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TheOnyx · Nov 13th, 2012, 4:25:43 PM

Natural Cure Archeops is actually really good

The Dark Hero · Nov 15th, 2012, 7:47:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat The_Eevee_General

New secondary abilities are up! Some big threats have developed...

Volcarona gets Solar Power.
Shadow Tag Terrakion.
Speed Boost Keldeo.
Contrary Palkia.

Well... Shit. As if QD wasn't enough, it gets even MORE power.

Relados · Nov 21st, 2012, 1:14:03 PM

Hey, I know you mentioned that the clauses need to be looked into, so I have to ask: Are Sand Veil and Snow Cloak going to be banned like they were in the regular tiers, or are they still fair game?

The_Eevee_General · Nov 23rd, 2012, 3:18:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Relados

Hey, I know you mentioned that the clauses need to be looked into, so I have to ask: Are Sand Veil and Snow Cloak going to be banned like they were in the regular tiers, or are they still fair game?

Good question. Since there aren't really any strong Sand or Hail starters in this meta I don't think those abilities will be as coveted, unless Sand Rush becomes popular on something like say Torterra, Durant, or Scrafty.

I think we'll play that by ear.

thesynchrohero · Dec 6th, 2012, 3:00:34 PM

Please tell me not putting Magnet Pull Emboar in the game changers section was a mistake, I mean both of Emboar's STAB's hit steel super effectively.

ClubbingSealCub · Dec 6th, 2012, 3:17:22 PM

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Terrakion -Shadow Tag

note to self: never use CB Ttar / Scizor pursuit while playing in this tier.

PureQuestion · Dec 9th, 2012, 1:38:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat ClubbingSealCub

note to self: never use CB Ttar / Scizor pursuit while playing in this tier.

Well, if it has Shadow Tag, it doesn't have Justified. I mean, it's still gonna ruin you, but you won't be boosting it.

Mdevil · Dec 10th, 2012, 1:29:10 AM

Pure Power/Eviolite Rufflet seems... entertaining. Not brilliant, but better than Braviary.

The_Eevee_General · Dec 14th, 2012, 12:02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat thesynchrohero

Please tell me not putting Magnet Pull Emboar in the game changers section was a mistake, I mean both of Emboar's STAB's hit steel super effectively.

He makes a nice check to No Guard Bronzong after it sleeps something with Hypnosis.

bobbyvaporeon · Feb 22nd, 2013, 12:37:12 AM

Can I have a link to the program you used to make this
i want to try my own

The_Eevee_General · Feb 27th, 2013, 2:23:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat bobbyvaporeon

Can I have a link to the program you used to make this
i want to try my own

To make this I just used the randbetween function in Excel. I assigned a number to each ability and then generated 2 columns of random numbers for each Pokemon. Then I replaced each number with the corresponding ability. Voila!

Adams · Feb 27th, 2013, 2:43:31 AM

I want to play this meta but idk how

The_Eevee_General · Feb 27th, 2013, 3:09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Adams

I want to play this meta but idk how

Well for now it can really only be played on Hackmons, but we have to count on the honor system and assume players will only use legit moves and the abilities ascribed to each Pokemon in this thread.

**Joim** · Feb 27th, 2013, 4:17:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat The_Eevee_General

Well for now it can really only be played on Hackmons, but we have to count on the honor system and assume players will only use legit moves and the abilities ascribed to each Pokemon in this thread.

This OM is easily feasible with a PS mod, only it's really tedious to add the abilities for all the mons, it's a big list :p If you volunteer to edit the pokedex.js I can host it for you.

Treecko · Feb 27th, 2013, 9:50:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Joim

This OM is easily feasible with a PS mod, only it's really tedious to add the abilities for all the mons, it's a big list :p If you volunteer to edit the pokedex.js I can host it for you.

Good guy Joim. :)
But no, really. If this were to happen, I would be incredibly interested in playing!

The_Eevee_General · Feb 27th, 2013, 4:29:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Joim

This OM is easily feasible with a PS mod, only it's really tedious to add the abilities for all the mons, it's a big list :p If you volunteer to edit the pokedex.js I can host it for you.

Wow. That's really nice! I would love to dex edit, but I'm not familiar with it, so if you could point me in the right direction I can work on it tomorrow when I'm off work. And I don't mind tedious work especially to get something like this going!

It's funny because I was just asking Zarel what it would take to get this modded.

The_Eevee_General · Mar 1st, 2013, 2:33:52 AM

Sorry to double post...

BUT

The mod is up and running thanks to Joim! So please check it out.
http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/~~joimslab/lobby

AND

Wonder Guard Elekid is banned!! :'(
So you can all breathe a sigh of relief. Other Wonder Guarders are usable for now...

Sarkynin · Mar 1st, 2013, 10:02:47 AM

Why is everyone saying that scarf shadow tag Terrakion is the best thing ever? scarf Kyurem-B is way more powerful and has shadow tag too, he only lacks in speed to take on scarf Palkia or +1 Keldeo.

Also, adaptability sucker punch from Cacturne hurts.

Drizzle Dragonite with Max HP/Max SpA with hurricane/thunder/surf/roost is nice too, it can take hits and dish out powerful ones.

NARFNra · Mar 7th, 2013, 8:55:43 PM

Some minor things that might be interesting.

* Choice Band Ninjask looks vaguely usable now because Magic Guard prevents SR from ruining his day ever again as he U-Turns in at random. Sadly, his BP strategy is pretty much impossible due to the lack of Speed Boost.

* Someone mentioned Prankster Yanmega earlier; I honestly think Druddigon has a slightly more interesting movepool and typing at present. Druddigon has slightly better bulk and typing and can abuse Glare to paralyze everything(though inaccurate), Taunt for the reasons everyone uses Taunt, Torment(as it will probably only run into one move that hits it SE) and Toxic occasionally. You could use the weather moves, but with all the permaweather it's not worth bothering with unless you want to make use of Swift Swim. Oh, and it can Roar, but prankster Roar is only a -5 priority. Unfortunately, his only healing is Rest, and he doesn't even get Sleep Talk. His other choices are... Swagger, Substitute, and Hone Claws? Priority Swagger-Substitute-Torment sounds quite irritating, but realistically it's just going to get him killed.

* With Poison Heal, Regice suddenly has doubled recovery compared to its previous leftovers boost. It's other ability, Drought, is kinda suicide for an Ice type, but at least it's very bulky and can deal with non-fire attacks with ease.

* Speed Boost... Crawdaunt enjoys having what is essentially Shift Gear for its Dragon Dance (+1 attack from DD and +2 speed from DD + speed boost) and Sawsbuck outspeeds a LOT after a boost, allowing it to band, but we all know Keldeo will be the real star of the show.

* Illusion Ferrothorn can set up hazards completely unexpectedly

* Magic Bounce Jumpluff looks to be really obnoxious. The set runs like it does in NU, leap in on something, Encore the move, and proceed to set up for SD/Acrobatics/Seed Bomb (though steels will block you six ways from sunday). Magic Bounce just means it can set up on hazards users with utter impunity, in particular Illusion Ferrothorn(Who can't Power Whip it even if it tried to attack on the switch).

* Weather teams... a full listing of weather abilities (not inducers, those are in the first post):

Cloud Nine:

...

Chlorophyll:

...

Dry Skin: (not really sure what to make of these)

...

Flower Gift: Hang on, isn't this ability hard coded only to work for Cherrim?
Regardless...

...

Harvest:

...

Hydration:

...

Looks like nothing's really going to be making use of Hydration. Kyurem's the only one who will really have it, and that's because Anger Point is useless.

Ice Body:

...

Overcoat:

...

Rain Dish:

...

I honestly have no idea how Rain Dish is going to work. Looking at the list, Empoleon seems best set to use it.

Sand Force:

...

Sand Rush:

...

Sand Veil (not sure if banned):

...

Snow Cloak:

...

Solar Power:

...

Sun looks really scary.

Swift Swim:

...

I was expecting this to be pretty terrifying, but it's honestly rather tame. Panpour and Shellos are the only Water types with the ability and they're very weak, while the most powerful abusers are all unable to make use of it. Gengar is already fast (though heavy metal is very useless) and isn't going to be packing HP Water any time soon, Typhlosion's STAB is rendered useless by the weather, and Hippowdon isn't going to be making very good use of the speed anyway, especially in rain.

I have this feeling that we're going to be seeing a LOT of sun...

Snaquaza · Apr 28th, 2013, 5:47:56 PM

sorry if this is asked already but what will Dragonite induce, Drizzle or Sand Stream

**Arcticblast** · Apr 28th, 2013, 7:09:10 PM

That depends on what ability you give it. If you give it Sand Stream it will start a sandstorm, while if you give it Drizzle it will start rain.

The_Eevee_General · Apr 29th, 2013, 12:44:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat NARFNra

Some minor things that might be interesting.

* Choice Band Ninjask looks vaguely usable now because Magic Guard prevents SR from ruining his day ever again as he U-Turns in at random. Sadly, his BP strategy is pretty much impossible due to the lack of Speed Boost.

* Someone mentioned Prankster Yanmega earlier; I honestly think Druddigon has a slightly more interesting movepool and typing at present. Druddigon has slightly better bulk and typing and can abuse Glare to paralyze everything(though inaccurate), Taunt for the reasons everyone uses Taunt, Torment(as it will probably only run into one move that hits it SE) and Toxic occasionally. You could use the weather moves, but with all the permaweather it's not worth bothering with unless you want to make use of Swift Swim. Oh, and it can Roar, but prankster Roar is only a -5 priority. Unfortunately, his only healing is Rest, and he doesn't even get Sleep Talk. His other choices are... Swagger, Substitute, and Hone Claws? Priority Swagger-Substitute-Torment sounds quite irritating, but realistically it's just going to get him killed.

* With Poison Heal, Regice suddenly has doubled recovery compared to its previous leftovers boost. It's other ability, Drought, is kinda suicide for an Ice type, but at least it's very bulky and can deal with non-fire attacks with ease.

* Speed Boost... Crawdaunt enjoys having what is essentially Shift Gear for its Dragon Dance (+1 attack from DD and +2 speed from DD + speed boost) and Sawsbuck outspeeds a LOT after a boost, allowing it to band, but we all know Keldeo will be the real star of the show.

* Illusion Ferrothorn can set up hazards completely unexpectedly

* Magic Bounce Jumpluff looks to be really obnoxious. The set runs like it does in NU, leap in on something, Encore the move, and proceed to set up for SD/Acrobatics/Seed Bomb (though steels will block you six ways from sunday). Magic Bounce just means it can set up on hazards users with utter impunity, in particular Illusion Ferrothorn(Who can't Power Whip it even if it tried to attack on the switch).

* Weather teams... a full listing of weather abilities (not inducers, those are in the first post):

. . .

I have this feeling that we're going to be seeing a LOT of sun...

Great analysis! Very interesting.

Quote:

Flower Gift: Hang on, isn't this ability hard coded only to work for Cherrim?
Regardless...
Golem - He'll love both the Sp Boost and the Attack boost. Now Golem likes two weathers.
Muk
Remoraid
Blissey - Oh.
Wingull
Rampardos - Lol, I'd hate to see what sort of hits that thing would deal out.
Magnezone
Excadrill
Tympole

Duh! I can't believe I forgot about that. I changed their abilities:
Golem- Magic Bounce
Muk- Infiltrator
Remoraid- Water Absorb
Blissey- Early Bird
Wingull- Synchronize
Rampardos- Victory Star
Magnezone- Swift Swim (Rain+Thunder+Swift Swim!)
Excadrill- Rain Dish
Tympole- Liquid Ooze

I will ask Joim to edit the code.

Sarkynin · Apr 29th, 2013, 2:05:39 PM

Swift...
Swim...
Magnezone...
Goddamnit.

Anyway, my wonkymons team.

...

Snaquaza · May 2nd, 2013, 6:16:13 PM

Everyone, keep SE hits on Camerupt either Water or Ground

anty208 · May 4th, 2013, 6:57:50 AM

i just noticed a gimmicky but usable set;

Clamperl@deepseatooth
max speed max sp attack
timid/modest
Sand rush
-shell smash
-surf
-ice beam
-hp grass

In the sand and one smash it gets 720 with timid (650 with modest) and with tooth it gets 1080 (modest, 1000 with timid). it is now a major threat if the sand is up and it gets a free set up and the enemy will be worn down a bit by sand. The only bad thing is you don't have a decent chance to set up and unaware walls. It 2hko's chantey and bliss!

Nov 13th, 2012, 4:25:43 PM	#51
TheOnyx Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 38 Mer'ca	Natural Cure Archeops is actually really good __________________ http://i.imgur.com/hSQ7n.gif Death Virus on PS! and MOOTOO on PO

Dec 10th, 2012, 1:29:10 AM	#58
Mdevil Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 109 Avatar by Eagle4	Pure Power/Eviolite Rufflet seems... entertaining. Not brilliant, but better than Braviary. __________________ I want to say I get more stupid everyday, but it would make me stupid to admit that... Irony...

Feb 27th, 2013, 2:43:31 AM	#62
Adams Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 92 Hashtag Fancy	I want to play this meta but idk how __________________ Avatar http://www.silver-islands.com/avatars

Mar 1st, 2013, 2:33:52 AM	#67
The_Eevee_General Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 133 Rotom-Washington	Sorry to double post... BUT The mod is up and running thanks to Joim! So please check it out. http://play.pokemonshowdown.com/~~joimslab/lobby AND Wonder Guard Elekid is banned!! :'( So you can all breathe a sigh of relief. Other Wonder Guarders are usable for now... __________________ PS! EeveeGeneral STABmons\|Wonkymons Last edited by The_Eevee_General; Mar 1st, 2013 at 3:10:45 AM.

Mar 7th, 2013, 8:55:43 PM	#69
NARFNra Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 81	Some minor things that might be interesting. * Choice Band Ninjask looks vaguely usable now because Magic Guard prevents SR from ruining his day ever again as he U-Turns in at random. Sadly, his BP strategy is pretty much impossible due to the lack of Speed Boost. * Someone mentioned Prankster Yanmega earlier; I honestly think Druddigon has a slightly more interesting movepool and typing at present. Druddigon has slightly better bulk and typing and can abuse Glare to paralyze everything(though inaccurate), Taunt for the reasons everyone uses Taunt, Torment(as it will probably only run into one move that hits it SE) and Toxic occasionally. You could use the weather moves, but with all the permaweather it's not worth bothering with unless you want to make use of Swift Swim. Oh, and it can Roar, but prankster Roar is only a -5 priority. Unfortunately, his only healing is Rest, and he doesn't even get Sleep Talk. His other choices are... Swagger, Substitute, and Hone Claws? Priority Swagger-Substitute-Torment sounds quite irritating, but realistically it's just going to get him killed. * With Poison Heal, Regice suddenly has doubled recovery compared to its previous leftovers boost. It's other ability, Drought, is kinda suicide for an Ice type, but at least it's very bulky and can deal with non-fire attacks with ease. * Speed Boost... Crawdaunt enjoys having what is essentially Shift Gear for its Dragon Dance (+1 attack from DD and +2 speed from DD + speed boost) and Sawsbuck outspeeds a LOT after a boost, allowing it to band, but we all know Keldeo will be the real star of the show. * Illusion Ferrothorn can set up hazards completely unexpectedly * Magic Bounce Jumpluff looks to be really obnoxious. The set runs like it does in NU, leap in on something, Encore the move, and proceed to set up for SD/Acrobatics/Seed Bomb (though steels will block you six ways from sunday). Magic Bounce just means it can set up on hazards users with utter impunity, in particular Illusion Ferrothorn(Who can't Power Whip it even if it tried to attack on the switch). * Weather teams... a full listing of weather abilities (not inducers, those are in the first post): Cloud Nine: ... Rhyhorn Tauros Octillery Kingdra - How ironic Numel Gorebyss Deoxys-A Magmortar Rotom-Frost Watchog Gothorita Alomomola Chlorophyll: ... Nidorina (amusingly, Nidorino gets Drought) Gastly Articuno Marill Mantine Swampert Shuppet Weavile Gallade - Probably the best Chlorophyller due to high attack, middling previous speed, and great coverage. Also resists Fighting moves sent after Hydrei. Roggenrola Dry Skin: (not really sure what to make of these) ... Koffing Croconaw Entei Cascoon Cacturne Kecleon - A weird choice, but might make an interesting rain supporter due to decent spbulk and Recover. Regirock - Oh god. Rayquaza Azelf Beheyeem Flower Gift: Hang on, isn't this ability hard coded only to work for Cherrim? Regardless... ... Golem - He'll love both the Sp Boost and the Attack boost. Now Golem likes two weathers. Muk Remoraid Blissey - Oh. Wingull Rampardos - Lol, I'd hate to see what sort of hits that thing would deal out. Magnezone Excadrill Tympole Harvest: ... Beedrill Jynx Slowking Hariyama Aron Registeel Latios Honchkrow Carracosta Mienshao Hydration: ... Ditto Snubbull Mightyena Kyurem Looks like nothing's really going to be making use of Hydration. Kyurem's the only one who will really have it, and that's because Anger Point is useless. Ice Body: ... Tentacruel Flareon - Might be neat as a Hail poke who counters opposing Hail. Bidoof Gallade - Gallade is apparently going to be useful on two types of weather teams, but Ice Body isn't that good for him. Liepard Dwebble Overcoat: ... Blastoise Goldeen Starmie - Well, now SS gets a fast spinner who can also switch in on water moves(hail has Ice Body Tenta). Snorlax - Immunity to Weather passive damage isn't too bad. He's probably going to be a Snow Warning poke, though. Meganium Treecko Nincada Glalie Frosslass Rotom-Wash - Ooh, that might be interesting. Gothitelle Amoongus - Just when you thought those sandstorm teams were going to be swept by fighters... Ferroseed Heatmor Rain Dish: ... Machoke Exeggutor Hitmonlee Wooper Unown Tyranitar Volbeat Barboach Lileep Groudon Rayquaza Empoleon Rotom-Heat Dialga Purrloin Swoobat Whirlipede I honestly have no idea how Rain Dish is going to work. Looking at the list, Empoleon seems best set to use it. Sand Force: ... Charmeleon Magneton - Flash Cannon and HP Ground aren't very good choices for Maggy, but they might see use with the boost. Houndoom Ralts Torkoal Deoxys-D Wormadam-Ground - The only SForcer to get STAB on EQ, an utterly terrible Bug type with base 79 attack. Oh well. Dusknoir Sand Rush: ... Bellsprout Sentret Seviper - at it's fastest, Seviper reaches 502 speed in a sandstorm, putting it two points below absolute max speed Deoxys-S. Without an attack boosting nature 100 in each Attack stat is nothing big, but it's still something. Sacrificing the speed-boosting nature nets you 458 speed, whose only real danger is more scarfers outspeeding and unboosted Ninjask. Clamperl - Deepseatooth + Sand Rush with Shell Smash as backup? Torterra Swoobat Scrafty - Ouch. Durant Sand Veil (not sure if banned): ... Ninetales Mankey Dewgong Gastly Onix Chinchou Xatu Flaafy Espeon Shiftry Loudred Spinda Kyogre Wormadam-Plant Unfezant Audino Zoroark Haxorus - Putting the hax in haxorus Braviary Snow Cloak: ... Zubat Persian Alakazam Farfetch'd Dratini Ampharos Jirachi - at least its not serene grace Whimsicott Litwick Lampent Accelgor Bisharp Solar Power: ... Hypno - Well, that makes his attack stat usable... Mawile Flygon - Flygon can't come in on EQ anymore, but now it going to be really hard to wall because of the Sun boosted Fire Blast being double boosted. Jirachi - Probably a better choice than Snow Cloak. Luxio Servine Musharna Scraggy *Volcarona* - Yeah, everything will die. Sun looks really scary. Swift Swim: ... Caterpie Gengar Typhlosion Duskull Chimecho Turtwig Shellos Hippowdon Panpour I was expecting this to be pretty terrifying, but it's honestly rather tame. Panpour and Shellos are the only Water types with the ability and they're very weak, while the most powerful abusers are all unable to make use of it. Gengar is already fast (though heavy metal is very useless) and isn't going to be packing HP Water any time soon, Typhlosion's STAB is rendered useless by the weather, and Hippowdon isn't going to be making very good use of the speed anyway, especially in rain. I have this feeling that we're going to be seeing a LOT of sun...

Nov 21st, 2012, 1:14:03 PM	#53
Relados I learn by going where I have to go Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 333	Hey, I know you mentioned that the clauses need to be looked into, so I have to ask: Are Sand Veil and Snow Cloak going to be banned like they were in the regular tiers, or are they still fair game?

Dec 6th, 2012, 3:00:34 PM	#55
thesynchrohero Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 181	Please tell me not putting Magnet Pull Emboar in the game changers section was a mistake, I mean both of Emboar's STAB's hit steel super effectively.

Feb 22nd, 2013, 12:37:12 AM	#60
bobbyvaporeon Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 236	Can I have a link to the program you used to make this i want to try my own

Mar 1st, 2013, 10:02:47 AM	#68
Sarkynin Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 188 In /vp/'s refugiee camps.	Why is everyone saying that scarf shadow tag Terrakion is the best thing ever? scarf Kyurem-B is way more powerful and has shadow tag too, he only lacks in speed to take on scarf Palkia or +1 Keldeo. Also, adaptability sucker punch from Cacturne hurts. Drizzle Dragonite with Max HP/Max SpA with hurricane/thunder/surf/roost is nice too, it can take hits and dish out powerful ones.

Apr 28th, 2013, 5:47:56 PM	#70
Snaquaza Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 355 Hoenn	sorry if this is asked already but what will Dragonite induce, Drizzle or Sand Stream __________________ My Pokemon Showdown name is the same as here. I'm doing a Platinum Scramble Also doing a SS Scramble And at last White 2 Our newest project, making Pokemon game

Apr 28th, 2013, 7:09:10 PM	#71
Arcticblast ~ Moderator Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,001 #serperiors Mentor	That depends on what ability you give it. If you give it Sand Stream it will start a sandstorm, while if you give it Drizzle it will start rain. __________________ New to Smogon? Afraid to jump into discussion? Introduce yourself! ------------------- Fail Cup \| Scramble! \| RMTs: Night Stall (OU) \| ARcTicblast \| Demon Spawn \| signature art by Zracknel additional credit to Pocket and AccidentalGreed

Apr 29th, 2013, 2:05:39 PM	#73
Sarkynin Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 188 In /vp/'s refugiee camps.	Swift... Swim... Magnezone... Goddamnit. Anyway, my wonkymons team. ... Palkia @ Choice Scarf Trait: Contrary EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 HP Timid Nature - Hydro Pump - Draco Meteor - Thunder - Fire Blast Classic contraryPalkia, great cleaner late-game or wallbreaker. Dragonite @ Life Orb Trait: Drizzle EVs: 252 SAtk / 252 Spd / 4 SDef Modest Nature - Hurricane - Thunder - Surf - Roost A surprisingly good wallbreaker/lead, hurricane hits really hard while Thunder has 100% accuracy and surf has pseudo-STAB. Roost is for when your opp switches. Galvantula @ Choice Band Trait: Pure Power EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 SDef Jolly Nature - Wild Charge - X-Scissor - Sucker Punch - Return Underrated threat, it hits really hard with CB. Wild Charge/X-Scissor are main STABs, Sucker Punch is to weaken palkia before pickng it off with Cacturne. Kyurem-Black @ Choice Scarf Trait: Shadow Tag EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd / 4 SAtk Naughty Nature - Outrage - Fusion Bolt - Ice Beam - Dragon Claw Best trapper hands down. Really effective scarf. Outrage/Fusion Bolt are for cleaning, Dragon Claw to RK and ice beam for things weak to it and filler. Cacturne @ Focus Sash Trait: Adaptability EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 SDef Adamant Nature - Sucker Punch - Seed Bomb - Swords Dance - Drain Punch Easy to setup with it. SD, and then sucker punch everything. Seed Bomb and Drain Punch are fillers-kinda. Floatzel @ Choice Scarf Trait: Imposter EVs: 4 Atk / 252 Spd / 252 HP Adamant Nature - Aqua Tail - Ice Punch - Crunch - Aqua Jet Second revenge killer, allows me to try to copy palkia's boosts and retaliate in a speed tie.

May 2nd, 2013, 6:16:13 PM	#74
Snaquaza Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 355 Hoenn	Everyone, keep SE hits on Camerupt either Water or Ground __________________ My Pokemon Showdown name is the same as here. I'm doing a Platinum Scramble Also doing a SS Scramble And at last White 2 Our newest project, making Pokemon game

May 4th, 2013, 6:57:50 AM	#75
anty208 Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 75	i just noticed a gimmicky but usable set; Clamperl@deepseatooth max speed max sp attack timid/modest Sand rush -shell smash -surf -ice beam -hp grass In the sand and one smash it gets 720 with timid (650 with modest) and with tooth it gets 1080 (modest, 1000 with timid). it is now a major threat if the sand is up and it gets a free set up and the enemy will be worn down a bit by sand. The only bad thing is you don't have a decent chance to set up and unaware walls. It 2hko's chantey and bliss! __________________ Check out my Meta, Type Chart Swap; http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3482959