The Double Battle Metagame (GBU) - Page 13

pokemaster649 · May 8th, 2012, 8:22:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Superpokemon67

Has anyone else noticed the influx of Japanese people playing recently? It seems like everyone's training for the Japanese Wi-fi tourny coming up.

I have been noticing, they couldn't beat me. Yeah I agree with you, they are practicing for their tourney.

Ashenlock · Jun 21st, 2012, 6:13:05 PM

It looks like a lot of 4th Gen move tutor moves will be available this gen. What do you think? I'm looking forward to some of the status moves that weren't legally available to Prankster Pokemon, like Gravity with Sableye.

Also, there is (apparently) a stricter rule on disconnection.

Baz Anderson · Jun 21st, 2012, 7:59:39 PM

It's a good idea in theory to prevent someone who disconnects from battling for a short while, hopefully it will work in practise.

I'm glad they have introduced these move tutors to this generation too. I breed all my Pokémon properly, so it means I can finally do a few that I never bothered to do on the generation 4 games (like Gastrodon with Earth Power...)

Drifblim · Jun 21st, 2012, 8:34:33 PM

hmm wonder how hard getting the shards will be? Nothing really cool for me in the move tutor stuff, I have to wonder what will even get Drill Run. Dual Chop is an interesting proposal, so Dragons can choose between it and Dragon Claw. I have a feeling most aside from Dratini and Dragonair will get it. The disconnect rule sounds like it could be very good if it works like it should!

Baz Anderson · Jun 21st, 2012, 11:26:10 PM

Hydreigon will be able to have both Dark Pulse and Earth Power... Dragonite will be able to have Multiscale and Superpower... Salamence with Moxie and Dragon Dance and Outrage (more interesting for singles...) maybe some of the fifth generation Pokémon will be able to learn some new moves too... (Conkeldurr with the elemental punches?)

They will certainly make things a little more interesting.

Drifblim · Jun 21st, 2012, 11:42:11 PM

Yea, I just mean nothing too much on my personal faves AKA Trick Roomy stuff mainly. Hydreigon is a notable one i hadn't considered in awhile, it will give him pretty great coverage, but I think there will be a slot on most of his movesets that is Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Earth Power, because of sorta similar coverage. Wonder if Mienshao will get the elemental punches, I don't really think it would make him that much stronger but it would be an interesting and viable option

Baz Anderson · Jul 19th, 2012, 10:59:39 AM

I came across my first Skill Link Cinccino and Prankster Liepard today. The Liepard was very annoying - Foul Play / Swagger / Thunder Wave / Substitute - obviously Foul Play and Swagger work together quite well.

Baz Anderson · Oct 24th, 2012, 11:48:28 PM

So after getting fed up of the majority of simple battles in Free Mode, I dived into Rated for the first time on Black 2. First game; someone called ZACH I think from the USA with 1630. I win, he disconnects as the ratings go through...

Shame it's still happening even with the new games.

Baz Anderson · Nov 15th, 2012, 1:31:24 PM

Intimidate Scrafty will be released on the 21st of November, according to Serebii.

I'm sure we'll see a fair few of these. I imagine Hitmontop will still be first choice though.

Little Green Yoda · Nov 30th, 2012, 3:27:21 PM

Wow, this thread (and subforum) is a virtual ghost town.

I just started playing random wifi doubles recently and I've been shying away from rated play due to all the stories of D/Cs. But in my limited experience in free mode, the competition has been lackluster to say the least. Does my only chance of facing strong players in random wifi lie in braving the potential D/C-fest of rated play? Or have I just been unlucky in playing really weak players in free play?

Ashenlock · Nov 30th, 2012, 3:53:15 PM

That's exactly how it was back in BW1 (unchallenging free mode vs. disconnect-friendly rated mode) and though I had heard D/Cing had more consequences in BW2, it sounds from your account like the changes in BW2 either didn't work or never really happened. I don't know how many D/Cs you have had in free mode, but the D/C count in my sig is 100% from free mode; so it could just as well be that the D/Cing in rated mode, while bad, is only really a little worse than free mode, than that D/Cing in rated mode is far worse even than in rated mode. If you've seen a thread about a Wifi tournament and disconnections within it, that's probably the best way to parse how bad rated mode is going to be short of playing in it for a while.

JRank · Nov 30th, 2012, 6:32:17 PM

I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've been DCed on in rated, if anything there have probably been more DCs in free mode! (roughly the same amount of games played in both) Overall it's much less of a problem than in BW1, and contrary to what was thought in the beginning of BW2 *coughbirchcough*, only the person who disconnects is kicked off for an hour.

Little Green Yoda · Nov 30th, 2012, 10:21:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Ashenlock

That's exactly how it was back in BW1 (unchallenging free mode vs. disconnect-friendly rated mode) and though I had heard D/Cing had more consequences in BW2, it sounds from your account like the changes in BW2 either didn't work or never really happened. I don't know how many D/Cs you have had in free mode, but the D/C count in my sig is 100% from free mode; so it could just as well be that the D/Cing in rated mode, while bad, is only really a little worse than free mode, than that D/Cing in rated mode is far worse even than in rated mode. If you've seen a thread about a Wifi tournament and disconnections within it, that's probably the best way to parse how bad rated mode is going to be short of playing in it for a while.

Well, I haven't actually delved into rated mode yet. I'm just basing it on the comments I've read on here and just human nature when a pretty rating is involved. But if the D/C rate in free mode is similar to that of rated mode, I might as well play the more challenging one.

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Originally Posted by Fat JRank

I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've been DCed on in rated, if anything there have probably been more DCs in free mode! (roughly the same amount of games played in both) Overall it's much less of a problem than in BW1, and contrary to what was thought in the beginning of BW2 *coughbirchcough*, only the person who disconnects is kicked off for an hour.

Hmmm. Guess I'll give rated mode a fair shake then.

Thanks guys!

brainard52 · Mar 23rd, 2013, 6:15:02 PM

Well, I'm going to start playing again, and rather than play singles, I'm going to be playing doubles. It seems to me that it's a much more strategic form of gameplay. I could be wrong, though.

For reference, though, what are we seeing to be useful at this moment?

Forsety · Mar 26th, 2013, 3:27:15 PM

In doubles you're going to see a metric shitload of rain teams with equal amounts of goodstuff and Trick Room, in actual face to face competitions most teams are sand or goodstuff, with the occasional Trick Roomer.

If you're asking in terms of what kinds of pokemon you regularly see in doubles the big ones who you absolutely can not ignore because they're so common are Cresselia, Tyranitar, Hitmontop, Thundurus, Metagross, Hydreigon, Gastrodon, Garchomp, Lati@s, Politoed, Ludicolo. Those are the kings of VGC format who make up almost every team out there in some form. Out of those the absolutely most dangerous are Hitmontop & Thundurus, they make up one of the most dangerous lead pairs in the entire game.

Other Pokemon who are also extremely common and game changing you'll see are the likes of Scrafty, Whimsicott, Heatran, Chandelure, Excadrill, Abomasnow, Amoonguss, Togekiss, Terrakion, Breloom, Conkeldurr, Ferrothorn, Sableye, Gyarados, Jellicent and the Therians. Though in the case of the Therian's they're only uncommon because of the difficulty in getting them, in practice they'd have a lot more impact if they were easier to get.

Jun 21st, 2012, 6:13:05 PM	#302
Ashenlock Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 954 Drinking more Coca-Cola than all the polar bears combined.	It looks like a lot of 4th Gen move tutor moves will be available this gen. What do you think? I'm looking forward to some of the status moves that weren't legally available to Prankster Pokemon, like Gravity with Sableye. Also, there is (apparently) a stricter rule on disconnection. __________________ 441 D/Cs and counting, baby! The Jerk Store* <- For reference only Contrary to popular belief, this is not a compendium of people who disconnect on Wi-Fi. See: Seinfeld*, "The Comeback."

Nov 30th, 2012, 3:27:21 PM	#310
Little Green Yoda Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,439 Dagobah m i rite?	Wow, this thread (and subforum) is a virtual ghost town. I just started playing random wifi doubles recently and I've been shying away from rated play due to all the stories of D/Cs. But in my limited experience in free mode, the competition has been lackluster to say the least. Does my only chance of facing strong players in random wifi lie in braving the potential D/C-fest of rated play? Or have I just been unlucky in playing really weak players in free play? __________________ 4639 6767 1236 0217 3425 8379 1636 2204 6115

Nov 30th, 2012, 3:53:15 PM	#311
Ashenlock Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 954 Drinking more Coca-Cola than all the polar bears combined.	That's exactly how it was back in BW1 (unchallenging free mode vs. disconnect-friendly rated mode) and though I had heard D/Cing had more consequences in BW2, it sounds from your account like the changes in BW2 either didn't work or never really happened. I don't know how many D/Cs you have had in free mode, but the D/C count in my sig is 100% from free mode; so it could just as well be that the D/Cing in rated mode, while bad, is only really a little worse than free mode, than that D/Cing in rated mode is far worse even than in rated mode. If you've seen a thread about a Wifi tournament and disconnections within it, that's probably the best way to parse how bad rated mode is going to be short of playing in it for a while. __________________ 441 D/Cs and counting, baby! The Jerk Store* <- For reference only Contrary to popular belief, this is not a compendium of people who disconnect on Wi-Fi. See: Seinfeld*, "The Comeback."

Mar 26th, 2013, 3:27:15 PM	#315
Forsety Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,490	In doubles you're going to see a metric shitload of rain teams with equal amounts of goodstuff and Trick Room, in actual face to face competitions most teams are sand or goodstuff, with the occasional Trick Roomer. If you're asking in terms of what kinds of pokemon you regularly see in doubles the big ones who you absolutely can not ignore because they're so common are Cresselia, Tyranitar, Hitmontop, Thundurus, Metagross, Hydreigon, Gastrodon, Garchomp, Lati@s, Politoed, Ludicolo. Those are the kings of VGC format who make up almost every team out there in some form. Out of those the absolutely most dangerous are Hitmontop & Thundurus, they make up one of the most dangerous lead pairs in the entire game. Other Pokemon who are also extremely common and game changing you'll see are the likes of Scrafty, Whimsicott, Heatran, Chandelure, Excadrill, Abomasnow, Amoonguss, Togekiss, Terrakion, Breloom, Conkeldurr, Ferrothorn, Sableye, Gyarados, Jellicent and the Therians. Though in the case of the Therian's they're only uncommon because of the difficulty in getting them, in practice they'd have a lot more impact if they were easier to get. __________________ "I don't mind betting on tough odds!"

Jun 21st, 2012, 7:59:39 PM	#303
Baz Anderson Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 271 Lincoln, England	It's a good idea in theory to prevent someone who disconnects from battling for a short while, hopefully it will work in practise. I'm glad they have introduced these move tutors to this generation too. I breed all my Pokémon properly, so it means I can finally do a few that I never bothered to do on the generation 4 games (like Gastrodon with Earth Power...)

Jun 21st, 2012, 8:34:33 PM	#304
Drifblim Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 549 Brooklyn	hmm wonder how hard getting the shards will be? Nothing really cool for me in the move tutor stuff, I have to wonder what will even get Drill Run. Dual Chop is an interesting proposal, so Dragons can choose between it and Dragon Claw. I have a feeling most aside from Dratini and Dragonair will get it. The disconnect rule sounds like it could be very good if it works like it should!

Jun 21st, 2012, 11:26:10 PM	#305
Baz Anderson Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 271 Lincoln, England	Hydreigon will be able to have both Dark Pulse and Earth Power... Dragonite will be able to have Multiscale and Superpower... Salamence with Moxie and Dragon Dance and Outrage (more interesting for singles...) maybe some of the fifth generation Pokémon will be able to learn some new moves too... (Conkeldurr with the elemental punches?) They will certainly make things a little more interesting.

Jun 21st, 2012, 11:42:11 PM	#306
Drifblim Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 549 Brooklyn	Yea, I just mean nothing too much on my personal faves AKA Trick Roomy stuff mainly. Hydreigon is a notable one i hadn't considered in awhile, it will give him pretty great coverage, but I think there will be a slot on most of his movesets that is Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Earth Power, because of sorta similar coverage. Wonder if Mienshao will get the elemental punches, I don't really think it would make him that much stronger but it would be an interesting and viable option

Jul 19th, 2012, 10:59:39 AM	#307
Baz Anderson Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 271 Lincoln, England	I came across my first Skill Link Cinccino and Prankster Liepard today. The Liepard was very annoying - Foul Play / Swagger / Thunder Wave / Substitute - obviously Foul Play and Swagger work together quite well.

Oct 24th, 2012, 11:48:28 PM	#308
Baz Anderson Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 271 Lincoln, England	So after getting fed up of the majority of simple battles in Free Mode, I dived into Rated for the first time on Black 2. First game; someone called ZACH I think from the USA with 1630. I win, he disconnects as the ratings go through... Shame it's still happening even with the new games.

Nov 15th, 2012, 1:31:24 PM	#309
Baz Anderson Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 271 Lincoln, England	Intimidate Scrafty will be released on the 21st of November, according to Serebii. I'm sure we'll see a fair few of these. I imagine Hitmontop will still be first choice though.

Nov 30th, 2012, 6:32:17 PM	#312
JRank Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,291	I can probably count on one hand the amount of times I've been DCed on in rated, if anything there have probably been more DCs in free mode! (roughly the same amount of games played in both) Overall it's much less of a problem than in BW1, and contrary to what was thought in the beginning of BW2 coughbirchcough, only the person who disconnects is kicked off for an hour.

Mar 23rd, 2013, 6:15:02 PM	#314
brainard52 Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 7	Well, I'm going to start playing again, and rather than play singles, I'm going to be playing doubles. It seems to me that it's a much more strategic form of gameplay. I could be wrong, though. For reference, though, what are we seeing to be useful at this moment?