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Jan 2nd, 2013, 8:20:04 AM
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RU Stats: December 2012
Thanks Antar...
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Moveset Statistics November Usage Stats Unfortunately we didn't get anything new from UU this time around. We did, however, get quite a few things from NU: Cinccino, Amoonguss, Absol, and Emboar. We even got Snover from PU, thus showing that hail is here to stay. Antar yet again shows us that Nidoqueen should have been banned after all, with a 20% usage rate over the second placed 'mon's 15%. Apart from that, it's pretty much the same as November.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 8:27:05 AM
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You guys should make sure to look at the moveset stats for this month. They shed some light on some of the odd additions to your tier.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 12:04:57 PM
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Dang, if I had played the second half of the month I probably could have put ledian in the top 100. I still moved it up 50 spots lol. Is there anywhere that shows how many kills a pokemon gets? I'd love to know.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 12:28:57 PM
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There definitely used to be, but I'm not sure if it's still continued.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 3:50:31 PM
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Even more stats to speak of. Yay.
My Thoughts on these stats: | 1 | Nidoqueen | 10711 | 20.017% | 8827 | 20.210% | Still queen, are ya? | 3 | Cresselia | 7849 | 14.668% | 6398 | 14.648% | | 11 | Durant | 5496 | 10.271% | 4286 | 9.813% | Lol. | 7 | Sandslash | 6952 | 12.992% | 5856 | 13.408% | Hey guys. Stop using this. It's not a good spinner. Use Kabutops or Cryogonal. Better go fix this, and FAST. | 24 | Lilligant | 4693 | 8.770% | 3539 | 8.103% | | 31 | Moltres | 3829 | 7.156% | 3130 | 7.166% | Lol, seriously, these two need more usage. They are the best special attackers in the tier not named Nidoqueen. | 27 | Hitmonchan | 4420 | 8.260% | 3576 | 8.187% | *headdesk* | 28 | Escavalier | 4272 | 7.984% | 3481 | 7.970% | Yes, you still need way more usage. | 29 | Dusknoir | 4164 | 7.782% | 3470 | 7.945% | Ah yes, the Pokemon holding the dubious honor of being the only Pokemon who is tiered below its own pre-evo (you really shouldn't be using Clops, either). Seriously, stop using it. It's not good. | 34 | Absol | 3791 | 7.085% | 2907 | 6.656% | YES! YES! YES! You made it, buddy! Now keep it comin' my friend. Favorite Dark-type comin' through, guys! | 38 | Whimsicott | 3682 | 6.881% | 3093 | 7.082% | EDIT: I take that back. Priority Stun Spore is a lifesaver, not to mention Whimsi's other support options are fantastic. This does need to be used more, tbh. I'm surprised it's Stun Spore isn't being used alongside things like Nidoqueen and Absol. | 39 | Snover | 3630 | 6.784% | 3522 | 8.064% | Made it. | 42 | Cinccino | 3249 | 6.072% | 2792 | 6.392% | Made it, too! | 44 | Electivire | 3167 | 5.919% | 2464 | 5.641% | | 50 | Munchlax | 2624 | 4.904% | 2076 | 4.753% | Get out of the tier. Now. | 49 | Mesprit | 2700 | 5.046% | 2431 | 5.566% | Still needs more usage. It's one of the most diverse and amazing mons in the tier. | 52 | Ferroseed | 2603 | 4.865% | 2288 | 5.238% | *facepalm* Why are we using this thing over Roselia?! Seriously! | 55 | Emboar | 2448 | 4.575% | 1975 | 4.522% | | 62 | Amoonguss | 2129 | 3.979% | 1759 | 4.027% | YAY! More rise-ups! Yay! | 63 | Primeape | 2060 | 3.850% | 1717 | 3.931% | Get out of the tier. Now. | 64 | Rotom-Frost | 1980 | 3.700% | 1600 | 3.663% | | 65 | Jynx | 1828 | 3.416% | 1361 | 3.116% | If you both keep up at this rate, you both could make RU. | 66 | Roselia | 1510 | 2.822% | 1218 | 2.789% | *slaps myself in the face* I should've saved you! | 83 | Sawk | 654 | 1.222% | 451 | 1.033% | Is this thing even viable with Gallade and Hitmonlee around? All I gotta say.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 3:53:29 PM
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it should be pointed out that it appears that a Molk/Metang stunt was pulled on Amoonguss and Emboar has if you looked at the RU item usage stats for them.
you will see some pretty worrying things. yeah they did get usage but the item usage is totally nonsensical and points to a group trolling the usage stats.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 6:19:58 PM
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b) Zeb said this in the NU thread, but there will be safeguards put in place to prevent that from happening again.
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 6:32:00 PM
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 11:33:01 PM
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i think gallade just might be able to reach the top ten if u give it the right moves. i gave mine: drain punch; ice punch; shadow sneak and swords dance. it's a speedy attacker. but depending on the stats you give it, it could also be a bulky attacker. it all depends
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Jan 2nd, 2013, 11:37:26 PM
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gallade is a top teir pokemon
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Jan 3rd, 2013, 6:40:58 AM
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Other points: | 4 | Entei | 7747 | 14.478% | 6155 | 14.092% | Just a few more places to go... | 15 | Galvantula | 5206 | 9.729% | 4103 | 9.394% | | 31 | Moltres | 3829 | 7.156% | 3130 | 7.166% | I hope that ends the Galvantula/Moltres debate in the viability thread.That's about 1,400 uses more on Galvantula's side. By the way, what actually has happened to Moltres? It was ubiquitous for a while and then it just went downhill, like the early days of Munchlax and Mandibuzz... It seems that any Pokemon beginning with an "M" is going to nosedive at some point. | 65 | Jynx | 1828 | 3.416% | 1361 | 3.116% | | 66 | Roselia | 1510 | 2.822% | 1218 | 2.789% | Something tells me that the gap just where the cutoff point is isn't natural. | 70 | Ninjask | 1200 | 2.243% | 1068 | 2.445% | I'm insulted. | 82 | Ditto | 661 | 1.235% | 522 | 1.195% | As above. Ditto, you could say. | 7 | Sandslash | 6952 | 12.992% | 5856 | 13.408% | What IS going on?!
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Jan 3rd, 2013, 6:52:54 AM
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Slowking evolves from Slowpoke not Slowbro.
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Jan 3rd, 2013, 7:35:52 AM
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Well, I thought the ladder might have shaped up until I saw:
| 8 | Sandslash | 12.679% | In the 3 month stats. GDI, when was this good again? | 24 | Lilligant | 8.788% | ...yep, PS ladder is just as how I remember it. | 19 | Hitmonlee | 9.509% | NO, GUYS. USING NORMAL GEM + FAKE OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF A MATCH DOESN'T WIN THE MATCH. That being said, it CAN be good, if you use the Endure + Liechi Berry set lategame. | 37 | Whimsicott | 6.817% | Still walled by the mighty level 1 Bulbasaur. Use U-turn and Encore on it instead and let it actually be annoying AND helpful, instead of just annoying. | 51 | Munchlax | 4.824% | #munchlaxforNU2013 | 67 | Miltank | 2.634% | Use this instead of Munchlax. Seriously, it is so underrated, ridiculously bulky and all. Cleric support, a free moveslot due lack of need for RestTalk and Leftovers...sounds much better then Munchlax to me. | 110 | Carracosta | 0.570% | D:< And that's that. Hopefully the PS ladder will improve soon...or not use Krook in UU and thus bringing it back into RU. Either one, really.
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Jan 3rd, 2013, 6:19:05 PM
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And some kid with too much time on his hands spammed Emboar into RU? That just not nice towards the NU players. Oh and more people should use Sandslash, it's really good.
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Jan 3rd, 2013, 6:31:13 PM
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Druddigon at #13. Pretty surprising, as I rarely see it on the ladder. Great parashuffler, and can be very efficient when paired with Pokemon like support Nidoqueen and Spikes Qwilfis, and can even set up its own Rocks as of BW2. Also a good CB Pokemon, base 120 Attack when combined with STAB Outrage, as well as Superpower, Sucker Punch, and Fire Punch to hit Steels makes it really great IMO. Should be top 10, as Ice and Dragon types are pretty rare.
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Jan 3rd, 2013, 6:40:26 PM
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I also was surprised to see some pokemon in used and not being used. The top 10 really had no surprises at all. Nidoqueen once again is the queen of the RU stats, with other obvious pokemon behind her. Interested how there is a decline in in some pokemkn not being used and some lesser known stars not being used either.
Really looking forward to some drops next time. I think it's safe to say that Houndoom and hopefully Tornadus would really shake up this metagame. |
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Jan 3rd, 2013, 7:31:22 PM
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At least the stats are getting a bit better each time. Top 10 is ok aside from Sandslash and Typhlosion. Glad to see Durant moving up to #11 in December stats, Druddigon up, Hitmonlee down, and Dusknoir down. The rest of the major changes were probably due to spamming which is a bit unfortunate.
Also just because a Pokemon is high in usage does not mean that it is a good Pokemon. Moltres is one of the biggest threats in the tier and it's only at #31.
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Jan 4th, 2013, 1:21:17 AM
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I'm doing things a little different this month and instead am looking back at the past 3 months and total instead of just between the last stats update. Also, due to being banned, Cresselia is disqualified from these statistics.
Top Risers since September: 1. Durant +10.271% No surprise here. The bright spot from the BL2 retest, Durant has found himself a solid member of RU, and if I remember correctly, is enjoying more popularity than he did than before he was banned. 2. Snover +6.784% Again an obvious one. With hail being reintroduced, the most important piece to hail teams has found a solid usage in RU. Not quite a large enough sample to determine his ultimate placement in the tier, but I expect a modest increase next month. 3. Nidoqueen +4.658% The crazy thing about this is that she was already top 5 in usage before this jump, going from number 4 to number 1 by miles. Take out her biggest check and you have another definite suspect. 4. Absol +4.207% The jump people have been hoping for since forever has finally occurred, and I wonder how much the Psychic-type Cresselia had to do with it. Fortunately, it is still such a good Pokemon that I expect it to stay for good. 5. Emboar +3.452% The most controversial entry on this list, but despite the evidence of spammers raising him up, I'm comfortable supporting him here. He's decent in this tier, and was on the rise before last month. More to come from him later. Biggest Losers since September: 1. Aerodactyl -3.54% One of those Pokemon who I have a hard time explaining. My best guess is that most of this came from people who stopped using the popular suicide lead set, but I'll need to look into item usage more before I make that conclusion. 2. Moltres -3.159% Much lamenting right now. This guy is almost suspect-worthy in terms of talent, and yet he has plummeted almost consistently in each of the three months. 3. Archeops -2.669% Again, as with Aerodactyl, not entirely sure where this came from. However, unlike Aerodactyl, I can't put a finger on a popular but bad set that would count for the usage drop. 4. Electivire -2.506% I find it funny that people will complain about any Pokemon perceived to be bad that garners any more than 3.41% in a month. The truth is, making a Pokemon drop, especially one that was once above 9% usage, is a much slower process than making one rise. Stop complaining, he is falling, just don't start using him and give him enough time and he should fall eventually. 5. Quagsire -2.412% All that time being overshadowed by Poliwrath definitely hurt him. Or I would say so except Poliwrath hasn't really gained the popularity necessary to warrant this drop. Despite being decent, it wouldn't surprise me if he went back to "How the Heck is that NU" status. Fortunes Rising - Rotom-Frost This also applies to other hail abusers, but Rotom-F is known as the best. With his Boltblizz coverage made dangerously abusable in hail, he is arguably the best hail abuser in the tier. Add in the recent reintroduction of the weather and RU status in December-only stats, and Rotom-Frost is due to become a staple in RU. Fortunes Falling - Galvantula Despite a few posts hinting suggesting the contrary, Galvantula has fallen from its top 10 status. Its drop in the past month and a half is ridiculous, and it would require an equally ridiculous rise to counteract that. Its decent, but the amount of support it required warrants its current placement. It may rise in the future, but it has lost its top 10 placement for at least a few cycles, and may fall even further. Bold Prediction of the Month - Emboar stays in RU range In one of the strangest moves of the cycle, Sticky Barb Emboar is now RU. I've heard the comparisons to Molk's Metang run, however, I find a couple important differences. First, Molk actually tried to make it work as well as it could. Second, and in my opinion more importantly, Metang is horrible, while Emboar is not. Add in that Emboar was on the rise (with legitimate items even!) before this bump, and I feel that the Metang regression won't occur, and Emboar being RU in its analysis will keep it in the tier for at least the next round (but not with Sticky Barb).
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Jan 4th, 2013, 4:17:34 PM
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I can't really comment on the rest of the stats because they still don't really reflect what the metagame is like but like DC said it is getting at least a little better.
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Jan 10th, 2013, 2:43:49 PM
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 I too, often ask myself: "what item should my Cinccino use?" And I too, always find that Destiny Knot is the answer. Seems like RU players just wanted to a have a bit of fun this time around.
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Jan 10th, 2013, 4:12:32 PM
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Cinccino was one of the 'mons that the spam team worked to boost. Destiny Knot was apparently their item of choice for Cinccino. Using an item no one uses lets them track how much effect they have.
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Jan 11th, 2013, 7:46:47 AM
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See also: Quick Powder on Scolipede, Sticky Barb on Emboar.
P.S. Cinccino would have gone RU even if the spammers hadn't been there. Considering that according to the Destiny Knot theory, about 25% of Cinccino uses were spammed. The current Cinccino usage is about 5.75%. Therefore, the real usage is three quarters of 5.75, which is about 3.9, well above the 3.41 mark.
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So the most common Emboar set for December would be something like... Emboar @ Sticky Barb Modest 252 Def/252 SpA/4 SpD -Blast Burn -Nothing -Nothing -Nothing Combine this with it's teammates similar trends(which I'll discuss below) my best guess is the spammer picked the 6 Pokemon s/he wanted to inflate usage stats for (coincidentally, they were the 4 NU pokes most likely to rise after November, and 2 of the 3 RU pokes most likely to drop), and then just randomly picked moves, EVs, and items from there, with maybe an exception to Emboar, whose Blast-Burn-only moveset may have been deliberate. Also, one close look at Amoonguss's data reveals the entire spammer's team. A quick check of these guys stats confirms their place on the spammer's team. Their included below, along with the 6th teammate to show the large cutoff between 5 and 6, suggesting a single team.
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Druddigon needs to be suspect-tested, as most of the physical walls in the tier (Steelix, Rhydon, etc.) are weak to Earthquake and/or Superpower. I've seen it on one in two teams recently, and it may be the Durant of January. I don't run a Druddigon counter myself, and I pay for it - even Rhydon can't switch in that easily, and mine has Eviolite.
OU had Garchomp, NU had Cinccino, Ubers had, erm, Bidoof. Now RU has Druddigon, and it has to go. P.S. How do you explain the Amoonguss/Rhydon team pairing? Are they actually good together, or were there two similar groups of spammers, one less active and substituting Rhydon for Scolipede? Bring on Houndoom and Mismagius.
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Jan 12th, 2013, 2:42:56 PM
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Druddigon definitely is not broken. It needs a Choice Band to beat Steelix, which makes it a lot easier to play around. If it is not Choice Band (or LO), it can barely 3HKO Steelix while Steelix can Roar it out or deal some damage with Earthquake. Druddigon also doesn't have any form of reliable recovery, so it will get worn down easily if using Life Orb. If you don't have a Steel-type to take Outrage, you'll usually have to sacrifice a Pokemon which isn't really a problem since a lot of teams use Snover or can just save a weakened Uxie for it. Then you can just revenge kill it with something faster since Druddigon has a pitiful base 48 Speed. It is not comparable to Garchomp in any way. While Druddigon should definitely be in the top 10 most used, it is not by any means suspect-worthy.
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