aurumoth enough options to allow it to fulfill a defensive or supportive role if it need be. It has good physical bulk and acceptable special bulk (thanks to its base 110 HP), and I felt a supportive set was definitely possible. I gave Aurumoth all the common status moves (besides sleep), Dual Screens, Wish + Protect, Whirlwind, Cosmic Power... you name it. It can even hit back decently hard with its good offensive stats, even when uninvested. I would have loved to give Aurumoth Roost or Morning Sun, but unfortunately that was not possible.

Nyktos · Nov 5th, 2012, 9:41:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat bugmaniacbob

EDIT3: @ Nyktos: You have 37 VGMs, rather than 38.

Oh, snap, so I do. I had counted Psychic twice, likely because I removed it from and then later re-added it to the level-up list. Given the extra slot, added Shadow Ball.

I also changed its egg group and added the extremely competitively-relevant Teleport as an egg move. And...submission is now final.

srk1214 · Nov 6th, 2012, 2:23:41 AM

Alright, added descriptions and had a change to include Psycho Boost as a DW move, which means, yes, with just one ability. If this REALLY bothers you, bmb, feel free to treat it as an egg event move with random ability like everyone else's. It just feels unflavorful to me to do an event when events have largely been for legendaries for a long, long time. Beyond that, egg events are rare.

And I don't think the competitive difference of having Psycho Boost available on all 3 abilities is actually that great, as I don't think all 3 would use it. Psycho Boost feels very much like a hit and run move to me, which fits best on Illusion, so I have designated Illusion as the DW ability in my movepool submission in order to make this DW move things happen. If this is not within my rights, just treat it as an egg event move like everyone else's.

Oh and this brings be to 38 VGMs so I'm still good.

jagged_angel · Nov 6th, 2012, 6:32:49 AM

Ach, I am just too busy with work, I don't have time to finish my submission

but I will be rooting for any submissions that, for a start, have Dragon Dance and Tail Glow but no Quiver Dance. Glad you made up your mind capefeather!

DarkBlazeR · Nov 6th, 2012, 8:06:49 AM

Finished my submission - updated my OP.

RavensNation · Nov 6th, 2012, 12:43:33 PM

I hadn't noticed until now, but apparently I was one VGM over the limit. As much as it pains me, I decided to remove Trick from the Move Tutor moves.

Verminator · Nov 6th, 2012, 1:55:24 PM

Just a couple of small errors I noticed on the spreadsheet: first, I no longer have Light Screen, and instead I have Will-O-Wisp. Also, Calm Mind is present as a TM move, but I just didn't classify it as a VGM because it's outclassed by Quiver Dance, as covered by the rules.

Everything's in order otherwise.

bugmaniacbob · Nov 6th, 2012, 2:00:36 PM

That's that then

Slate:

Code:

capefeather
DarkBlazeR
Deck Knight
jas61292
Korski
Nyktos
nyttyn

poll up shortly

Nov 5th, 2012, 4:31:50 PM	#76
capefeather hey, even pirates need attorneys Moderator Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,603 especially internet pirates	All right, I am finally committing. I am including Dragon Dance, but not including Quiver Dance. Good luck to all submissions! __________________ If we cannot take joy in things that are merely real, our lives will always be empty. <+joshe> im a registered sex offender for up to calc 3 <+Reflect_Suicune> i was thining of fucking jellicent for some reason <DetroitLolcat> I AM AROUSED BY BIMETALLIC CURRENCY!

Nov 5th, 2012, 6:12:55 PM	#77
zyrefredric Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 522 Mandaue City, Philippines	Oh, I have 30 VGMs. Trick isn't currently shown in the spreadsheet, but it's one of the tutor moves. __________________ Want to PLAY a brand new metagame? Visit this Equal BST Metagame thread and tell us what you think. Ever tried A Monotype Take on the OU Metagame? Visit the thread and share your experience.

Nov 5th, 2012, 6:35:05 PM	#78
Scoopapa Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 922	Final Submission Key: bold + ' = VGM " = repeated or outclassed VGM * = repeated flavor move Move count = (total number of ' / total non-repeated moves) Moves are repeated if they appear in another category above the current one (i.e. Level Up is listed first and can't have repeated moves) Level Up (7/14) 1. Incinerate 1. Echoed Voice 1. Safeguard 1. Wish' 10. Flash 19. Protect' 28. Psybeam 37. Hex 46. Whirlwind' 55. Future Sight 64. Cotton Guard' 73. Close Combat' 82. Stored Power' 91. Overheat' TM (20/38) Psyshock' Calm Mind' Toxic' Hidden Power' Hyper Beam Protect" Rain Dance' Telekinesis Safeguard* Frustration' Rock Slide' Smack Down Thunderbolt' Earthquake' Return" Psychic' Shadow Ball' Double Team Sandstorm Rock Tomb Echoed Voice* Facade' Flame Charge' Rest' Attract Round Overheat" Focus Blast' Fling Incinerate* Will-O-Wisp' Retaliate Giga Impact Rock Polish" Stone Edge' Swords Dance' Struggle Bug Psych Up Sky Drop Blizzard' Swagger Substitute' Rock Smash Cut Fly Egg (7/11) Bug Buzz' Megahorn' Stun Spore' Sucker Punch' Hydro Pump' Magnitude Nasty Plot' Dragon Dance' Fury Attack Sand Tomb Pin Missile Tutor (4/12) Aqua Tail' Bug Bite Earth Power' Fire Pledge Helping Hand Icy Wind Iron Defense Last Resort Skill Swap Sleep Talk' Tailwind Uproar Zen Headbutt' Total moves: (38/75) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ VGM lists: Physical VGM's Megahorn Zen Headbutt Close Combat Return / Frustration Earthquake Stone Edge Aqua Tail Sucker Punch Rock Slide Flame Charge Special VGM's Overheat Bug Buzz Psychic Psyshock Focus Blast Hydro Pump Blizzard Thunderbolt Shadow Ball Hidden Power Stored Power Setup and Support VGM's Setup: Swords Dance Dragon Dance Nasty Plot Calm Mind Agility Cotton Guard Flame Charge Substitute Support: Wish Protect Whirlwind Will-o-Wisp Stun Spore Toxic Rest Sleep Talk Rain Dance Reasoning: Setup Moves: In general, I tried to make as strong a movepool as possible without using moves that especially rare and powerful. As such, in the setup department, I didn't think it was necessary to include Tail Glow or Quiver Dance. I really think that Nasty Plot, Swords Dance, Calm Mind, Dragon Dance, and Agility will be quite sufficient to sweep effectively. It's not so much about keeping Aurumoth from being overpowered as it is keeping it from being overpowered on account of a rare and incredible setup move. The former situation isn't much of a problem in terms of the educational value of a CAP, but the latter one certainly is. Attacking moves: I tried to vary coverage as much as possible, which meant not choosing too many coverage moves of the same type. Focus Blast and Hydro Pump are chosen over their weaker, more accurate, counterparts, as they are both usable without No Guard and yet very nice with No Guard. Thunderbolt is chosen because I didn't want to use every 70% acc. 120 BP move, and I figured since I may as well skip the one that becomes 100% acc. in Rain. There's no need, as far as I'm concerned, to let Drizzle teams alone get the best of both worlds in the case of ability and coverage moves. I didn't think Ice was particularly important for coverage, so Blizzard is there as a perk for No Guard sets. Rock Slide is there in addition to Stone Edge as a token of penance for the move-move requirement problems incurred elsewhere. Psycho Boost was left off to avoid event shenanigans and because for the sake of the concept I prefer wall-breaking with coverage or setup moves to wall-breaking with high-powered STAB spam. The movepool is quite ample on the physical side, with a core of Megahorn, Zen Headbutt, and Close Combat, and fleshed out with extra options in EdgeQuake, Aqua Tail, and Sucker Punch. Extremespeed was left off, the final example of a rare and extreme move that wasn't really necessary. Sucker Punch will accomplish most of the same things and even provide some coverage, but has some risk inherent in its use. Support Moves: Wish, Protect, Whirlwind, and three different statuses all help justify the use of Aurumoth as a tank or pivot rather than just a wallbreaker or sweeper. None of these are so rare or powerful that you would choose Aurumoth just because it learns them, but they are some of the best options that were available and should allow Aurumoth to play some mixed defensive/offensive roles in addition to it's purely offensive ones. Trick and Final Gambit were omitted because they are the opposite of high risk and high reward. The risk is tempered by the fact that a vast majority of pokemon will be crippled or killed by them, while the reward is tempered by the fact that you either lose your item or die even if you hit exactly the target you wanted. Sure, both can backfire pretty badly, but in general there is too much hedging of bets involved for applicability to the concept, and neither is particularly necessary for any practical reason. Flavor: There are a few elements that work together to create the movepool flavor-wise. The biggest of these is the "seraph" part, which itself consists of "angelic" moves (Protective moves, Singing moves, Flash and Future Sight) and a strong association to Fire. The second element of the flavor is earth oriented. This is partly due to my interpretation of the art (coloration particularly) and a precedent set by other mystical, "ancient automata" pokemon such as Claydol and Golurk. The idea of angels being constructs also appears in the recent Zelda game as well as some other things I unfortunately can't remember atm; at any rate, Aurumoth had good use for Ground moves and I felt giving it some Earth moves would be a nice complement to the seraph stuff. Earth Power, Sand/Rock Tomb, and Rock Polish all fit this theme. The final element isn't really anything clever, it's basically just Buggy and Psychic stuff to fulfill STAB moves. These are mostly found in the Egg moves and TM moves, where Aurumoth begins to move away from it's angelic origins to find its place among Bug and Psychic pokemon (or something like that). The levelup movepool is the most flavorful and is where the "seraph" theme is most presented. The earlier moves are protective and relatively innocent, but towards the higher levels Aurumoth has become more worldly and learns to channel its badass holy energy into its offense and learns Close Combat, Stored Power, and Overheat. Whirlwind is there as a reference to one of Yahweh's favorite methods of talking to humans, and a little tie-in to the associated mythology of seraphim (which I am admittedly not an expert in). Hex honestly works as you might expect an angel who hasn't quite reached the badass stage to cast a curse on something; the pun is impossible to avoid, however. __________________ List of Topic Leader Posts from early CAP4 discussion threads Read these if you haven't yet and are working on CAP4 Last edited by Scoopapa; Nov 6th, 2012 at 5:01:03 AM. Reason: nvm

Nov 5th, 2012, 8:10:05 PM	#79
Mdevil Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 109 Avatar by Eagle4	Added Pluck, Fly, and Cut to my movepool... Nothing important. Edit: Submission is Final. __________________ I want to say I get more stupid everyday, but it would make me stupid to admit that... Irony... Last edited by Mdevil; Nov 6th, 2012 at 12:25:10 AM.

Nov 5th, 2012, 8:25:15 PM	#80
ThePhalanx Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 246 Kyurem-B, get the f*ck back to Ubers.	FINAL SUBMISSION Current Number of Moves: 74/75 Current Number of VGMs: 38/38 (Repeats/Outclasses are not counted) VGMs in Bold, Repeats with an asterisk* Level Up - 16 Moves, 8 VGMs ... Lv1 Gust Lv1 Leech Life Lv1 Confusion Lv1 Harden* Repeat in Egg Moves Lv6 Telekinesis* Repeat in TMs Lv11 Flash Lv16 Psybeam Lv20 Bug Bite Lv25 Protect* Repeat in TMs Lv31 Psycho Cut Lv37 Swords Dance* Repeat in TMs Lv42 Wish Lv48 Cosmic Power Lv53 Bug Buzz Lv59 Psychic* Repeat in TMs Lv65 Tail Glow I tried to make the movepool resemble an in-game movepool as closely as possible, mostly for flavor reasons. This is why the movepool contains only STAB moves and support moves. If you're wondering why Harden and Protect, it's because Aurumoth's 'wings' double as a protective shell, according to the artist KoA. TMs and HMs - 46 Moves, 25 VGMs ... TM03 Psyshock TM04 Calm Mind TM06 Toxic TM10 Hidden Power TM11 Sunny Day TM13 Ice Beam TM15 Hyper Beam TM16 Light Screen TM17 Protect* Repeat in Level Up TM18 Rain Dance TM19 Telekinesis* Repeat in Level Up TM20 Safeguard TM21 Frustration* Repeat in Return TM22 Solarbeam TM24 Thunderbolt TM25 Thunder TM27 Return* Repeat in Frustration TM29 Psychic TM30 Shadow Ball TM32 Double Team TM33 Reflect TM39 Rock Tomb TM42 Facade TM44 Rest TM45 Attract TM48 Round TM49 Echoed Voice TM50 Overheat TM51 Ally Switch TM52 Focus Blast TM61 Will-O-Wisp TM63 Embargo TM67 Retaliate TM68 Giga Impact TM70 Flash* Repeat in Level Up TM71 Stone Edge TM73 Thunder Wave TM75 Swords Dance* Repeat in Level Up TM76 Struggle Bug TM77 Psych Up TM81 X-Scissor TM87 Swagger TM90 Substitute HM01 Cut HM02 Fly HM04 Strength TMs are basically self-explanatory. I wanted Aurumoth to have good coverage options, albeit not too many, for both the physical and special spectrums, as well as a wide variety of support moves for more defensive builds. Egg Moves (Bug/Monster) - 9 Moves, 4 VGMs ... Harden* - Butterfree, Beedrill, Heracross, Pinsir, Beautifly, Dustox, Ninjask, Shedinja, Volcarona. Repeat in Level Up Dragon Dance - Charizard, Feraligatr, Tyranitar, Haxorus Ancientpower - Charizard, Meganium, Feraligatr, Tyranitar, Yanmega Silver Wind - Butterfree, Venomoth, Ledian, Scizor, Ninjask, Shedinja, Volbeat, Beautifly, Dustox, Masquerain, Mothim, Yanmega, Leavanny, Volcarona Ominous Wind - Masquerain Whirlwind - Butterfree, Snorlax, Beautifly, Dustox, Masquerain, Rampardos, Drapion, Yanmega, Volcarona Tail Glow* - Volbeat. Repeat in Level Up Final Gambit - Accelgor, Shuckle, Ninjask, Shedinja Megahorn - Nidoking, Heracross, Rhyperior, Scolipede, Escavalier Notable Compatibilities/Incompatibilities Dragon Dance + Megahorn is ILLEGAL. Why? Mainly, ability triality. I wanted all of Aurumoth's abilities to be viable on any set, and I felt that if DD + Megahorn was allowed, No Guard sets would outclass Weak Armor sets on the physical spectrum as there is less of a need for the Weak Armor speed boost. I included the three Ancientpowers mainly for flavour reasons. Egg moves aren't too notable, wth only Dragon Dance and Whirwind standing out (Tail Glow is a level-up move). Final Gambit + Illusion could also be a gimmick, though! Tutor Moves - 10 Moves, 6 VGMs ... Earth Power Iron Defense Magic Coat Magic Room Signal Beam Skill Swap Superpower Tailwind Trick Wonder Room Zen Headbutt Again, most of the Tutor Moves are flavor-based, such as the two 'Rooms' which don't see much competitive use at all. I wanted to include Trick Room as a TM, but that's a disallowed VGM, so apologies for that. We DO have a couple of notable moves here, though, such as Earth Power, Superpower, and Trick. Now, for the explanations. Why certain moves and not others? As far as coverage moves go, I wanted to give Aurumoth the option of running certain moves dependant on its ability, as well as not overpowering or underpowering any single ability. Aurumoth has Ice Beam and not Blizzard, so that No Guard isn't the default option for dealing with Dragons. On the opposite side, I also gave Aurumoth Focus Blast instead of Aura Sphere, so that there is a reason to use No Guard in the first place. If me move on to physical moves, No Guard Aurumoth can run Stone Edge and Megahorn as well as Swords Dance to be a potent wallbreaker, or it can run Dragon Dance to attempt a sweep. Weak Armor Aurumoth, on the other hand, can also attempt a sweep using WA to provide the speed necessary and running Megahorn as a primary STAB. For physical fighting moves, I debated giving it Cross Chop but in the end I decided Aurumoth's only physical fighting-type coverage would be Superpower. Now, for setup moves. I wanted offensive Aurumoth to be able to both sweep and wallbreak if necessary, so I gave it Swords Dance and Tail Glow to be able to do this after a single boost. Dragon Dance I was originally iffy about, but I decided to let it pass, with the condition that DD + Megahorn be illegal so Weak Armor would still be used for the speed boost. I also gave it Calm Mind and Cosmic Power, should Aurumoth want to try a more defensive setup route. However, I decided against giving it Quiver Dance, as well as Agility or equivalents. First of all, I wanted Aurumoth's low Special Defense to be a weakness for offensive variants, and I felt Quiver Dance's Speed Boost + Offense Boost + Special Defense Boost to be too much for this CAP, despite going amazingly flavorwise. As for Agility, I felt Agility Aurumoth would have too little risk, as it could bypass its low speed without needing the Weak Armor drop, and its 110/99 Defense as well as its typing would make it resistant to most common priority moves, allowing it to continue its sweep. Finally, support options. I gave Aurumoth enough options to allow it to fulfill a defensive or supportive role if it need be. It has good physical bulk and acceptable special bulk (thanks to its base 110 HP), and I felt a supportive set was definitely possible. I gave Aurumoth all the common status moves (besides sleep), Dual Screens, Wish + Protect, Whirlwind, Cosmic Power... you name it. It can even hit back decently hard with its good offensive stats, even when uninvested. I would have loved to give Aurumoth Roost or Morning Sun, but unfortunately that was not possible. __________________ FREE SCOLIPEDE! #NU2013 - JAIL KYUREM-B! #UBER2013 Apparently ASB is a thing Remind me I've got battles to ref Last edited by ThePhalanx; Nov 6th, 2012 at 1:32:37 PM.

Nov 6th, 2012, 2:23:41 AM	#82
srk1214 Supreme Master of Trivia Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 807	Alright, added descriptions and had a change to include Psycho Boost as a DW move, which means, yes, with just one ability. If this REALLY bothers you, bmb, feel free to treat it as an egg event move with random ability like everyone else's. It just feels unflavorful to me to do an event when events have largely been for legendaries for a long, long time. Beyond that, egg events are rare. And I don't think the competitive difference of having Psycho Boost available on all 3 abilities is actually that great, as I don't think all 3 would use it. Psycho Boost feels very much like a hit and run move to me, which fits best on Illusion, so I have designated Illusion as the DW ability in my movepool submission in order to make this DW move things happen. If this is not within my rights, just treat it as an egg event move like everyone else's. Oh and this brings be to 38 VGMs so I'm still good. __________________ Best. Match. Ever. http://www.pokemonshowdown.com/replay/ou11554542 To see the other best match ever, go to DetroitLolcat's signature.

Nov 6th, 2012, 6:32:49 AM	#83
jagged_angel Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 571 London	Ach, I am just too busy with work, I don't have time to finish my submission but I will be rooting for any submissions that, for a start, have Dragon Dance and Tail Glow but no Quiver Dance. Glad you made up your mind capefeather! __________________ If I haven't seen further, it's because giants were standing on my shoulders...

Nov 6th, 2012, 8:06:49 AM	#84
DarkBlazeR Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 346	Finished my submission - updated my OP.

Nov 6th, 2012, 12:43:33 PM	#85
RavensNation Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 94 Baltimore, MD	I hadn't noticed until now, but apparently I was one VGM over the limit. As much as it pains me, I decided to remove Trick from the Move Tutor moves.

Nov 6th, 2012, 1:55:24 PM	#86
Verminator Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 46	Just a couple of small errors I noticed on the spreadsheet: first, I no longer have Light Screen, and instead I have Will-O-Wisp. Also, Calm Mind is present as a TM move, but I just didn't classify it as a VGM because it's outclassed by Quiver Dance, as covered by the rules. Everything's in order otherwise.

Nov 6th, 2012, 2:00:36 PM	#87
bugmaniacbob Fare thee well. Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,038 Floccinaucinihilipilification	That's that then Slate: Code: capefeather DarkBlazeR Deck Knight jas61292 Korski Nyktos nyttyn poll up shortly __________________ Art / C&C / The Smog / Longest Ever Analysis MkI / Longest Ever Analysis MkII / Warstories / Stupid Poem / CAP 4: Aurumoth