5th Gen PRNG Help / Info - RNG Reporter 9.96.5, PPRNG 1.15.0 (Request in first post) - Page 684

AlternateMew · Nov 19th, 2012, 1:50:58 PM

Does the version matter when searching for shinies, or just the TID/SID? Since I can't RNG on w2, would using my w2's TID/SID let me RNG breed something on white that I could hatch shiny on w2?

Cereza · Nov 19th, 2012, 2:06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat AlternateMew

Does the version matter when searching for shinies, or just the TID/SID? Since I can't RNG on w2, would using my w2's TID/SID let me RNG breed something on white that I could hatch shiny on w2?

you can do that sure, just make sure you don't use international parents

TheAllyKat · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:17:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Cereza

you can do that sure, just make sure you don't use international parents

Why not?

zand · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:20:12 PM

Ok, so thanks to all the people above that set me on the right path to getting RNG to work.

I'm stuck at a part, got pictures this time.

Okay so here's exactly what I did;

Opened Rng Reporter 9.96.5 Beta.
Click the "Ds Parameter Search" button.
Put in my R4 (Does RNG work with roms? Or am I out of luck?)
Started up Pokemon white 2.
While in the menu I waited until my computer clock (synced with Ds clock) said 18h 22m 00sec, then I proceed to click "continue" in my game.
I saved my character at the top of the stairs in the sewers. (No Npc is around or moving on screen, so I assumed this would work).
I use sweet scent.
I get into a battle with a level 15 zubat.
I throw a master ball and catch it.
As fast as possible I run to the nearest Pokemon center, and get onto the GTS, and use pokecheck to see it's Ivs.
I input the Ivs. (Can someone check if I imputed them correctly, in the guide the picture shows the min and max Iv tables are different, but mine were the same)
I then shut the power off, and noted the time was 18h 28m 05sec.
After I put in the rest of the info (As seen in picture above) I proceeded to hit the "Search" button, but did not get a seed.

I am using this guide: http://www.smogon.com/ingame/rng/bw_rng_part1

Thanks again!

yinyang1712 · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:22:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat voodoo pimp

Most likely it's saying it's invalid because you entered something incorrectly. Can you post a screenshot of how you were trying to set up your profile?

It's possible you selected the wrong method, or aren't actually hitting the right PID frame. Can you post a screenshot of the main window?

Sure. I'm trying to hit frame 87. I confirmed my encounter slot, ability, characteristic, and gender, but the nature remains Bold for some reason.

TheAllyKat · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:26:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat zand

Put in my R4 (Does RNG work with roms? Or am I out of luck?)

Very likely that you are. The R4 passes data to the DS differently than the actual cartridges. Same issue with anyone trying to RNG with an Action Replay attached to their games. If some how you can pull it off, good on you.

TheAllyKat · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:29:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat yinyang1712

Screenshot...

Hey, your Synchronize field on the left hand side is blank. You need to fill that in. How are you confirming that you are hitting the right Timer0 & Seed?

The Agonist · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:35:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat TheAllyKat

Why not?

Because breeding Pokemon to hatch shiny on another game doesn't work with international parents.

TheAllyKat · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:37:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat The Agonist

Because breeding Pokemon to hatch shiny on another game doesn't work with international parents.

Is that the only thing that changes to the PID when trading over an egg to hatch? The only way the International Parent factor could be an issue is if the PID changes in some way when the Egg is transferred.

kiddu · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:43:15 PM

Nobody wants to help someone who ignores the help that's already given to them. voodoo pimp already told you about the issue with international parents directly the last time you asked about it.

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Originally Posted by Fat zand

Okay so here's exactly what I did;

Opened Rng Reporter 9.96.5 Beta.
Click the "Ds Parameter Search" button.
Put in my R4 (Does RNG work with roms? Or am I out of luck?)
Started up Pokemon white 2.
While in the menu I waited until my computer clock (synced with Ds clock) said 18h 22m 00sec, then I proceed to click "continue" in my game.
I saved my character at the top of the stairs in the sewers. (No Npc is around or moving on screen, so I assumed this would work).
I use sweet scent.
I get into a battle with a level 15 zubat.
I throw a master ball and catch it.
As fast as possible I run to the nearest Pokemon center, and get onto the GTS, and use pokecheck to see it's Ivs.
I input the Ivs. (Can someone check if I imputed them correctly, in the guide the picture shows the min and max Iv tables are different, but mine were the same)
I then shut the power off, and noted the time was 18h 28m 05sec.
After I put in the rest of the info (As seen in picture above) I proceeded to hit the "Search" button, but did not get a seed.

I am using this guide: http://www.smogon.com/ingame/rng/bw_rng_part1

Thanks again!

Using an R4 still works, but the parameters will be different, so you'll need to increase your search ranges. Also, the time you use is when you start the game from the DS/flashcart menu, not when you press Continue or turn off the game.

yinyang1712 · Nov 19th, 2012, 7:53:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat TheAllyKat

Hey, your Synchronize field on the left hand side is blank. You need to fill that in. How are you confirming that you are hitting the right Timer0 & Seed?

It doesn't matter, since all natures in bold are synchronizable. And i checked the characteristics--ability, gender, encounter slot, etc. I confirmed ivs using the guy at nimbasa station.

kiddu · Nov 19th, 2012, 8:01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat yinyang1712

It doesn't matter, since all natures in bold are synchronizable. And i checked the characteristics--ability, gender, encounter slot, etc. I confirmed ivs using the guy at nimbasa station.

Ignore that user. From his/her posts in this thread I'm pretty sure (s)he's either clueless or trolling.

As for your issue, somebody else had the same problem a few pages back, and it looks like RNG Reporter's Synchronize calculation is off a bit, so you might have hit one of those frames that it gets wrong.

yinyang1712 · Nov 19th, 2012, 8:21:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat kiddu

Ignore that user. From his/her posts in this thread I'm pretty sure (s)he's either clueless or trolling.

As for your issue, somebody else had the same problem a few pages back, and it looks like RNG Reporter's Synchronize calculation is off a bit, so you might have hit one of those frames that it gets wrong.

Alright, thank you! looks like i got trolled badly...

TheAllyKat · Nov 19th, 2012, 9:45:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat kiddu

Ignore that user. From his/her posts in this thread I'm pretty sure (s)he's either clueless or trolling.

Thanks kiddy. The truth is that over the last few point versions I have seen some glitches in RNG Reporter's access to .NET Framework on Windows 7 systems. I would not recommend leaving any fields blank if you are using a 64-Bit Windows 7 based system. Of course, you can listen to kiddy and their extensive background in software development.

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Originally Posted by Fat kiddu

As for your issue, somebody else had the same problem a few pages back, and it looks like RNG Reporter's Synchronize calculation is off a bit, so you might have hit one of those frames that it gets wrong.

Oh really? Incredible advice.

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Originally Posted by Fat kiddu

Nobody wants to help someone who ignores the help that's already given to them. voodoo pimp already told you about the issue with international parents directly the last time you asked about it.

Seriously? Kiddy, you must so obviously be referring to the following inquiry:

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Originally Posted by Fat TheAllyKat

Can eggs be traded over WiFi to Pad Pals? (Just double checking.)

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Originally Posted by Fat voodoo pimp

Yes.

kiddu · Nov 19th, 2012, 9:57:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat TheAllyKat

Thanks kiddy. The truth is that over the last few point versions I have seen some glitches in RNG Reporter's access to .NET Framework on Windows 7 systems. I would not recommend leaving any fields blank if you are using a 64-Bit Windows 7 based system. Of course, you can listen to kiddy and their extensive background in software development.

Way to keep missing the point.

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Originally Posted by Fat TheAllyKat

Seriously? Kiddy, you must so obviously be referring to the following inquiry:

Wrong again, kitty.

TheAllyKat · Nov 19th, 2012, 10:16:42 PM

I have not been missing the point. I run .NET Framework in debug mode. I get alerts from RNG Reporter periodically.

I honestly forgot the mention of the international parents because it was a side note to my original question. Now that I am seeing it repeating, I am asking the logical question of: why? (Which you could pose to either voodoo_pimp or to Cereza) Either which way, it on its own is a question that has not been answered for me.

I will reword this again so that I can hopefully end up with an answer:
What values are changed to the PID by trading an Egg to another cartridge?

The Agonist · Nov 19th, 2012, 11:00:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat TheAllyKat

I have not been missing the point. I run .NET Framework in debug mode. I get alerts from RNG Reporter periodically.

I honestly forgot the mention of the international parents because it was a side note to my original question. Now that I am seeing it repeating, I am asking the logical question of: why? (Which you could pose to either voodoo_pimp or to Cereza) Either which way, it on its own is a question that has not been answered for me.

I will reword this again so that I can hopefully end up with an answer:
What values are changed to the PID by trading an Egg to another cartridge?

All that matters is that is doesn't work. End of story.

kiddu · Nov 19th, 2012, 11:05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat TheAllyKat

I have not been missing the point. I run .NET Framework in debug mode. I get alerts from RNG Reporter periodically.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat TheAllyKat

Hey, your Synchronize field on the left hand side is blank. You need to fill that in.

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Originally Posted by Fat yinyang1712

It doesn't matter, since all natures in bold are synchronizable.

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*shows up as bolded whether the Synchronizer field is filled or not*

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Originally Posted by Fat TheAllyKat

Thanks kiddy. The truth is that over the last few point versions I have seen some glitches in RNG Reporter's access to .NET Framework on Windows 7 systems. I would not recommend leaving any fields blank if you are using a 64-Bit Windows 7 based system.

Yes, you have.

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Originally Posted by Fat TheAllyKat

I honestly forgot the mention of the international parents because it was a side note to my original question. Now that I am seeing it repeating, I am asking the logical question of: why? (Which you could pose to either voodoo_pimp or to Cereza) Either which way, it on its own is a question that has not been answered for me.

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Originally Posted by Fat voodoo pimp

The only other consideration is that you can't use international parents or the shiny charm - since the PID rerolls are checked against the ID/SID of the game you receive the egg on, it won't work properly if you trade it.

Ajacmac · Nov 20th, 2012, 12:07:57 AM

Could anyone give me a set of example parameters/search ranges for Black 2/DSi/DSTWO?

Cipher Admin Lovrina · Nov 20th, 2012, 12:10:36 AM

Is there any easy way to rng Uxie what with all the wnpcs? What's a good frame for it to be on? I have a go-to flawless synchronizable shiny frame that's like 135 frames in, starting at like 45 frames. How many Chatots would you recommend in the meantime?

**Stellar** · Nov 20th, 2012, 12:13:40 AM

For Uxie, it is probably easiest just to lead with your Synchronizer and hope you land on a Synch frame. You have ~50% chance of getting the right nature which saves you a lot of time spent trying to calibrate with so many WNPCs.

ETA: After reading The Agonist's post, I think I misinterpreted what you were asking...

The Agonist · Nov 20th, 2012, 12:37:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Cipher Admin Lovrina

Is there any easy way to rng Uxie what with all the wnpcs? What's a good frame for it to be on? I have a go-to flawless synchronizable shiny frame that's like 135 frames in, starting at like 45 frames. How many Chatots would you recommend in the meantime?

there are seven WNPCs in Nacrene, so it'll advance very rapidly. I'd probably use a seed with a shiny frame around 200-250, just to give yourself a bit of room.

**voodoo pimp** · Nov 20th, 2012, 3:57:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat TheAllyKat

I will reword this again so that I can hopefully end up with an answer:
What values are changed to the PID by trading an Egg to another cartridge?

Trading doesn't change anything. But the game checks whether to generate extra PIDs based on the ID/SID of the game you generate the egg on, so if the ID/SID in RNG Reporter are different then it might generate a different number of extra PIDs.

I think it might work if you hit the last shiny frame in the cluster, but then you're getting no additional benefit anyway so there's no point.

Cipher Admin Lovrina · Nov 20th, 2012, 7:52:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Stellar

For Uxie, it is probably easiest just to lead with your Synchronizer and hope you land on a Synch frame. You have ~50% chance of getting the right nature which saves you a lot of time spent trying to calibrate with so many WNPCs.

ETA: After reading The Agonist's post, I think I misinterpreted what you were asking...

I see what you mean. I think I'll just try to land on a sync frame :)

Falcon Star · Nov 20th, 2012, 2:31:22 PM

I've looked around, but can't find anything to solve my problem. It says in the 3rd post that RNG Reporter will work on Linux (I'm assuming on Wine?) but I can't get it to run after installation. I don't get error messages or anything, it just... doesn't run. Can somebody help?

If you need any details, PM me and I'll tell you as much as I can. Thanks!

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Nov 19th, 2012, 1:50:58 PM	#17076
AlternateMew Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9	Does the version matter when searching for shinies, or just the TID/SID? Since I can't RNG on w2, would using my w2's TID/SID let me RNG breed something on white that I could hatch shiny on w2?

Nov 19th, 2012, 7:20:12 PM	#17079
zand Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2	Ok, so thanks to all the people above that set me on the right path to getting RNG to work. I'm stuck at a part, got pictures this time. Okay so here's exactly what I did; Opened Rng Reporter 9.96.5 Beta. Click the "Ds Parameter Search" button. Put in my R4 (Does RNG work with roms? Or am I out of luck?) Started up Pokemon white 2. While in the menu I waited until my computer clock (synced with Ds clock) said 18h 22m 00sec, then I proceed to click "continue" in my game. I saved my character at the top of the stairs in the sewers. (No Npc is around or moving on screen, so I assumed this would work). I use sweet scent. I get into a battle with a level 15 zubat. I throw a master ball and catch it. As fast as possible I run to the nearest Pokemon center, and get onto the GTS, and use pokecheck to see it's Ivs. I input the Ivs. (Can someone check if I imputed them correctly, in the guide the picture shows the min and max Iv tables are different, but mine were the same) I then shut the power off, and noted the time was 18h 28m 05sec. After I put in the rest of the info (As seen in picture above) I proceeded to hit the "Search" button, but did not get a seed. I am using this guide: http://www.smogon.com/ingame/rng/bw_rng_part1 Thanks again!

Nov 19th, 2012, 10:16:42 PM	#17091
TheAllyKat Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 62	I have not been missing the point. I run .NET Framework in debug mode. I get alerts from RNG Reporter periodically. I honestly forgot the mention of the international parents because it was a side note to my original question. Now that I am seeing it repeating, I am asking the logical question of: why? (Which you could pose to either voodoo_pimp or to Cereza) Either which way, it on its own is a question that has not been answered for me. I will reword this again so that I can hopefully end up with an answer: What values are changed to the PID by trading an Egg to another cartridge?

Nov 20th, 2012, 12:07:57 AM	#17094
Ajacmac Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 1	Could anyone give me a set of example parameters/search ranges for Black 2/DSi/DSTWO?

Nov 20th, 2012, 2:31:22 PM	#17100
Falcon Star Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1 Texas	I've looked around, but can't find anything to solve my problem. It says in the 3rd post that RNG Reporter will work on Linux (I'm assuming on Wine?) but I can't get it to run after installation. I don't get error messages or anything, it just... doesn't run. Can somebody help? If you need any details, PM me and I'll tell you as much as I can. Thanks!