(Gen 2) Offense in GSC - Page 2

**M Dragon** · Nov 30th, 2012, 2:20:36 PM

Body slam has the paralysis bonus, which is awesome if you have something like Marowak in your team, and paralysis can also make you beat Skarm if you are lucky, but sometimes it doesnt do as much damage as it needs.

Double-Edge is a more powerful option, but recoil is annoying, especially if you are using Belly Drum. Losing 50% of your HP when using BD + DE recoil damage is pretty suicide, but its the strongest option, even OHKOing skarm after a BD with a CH.

Return/Frustration is an intermidiate option. Its more powerful than BD, but it cant paralyze (so its the worst option vs something like Skarm, unless you are using FB/FT or LK), and a less powerfull version of DE but without recoil (something useful if you use BD).

So if you use a fire attack and/or LK, BS is usually the inferior version, unless you need the paralysis.

If you use BD, Return (with fire attack/LK) is usually the best option, and BS (with EQ or mono normal) is usually the best option.

Without BD you can use any of the 3. BS if you want para, DE is the most powerful option, and return for a more powerful option than BS with no recoil, but usually in curse wars (if you are using Curse), BS (para) and DE are the best options. Also, I have missed sometimes a 3HKO vs things like Return vs a Zapdos, which is annoying.

BTW, Bliss sucks in GSC (not a terrible option though, but there are better options)

Mr.E · Dec 1st, 2012, 5:33:41 AM

In the context of the topic, Blissey is a lot better than Miltank at enabling an offense, thanks to Light Screen and maybe Sing, if you're going to run a cleric. Miltank is just a dirty scumbag staller. Maybe it uses Curse sometimes except it kinda sucks at that, it just has nothing better to do anyway. Like Skarmory. Blissey sets up fucking plays son.

Curse Blissey, now there's a pokémon I can get behind using Double-Edge.

Jorgen · Dec 1st, 2012, 10:24:32 AM

Neither of them really does a whole lot to enable offense. If Blissey is Belling, its other support options are pretty thin, and Miltank relies on a 30% Body Slam Para for its team support outside of Bell. However, both are pretty damn dirty stallers. The difference is that Blissey gives Snorlax free switches, whereas Miltank prevents Drumlax from switching in and stalls Curselax and Mixlax. You can't do much of anything well if Lax waltzes in for absolutely free against you.

Borat · Dec 1st, 2012, 3:42:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Mr.E

Blissey sets up fucking plays son.

Blissey sets up opposing snorlax.

Mr.E · Dec 2nd, 2012, 1:24:28 PM

Blissey baits Snorlax. Sucker... Other than giving Snorlax an inordinately low health threshhold at which it can switch in to get off a Rest, Miltank is equally useless anyway (or useful with Growl) if not for Return against full health non-Curse Drumlax. And Snorlax still won that fight because he forced you to not use Body Slam instead.

Heal Bell can help enable offense too though, even if it's more infamous for RestBell team-wide stalling. It's the only way to give Marowak any longevity, since it can't otherwise survive Rest, and gets PAR off your dudes so they can outspeed all the enemy PAR mons.

Crystal_ · Dec 3rd, 2012, 6:52:20 AM

The thing is, Snorlax will almost never switch into Miltank. If it drums it makes no sense to take 20%+ and posible par in the switch-in from Body Slam and then take another hit before lax is able to attack. If lax curses doesn't make sense to switch lax into miltank either because you'll be walled to death (unless Snorlax has LK or something?). But Blissey? Blissey does like 2% to Snorlax with special attacks, who can easily switch into Blissey, and drum for free from there or do whatever the hell he wants. I mean, man, sure Blissey has some other (real) advantages over Miltank, but when it comes to dealing with Snorlax (or cursers, or physical attackers) there is no comparison.

Borat · Dec 3rd, 2012, 9:03:51 PM

I honestly don't think Mr.E has any clue what he's talking about.

Mr.E · Dec 5th, 2012, 3:35:02 AM

Another insightful, thought-provoking post by Borat IMO.

Floppy · Dec 9th, 2012, 3:36:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat shrapn3l

where da zap cannon rhydons and slowbros at

zap cannon is a horrible move brah. you should boycott it alongside its slightly-more-useful partner hypnosis.

Nov 30th, 2012, 2:20:36 PM	#26
M Dragon The north wind Moderator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,166	Body slam has the paralysis bonus, which is awesome if you have something like Marowak in your team, and paralysis can also make you beat Skarm if you are lucky, but sometimes it doesnt do as much damage as it needs. Double-Edge is a more powerful option, but recoil is annoying, especially if you are using Belly Drum. Losing 50% of your HP when using BD + DE recoil damage is pretty suicide, but its the strongest option, even OHKOing skarm after a BD with a CH. Return/Frustration is an intermidiate option. Its more powerful than BD, but it cant paralyze (so its the worst option vs something like Skarm, unless you are using FB/FT or LK), and a less powerfull version of DE but without recoil (something useful if you use BD). So if you use a fire attack and/or LK, BS is usually the inferior version, unless you need the paralysis. If you use BD, Return (with fire attack/LK) is usually the best option, and BS (with EQ or mono normal) is usually the best option. Without BD you can use any of the 3. BS if you want para, DE is the most powerful option, and return for a more powerful option than BS with no recoil, but usually in curse wars (if you are using Curse), BS (para) and DE are the best options. Also, I have missed sometimes a 3HKO vs things like Return vs a Zapdos, which is annoying. BTW, Bliss sucks in GSC (not a terrible option though, but there are better options) __________________

Dec 1st, 2012, 5:33:41 AM	#27
Mr.E im the best Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,768	In the context of the topic, Blissey is a lot better than Miltank at enabling an offense, thanks to Light Screen and maybe Sing, if you're going to run a cleric. Miltank is just a dirty scumbag staller. Maybe it uses Curse sometimes except it kinda sucks at that, it just has nothing better to do anyway. Like Skarmory. Blissey sets up fucking plays son. Curse Blissey, now there's a pokémon I can get behind using Double-Edge. __________________ FREE AND the Jump non ice beam cleric blissey

Dec 3rd, 2012, 6:52:20 AM	#31
Crystal_ Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 833 Spain	The thing is, Snorlax will almost never switch into Miltank. If it drums it makes no sense to take 20%+ and posible par in the switch-in from Body Slam and then take another hit before lax is able to attack. If lax curses doesn't make sense to switch lax into miltank either because you'll be walled to death (unless Snorlax has LK or something?). But Blissey? Blissey does like 2% to Snorlax with special attacks, who can easily switch into Blissey, and drum for free from there or do whatever the hell he wants. I mean, man, sure Blissey has some other (real) advantages over Miltank, but when it comes to dealing with Snorlax (or cursers, or physical attackers) there is no comparison. __________________ Updated RBY analyses: ~~ Alakazam / Chansey / Dragonite / Exeggutor / Slowbro / Snorlax / Starmie / Tauros ~~ Articles: ~~ The RBY UU Metagame // Sleep and Leads in RBY ~~ Warstory: ~~ RBY Little Cup ~~ ****** RBY 251 ** The RBY Metagame with all GSC Pokemon allowed!

Dec 1st, 2012, 10:24:32 AM	#28
Jorgen World's Strongest Fairy Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 749	Neither of them really does a whole lot to enable offense. If Blissey is Belling, its other support options are pretty thin, and Miltank relies on a 30% Body Slam Para for its team support outside of Bell. However, both are pretty damn dirty stallers. The difference is that Blissey gives Snorlax free switches, whereas Miltank prevents Drumlax from switching in and stalls Curselax and Mixlax. You can't do much of anything well if Lax waltzes in for absolutely free against you.

Dec 2nd, 2012, 1:24:28 PM	#30
Mr.E im the best Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,768	Blissey baits Snorlax. Sucker... Other than giving Snorlax an inordinately low health threshhold at which it can switch in to get off a Rest, Miltank is equally useless anyway (or useful with Growl) if not for Return against full health non-Curse Drumlax. And Snorlax still won that fight because he forced you to not use Body Slam instead. Heal Bell can help enable offense too though, even if it's more infamous for RestBell team-wide stalling. It's the only way to give Marowak any longevity, since it can't otherwise survive Rest, and gets PAR off your dudes so they can outspeed all the enemy PAR mons.

Dec 3rd, 2012, 9:03:51 PM	#32
Borat Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 725	I honestly don't think Mr.E has any clue what he's talking about.

Dec 5th, 2012, 3:35:02 AM	#33
Mr.E im the best Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,768	Another insightful, thought-provoking post by Borat IMO.