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The Book of Eruptions
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Hello All I am Usatoday and I have decided to create a sun team that focused around the key idea of setting up sun and then sweeping with an specs eruption heatran however since the only nature allowed is quiet I created a semi Trick Sun team which has surprisingly worked out quite well. So lets get into the team shall we? Team Preview       Team Building Process
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In Depth Look  Vesuvius (Heatran) @ Choice Specs Trait: Flash Fire Shiny: Yes EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SAtk Quiet Nature IVs: 30 Atk / 30 Def / 0 Spd - Fire Blast - Earth Power - Hidden Power [Ice] - Eruption Quote:
 Squidisish (Tentacruel) @ Black Sludge Trait: Rain Dish EVs: 204 HP / 60 SAtk / 224 SDef / 20 Spd Timid Nature IVs: 30 Atk / 30 SAtk / 30 Spd - Rapid Spin - Scald - Sludge Bomb - Protect Quote:
 Pumba (Landorus-Therian) (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Intimidate EVs: 200 HP / 64 Atk / 244 Def Impish Nature - Earthquake - U-turn - Stone Edge - Stealth Rock Quote:
 Enchantress (Ninetales) @ Leftovers Trait: Drought Shiny: Yes EVs: 200 HP / 212 SDef / 96 Spd Timid Nature - Pain Split - Flamethrower - Will-O-Wisp - Energy Ball Quote:
 Fluffy (Shiftry) @ Life Orb Trait: Chlorophyll EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SAtk / 252 Spd Lonely Nature - Sucker Punch - Nature Power - Leaf Storm - Low Kick Quote:
 The Librarian (Reuniclus) @ Life Orb Trait: Magic Guard Shiny: Yes EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 HP / 4 SDef Quiet Nature - Trick Room - Psychic - Focus Blast - Hidden Power [Fire] Quote:
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Go into ninetales and roast it with flamethrower
Break its sash at some point in the match most likely with slowking and then go into shiftry or donphan to kill it with priority.
Go into to xatu force it out with psyshock or damage it with rocky helmet and u turn out into shiftry to low kick it to death.
Xatu stops it cold
Heatran and ninetales torch it with their stab fire moves.
Same proccess as blissey
Hopefully have it come in on Xatu and go into to slowking or shiftry to fire blast it or leaf storm it.
Xatu stops it cold again.
Xatu ware it down with pyshock and U Turns.
Yet again xatu stops it cold.
Switch into xatu on the Dragon dance tank a hit to break its multiscale with rocky helmet go into donphan to ohko it.
Play carefully with ninetales and heatran make sure the donphan and xatu are in on it to stop it cold.
Shiftry Heatran and Xatu all destroy it.
Xatu will stop it cold and on the second time go into donphan predicting the volt switch.
Huge threat go into to donphan as the primary check and if Donphan goes down switch out automatically into slowking.
Xatu and Shiftry stop it cold it can't touch either of them unless its a specs set.
Go directly out into ninetales if sub disable its really annoying to get rid of.
Go into slowking freeze it with an ice beam and donphan is a back up check to it.
A huge threat to my team considering I have nothing besides maybe xatu for it so Im wondering what your thoughts on Hidden power electric for slowking are?
Donphan and Xatu together can check it with the correct predictions.
Leaf storm it with shiftry or ice beam it with slowking.
A surprisingly large threat if its choiced its easier to deal with my initial switch in is slowking but may be ninetales if I think he will predict that.
Slowking does a pretty good job of dealing with infernape and donphan and xatu can work well as back up checks.
Shiftry makes it wish it wasn't born.
Donphan is a great switch in for this thing as it can't touch donphan with just about any move with the sun up.
Go into donphan and block volt switch the first time then the second time go into ninetales to bait the hidden power grass or ice.
Slowking and Xatu can check it if its not in rain.
Heatran smashes it into the ground with a stab fire blast.
Go into xatu predicting earth power then double switch into slowking.
Slowking can sponge any hit from it allowing me to double switch into shiftry to sucker punch it.
Same as latias.
Keep donphan at full health so I can bring it in on the predicted swords dance and survive with sturdy.
Not a threat destroyed by heatran ninetales donphan and shiftry.
Annoying but handled well by slowking.
Slowking frys it with a fire blast.
Lead with tales to scout out whether its scarfed or not and then switch out to slowking and toxic it.
Stopped cold by shiftry however if played right very annoying.
Same idea as dragonite and haxorus.
Switch to xatu if predicting bullet punch or go to donphan predicting U Turn.
Troll it with xatu and donphan and then go into slowking for the surprise fire blast.
Go into slowking and switch around to toxic stall it.
Close combat go into slowking to scout the set stone edge go into donphan.
Weaken it with stealth rock to the point where ice shard will kill it.
Switch to slowking and set up a trick room on its U Turn.
Switch to ninetales to get the sun up and then out to Xatu.
Shiftry ohkos it with low kick.
Toxic it and stall it out to the point where leaf storm will kill it.
Go instantly out to heatran and fire off a sun boosted spec eruption on the second quiver dance and do massive damage.
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Dec 2nd, 2012, 12:13:28 PM
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Hi Usatoday,
This team is crazy checked by Water types that use that water / ice move set which is easily going to sweep this team. For this reason, I recommend switching your Donphan to SubSalac Keldeo. You already have Xatu as entry hazard support so he will take rapid spin issues away. Keldeo also checks Blissey and Chansey, a big threat to your team. This set is only walled by Jellicent and Lati@s but those are checked by the rest of your team. Keldeo has two great STABs as well. Fighting Smashes through steels and ground types are smoked. Calm Mind lets you survive some unexpected T-Bolts. Of course, 4/6 of your team is weak to electric but Ninetales is Dedicated specially, and shiftry resists it. Here is the set.  Keldeo-R @ Salac Berry Trait: Justified EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe Trait: Jolly - Hydro Pump - Secret Sword - Calm Mind - Substitute Next, since this team is built around Eruption Heatran, I would use the Dual Screen set on Xatu to maximize your bulk to let you set up more easily on Keldeo and get stronger Eruptions. Change Rocky Helmet to Light Clay and sacrifice PsyShock and Roost for Dual Screens (Light Screen + Reflect). Your last threat is Dragon-Types and the Therians. Don't say Ice Shard takes care of them and there is no need to switch it for Keldeo because Ice Shard is super weak because 80 BP with super-effectiveness is crappy. I would sacrifice your Low Kick on Shiftry for Hidden Power [Ice]. You really need a good check and why the heck are you using Low Kick in the first place? Well, doesn't matter because Keldeo has a fighting-type move which shows how much your team will appreciate him. Well, thats all! This is a great TR team but needs more support. I'll leave the rest to the other raters!
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Dec 2nd, 2012, 10:11:45 PM
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Hey!
Solid sun team; I can tell you've got some experience under your belt. I think your team is pretty cool, especially the use of Specs Heatran. It's an underrated threat, but no one ever wants to try it due to the prevalence of Rain. Since your team is pretty unique, I can't think of any profound changes. I do, however, think you could make more of Slowking's slot. My suggestion for you would be to use LO TR Reuniclus. It's got the same typing, but it basically does the job Slowking is currently doing and does it a lot better. It will also give you a great second Trick Room Sweeper. It's a natural lure for stuff like Scizor, which you can take advantage of and get Heatran in. Many people rely on Tyranitar to beat Reuniclus, and you can take advantage of that in a big way as a Sun based team. Before I go, I'll throw out Head Smash instead of Ice Shard. I think Ice Shard is pretty weak and generally useless. Head Smash is a cool option to nail Gengar and other Flying types that you would use Ice Shard on anyway. If you think Ice Shard is really important, I'd say keep it, but I find Head Smash pretty useful at times. If Donphan is at full health, it can also check Gyarados which you mentioned gave you a hard time. Good luck!
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Dec 5th, 2012, 6:36:17 PM
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Team just went through a revamp what are your opinions now? my only problem with it is no secondary trick room user
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Dec 5th, 2012, 7:48:55 PM
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Hey there Usatoday!
This team is very neat; I tried the concept of Trick Room Sun awhile ago and it worked brilliantly. It's actually very difficult to suggest anything since I don't see any major holes, but I see just a few small critiques. On Tentacruel, if you use 16 SAtk EVs + Sludge Wave, you'll always OHKO 4 HP Breloom. Yeah, the chances to poison are somewhat lower, but relying on a 30% chance for something shouldn't be a goal anyway. This leaves you with a few extra EVs. The most efficient spread after this becomes as follows: 252 HP / 16 SAtk / 224 SDef / 16 Spd. The investment in speed gives you a jump in points to outspeed Breloom speed creepers such as Gliscor or Celebi. I decided on suggesting full fledged max HP simply because Tentacruel has a valuable fighting resist (which of course is normally seen physically) which can come into play against Breloom; who can still do a number with a +2 Mach Punch (252 +2 Atk Fighting Gem Technician Breloom (+Atk) Mach Punch vs 204 HP/0 Def Tentacruel: 65.06% - 76.7% (2 hits to KO)). The rest of the EVs were dumped into SDef.
Final Tentacruel
Speaking of Breloom, this little mushroom really worries me in terms of your team's ability to handle it. Tentacruel of course outspeeds and OHKOs, but if it gets weakened from the excruciatingly powerful moves seen on many rain teams (from Specs Hydro Pumps to Life Orb Hurricanes), Breloom will be able to take it down sooner or later. All it needs is about 40% of prior damage and a Swords Dance boost which it can get from a sleeping Reuniclus or Landorus-T. Landorus-T can't exactly touch Breloom outside of U-turn, which is a 70 base power non-STAB move coming off of a hardly boosted attack stat. Once your opponent sees Heatran's Eruption, they'll know it's a Quiet nature and can put it to sleep to get a boost as well. I feel like it would be highly beneficial for you to have a second sure-fire resist that can also take it out with a single move. And going by the flow of your team... Trick Room Victini definitely fills this role. Even though Heatran's move is your team's namesake, it really becomes dead weight at times especially when it's not under Trick Room. And since you only have 1 Trick Roomer that has no recovery, this can be quite common. Plus, rain teams are just way too common for Heatran to work as effectively as it would want. Eruption in sun is powerful, yes, but when seemingly half your opponents have a fire resist that also brings in rain, it can be a downer at times. Victini, on the other hand, is able to set up Trick Room all by itself, hit Water types extremely hard with the newly released Bolt Strike, AND resist Fighting, all of which Heatran can only dream of doing. Here's the set:
Trick Room Victini
In case it isn't obvious, V-create lowers your speed so you outspeed(outslow?) a ton of Pokemon under Trick Room. The last slot is flexible, but I feel like Brick Break would be most beneficial to your team. I experimented with both, and while Sunny Day is nice to play around Tyranitar and Politoed, Brick Break allows you to hit both Heatran and Tyranitar, making it easier for the rest of your team to do its job. Once you sleep fodder something on your team, Breloom will be a non-issue with Victini's great bulk + HP investment. Also, Charcoal hides your item early game and powers up V-create without sacrificing HP. So try it out! Trick Room Victini has certainly been the reason I won a few games of my own. Good luck! Summary of Changes
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Hey Usatoday, I like this little Sun Trick Room team you have. I'm only going to make one suggestion for your team.
I feel that you need a better abuser of Chlorophyll. Now the reason why I say this is because, Shiftry is very vulnerable to Mach Punch from Conkeldurr and the ever so popular Swords dance breloom that they will stop your sweep. Plus your team is alreay weak to STAB fighting types like those two threats. Now you have Sucker Punch as proirty but neither of those threats I mention are going to be taking serious damage. I suggest you switch out Shiftry for Growth Victreebel. This set I recommend
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Here are some calucations of Mixed Growth After one Growth from Victreebel
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Also i should mention that you outspeed Choice Scarf Terrakion, who are common on opposing Sun teams. Terrakion is a major threat to sun teams, so you need have a Pokemon tocheck this threat. Plus even if you manage to get a +1 from growth and your opponent changes the weather on you, Victreebel can KO all versions of Politoed, no questions ask. I hoped I helped and good luck with your team.
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Does Victini learn Morning Sun? (O.o)
I've cross checked most databases with a Pokemon's available moves and haven't found where it learns Morning Sun.
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Yeah, my bad. I edited my post.
For some reason, I randomly decided out of nowhere that it learned Morning Sun. I'm not sure what was going on in my head. I was thinking about Espeon and somehow crossed it over, lol. Anyway, the edited posts depicts reasons why both Brick Break and Sunny Day are useful. In summary, Brick Break hits TTar and Heatran which are huge enemies to Sun teams, while Sunny Day allows you to play around Toed and TTar much more easily. If you lose the weather war, you can have manual sun to play around with as well.
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