(Tournament) The Christmas Cup

**TheMantyke** · Nov 16th, 2012, 9:45:24 PM

Thanks to serebii and nuggetbridge for the heads up.

It's only been a week since the quirky Eevee Cup was announced and Nintendo has given us another tournament to chew over. Behold, the spiritual successor to VGC 2010, the Christmas cup!

What makes the holidays more than smashing opponents with your 600+ club legendaires?

So far, the christmas cup looks to have the same basis rule set of many similar tournaments. It looks like the species, item, Dark Void, and Sky Drop clauses are all back. What's really interesting is that every single Pokemon is allowed except the mighty Chatot.

This opens up the doors for all kinds of interesting pairs with Uber Pokemon we haven't gotten to play with. Kyogre and Groudon bring their classic weathers, but with new toys included. Victini can fire off monsterous V-Creates under the sun and Keldeo can blast through anything with a Rain boosted Surf or Hydro Pump. Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina can make use of their new Dream World Abilities taking Surfs, Earthquakes, Explosions, and Discharges no problem. Kyurem-W is finally given a rule set where it can fire off blizzards in permahail. Reshiram also gets an auto sun educing partner that doesn't suck! Though very vulnerable to priority, Skymin and Deoxys are sure to be a blast. Scariest of all, the mighty Arceus is free to decimate whatever is pleases.

So, what are you all excited about from this tournament?

Age of Kings · Nov 17th, 2012, 4:50:21 AM

Before saying anything else...I wish they would do these tournaments internationally. :/

Personally, more than allowing the use of box legendaries and shit, event mons which are traditionally banned in every official ruleset are allowed. It won't be the first time, but it will be interesting to see how Pokemon like Jirachi, Shaymin, and Deoxys fare in doubles.

Also, when I first saw "Christmas tournament" I totally expected it to be Ice types and Stantler only.

Sorawing · Nov 17th, 2012, 5:09:48 AM

On a side note, you will also get a free Custap Berry for participating, which would be nice for the metagame.

waffles101 · Nov 17th, 2012, 5:36:45 AM

we cant grow the custaps tho can we? since its given to us in the physical game

zero2exe · Nov 17th, 2012, 8:03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat waffles101

we cant grow the custaps tho can we? since its given to us in the physical game

That's where good old cloning methods kick in

tlyee61 · Nov 17th, 2012, 5:50:27 PM

Started theorymoning with this.

I modified the standard VGC 2010 team and made this:

Ludicolo (M) @ Grass Gem
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 84 HP / 252 SAtk / 172 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Fake Out
- Ice Beam
- Scald

Abomasnow (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Blizzard
- Grass Knot
- Ice Shard
- Protect

Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Water Spout
- Thunder
- Blizzard
- Surf

Kyurem-W @ Haban Berry
Trait: Turboblaze
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SAtk / 220 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Blizzard
- Fusion Flare
- Protect

Palkia @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 76 HP / 252 SAtk / 180 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunder
- Fire Blast
- Spacial Rend
- Protect

Thundurus-T (M) @ Electric Gem
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunder
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Protect
- Thunderbolt

- Kyurem-W's EVs allow it to outspeed the Base 90's like Kyogre
- Thundurus-T outspeeds Max Speed Palkia
- Palkia also outspeeds the Base 90's

pokemaster649 · Nov 17th, 2012, 6:01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat tlyee61

Started theorymoning with this.

I modified the standard VGC 2010 team and made this:

Hitmontop (M) @ Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Fake Out
- Mach Punch
- Detect
- Sucker Punch

Abomasnow (M) @ Focus Sash
Trait: Snow Warning
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SAtk
Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd)
- Blizzard
- Grass Knot
- Ice Shard
- Protect

Kyogre @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Drizzle
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Water Spout
- Thunder
- Blizzard
- Surf

Kyurem-W @ Haban Berry
Trait: Turboblaze
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SAtk / 220 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Draco Meteor
- Blizzard
- Fusion Flare
- Protect

Palkia @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 76 HP / 252 SAtk / 180 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunder
- Fire Blast
- Spacial Rend
- Protect

Thundurus-T (M) @ Electric Gem
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Thunder
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Protect
- Thunderbolt

- Kyurem-W's EVs allow it to outspeed the Base 90's like Kyogre
- Thundurus-T outspeeds Max Speed Palkia
- Palkia also outspeeds the Base 90's

does this tourney have item clause? Because you have two life orbs on your team.

tlyee61 · Nov 17th, 2012, 6:05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat pokemaster649

does this tourney have item clause? Because you have two life orbs on your team.

>.< yup.

Changed Hitmontop to this:

Ludicolo (M) @ Grass Gem
Trait: Swift Swim
EVs: 84 HP / 252 SAtk / 172 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Grass Knot
- Fake Out
- Ice Beam
- Scald

hoult66 · Nov 18th, 2012, 7:40:45 AM

COOL

RawrXD · Nov 18th, 2012, 10:45:35 AM

An I the only one who noticed on the OP Shaymin is named Skymin :D

jackm · Nov 18th, 2012, 11:44:50 AM

Sky Forme Shaymin is colloquially referred to as Skymin

**R_N** · Nov 18th, 2012, 3:19:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat waffles101

we cant grow the custaps tho can we? since its given to us in the physical game

If it's anything like the Micle berry it should be given to you through Dream World

Shinryu · Dec 10th, 2012, 1:09:40 AM

Yeah...pissed I don't have a Japanese cart, and pissed they won't do more tourneys like this for other markets. :(

Does sound fun...definitely gonna get a Japanese cart next gen at any rate.

Fantom0 · Dec 10th, 2012, 7:00:20 AM

Oh what the hell have I done...?

Just signed up for this...
...and realised it wasn't vgc 13.

tlyee61 · Dec 10th, 2012, 9:26:18 PM

really hyped for this!

c l e a r · Dec 14th, 2012, 4:39:51 AM

Excited for a little change in pace...
I have 3 DCs so far today, and didn't make my team into the Winter Cup in time. I'm not happy, at least there is the International Challenge later which is VGC 2013.

Basically, are we going to see the same old 2010 Kyogre, Palkia, Top, Obama combo? Or will it be more now...

EDIT: So, I guess no one really likes it, but I'm in it now anyways.
~~2 Matches; 2 d/cs so far, if I proceed to lose the next one, I am going to rage so fucking hard.~~

Yep, I lose the third one, meaning I am 0-1 right now. Fuck this, d/cing at least once if it goes south. This is bullshit.

**Arcticblast** · Jan 31st, 2013, 7:24:41 PM

According to Serebii, the 2013 Winter Friendly is this exact tournament but international.

tlyee61 · Feb 1st, 2013, 6:35:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Arcticblast

According to Serebii, the 2013 Winter Friendly is this exact tournament but international.

false, that tournament is Rotation Battle.

Nov 16th, 2012, 9:45:24 PM	#1
TheMantyke Relentless Moderator Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,171 Atlanta, GA	The Christmas Cup Thanks to serebii and nuggetbridge for the heads up. It's only been a week since the quirky Eevee Cup was announced and Nintendo has given us another tournament to chew over. Behold, the spiritual successor to VGC 2010, the Christmas cup! What makes the holidays more than smashing opponents with your 600+ club legendaires? So far, the christmas cup looks to have the same basis rule set of many similar tournaments. It looks like the species, item, Dark Void, and Sky Drop clauses are all back. What's really interesting is that every single Pokemon is allowed except the mighty Chatot. This opens up the doors for all kinds of interesting pairs with Uber Pokemon we haven't gotten to play with. Kyogre and Groudon bring their classic weathers, but with new toys included. Victini can fire off monsterous V-Creates under the sun and Keldeo can blast through anything with a Rain boosted Surf or Hydro Pump. Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina can make use of their new Dream World Abilities taking Surfs, Earthquakes, Explosions, and Discharges no problem. Kyurem-W is finally given a rule set where it can fire off blizzards in permahail. Reshiram also gets an auto sun educing partner that doesn't suck! Though very vulnerable to priority, Skymin and Deoxys are sure to be a blast. Scariest of all, the mighty Arceus is free to decimate whatever is pleases. So, what are you all excited about from this tournament? __________________ Last edited by TheMantyke; Nov 16th, 2012 at 11:26:28 PM.

Nov 17th, 2012, 4:50:21 AM	#2
Age of Kings Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 3,303 Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea	Before saying anything else...I wish they would do these tournaments internationally. :/ Personally, more than allowing the use of box legendaries and shit, event mons which are traditionally banned in every official ruleset are allowed. It won't be the first time, but it will be interesting to see how Pokemon like Jirachi, Shaymin, and Deoxys fare in doubles. Also, when I first saw "Christmas tournament" I totally expected it to be Ice types and Stantler only. __________________ Black FC: 3396 3071 2727 mein crap, don't post please

Nov 17th, 2012, 5:36:45 AM	#4
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Nov 17th, 2012, 5:50:27 PM	#6
tlyee61 Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 304 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯	Started theorymoning with this. I modified the standard VGC 2010 team and made this: Ludicolo (M) @ Grass Gem Trait: Swift Swim EVs: 84 HP / 252 SAtk / 172 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Grass Knot - Fake Out - Ice Beam - Scald Abomasnow (M) @ Focus Sash Trait: Snow Warning EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SAtk Quiet Nature (+SAtk, -Spd) - Blizzard - Grass Knot - Ice Shard - Protect Kyogre @ Choice Scarf Trait: Drizzle EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Water Spout - Thunder - Blizzard - Surf Kyurem-W @ Haban Berry Trait: Turboblaze EVs: 36 HP / 252 SAtk / 220 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Draco Meteor - Blizzard - Fusion Flare - Protect Palkia @ Life Orb Trait: Pressure EVs: 76 HP / 252 SAtk / 180 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Thunder - Fire Blast - Spacial Rend - Protect Thundurus-T (M) @ Electric Gem Trait: Volt Absorb EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk) - Thunder - Hidden Power [Ice] - Protect - Thunderbolt - Kyurem-W's EVs allow it to outspeed the Base 90's like Kyogre - Thundurus-T outspeeds Max Speed Palkia - Palkia also outspeeds the Base 90's __________________ Happy to give VGC team rates! PM me anytime and I'll rate as soon as I can. VGC 2013 San Jose: 2nd place Seniors Division Last edited by tlyee61; Nov 17th, 2012 at 6:05:47 PM.

Nov 18th, 2012, 7:40:45 AM	#9
hoult66 Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 76 Sanghelios	COOL __________________ When life gives you lemons make grape juice, and let life wonder how you did it.

Nov 17th, 2012, 5:09:48 AM	#3
Sorawing Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 17	On a side note, you will also get a free Custap Berry for participating, which would be nice for the metagame.

Nov 18th, 2012, 10:45:35 AM	#10
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Nov 18th, 2012, 11:44:50 AM	#11
jackm Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 330 Seattle	Sky Forme Shaymin is colloquially referred to as Skymin

Dec 10th, 2012, 1:09:40 AM	#13
Shinryu Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 3,450 AZ, land of endless heat...	Yeah...pissed I don't have a Japanese cart, and pissed they won't do more tourneys like this for other markets. :( Does sound fun...definitely gonna get a Japanese cart next gen at any rate. __________________ VGC 2009: Blame the stupid lotto >.> VGC 2010: Regionals： 3rd Phoenix: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72274 VGC 2011: Did not attend, protest against moving Phoenix off Regionals list VGC 2012: TBD

Dec 10th, 2012, 7:00:20 AM	#14
Fantom0 Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 379 England! WoopWoop!	Oh what the hell have I done...? Just signed up for this... ...and realised it wasn't vgc 13. __________________ Just waitin' for June 2nd now... --'?'-- <\|'.'\|>

Dec 10th, 2012, 9:26:18 PM	#15
tlyee61 Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 304 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯	really hyped for this! __________________ Happy to give VGC team rates! PM me anytime and I'll rate as soon as I can. VGC 2013 San Jose: 2nd place Seniors Division

Dec 14th, 2012, 4:39:51 AM	#16
c l e a r Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,280 Carousel of Agony	Excited for a little change in pace... I have 3 DCs so far today, and didn't make my team into the Winter Cup in time. I'm not happy, at least there is the International Challenge later which is VGC 2013. Basically, are we going to see the same old 2010 Kyogre, Palkia, Top, Obama combo? Or will it be more now... EDIT: So, I guess no one really likes it, but I'm in it now anyways. ~~2 Matches; 2 d/cs so far, if I proceed to lose the next one, I am going to rage so fucking hard.~~ Yep, I lose the third one, meaning I am 0-1 right now. Fuck this, d/cing at least once if it goes south. This is bullshit. __________________ いつからだろう君のことを追いかける There is no chance, no destiny, no fate, that can circumvent or hinder or control the firm resolve of a determined soul. - Ella Wheeler Wilcox Soul Silver FC: 5070 6986 0930 \| Black FC: 0218 1017 4907 I use legal hacks sometimes, events have been legit checked if I use them. Last edited by c l e a r; Dec 20th, 2012 at 9:13:44 PM.

Jan 31st, 2013, 7:24:41 PM	#17
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