Most Generation PRNG Help / Information - Page 1550

mew420 · Nov 24th, 2012, 5:08:22 PM

regarding gen3 emerald abuse, i was reading through bitterlemon/shadowhunter's guide and the rapidshare link to rsedecode is no longer valid, and the megaupload link to shiny bit xor calculator is obviously dead as well.

i was wondering if any of you have a copy of these files, or have alternative download links. i did a google hunt, but was unsuccessful.

LudwiG · Nov 25th, 2012, 5:46:09 AM

I'm trying to RNG a Gastly in the old chateau (Diamond). I hit my seed, 52140289, looked at a journal page about a caught pokémon 45 times and then used sweet scent. The hit frame should be 92, but instead it was 179, which is too high and, strangely, odd. Initial frame for sweet scent in a house is 2 and the journal advances the frame by 2 each time you look at it, so there is no way it would get odd. There also is no walking NPC in the room to advance it and I didn't move my character.
What's likely the problem?

Edit: I have now also hit frame 137 on another seed, with same advances and different room in the chateau.
Edit 2: Same thing is occurring in lost tower.

Cipher Admin Lovrina · Nov 25th, 2012, 6:43:33 PM

How difficult it is to learn rng for 4th gen? Where's the guide for HG/SS?

honchkro13 · Nov 25th, 2012, 7:19:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Cipher Admin Lovrina

How difficult it is to learn rng for 4th gen? Where's the guide for HG/SS?

4th gen RNG is tougher than 5th gen, but manageable if you have some patience. There actually isn't one for HGSS onsite as far as I know. The best you can do is check out the 2nd post of this thread and watch videos by bearsfan092 for now (as far as I know, that's how I learned anyways).

Cereza · Nov 25th, 2012, 7:25:01 PM

4Th gen RNG is pretty easy! ^.^ Here's the best guide out there!

Gahagan · Nov 25th, 2012, 9:55:44 PM

Is there a step-by-step walkthrough for 3rd Gen non-Emerald RNG somewhere? I found the FireRed post, but it was a little too technical to understand for me.

musicalbento · Nov 27th, 2012, 7:42:22 PM

(wrong thread!)

Misdreavus · Nov 30th, 2012, 8:50:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Gahagan

Is there a step-by-step walkthrough for 3rd Gen non-Emerald RNG somewhere? I found the FireRed post, but it was a little too technical to understand for me.

The on-site guide for Ruby/Sapphire can be found here.

Magiphart · Dec 1st, 2012, 1:59:54 AM

Diamond. Crown Entei. I have most of it down there's only one part I need to know. If I hit a wrong seed, how do I know what seed I did hit? There's a wondering npc so I can't use poketch flips. I did 16 journal flips so I can't do the find seed from stats. What can I do to know what frame I started on? I need to know what adjustments to make.

Misdreavus · Dec 2nd, 2012, 2:48:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Magiphart

Diamond. Crown Entei. I have most of it down there's only one part I need to know. If I hit a wrong seed, how do I know what seed I did hit? There's a wondering npc so I can't use poketch flips. I did 16 journal flips so I can't do the find seed from stats. What can I do to know what frame I started on? I need to know what adjustments to make.

The NPC doesn't affect the coin flips; the coin flip results are related to the IRNG. If you don't get the right IVs on Entei, then perform the 10 flips like you normally would and look for your results in the list of adjacent seeds. Once you know what seed you hit, check Entei's IVs, and use them to find your frame.

Also, you should still be able to find your seed by catching a Pokémon and inputting its stats/IVs regardless of the 16 Journal flips.

Mo96 · Dec 2nd, 2012, 5:12:32 AM

Are the frame advancements caused by WNPCs on route 3 (Black1) fixed for every different seed? Let's say I got an abused egg and I deduced that WNPCs increased my Initial frame by 2 for that seed I had hit. Will it be 2 as well for a different breeding seed?

Cereza · Dec 2nd, 2012, 9:46:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Mo96

Are the frame advancements caused by WNPCs on route 3 (Black1) fixed for every different seed? Let's say I got an abused egg and I deduced that WNPCs increased my Initial frame by 2 for that seed I had hit. Will it be 2 as well for a different breeding seed?

No.

Magiphart · Dec 2nd, 2012, 8:20:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Misdreavus

The NPC doesn't affect the coin flips; the coin flip results are related to the IRNG. If you don't get the right IVs on Entei, then perform the 10 flips like you normally would and look for your results in the list of adjacent seeds. Once you know what seed you hit, check Entei's IVs, and use them to find your frame.

Also, you should still be able to find your seed by catching a Pokémon and inputting its stats/IVs regardless of the 16 Journal flips.

Well I input Entei's ivs and it said it couldn't find any results, but if you think the coin flip still works I'll try it.

...

Edit: I expanded range and found something maybe my calibration was way off.

Edit: This is weird. I somehow just hit an odd delay. It still says I have Emerald inserted and my delay's close to what I've been getting so it's not a mistake.

Mo96 · Dec 3rd, 2012, 1:16:07 PM

Do keypresses help maintain timer0s? I have been trying to RNG a flawless reshiram on white2 (DSi) with no results so far. Are there methods for maintaining timer0s in the first place?

Cereza · Dec 3rd, 2012, 1:46:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Mo96

Do keypresses help maintain timer0s? I have been trying to RNG a flawless reshiram on white2 (DSi) with no results so far. Are there methods for maintaining timer0s in the first place?

This thread is for 3rd and 4th gen RNG only, please keep 5th gen RNG questions in the other thread.

Misdreavus · Dec 3rd, 2012, 8:00:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Magiphart

Well I input Entei's ivs and it said it couldn't find any results, but if you think the coin flip still works I'll try it.

...

Edit: I expanded range and found something maybe my calibration was way off.

Edit: This is weird. I somehow just hit an odd delay. It still says I have Emerald inserted and my delay's close to what I've been getting so it's not a mistake.

Unlike Platinum, Diamond and Pearl can hit both even and odd delays regardless of the presence of a Pokémon GBA game. Also, I often have issues with being unable to find a match for my flips, in which case I just find the seed by catching a Pokémon.

FSLAR · Dec 3rd, 2012, 11:20:25 PM

In Pokemon Pearl, what slots do Backlot Pokemon take up?

Cereza · Dec 3rd, 2012, 11:50:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Cereza

trophy garden pokemon of the day is encounter slot 6 and the pokemon of the previous day is encounter slot 7.

Little Green Yoda · Dec 4th, 2012, 5:47:36 PM

Okay, this might be a dumb question but...

...regarding Elm calls in HGSS: if my ten calls to Elm correspond with frames 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12, picking up an egg immediately afterwards would result in IVs from frame 13, right? Not frame 12?

Cereza · Dec 4th, 2012, 5:53:23 PM

right. Unless the NPC(s) move(s) again, then you would hit even a higher frame.

Little Green Yoda · Dec 4th, 2012, 6:07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Cereza

right. Unless the NPC(s) move(s) again, then you would hit even a higher frame.

Awesome, thanks. Took me until the middle of 5th gen to learn 4th gen RNG breeding but I finally got it to work lol.

Another question: is the duration of the white screen appearance when the game loads consistent from seed to seed? Or do I need to test for it each time I try RNGing with a different seed?

Cereza · Dec 4th, 2012, 6:18:38 PM

I would say it stays the same; I have done tons of gen4 RNGs and have never needed to calibrate for anything.

Mo96 · Dec 5th, 2012, 11:56:35 AM

What does default strain pokerus mean? Some of the pokemon I upload on Pokecheck have it. Thanks in advance.

Hozu · Dec 5th, 2012, 12:56:53 PM

Hacked strain = 0.X
Legal strain = 1.X

Both of them becomes 1.0 when fully cured. Since editors always used to create 0.X it has caused 1.0 to be labelled as the default strain. It's legal but unless you have something that's infected but not cured there's no way to tell if it was 0.X or 1.X.

mtsilverchampion · Dec 5th, 2012, 1:38:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat mew420

regarding gen3 emerald abuse, i was reading through bitterlemon/shadowhunter's guide and the rapidshare link to rsedecode is no longer valid, and the megaupload link to shiny bit xor calculator is obviously dead as well.

i was wondering if any of you have a copy of these files, or have alternative download links. i did a google hunt, but was unsuccessful.

You do not need RSEDecode, you can use these scripts in VBA-rr to do the same job.

However, I am asking ANYONE who has it to reupload the OLD PokeRNG for Emerald, us Gen 3 RNG's would like it and I don't have a copy of it (RNG Reporter is no good for FR/LG RNG'ing). I have already PM'ed Wichu, but have not gotten a response.

Nov 24th, 2012, 5:08:22 PM	#38726
mew420 Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 155 au	regarding gen3 emerald abuse, i was reading through bitterlemon/shadowhunter's guide and the rapidshare link to rsedecode is no longer valid, and the megaupload link to shiny bit xor calculator is obviously dead as well. i was wondering if any of you have a copy of these files, or have alternative download links. i did a google hunt, but was unsuccessful. __________________ My Trade Thread Black FC: 0777 2539 7757 Platinum Scramble

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LudwiG Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 129	I'm trying to RNG a Gastly in the old chateau (Diamond). I hit my seed, 52140289, looked at a journal page about a caught pokémon 45 times and then used sweet scent. The hit frame should be 92, but instead it was 179, which is too high and, strangely, odd. Initial frame for sweet scent in a house is 2 and the journal advances the frame by 2 each time you look at it, so there is no way it would get odd. There also is no walking NPC in the room to advance it and I didn't move my character. What's likely the problem? Edit: I have now also hit frame 137 on another seed, with same advances and different room in the chateau. Edit 2: Same thing is occurring in lost tower. Last edited by LudwiG; Nov 25th, 2012 at 6:26:48 AM.

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Magiphart Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 124 Unitied States of America, Oregon	Diamond. Crown Entei. I have most of it down there's only one part I need to know. If I hit a wrong seed, how do I know what seed I did hit? There's a wondering npc so I can't use poketch flips. I did 16 journal flips so I can't do the find seed from stats. What can I do to know what frame I started on? I need to know what adjustments to make. __________________ "Fight with this Pokémon this way... Use this item that way... Are you letting others decide that for you? Well whatever, but what's important is figuring out what you want to do!" ~Roxie on Smogon.

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Cereza Tastes Like Candy Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,142 Long Island	4Th gen RNG is pretty easy! ^.^ Here's the best guide out there!

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Gahagan Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 71	Is there a step-by-step walkthrough for 3rd Gen non-Emerald RNG somewhere? I found the FireRed post, but it was a little too technical to understand for me.

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Mo96 Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 102	Are the frame advancements caused by WNPCs on route 3 (Black1) fixed for every different seed? Let's say I got an abused egg and I deduced that WNPCs increased my Initial frame by 2 for that seed I had hit. Will it be 2 as well for a different breeding seed?

Dec 3rd, 2012, 1:16:07 PM	#38739
Mo96 Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 102	Do keypresses help maintain timer0s? I have been trying to RNG a flawless reshiram on white2 (DSi) with no results so far. Are there methods for maintaining timer0s in the first place?

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Little Green Yoda Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,439 Dagobah m i rite?	Okay, this might be a dumb question but... ...regarding Elm calls in HGSS: if my ten calls to Elm correspond with frames 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12, picking up an egg immediately afterwards would result in IVs from frame 13, right? Not frame 12? __________________ 4639 6767 1236 0217 3425 8379 1636 2204 6115

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Cereza Tastes Like Candy Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,142 Long Island	right. Unless the NPC(s) move(s) again, then you would hit even a higher frame.

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Cereza Tastes Like Candy Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,142 Long Island	I would say it stays the same; I have done tons of gen4 RNGs and have never needed to calibrate for anything.

Dec 5th, 2012, 11:56:35 AM	#38748
Mo96 Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 102	What does default strain pokerus mean? Some of the pokemon I upload on Pokecheck have it. Thanks in advance.

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Hozu RNGenius Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,179 Orre	Hacked strain = 0.X Legal strain = 1.X Both of them becomes 1.0 when fully cured. Since editors always used to create 0.X it has caused 1.0 to be labelled as the default strain. It's legal but unless you have something that's infected but not cured there's no way to tell if it was 0.X or 1.X. __________________ McGillicuddy's Bazaar - Hidden Grotto encounter RNG guide for RNG reporter - Emerald Egg PID RNG guide - Misc 3rd gen info - incl. Emerald frontier/Orre Colosseum, frame offsets - Free events If I CMT in your thread please respond in mine. If I really wanted a Pokémon that is more common than herpes, I'd get it myself from Pokécheck.