(Gen 1) Best Pokemon in RBY in OU - Page 3

Dre89 · Dec 25th, 2012, 9:46:09 PM

Sorry for the bump but I'd say that excluding ubers snorlax is the best pokemon in RBY.

I'm at the point now where I'd prefer snorlax over tauros if I had to choose between the two. Tauros can sweep teams, but they need to be really crippled beforehand. Snorlax can sweep healthy teams as long as minimal conditions are met. Of course, like tauros he needs luck, but it's much easier to set him up and he can sweep healthier pokemon.

Omanyte · Dec 26th, 2012, 8:30:39 PM

^I would like to hear your reasons for this. The main problems with Snorlax sweeping compared to Tauros are:
1) He's very slow, so he relies much more heavily on paralysis support.
2) He's very slow, so he gets walled by basically anything that gets a Reflect up due to his lack of Crits.

In what ways is Snorlax better at sweeping other than a slight raw power advantage? IMO Snorlax's strength is that he can be used for all kinds of roles, not just (or necessarily) sweeping.

Like I said before, I think that Snorlax is a more unique pokemon and is therefore more irreplaceable in a team, but Tauros is overall a better pokemon.

magic9mushroom · Dec 26th, 2012, 9:11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Omanyte

In what ways is Snorlax better at sweeping other than a slight raw power advantage?

Harder to capitalise on if Hyper Beam fails to KO, and proportionately less damage from enemy Snorlax's Counter? Threatening switches with your own Counter?

They're not big advantages, but they are there.

Crystal_ · Dec 27th, 2012, 5:46:35 AM

Snorlax is the second most difficult pokemon to check and doesn't need para support for that. It explodes with the most powerful explosion in the game. Snorlax is 6hkoed by Chansey so snorlax can capitalize on it on it more than Tauros can and use rest effectively and easily rest loop on chansey. Can even run reflect amnesia and counter to good success.

Still, it is not in the level of Tauros but neither is replaceable in the sense that if you replace one you will be left with an inferior team overall.

Dre89 · Dec 27th, 2012, 10:18:04 PM

Omanyte- I'm not talking about standard lax though, I'm talking about tanklaxes. Specifically, amnesia+reflectlax. ARlax doesn't really need para support, and has much more survivability than tauros or standard laxes. That's what makes him capable of sweeping 4+ healthy pokemon.

The best switch in to standardlax is probably tanklax (assuming you're unsure of what move they'll use). Most of the time, the best thing standardlax can do is trade with self-destruct, and even then he needs a bit of luck.

magic9mushroom · Dec 28th, 2012, 3:45:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Dre89

Omanyte- I'm not talking about standard lax though, I'm talking about tanklaxes. Specifically, amnesia+reflectlax. ARlax doesn't really need para support, and has much more survivability than tauros or standard laxes. That's what makes him capable of sweeping 4+ healthy pokemon.

The best switch in to standardlax is probably tanklax (assuming you're unsure of what move they'll use). Most of the time, the best thing standardlax can do is trade with self-destruct, and even then he needs a bit of luck.

Which attacking move do you use on your Amnesialax (I'm assuming you use Rest)? Surf?

Jorgen · Dec 28th, 2012, 8:51:19 AM

It's tricky. Surf is walled by Chansey, Body Slam needs to PP stall Gengar and needs to use a lot of hits to beat Rocks. I've also seen Psychic. Overall, I think Body Slam is standard.

Crystal_ · Dec 28th, 2012, 8:59:16 AM

yeah Body Slam is the best one. Surf is also walled by Starmie btw. Ice Beam too and only has 16 pp, but can freeze. It can also be walled by rest cloyster or rest lapras. Psychic is walled by the three recoverers and only has 16 pp, but 2 spc falls will let snorlax beat any of the three (sometimes only 1 spc fall is needed, but it would be easier to recover and waste pp). Thunderbolt is walled by rhydon and golem as well as chansey.

Uomo Solo · Dec 28th, 2012, 9:07:28 AM

Well tauros has no counters, but i prefer counter chansey, immortal except for freeze or fullpara.

Organization Member XIV · Dec 28th, 2012, 9:17:26 AM

Obligatory Tauros, Rhydon, Chansey, Golem mentions. We all know why these are basically the best of the best. Tauros has STAB Hyper Beam, Rhydon and Golem hard counter Zapdos and have STAB SlideQuake combo, and Chansey is just a goddamn special wall with powerful Ice Beams.

magic9mushroom · Dec 28th, 2012, 11:18:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jorgen

Surf is walled by Chansey

Worth noting that walling it with Chansey will use up Chansey's entire supply of Softboiled PP to run the Tanklax out of Surf.

Starmie doesn't have that problem, of course.

Crystal_ · Dec 28th, 2012, 11:24:21 AM

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Worth noting that walling it with Chansey will use up Chansey's entire supply of Softboiled PP to run the Tanklax out of Surf.

The thing is that between all that time Chansey would've enjoyed an over 70% chance of freezing Snorlax as well. Of course, if chansey is paralyzed then it's another story because two fps in a row or something like that will let snorlax go through chasney.

magic9mushroom · Dec 28th, 2012, 12:02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Crystal_

The thing is that between all that time Chansey would've enjoyed an over 70% chance of freezing Snorlax as well. Of course, if chansey is paralyzed then it's another story because two fps in a row or something like that will let snorlax go through chasney.

Indeed, Chansey has to be paralysed. Fortunately, that's not at all hard to do. Paralysing (or killing) Starmie, on the other hand, is a lot harder, while simultaneously being even more necessary since Starmie won't run out of Recover PP.

Crystal_ · Dec 28th, 2012, 12:10:08 PM

Don't forget about Slowbro btw. I did, damn. Body Slam usually beats it (bar reflect), tbolt basically always, Ice beam only with freeze, but Surf never bar 100+ turn pp stall if lax survives all slowbro's surfs.

Dre89 · Dec 28th, 2012, 8:29:44 PM

Omanyte I was referring to using body slam, it's the most dangerous.

You get walled by gengar, but that's why I don't let my zam take sleep anymore. There are other problems as well like slowbro or reflectzam, but for me it's still way too dangerous to not be the best pokemon in OU.

Dec 27th, 2012, 5:46:35 AM	#54
Crystal_ Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 828 Spain	Snorlax is the second most difficult pokemon to check and doesn't need para support for that. It explodes with the most powerful explosion in the game. Snorlax is 6hkoed by Chansey so snorlax can capitalize on it on it more than Tauros can and use rest effectively and easily rest loop on chansey. Can even run reflect amnesia and counter to good success. Still, it is not in the level of Tauros but neither is replaceable in the sense that if you replace one you will be left with an inferior team overall. __________________ Updated RBY analyses: ~~ Alakazam / Chansey / Dragonite / Exeggutor / Slowbro / Snorlax / Starmie / Tauros ~~ Articles: ~~ The RBY UU Metagame // Sleep and Leads in RBY ~~ Warstory: ~~ RBY Little Cup ~~ ****** RBY 251 ** The RBY Metagame with all GSC Pokemon allowed!

Dec 28th, 2012, 8:59:16 AM	#58
Crystal_ Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 828 Spain	yeah Body Slam is the best one. Surf is also walled by Starmie btw. Ice Beam too and only has 16 pp, but can freeze. It can also be walled by rest cloyster or rest lapras. Psychic is walled by the three recoverers and only has 16 pp, but 2 spc falls will let snorlax beat any of the three (sometimes only 1 spc fall is needed, but it would be easier to recover and waste pp). Thunderbolt is walled by rhydon and golem as well as chansey. __________________ Updated RBY analyses: ~~ Alakazam / Chansey / Dragonite / Exeggutor / Slowbro / Snorlax / Starmie / Tauros ~~ Articles: ~~ The RBY UU Metagame // Sleep and Leads in RBY ~~ Warstory: ~~ RBY Little Cup ~~ ****** RBY 251 ** The RBY Metagame with all GSC Pokemon allowed!

Dec 28th, 2012, 9:17:26 AM	#60
Organization Member XIV Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 610 With Xerneas, in the Garden of Eden	Obligatory Tauros, Rhydon, Chansey, Golem mentions. We all know why these are basically the best of the best. Tauros has STAB Hyper Beam, Rhydon and Golem hard counter Zapdos and have STAB SlideQuake combo, and Chansey is just a goddamn special wall with powerful Ice Beams. __________________ Bearkiller on PS and IRC. May also go by the name of Grima on IRC. I play League of Legends, so there's that. Also free Genesect plz. My LP.

Dec 28th, 2012, 12:10:08 PM	#64
Crystal_ Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 828 Spain	Don't forget about Slowbro btw. I did, damn. Body Slam usually beats it (bar reflect), tbolt basically always, Ice beam only with freeze, but Surf never bar 100+ turn pp stall if lax survives all slowbro's surfs. __________________ Updated RBY analyses: ~~ Alakazam / Chansey / Dragonite / Exeggutor / Slowbro / Snorlax / Starmie / Tauros ~~ Articles: ~~ The RBY UU Metagame // Sleep and Leads in RBY ~~ Warstory: ~~ RBY Little Cup ~~ ****** RBY 251 ** The RBY Metagame with all GSC Pokemon allowed!

Dec 25th, 2012, 9:46:09 PM	#51
Dre89 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 220	Sorry for the bump but I'd say that excluding ubers snorlax is the best pokemon in RBY. I'm at the point now where I'd prefer snorlax over tauros if I had to choose between the two. Tauros can sweep teams, but they need to be really crippled beforehand. Snorlax can sweep healthy teams as long as minimal conditions are met. Of course, like tauros he needs luck, but it's much easier to set him up and he can sweep healthier pokemon.

Dec 26th, 2012, 8:30:39 PM	#52
Omanyte Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 41	^I would like to hear your reasons for this. The main problems with Snorlax sweeping compared to Tauros are: 1) He's very slow, so he relies much more heavily on paralysis support. 2) He's very slow, so he gets walled by basically anything that gets a Reflect up due to his lack of Crits. In what ways is Snorlax better at sweeping other than a slight raw power advantage? IMO Snorlax's strength is that he can be used for all kinds of roles, not just (or necessarily) sweeping. Like I said before, I think that Snorlax is a more unique pokemon and is therefore more irreplaceable in a team, but Tauros is overall a better pokemon.

Dec 27th, 2012, 10:18:04 PM	#55
Dre89 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 220	Omanyte- I'm not talking about standard lax though, I'm talking about tanklaxes. Specifically, amnesia+reflectlax. ARlax doesn't really need para support, and has much more survivability than tauros or standard laxes. That's what makes him capable of sweeping 4+ healthy pokemon. The best switch in to standardlax is probably tanklax (assuming you're unsure of what move they'll use). Most of the time, the best thing standardlax can do is trade with self-destruct, and even then he needs a bit of luck.

Dec 28th, 2012, 8:51:19 AM	#57
Jorgen Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 708	It's tricky. Surf is walled by Chansey, Body Slam needs to PP stall Gengar and needs to use a lot of hits to beat Rocks. I've also seen Psychic. Overall, I think Body Slam is standard.

Dec 28th, 2012, 9:07:28 AM	#59
Uomo Solo Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 145 Naples, Italy	Well tauros has no counters, but i prefer counter chansey, immortal except for freeze or fullpara.

Dec 28th, 2012, 8:29:44 PM	#65
Dre89 Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 220	Omanyte I was referring to using body slam, it's the most dangerous. You get walled by gengar, but that's why I don't let my zam take sleep anymore. There are other problems as well like slowbro or reflectzam, but for me it's still way too dangerous to not be the best pokemon in OU.