Theorymon: Don't troll me (give me the move that fits me)

[Enguarde]

Originally Posted by Fat kiddu

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFine, then. Let's bring up a different elephant:

+ ICE PUNCH (and/or Ice Shard)

Seriously, do I even need to go into this one? No physical Ice-type attack is the single biggest flaw in Byurem's movepool. BoltBeam coverage off of Base 170 ATK is nothing to sneeze at.

In addition to the much needed physical Ice move, its hard to imagine what Trollfreak were thinking when something as monstrous as Kyurem didn't get given Superpower.

With a physical fighting move it would also have a much better time getting around pokemon like Heatran, Tyranitar and Ferrothorn when it pleases, without either being forced out or having to use a weak Focus Blast.

And come on. This thing literally screams Superpower!

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[Antihaxxer]

Icicle Crash makes more sense than Ice Punch, but Ice Punch could be already a good addition

[jackm]

+ Recover
Stats + Typing: Well, first of all, Giratina is the bulkiest Pokemon in existence. Bar none. 150 base HP and 120 base Defenses are just ridiculous, but they're hindered by Giratina's lack of reliable recovery. In addition, Ghost-types have always seemed to me to be regenerative, and Giratina is no exception.
Ability: It could run a painfully torturous SubRoost set to abuse Pressure. (Nobody likes you telepathy)
Design: Giratina's fundamental design is "extremely bulky mon". When Gamefreak was making DP, that's almost certainly what they were trying to do. All of its character came with Platinum, but it's attributed to Giratina-O. Speaking of Giratina-O, it would greatly appreciate recovery too.
Need: With Recover and the right set, Giratina can effortlessly wall Kyogre, Ho-oh, and other major threats. It would pretty much mandate running Substitute as well, because it's Giratina's only reliable way of blocking status. That said, though, RestTalk is tough enough to take down.

[The Agonist]

+ Mach Punch & Drain Punch

Stats + typing: Machamp is another slowish, but relatively bulky fighting type with massive Atk. Needless to say, STAB priority is always appreciated. At the same time, lack of recovery outside of leftovers really hinders its longevity. DynamicPunch might buy it a turn or two, but why not just heal itself by attacking the opponent.
Ability: No Guard probably wouldn't need Drain Punch due to DynamicPunch being the superior choice, but Mach Punch would be good option to have for it. Guts Machamp (lol) would certainly appreciate semi-reliable recovery to offset burn, and Mach Punch would again, be appreciated.
Design: At least one Pokédex description has described Machamp as being able to punch 1000 times in like two seconds. That definitely fits Mach Punch's criteria of being able to strike fast. As for Drain Punch, well, more goddamn Psychic types get it that actual Fighting types, it seems. Conkeldurr and Hitmonchan are perfectly capable of using Drain Punch, so why the hell can't Machamp?

[Present]

Roost on Giratina seems even more fitting than recover. You know it got those wings, right. Even if the wings do not have feathers, gamefreak does not follow that criterium. look at latias, latios, gliscor, etc. Even mons without wings like mew got it (I know, it gets everything.) Nut what about hydreigon, those wings look a lot like giratina's. Zekrom, Reshiram and Zekrom get roost too, and those are really not feathered wings. Most bugs also get roost, despite not having feathers. Wings of bugs are made of a very thin membrame, which does not exist of feathers at all. As you see, Roost (Japanese: Feather Rest) is given to a lot of pokemon that do not even make sense. Giratina has much more of a reason to get the move.

[Chou Toshio]

If people used Guts Machamp with Drain Punch + Mach Punch, it'd basically just be Conkeldurr with a little bit less bulk/ATK. It would probably be pretty monstrous in UU just running the same set as Conk, but with much weaker checks.

[Alice in Strings]

Aqua Jet + Pluck + Drill Run/ Aqua Tail (non-Move Tutor)

Stats + Typing: Blah, Seaking's stats aren't pretty, but it'd really like some MOVES! God damn, this thing gets NOTHING at all bar Waterfall, Poison Jab and Megahorn. Lumineon has a similar BST, but is far more useful thanks to actually having access to moves.
Design: Seaking is pretty neat looking, but doesn't exactly have many things it could do with it. That doesn't mean it can't get anything, right?
Need: Priority would be nice for Seaking, though it's not gonna be killing anything without a Super Effective hit. A good number of Water types get Aqua Jet, heck, even a fat penguin (Piplup line) gets it and this fish doesn't? Drill Run is given to Fearow by level up of all things, but Seaking needs a move tutor for it. Same with Aqua Tail; it gets it by breeding, but Seaking's got a pretty large tail for its size

As for Pluck, there are a couple of Pokemon that lack actual beaks that get it (Zubat, anyone?), and some that have horns that get it (Rapidash, iirc). It already gets Peck, so it obviously has a way of "pecking" something, why not plucking?

It's not like Seaking is gonna be doing much anyway, but it's still very outclassed by Lumineon, who's far easier to use (mainly because Lumineon gets an Ice type move...)

[jackm]

@Present:

I considered Roost, but by nature Roost requires the Pokemon to be able to fly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that only Giratina-O can fly.

[Crasher Wake]

Originally Posted by Fat Alice in Strings

As for Pluck, there are a couple of Pokemon that lack actual beaks that get it (Zubat, anyone?), and some that have horns that get it (Rapidash, iirc). It already gets Peck, so it obviously has a way of "pecking" something, why not plucking?

It's not like Seaking is gonna be doing much anyway, but it's still very outclassed by Lumineon, who's far easier to use (mainly because Lumineon gets an Ice type move...)

Wouldn't Icicle Spear make sense? That'd be pretty cool.

[The Agonist]

Originally Posted by Fat jackm

@Present:

I considered Roost, but by nature Roost requires the Pokemon to be able to fly. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that only Giratina-O can fly.

No, even the normal altered forme can Fly. Additionally, Gligar and Gliscor can both use Roost, and they can't even fly in the traditional sense of the word.

[Chou Toshio]

Both forms can fly. I think it'd be cool for Giratina to use Roost. Besides, even Shaymin (original form) can keep Air Slash from its sky form. Giratina getting Roost doesn't sound weird at all.

Aqua Jet Seaking doesn't sound too interesting (honestly, it's not doing anything without Rain Dance right?). Drill Run sounds cool though, with Rain Dance / Waterfall / Megahorn (or Return) / Drill Run. That's basically flawless coverage (flawless if you use Return).


Another Poke I'd like to bring up:

+ Rapid Spin


Stats + Typing: STAB. lol, but besides, Miltank has great Speed and good bulk for a support role, its overall bulk similar to Slowbro.
Ability: SCRAPPY. With Rapid Spin, Miltank would become the only Pokemon in the game with a flawless Rapid Spin that could not be spin blocked.
Design: Miltank's famous for rolling and spinning-- Rollout was its trademark move in GS, and in the anime. Rapid Spin is an easy design fit.
Need: Heal Bell support is just not worth a moveslot in the modern metagame, especially one where even Blissey is barely relevant in OU. A flawless Rapid Spin would be insanely cool! While its lack of resistances and only great (not godly) bulk and mediocre 80 ATK with no resistances (though people could troll with Thick Fat or Herbivore sets, since they would not be immediately detectable to lack Scrappy) besides Ghost would keep it a minor Pokemon in OU, Miltank would gain a unique and incredible niche, such that it would definitely see usage. Also it would make threats like Deoxys-D easier to handle, as Miltank outspeeds Deo-D, getting in SR or Toxic before Taunt, and Spins away any hazards. Miltank also has reliable recovery, which is very cool.

A set like:

Miltank
@Leftovers
Scrappy
-Rapid Spin
-SR
-Milk Drink
-Return / Toxic / Heal Bell

Maybe?

[inanimate blob]

This is all just Theorymon, but I actually see a Miltank like that running Body Slam in its last to keep spreading hax.

[Jangrafess]

I assume that's why Alice said that they'd like to see Seaking given the move through level up rather than the move tutor.

[Alice in Strings]

Originally Posted by Fat Jangrafess

I assume that's why Alice said that they'd like to see Seaking given the move through level up rather than the move tutor.

Indeed, I try to do my research, though it sometimes backfires on me. Icicle Spear would be amazing for Seaking, as it's not doing anything with Ice Beam. As for Aqua Jet, a lot of Pokemon that don't even seem like they'd be able to pull it off get the move, and Seaking lacks priority of any type.

For Lumineon:

FUCKING QUIVER DANCE!

Why, you ask? Simple: Quiver Dance in Japan is called "Butterfly Dance". Lumineon is based on a Butterfly Fish. Why hasn't it gotten this move? This move could fix a lot that Lumineon has wrong, namely it's SpAtk. It's got a pretty good movepool in terms of attack (and is one of the only Water type Pokemon to pack some effective Bug type moves).

[Chou Toshio]

I thought about Body Slam the moment I posted it too



Miltank
@Leftovers
Scrappy
-Rapid Spin
-SR
-Milk Drink
-Body Slam

AC:
-Thick Fat / Sap Sipper could be used to troll people (who have no reason to immediately switch a Ghost into a Pokemon they believe to have Scrappy)
-Return is an alternate Normal move, but overall Paralysis would be more useful
-Heal Bell
-Toxic / T-Wave good status options


How much OU use could you guys see this getting?



edit: also yeah, I could definitely see Lumineon getting Quiver Dance.

[DEMo_Gorgon47]

+ Bulk Up + Shadow Sneak + Sucker Punch

Stats + Typing: Well obviously Shadow Sneak matches his typing. And if Ariados can get it, (and a Trapinch can get Quick Attack, the Normal Equivalent) this guy can get Shadow Sneak. Sucker Punch matches his punching flare. Bulk Up would be a perfect way to bolster his less than stellar defensive stats, as well as his great offensive stat. And after Bulk Up, any priority would be much appreciated on him.
Ability: Kinda irrelevant, except to Sucker Punch, but still, with the attack boost from Bulk up plus the boost from Iron Fist, it could make for a nasty combo
Design: He is a jacked suit or Armor, why cant he have Bulk Up? Besides, if Braviary can get it, I think he can too. Sucker Punch because he has massive fists, and Shadow Sneak because it matches his mysterious power that is mentioned in the Pokedex entry.

[atsync]

Originally Posted by Fat DEMo_Gorgon47

Ability: Kinda irrelevant, except to Sucker Punch, but still, with the attack boost from Bulk up plus the boost from Iron Fist, it could make for a nasty combo

Sucker Punch isn't boosted by Iron Fist.

[Antihaxxer]

Sucker Punch does not have the word Punch in the Japanese version ...

[TM13IceBeam]

sucker punch is surprise attack in the jp version

it's the same logic as why you don't give flare blitz to flareon because "OMGITHASFLAREINITSNAME" (although flare blitz flareon would admittedly be sweet)

Also, Tail Glow Ampharos. I mean, fuck it, Manaphy gets the move. For what?

[Antihaxxer]

Yay for Tail Glow Ampharos !

Flareon is called "Booster" in JP ? And Flare Blitz ? But it's still weird that a physical fire type doesn't have a good fire type move ! (Flame Charge > Fire Fanf on him !)

[Level 51]

Originally Posted by Fat Chou Toshio

With Rapid Spin, Miltank would become the only Pokemon in the game with a flawless Rapid Spin that could not be spin blocked.

Actually, Shedinja still spinblocks it (though admittedly, no one really uses that, but still...)

On a separate note,

+ RAPID SPIN

It's one of the few Pokemon which resists or is immune to U-turn, Volt Switch and Thunder/Hurricane. It can set up Stealth Rock too; RAPID SPIN would put it one step above CLAYDOL. Which would you rather use, a derpy little top made of earth or a GIANT STEEL SNAKE OF DEATH (which also has Sturdy, how useful!)? As a bonus, Steelix is also immune to Toxic Spikes and4x resists STEALTH ROCK so it can switch in and out to bedazzle your confused opponents!

Look at those defences: 75/200/65. 200. Gligar's got nothing on this GIANT STEEL SNAKE OF DEATH, which also coincidentally has ICE FANG to BRUTALLY MURDER any little Gligar unfortunate to fly in its face. And did I mention it can also actually do damage? Unlike shitty spinners like CLAYDOL and TORKOAL and PINECO even though no one actually uses these guys in RU, this GIANT STEEL SNAKE OF DEATH is all ready to maul some Pokemon!*

*Results may differ.

lol, that was a pretty great 400th post :P

[celever]

The reason no one uses Claydol in RU is because it's UU! XD
Anyway, we can't just go handing out rapid spin to random pokemon that it suits. Rapid spin on Miltank suits it, rapid spin on steelix does not.
Otherwise I like it on Spiritomb! XD
However, I would like to put a pokemon forward with rapid spin, simply because, well, it suits it, but also is great on it (sort of).

@ Rapid spin!

Come on, as rapid spinners go Cloyste- Wait. WHAT!? Screw Cloyster, rapid spin suits him, but how do and not have it? COME ON!

I mean, crogonal got it in gen 5, maybe it didn't suit them before but it sure as hell does now! Rapid spin is created when you spin so violently that you whisk away the hazards. Lunatone and Solrock ATTACK by doing that!!!!!!!
Stats + typing Typing wise, rock and psychic, they don't get STAb or anything from it. But it's not exactly a move you use to attack! XD Stats wise... Well, it suits Solrock MORE because it's physical (attack and defense) based as opposed to lunatone's special basing but as aforementioned this move isn't made to attack. Negative wise, the spin-blockers - ghosts hit these two super-effectively, but you don't need to cry over that since they can both switch in and out pretty safely, one for physical and one for special sweepers.
Design: I know solrock more than Lunatone for some reason, but in pokemon battle revolution, XD and colosseum solrock attacks physically by turning on it's side, spinning and charging at the foe. Exactly what rapid spin does!
Ability: Levitate is pretty handy in regular meta-game for these pokemon, but it also helps them with rapid spin against the most common spin-blocker in NU and RU, golurk In fact, in NU the only other ghost types are banette and (the.. uh.. not so common) Shedinja! Neither of which are common at all! Solrock and Lunatone could even go up to RU where Rotom joins in. This just says about the lack of spin-blockers in NU and RU (off topic a little bit) but it just goes to say how useful tyhese 2 would become with this attack.

[TM13IceBeam]

i can completely see solrock using rapid spin but not lunatone :/

[UllarWarlord]

Originally Posted by Fat TM13IceBeam

i can completely see solrock using rapid spin but not lunatone :/

It spins so fast it becomes a full moon

How can you not see that

[Alice in Strings]

In addition to Quiver Dance fixing it's...um...laughable SpAtk, it also makes it faster than a lot of Pokemon, as its speed stat is already pretty good as is (being just above the magic number 90).