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Welcome to the new Project Overviews!
I'm going to leave out a lot of the overhead of the last thread and just get down to business here. Overviews need a lot of improvement across the board, and we're going to use this thread to make sure that any "sub-par" overviews get revamped. What I'm not going to allow is for bad overviews to be replaced by mediocre overviews. In order to fulfill this aim, I'm going to lay down a couple general rules for how Overviews should work.
While these rules are not hard and fast, it takes an especially good writer to break them and not screw it up, and it takes a special Pokemon to warrant an exception. Let's take a look at some examples: Tyranitar's DP Overview: Quote:
Iconic's Sharpedo, from the last thread: Quote:
In general, these are the types of overviews that we're looking for. Note that I'll be personally judging all overviews suggested, and any that violate the rules above will be rejected and need to be retouched. Approved overviews will be GPed and uploaded by staff. Additionally, any analysis currently in progress is ineligible to be revamped in this thread, and instead will be done in its own thread. This thread is going to run similar to the last one. People can reserve on-site analyses that need an overview revamp, and submit their own takes on the overview. However, before being GPed and pushed to the site, they will have to go through me. If you want, you can consult with me on IRC for help- if I'm on IRC you can always find me in #C&C. Looking forward to a new set of overviews!
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Thank you. This needed to change. Some analyses are so buried in fluff that it's hard to find the actual substance underneath it all. I'd also agree with you in saying that the first sentence of any analysis is of extreme importance. Most beginners are drawn into using a Pokemon by its overall appeal due to aesthetic factors as well as the description it's given in the first line of the analysis. One sentence can make or break a Pokemon for some people. The rest of the opening paragraph is just as critical. Iconic's paragraph on Sharpedo, in particular, is an example of excellent prose that we should all strive to emulate.
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Alright, time to get the ball rolling!
New Overview
Old Overview
Why it was changed: The old analysis had too much hype. Way too much hype for a Pokemon that wasn't even OU. Illusion is useful, but even if you use it properly, it'll hardly turn the tide of battle. The overview mentions Zoroark's frailty, but there was too little emphasis on Zoroark's second biggest flaw; its "good-but-not good-enough" Speed stat. I've corrected these issues, and toned down the hype (while also giving its fair due). Note: I am aware of the fact I use some text from its "counters" section, i'll be revamping its counters section too.
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I like it. This is what I'd like to see more of. Any GPers checking out this thread can check PK's Zoroark.
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Are we doing every single OU entry/again? I know Aldaron's topic already had an archive and some were even uploaded already (my Hydreigon included).
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Some of the old ones are being uploaded by QC team's discretion; if the overview hasn't been updated, assume that that you're free to make another one. EDIT: Don't forget to keep in mind that some of the analyses are getting revamps, so some of the updated overviews aren't necessary.
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GP Approved . Great job with this; I enjoyed reading it.
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@PK Gaming: Awesome, thanks.
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Deleted above post 'cause I might as well right a new set of overviews.
Anyways, here are some overview I think could be worth changing. Staraptor:
Current Overview
Proposed Overview
Reason for change: Okay, this bird may have been OP in UU, alright, but, to put it bluntly, it's not exactly up to par in OU. It does have some perks and all, but there was a need to emphasize on why it's BL and not OU. Pants Lizard:
Current Overview
Proposed Overview
Reason for change: I made it pretty different this time around. I really love Scrafty, as my name says, but I mean really, it's just not up to par in this meta. I know it's got that cool typing and awesome boosting moves and abilities, but really, it struggles to find a place in this metagame. Its low speed really kills it, and its bulk just isn't up to par. I know it can be successful, but it's often outclassed by other Fighting-types. Wow, I never thought I'd say those words. Sableye:
Current Overview
Proposed Overview
Reasons for change: Mmmhmm. Why not just mention why we should even bother using Sableye in OU? Crawdaunt
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Reason for change: Yeah. The current overview is really hyping up Crawdaunt. It really isn't that good in this meta and should only be used if you want something that has so much power to smash through lots of bulky Pokemon. Otherwise, stick to something else.
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With blessing from PK Gaming, I give thee... Garchomp.
Old and busted...
New hotness
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Will check out Scrafty's when I get home, but the Garchomp one is a bit long at first glance. I like the intro sentence, though.
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Yeah, that's what PK Gaming and I thought. I'd love for any advice, because I'm stuck right now. I'll get bursts of inspiration (the entire overview after the first sentence was written in about 20 minutes last night) and then I sit on it for weeks at a time.
And thanks.
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I can give you some stuff to take out in the final paragraph if you'd like:
Cut the second incredible in the first sentence. Maybe just cut the whole 'absence of Sand Veil'? That's not really much of a shortcoming IMO, more of a 'thing that is banned/made him banworthy'. Yes, he used to have it, but given as no non-uber has that NOW, it's not exactly a shortcoming. As long as nothing relevant has 102 Speed, is it really necessary to mention the uniqueness? Also, resisting SR doesn't give him switch-in opportunities so much as it gives him freer switch-ins. If Mence could switch in and do whatever Chomp was about to do, he'd probably do it. Oh yeah and finally:Chomp is versatile as hell, as you yourself have noted. So his analysis might be a little longer, because there's more to cover. (Also, provide him, not provides him, in the first paragraph.) Maybe cut out mentions of BW move tutors and generation shift? I've seen such mentions before and allowed in, but it's just kind of taking up space. (Sub-typing? Just typing?) Does Chomp even restalk phaze? Never really seen that. |
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@Lord of Bays: It shouldn't be that hard to shorten that. What you have to do is cut out some of the fluff. A few examples:
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Fixing those two sections should get your overview down to a good length. You might want to look over the rest of it, but to me, it looks good.
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Thanks man, I had completely forgotten about this. I'll give it a looksie tonight, real life has been really weird the last few weeks.
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So I haven't touched this in nearly two months, but I looked at Garchomp's overview again, and I hope this is up to snuff.
Old and busted...
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