Rotom-F (WIP)

cim · Dec 9th, 2012, 10:19:34 PM

Not 100% done yet but I thought I would get the sets down at least.

[Overview]

Hail gives Rotom-F a new lease on life since it must use Blizzard.
Electric-Ice typing has ridiculous offensive coverage, but very few resistances to come in on.
86 Speed makes it a great Choice Scarfer, especially since its immune to Scarf Flygon Earthquake.
A SubSplit set works wonders in Hail, stalling out attackers with residual damage.

[SET]
name: Choice Scarf
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Volt Switch
move 4: Trick
item: Choice Scarf
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

STAB attacks cover everything except Lanturn, Shedinja, Rotom-F, and Rotom-H for neutral damage.
Blizzard is powerful enough to 2HKO Swampert after SR and Hail damage.
Thunderbolt hits Water and Steel types trying to sponge Blizzard, especially Empoleon.
Volt Switch lets Rotom-F maintain momentum against threats it can't do much to.
Trick will cripple walls such as Snorlax and Umbreon that get in the way of a Rotom-F sweep.

[Additional Comments]

more coming later

[SET]
name: Choice Specs
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Thunderbolt
move 3: Volt Switch
move 4: Trick
item: Choice Specs
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

[Additional Comments]

[SET]
name: SubSplit
move 1: Blizzard
move 2: Discharge / Thunderbolt
move 3: Substitute
move 4: Pain Spilt
item: Leftovers
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]

[Additional Comments]

[Other Options]

Charge Beam is actually pretty nifty
Shadow Ball can hit some Psychics for SE but it actually does less damage to them than Blizzard.
Will-o-wisp is really handy to Burn Fighting-type attackers

[Counters]

Snorlax
Strong bulky Fire types (Arcanine, Victini)
Raikou can CM on some sets
Faster Fighting-types, especially Cobalion
Lanturn
Swampert can come in on an Electric move but is 2HKOed by Blizzard

***kokoloko**** · Dec 9th, 2012, 10:38:17 PM

As a rule of thumb, never merge Choice sets. Scarf and Specs/Band sets never play the same, so they should get separate analyses.

Ace Emerald · Dec 11th, 2012, 11:28:37 PM

I'm a big fan of LO on SubSplit. With Pain Split, the passive damage is negated well, and the power is really nice. It plays like a faster but weaker SubSplit Chandelure. I honestly thought LO was standard on all SubSplits, lefties might be worth a slash but I think LO should be first.

cim · Dec 12th, 2012, 2:09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Ace Emerald

I'm a big fan of LO on SubSplit. With Pain Split, the passive damage is negated well, and the power is really nice. It plays like a faster but weaker SubSplit Chandelure. I honestly thought LO was standard on all SubSplits, lefties might be worth a slash but I think LO should be first.

I'll make it the primary slash. I don't have much experience with SubSplitters, I was just testing it and using Leftovers to give me more chances at full paralysis with Discharge.

Ernesto · Dec 12th, 2012, 2:46:26 PM

If you're gonna put Life Orb over Leftovers on the SubSplit set (which I'd think is the best thing to do, since they tend to work well together), I'd highly suggest making Thunderbolt the primary slash over Discharge. The higher paralysis chance isn't usually worth the loss in power, similarly to Scald v. Surf on offensive Water-types (and Thunderbolt actually has a chance of paralysis, unlike Surf). That is, of course, for analyses at least. And I know it just goes as a matter of personal preference, but imo SubSplit should be the first set, followed by the Choice sets (I don't know the exact order). I've been trying ouy SubSplit @ LO extensively , and it's pretty amazing, usually allowing me to beat Snorlax one on one with Rocks and one layer of T-Spikes.

cim · Dec 13th, 2012, 4:30:39 PM

I should finish this today, I'll be making the following changes in addition to doing the rest of the skeleton

Set order will be Scarf, Split, Specs. Scarf is first since Rotom-F is THE revenge killer in Hail - it outruns Heracross and has Levitate for Flygon which is huge. Other, faster offensive Ice types are either not really used with Hail (Weavile) or have much more important things to do (Froslass). SubSplit is good, and while Specs is fine there are other Pokemon that can do what it does so it's secondary to the other two.

Split will be primarily LO / Thunderbolt with Leftovers / Discharge as an option for a more stally strategy.

Ernesto · Dec 13th, 2012, 4:50:30 PM

While you're right that the electric appliances are at an awesome Speed tier for UU, and it's an awesome revenge killer under Hail, I wouldn't mention revenging Heracross as a useful trait on it, it's way too situational:
252 SpA Rotom-F Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 177-208 (58.8 - 69.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and weather
In return, Heracross only needs SR (and not being locked into Earthquake / Aerial Ace)
252 Atk Heracross Megahorn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Rotom-F: 180-213 (74.68 - 88.38%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

So essentially, Rotom-F needs Heracross to have switched into SR twice and have taken two rounds of Hail damage to be OHKOed or have been hit, which doesn't usually happen if Hera's played well. In return, Heracross beats it with its 3 standard moves, assuming they hit.

That said, any Scarf Rotom is awesome, so I won't question it being the first set, lol

EDIT: Never mind, it revenges Hera if 'ts locked into Close Combat. It's still a little situational—since Hera at -1,-1 will probably switch out for fear of being killed, unless something else can take advantage of the switch—but rather effective either way. Choice Scarf as number one set is perfectly fina

Dec 9th, 2012, 10:19:34 PM	#1
cim dreams of ladybugs crushed forever Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,370 five years here and i can't change my custom title :(	Rotom-F (WIP) Not 100% done yet but I thought I would get the sets down at least. [Overview] Hail gives Rotom-F a new lease on life since it must use Blizzard. Electric-Ice typing has ridiculous offensive coverage, but very few resistances to come in on. 86 Speed makes it a great Choice Scarfer, especially since its immune to Scarf Flygon Earthquake. A SubSplit set works wonders in Hail, stalling out attackers with residual damage. [SET] name: Choice Scarf move 1: Blizzard move 2: Thunderbolt move 3: Volt Switch move 4: Trick item: Choice Scarf nature: Timid evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] STAB attacks cover everything except Lanturn, Shedinja, Rotom-F, and Rotom-H for neutral damage. Blizzard is powerful enough to 2HKO Swampert after SR and Hail damage. Thunderbolt hits Water and Steel types trying to sponge Blizzard, especially Empoleon. Volt Switch lets Rotom-F maintain momentum against threats it can't do much to. Trick will cripple walls such as Snorlax and Umbreon that get in the way of a Rotom-F sweep. [Additional Comments] more coming later [SET] name: Choice Specs move 1: Blizzard move 2: Thunderbolt move 3: Volt Switch move 4: Trick item: Choice Specs nature: Timid evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] [Additional Comments] [SET] name: SubSplit move 1: Blizzard move 2: Discharge / Thunderbolt move 3: Substitute move 4: Pain Spilt item: Leftovers nature: Timid evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe [SET COMMENTS] [Additional Comments] [Other Options] Charge Beam is actually pretty nifty Shadow Ball can hit some Psychics for SE but it actually does less damage to them than Blizzard. Will-o-wisp is really handy to Burn Fighting-type attackers [Counters] Snorlax Strong bulky Fire types (Arcanine, Victini) Raikou can CM on some sets Faster Fighting-types, especially Cobalion Lanturn Swampert can come in on an Electric move but is 2HKOed by Blizzard __________________ i was nobody we're all a little bit strange, don't worry about it Last edited by cim; Dec 9th, 2012 at 10:40:50 PM.

Dec 9th, 2012, 10:38:17 PM	#2
*kokoloko i wanna dedicate this song to all the lettuce out there Super Moderator** Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,389	As a rule of thumb, never merge Choice sets. Scarf and Specs/Band sets never play the same, so they should get separate analyses. __________________

Dec 11th, 2012, 11:28:37 PM	#3
Ace Emerald Taking care of business Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,245 Lost in thought Mentor	I'm a big fan of LO on SubSplit. With Pain Split, the passive damage is negated well, and the power is really nice. It plays like a faster but weaker SubSplit Chandelure. I honestly thought LO was standard on all SubSplits, lefties might be worth a slash but I think LO should be first. __________________ \|UU Hub\|Work\|

Dec 13th, 2012, 4:30:39 PM	#6
cim dreams of ladybugs crushed forever Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,370 five years here and i can't change my custom title :(	I should finish this today, I'll be making the following changes in addition to doing the rest of the skeleton Set order will be Scarf, Split, Specs. Scarf is first since Rotom-F is THE revenge killer in Hail - it outruns Heracross and has Levitate for Flygon which is huge. Other, faster offensive Ice types are either not really used with Hail (Weavile) or have much more important things to do (Froslass). SubSplit is good, and while Specs is fine there are other Pokemon that can do what it does so it's secondary to the other two. Split will be primarily LO / Thunderbolt with Leftovers / Discharge as an option for a more stally strategy. __________________ i was nobody we're all a little bit strange, don't worry about it

Dec 13th, 2012, 4:50:30 PM	#7
Ernesto Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 254 Santa Fe, Argentina	While you're right that the electric appliances are at an awesome Speed tier for UU, and it's an awesome revenge killer under Hail, I wouldn't mention revenging Heracross as a useful trait on it, it's way too situational: 252 SpA Rotom-F Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 177-208 (58.8 - 69.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock and weather In return, Heracross only needs SR (and not being locked into Earthquake / Aerial Ace) 252 Atk Heracross Megahorn vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Rotom-F: 180-213 (74.68 - 88.38%) -- 93.75% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock So essentially, Rotom-F needs Heracross to have switched into SR twice and have taken two rounds of Hail damage to be OHKOed or have been hit, which doesn't usually happen if Hera's played well. In return, Heracross beats it with its 3 standard moves, assuming they hit. That said, any Scarf Rotom is awesome, so I won't question it being the first set, lol EDIT: Never mind, it revenges Hera if 'ts locked into Close Combat. It's still a little situational—since Hera at -1,-1 will probably switch out for fear of being killed, unless something else can take advantage of the switch—but rather effective either way. Choice Scarf as number one set is perfectly fina Last edited by Ernesto; Dec 13th, 2012 at 8:39:26 PM.

Dec 12th, 2012, 2:46:26 PM	#5
Ernesto Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 254 Santa Fe, Argentina	If you're gonna put Life Orb over Leftovers on the SubSplit set (which I'd think is the best thing to do, since they tend to work well together), I'd highly suggest making Thunderbolt the primary slash over Discharge. The higher paralysis chance isn't usually worth the loss in power, similarly to Scald v. Surf on offensive Water-types (and Thunderbolt actually has a chance of paralysis, unlike Surf). That is, of course, for analyses at least. And I know it just goes as a matter of personal preference, but imo SubSplit should be the first set, followed by the Choice sets (I don't know the exact order). I've been trying ouy SubSplit @ LO extensively , and it's pretty amazing, usually allowing me to beat Snorlax one on one with Rocks and one layer of T-Spikes.