Doubles Hackmons

**verbatim** · Dec 14th, 2012, 11:31:44 PM

You Did What!?!

With Pokemon Showdowns support of Doubles, I am proud to announce that we will also be hosting a doubles version of hackmons, that being said, there will be several changes in doubles other than the use of two pokemon at once, specifically,

Doubles Hackmons is an experiment, not a guarantee

While still acceptably high, Balanced Hackmons and Hackmons do not have the biggest userbase. As such, Doubles Hackmons will not start out with a ladder space, depending on how well it does, it may or may not be added to the ladder at a later date.

There will only be one variant of Doubles Hackmons

Due to possible issues with finding opponents frequently (see above), Doubles Hackmons will not be split into doubles hackmons and doubles balanced hackmons, instead, there will be a singular tier entitled "Doubles Hackmons".

We will be starting fresh with the banlist

Doubles is an entirely different metagame than singles in any tier, this holds as much truth, if not more, in Balanced Hackmons. As time goes on adjustments will be made to the ban-list, if you feel that something is overpowered, or have questions about doubles hackmons in general, feel free to contact me in #showdown.

**verbatim** · Dec 14th, 2012, 11:32:19 PM

Reserved

**verbatim** · Dec 14th, 2012, 11:33:02 PM

You may now post.

EDIT: Doubles Hackmons has been programmed into the system, but there will be a short wait until it uploaded to the main server.

StarmanXL · Dec 14th, 2012, 11:36:58 PM

As someone who has no hackmons experience, but has been interested in joining the metagame, this seems pretty interesting. Should we expect a lot of Telepathy/After You/Imprision abuse?

chuckeroo777 · Dec 14th, 2012, 11:38:38 PM

Transform Blissey + Shuckle with epic stalling set = undefeatable!
Give blissey a toxic orb, shuckle poison heal.
Shuckles set can be bide, rollout, heal order, and uproar.
The idea is, through poison heal, nothing is touching it. The moves make the most of blissey's mere 20 total PP.

**verbatim** · Dec 14th, 2012, 11:40:28 PM

Honestly, its far to early to accurately hazard at what will and what will not be viable, everyone is going to go into the first few matches with their own idea of what will be the best. The biggest difference I see from here is the HUGE nerf doubles mechanics give to Blissey (you can't chose who Imposter copies, so you can insure your sweeper never gets copied by always attacking the pokemon across from you).

chuckeroo777 · Dec 14th, 2012, 11:43:00 PM

that's why you use transform instead of imposter. you can simply transform into your team mate.

Uselesscrab · Dec 15th, 2012, 12:19:00 AM

:o Interesting. I may have to try this.

Dark Void could be problematic.

PureQuestion · Dec 15th, 2012, 12:57:29 AM

Yeah, I'm thinking Prankster+Transform will be pretty effective for that particular tactic.

tehy · Dec 15th, 2012, 4:20:17 AM

That strategy actually seems kind of bad, for just one reason-what stops me from going 2v1 on the other pokemon? I suggested a bunch of actually helpful moves in this post before i edited them out-toxic, pain split, etc, which would probably be the best options, but those leave you vulnerable to PP stall (Still the best option, however,especially with shuckle using toxic and a leppa berry). The PP stall moves mean i can set up in your face and kill everything not named blissey, then switch around or just stay in. Hazards would counteract this, except... you're probably against 2 hard-hitters with boosting moves. Oh yeah, and prankster taunt basically does you in almost entirely.

By the way, this is a tier where a deoxys-S can use beat up on any pokemon in the game, while they have the ability justified. So...yeah.

***Zarel**** · Dec 15th, 2012, 8:56:51 AM

I'm sorry if we got anyone's hopes up, but I'm not going to put Doubles Hackmons on the ladder until I see evidence that it's a viable metagame. For now, I'd recommend that you play Doubles Hackmons using the Doubles Custom Game option.

**verbatim** · Dec 21st, 2012, 6:46:50 PM

Okay so, I thought I was going to have time to do this over break but, disease had other plans, and most likely the time I have left after I get better will go towards catching up on the work I missed before the end of the holidays. I intend to get to this eventually, but eventually could be a very long time from now.

That being said, I'm going to leave this open in case anyone has any questions, ideas concerning Doubles Hackmons.

The Reptile · Dec 21st, 2012, 9:46:22 PM

This sounds extremely exciting, can't wait to use Prankster Groudon. Strong ass STAB spread moves? Yes please.

Also, interested to see how Dark Void affects the meta. Magic Bounce seems really powerful.

Relados · Dec 22nd, 2012, 5:48:26 PM

No one has mentioned the Transform Chansey into Shuckle with Magic Bounce tactic yet? I'm surprised.

Dec 14th, 2012, 11:31:44 PM	#1
verbatim legends blurred and torn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,064 United States	Doubles Hackmons You Did What!?! With Pokemon Showdowns support of Doubles, I am proud to announce that we will also be hosting a doubles version of hackmons, that being said, there will be several changes in doubles other than the use of two pokemon at once, specifically, Doubles Hackmons is an experiment, not a guarantee While still acceptably high, Balanced Hackmons and Hackmons do not have the biggest userbase. As such, Doubles Hackmons will not start out with a ladder space, depending on how well it does, it may or may not be added to the ladder at a later date. There will only be one variant of Doubles Hackmons Due to possible issues with finding opponents frequently (see above), Doubles Hackmons will not be split into doubles hackmons and doubles balanced hackmons, instead, there will be a singular tier entitled "Doubles Hackmons". We will be starting fresh with the banlist Doubles is an entirely different metagame than singles in any tier, this holds as much truth, if not more, in Balanced Hackmons. As time goes on adjustments will be made to the ban-list, if you feel that something is overpowered, or have questions about doubles hackmons in general, feel free to contact me in #showdown. Last edited by verbatim; Dec 15th, 2012 at 10:43:13 AM.

Dec 15th, 2012, 12:57:29 AM	#9
PureQuestion Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 158	Yeah, I'm thinking Prankster+Transform will be pretty effective for that particular tactic. __________________ 11:57 DougJustDoug In fact, to win Member of the Year, that means you are a talented genius and you must be althletic, well-mannered, and quite handsome too. 11:57 PureQuestion Doug how many times have you won member of the year 11:57 DougJustDoug ... twice.

Dec 15th, 2012, 4:20:17 AM	#10
tehy Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 1,156	That strategy actually seems kind of bad, for just one reason-what stops me from going 2v1 on the other pokemon? I suggested a bunch of actually helpful moves in this post before i edited them out-toxic, pain split, etc, which would probably be the best options, but those leave you vulnerable to PP stall (Still the best option, however,especially with shuckle using toxic and a leppa berry). The PP stall moves mean i can set up in your face and kill everything not named blissey, then switch around or just stay in. Hazards would counteract this, except... you're probably against 2 hard-hitters with boosting moves. Oh yeah, and prankster taunt basically does you in almost entirely. By the way, this is a tier where a deoxys-S can use beat up on any pokemon in the game, while they have the ability justified. So...yeah. Last edited by tehy; Dec 15th, 2012 at 4:43:46 AM.

Dec 15th, 2012, 8:56:51 AM	#11
*Zarel >> BEGIN POSTBIT Super Moderator** Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,130 >> END POSTBIT	I'm sorry if we got anyone's hopes up, but I'm not going to put Doubles Hackmons on the ladder until I see evidence that it's a viable metagame. For now, I'd recommend that you play Doubles Hackmons using the Doubles Custom Game option. __________________ Pokemon Showdown \| Replay player \| No, I am not impressed that you know that my name is Guangcong Luo. The PS website says "Copyright Guangcong Luo" at the bottom, ffs.

Dec 21st, 2012, 9:46:22 PM	#13
The Reptile Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 641 DreMZ on PS! (´･ω･`)	This sounds extremely exciting, can't wait to use Prankster Groudon. Strong ass STAB spread moves? Yes please. Also, interested to see how Dark Void affects the meta. Magic Bounce seems really powerful. __________________ I do the arts now! :D

Dec 14th, 2012, 11:32:19 PM	#2
verbatim legends blurred and torn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,064 United States	Reserved

Dec 14th, 2012, 11:33:02 PM	#3
verbatim legends blurred and torn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,064 United States	You may now post. EDIT: Doubles Hackmons has been programmed into the system, but there will be a short wait until it uploaded to the main server.

Dec 14th, 2012, 11:36:58 PM	#4
StarmanXL Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,357 Le Petit Prince	As someone who has no hackmons experience, but has been interested in joining the metagame, this seems pretty interesting. Should we expect a lot of Telepathy/After You/Imprision abuse?

Dec 14th, 2012, 11:38:38 PM	#5
chuckeroo777 Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 77	Transform Blissey + Shuckle with epic stalling set = undefeatable! Give blissey a toxic orb, shuckle poison heal. Shuckles set can be bide, rollout, heal order, and uproar. The idea is, through poison heal, nothing is touching it. The moves make the most of blissey's mere 20 total PP.

Dec 14th, 2012, 11:40:28 PM	#6
verbatim legends blurred and torn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,064 United States	Honestly, its far to early to accurately hazard at what will and what will not be viable, everyone is going to go into the first few matches with their own idea of what will be the best. The biggest difference I see from here is the HUGE nerf doubles mechanics give to Blissey (you can't chose who Imposter copies, so you can insure your sweeper never gets copied by always attacking the pokemon across from you).

Dec 14th, 2012, 11:43:00 PM	#7
chuckeroo777 Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 77	that's why you use transform instead of imposter. you can simply transform into your team mate.

Dec 15th, 2012, 12:19:00 AM	#8
Uselesscrab Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 30	:o Interesting. I may have to try this. Dark Void could be problematic.

Dec 21st, 2012, 6:46:50 PM	#12
verbatim legends blurred and torn Moderator Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 1,064 United States	Okay so, I thought I was going to have time to do this over break but, disease had other plans, and most likely the time I have left after I get better will go towards catching up on the work I missed before the end of the holidays. I intend to get to this eventually, but eventually could be a very long time from now. That being said, I'm going to leave this open in case anyone has any questions, ideas concerning Doubles Hackmons.

Dec 22nd, 2012, 5:48:26 PM	#14
Relados Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 332	No one has mentioned the Transform Chansey into Shuckle with Magic Bounce tactic yet? I'm surprised.