Pokémon X and Y Discussion

[TaiCrunch]

Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

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This is the greatest thing that could possibly happen to Dunsparce.

[SmashBrosBrawl]

Originally Posted by Fat TaiCrunch

This is the greatest thing that could possibly happen to Dunsparce.

This is the greatest pokemon i have ever seen.

[PlatypusVenom]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

Oh, and: Skarmory baby form, Skarmini. I'd also suggest Skarmory evolution, Skarmega, but everyone would say:

Skarmory with eviolite

And chaos would ensue.

...ya. A skarmory evolution would and should never happen. Not only would skarm get eviolite, the evo would undoubtedly be better. But as for the baby evo, I could (and want to) see that happen. Skarmory is a duo with Mantine and mantyke was made in gen iv. I think it's time to give skarm that long awaited baby evo.

[Basileus]

Originally Posted by Fat PlatypusVenom

...ya. A skarmory evolution would and should never happen. Not only would skarm get eviolite, the evo would undoubtedly be better. But as for the baby evo, I could (and want to) see that happen. Skarmory is a duo with Mantine and mantyke was made in gen iv. I think it's time to give skarm that long awaited baby evo.

I hate baby evolutions, they do nothing but sit there and be cute...

[Halcyon of Light]

Originally Posted by Fat Basileus

I hate baby evolutions, they do nothing but sit there and be cute...

Imagine a little Skarmory in Little Cup! That would be awesome!

[Basileus]

I don't even want to respond to the comment above me it is so ridiculous.

[Green]

Originally Posted by Fat Hank14

Alright, he are some BS speculative sets that I could see becoming competitive for the final evo's of the starters. I am going to assume the fight-dark-psychic triangle as those are the typings that are the most probable (keyword, probable). As I said before, these sets are purely speculative on my part.

Chespin evo (assuming grass/dark type with good HP, Attack, and defense)

-Chestnut Smash
*Leaf Blade
*Night Slash
*Brick Break, Stone Edge
*Shell Smash

I think a set like this would be very similar to Verizion but maybe with a stronger leaf blade and a heavy nerf on the fighting move. I could see a bulky evolution of Chespin having just enough power to take advantage of the smash with a 75 base speed. I don't see it being strong enough to make it in OU, but I could see this set making it in high RU or average UU.

-Spin and Spikes
*Rapid Spin
*Spikes
*Leaf Blade
*Toxic, Roar

Considering one of the possible things Chespin could evolve into is a hedgehog, I could see rapid spin and spikes easily becoming part of its moveset (Hedgehogs can actually curl themselves in a ball to attack, it isn't just Sonic). I see RU as likely with this set as there would be nothing too special about the possible grass dark typing especially. Depending on his stats, there is a chance he could make it into UU by virtue of being a spinner that can place spikes.

-Swords Dance
*Leaf Blade
*Sucker Punch
*Brick Break
*Swords Dance

While I see Shell Smash as a possible move given that part of Chespin's name seems like it is based off of a chestnut, I actually see a swords dance set being popular too. I just have a hard time seeing Chespin's possible typing being good enough to abuse shell smash. Swords Dance, on the other hand, could therotically be able to use his possible bulk to set up and abuse sucker punches. Leaf blade and break break could take down any status users, fighting types that switch in, or steel types. I see this set as RU worthy, maybe UU.

Fennekin evo (Assuming Fire/Psychic, good SpA, an SpeedO

Choice
*Fire Blast
*Psychic/Psyshock
*Focus Blast/Aura Sphere?
*U-Turn, Hidden Power

If the final evolution has good enough speed and attack, I could see him as a possible alternative to Chandlure. His speed might make him a bit easier to slap a pair of spec's on and do some work. Fire blast would be the spam of choice, followed by a psychic to hit those that resist the fire, and the focus blast to smack dark types. I don't see it likely, but I do see Aura Sphere as a possibility if you breed with Lucario. I see this set as UU with good stats, RU with starter average stats. Same tiers as choice.

Nasty Plot
*Fire Blast
*Psychic/Psyshock/(Substitute)
*Focus Blast/Aura Sphere/(Substitute)
*Nasty Plot

Assuming Fennekin could get nasty plot from a breed with Houndoom or Ninetails, this set could make the Fennekin evo very dangerous. A well timed nasty plot or sub leading to nasty plot could destroy. You could take the risk with reword with the 3 attacking moves or you could stick substitute in one of those slots (Depending on what would fit best on your team). I chose this set over calm mind as I do not see Fennekin having the special bulk to take advantage of calm mind.

Fennekin (Assuming fire/ground, good speed, and good SpA or attack)

Choice or Life Orb
*Fire Blast (Flare Blitz if physical)
*Earth Power (Earthquake if physical
*Stone Edge/Hidden Power Ice
*U-Turn

This set imagines a ground type version of Fennekin. While a physical or special set would play differently, I don't think they would look too much different. I don't see a ground type Fennekin evo being having a diverse move pool. This set is probably the best your going to get. Stone edge could hit other fires or hidden power ice could slam eviolite Gligar hard. I could see this set UU as ground type negates the fire type weekness. The movepool or stats might bring him down to RU (see a trend?).

Froakie Evo (Assuming Water/Fighting, good attack, and good speed)

Choice, Belt, or Orb
*Waterfall
*Close Combat
*Stone Edge/Ice punch/Thunderpunch (By breed or future tutor)
*U-turn

A fast frog would probably be best going all out. While water and fighting are both good types, I personally wouldn't use swords dance on it (it could still work good, it just isn't my taste). I would just use this type of evo to hit a lot of pokemon hard and quick. Due to Water/Fighting's boss coverage, I easily see this set making OU. It might end up in UU if the stats are too poor.

Froakie Evo (Assuming Water/Fighting, good attack, and good bulk)

Fisticuffs
*Bulk Up
*Drain Punch
*Mach Punch
*Waterfall

A bulky Froakie evo with drain punch could become a very stubborn sweeper. This set would function very much like Conkeldurr or Scrafty. Bulk up, spam drain punch, and use the priority move or waterfall when needed. Not much else to say. I see this set as UU worthy, possibly OU.

Priority Abuse
*Bulk Up
*Aqua Jet
*Mach Punch
*Drain Punch/Close Combat

Very much like the fisticuffs set, this set swaps the waterfall for the very possible aqua jet. Too very good priorities for the price of one. This set could be even more dangerous if technician or iron fist becomes Froakie's second ability. OU worthy, UU if Froakie gets poor stats.

Froakie Evo (Assuming Water/Electric, good attack, and good bulk)

Something I just made up
*Waterfall
*Wild Charge
*Ice Punch
*Swords Dance/Bulk Up/Earthquake

This set doesn't seem as appealing as the water/fighting sets, but it is my imagining of a psychical water/electric type. It might be able to hit some things hard with decent coverage and your item of choice. Not really OU worthy. It seems to straddle the line for RU or OU. I'm not really sure.

this post gives me shame

[Hank14]

Originally Posted by Fat Green

this post gives me shame

I could take it down. Just was bored so I posted a wall of text
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[R_N]

Originally Posted by Fat Basileus

I hate baby evolutions, they do nothing but sit there and be cute...

I would enjoy babies more if they do what they're supposed to: make pokemon lines more common and available much earlier. BW2 did this the best so far but I'd like to see more

Adding in baby Pokemon that you can only get by breeding is awful (GEN 2 & 3 LOOKING AT YOU)

[breh]

Originally Posted by Fat R_N

I would enjoy babies more if they do what they're supposed to: make pokemon lines more common and available much earlier. BW2 did this the best so far but I'd like to see more

Adding in baby Pokemon that you can only get by breeding is awful (GEN 2 & 3 LOOKING AT YOU)

Incense da best

Gen 4 did this to a certain extent as well, but the problem was that the mons that they did it for were primarily ones that were, well, awful. Mr. Mime is a pretty mediocre Pokemon and Sudowoodo is worse. Baby forms are good for mons that appreciate them, but basically irrelevant otherwise. In any case, I could see something like a baby form for Dunsparce or Girafarig (both of which could be reincorporated into 3-stage lines; the former is actually really strong in the earlygame by itself due to rollout); I really hope they don't do this "only new mons" bs; old gen mons are steadily getting worse with time (some have, of course, stayed terrible since their introduction) and the only way to solve this at the current moment (outside of stat rebalancing and vast movepool changes) is to grant new evolutions if possible.

[labarith]

The only reason to do babies/Pre-evolutions, competitively, is to work with Eviolite or a variant there-of. (Or, I suppose, to do stupid Prankster/whatever things if you're a jerk... which also works with Eviolite!)

Theoretically pre-evolutions could also provide an excuse why this long-time pokemon can't learn this commonsense move that GF wants to give to it, but wants to explain away.

Of course! For Heatran to learn Scald, it had to learn it in it's pre-evolution form, Wateran! It was so obvious!

[Seiklis]

I really want a Marowak evolution Ghost/ground makes the most sense imo and if they could incorporate the missing Marowak graveyard to have it evolve in, it could really work.

Sableye would be my 2nd choice though Breloom getting a stat upgrade could be hilarious

Edit: And how could I ever forget Relicanth, definitely needs a Dunkleosteus evolution (or would it be de-evolution)

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[CountBleck]

Originally Posted by Fat labarith

The only reason to do babies/Pre-evolutions, competitively, is to work with Eviolite or a variant there-of. (Or, I suppose, to do stupid Prankster/whatever things if you're a jerk... which also works with Eviolite!)

Theoretically pre-evolutions could also provide an excuse why this long-time pokemon can't learn this commonsense move that GF wants to give to it, but wants to explain away.

Of course! For Heatran to learn Scald, it had to learn it in it's pre-evolution form, Wateran! It was so obvious!

These are the only reasons competitive people would make babies.

Gamefreak makes babies because they are cute.... and sell merchandise

[shockwave527]

Just had a good move idea while... doing... something....
Anyway, the idea:

Roto-Cannon
Type: Steel
After this moved is used, it's accuracy decreases until another move is used or the pokemon is switched out, and the Pokemon using the move gains immunity to ground types for the next turn. Hits 2-5 times in succession.

[CynicalGiant]

Originally Posted by Fat breh

Incense da best

Gen 4 did this to a certain extent as well, but the problem was that the mons that they did it for were primarily ones that were, well, awful. Mr. Mime is a pretty mediocre Pokemon and Sudowoodo is worse. Baby forms are good for mons that appreciate them, but basically irrelevant otherwise. In any case, I could see something like a baby form for Dunsparce or Girafarig (both of which could be reincorporated into 3-stage lines; the former is actually really strong in the earlygame by itself due to rollout); I really hope they don't do this "only new mons" bs; old gen mons are steadily getting worse with time (some have, of course, stayed terrible since their introduction) and the only way to solve this at the current moment (outside of stat rebalancing and vast movepool changes) is to grant new evolutions if possible.

No point for Dunsparce to get a baby form, considering its pretty much always on an early route.

Originally Posted by Fat inanimate blob

Actually, Dunsparce is a pretty intelligent design. It's based off the tsuchinoko, which is a Japanese legend of a winged serpent like creature. It also has elements of Winged Serpents from other mythologies from around the world, like the Aztecs.

The tail design relates to burrowing bees, putting a more simplistic approach on a complicated real-life animal.

Based on these, it seems fairly logical for Dunsparce to evolve into a Normal/Ground type.

I dont get the logic here.

[shockwave527]

Actually, Dunsparce is a pretty intelligent design. It's based off the tsuchinoko, which is a Japanese legend of a winged serpent like creature. It also has elements of Winged Serpents from other mythologies from around the world, like the Aztecs.

The tail design relates to burrowing bees, putting a more simplistic approach on a complicated real-life animal.

Based on these, it seems fairly logical for Dunsparce to evolve into a Normal/Ground type.

Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

I dont get the logic here.

The tail design relates to burrowing bees, putting a more simplistic approach on a complicated real-life animal.

Based on these, it seems fairly logical for Dunsparce to evolve into a Normal/Ground type.

There's your logic.

[Mario With Lasers]

Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

Give flying types an immunity to hazards, grant same immunity to Levitate users

Completely against. Stealth Rock was made exactly because they were immune to Spikes.

[shockwave527]

We need some kind of hazard-clause option, basically allowing you to choose if you want to play with hazards or not. That'd probably end up creating a whole new set of tiers for non-hazards as pokemon/types that are shit now due to rocks may move up, but that should really be a choice.

[PlatypusVenom]

When do you guys think more confirmed info will come out?

[Halcyon of Light]

Originally Posted by Fat Mario With Lasers

Completely against. Stealth Rock was made exactly because they were immune to Spikes.

Yeah, wanna know how to make Dragonite broken? Make him immune to all types of hazards. Seriously, so many Pokémon would become a million times more broken if they were immune to hazards because they were Flying type or a Levitator. Besides, look at the wording when you use Stealth Rock: "Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!"

float in the air

float in the air

FLOAT IN THE AIR

[czechm8]

I can't hope enough that GF will grant the magnificent dunsparce an evolution that will properly suit his majesty. Obviously he is secretly the serpent that lives under the Nordic tree I can't spell. He clearly evolved a drill tail to escape, GF actually designed these new games solely to show case the beauty of dunsparce. ALL HAIL DUNSPARCE!

(I realize this is all insane)

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat PlatypusVenom

When do you guys think more confirmed info will come out?

Hopefully in Pokemon Smash this weekend, but if not then, most likely in the next Corocoro about a month from now. That's when I'll bet we'll see starter evolutions and MAYBE some other pokemon, the region etc.

[R_N]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

Hopefully in Pokemon Smash this weekend, but if not then, most likely in the next Corocoro about a month from now. That's when I'll bet we'll see starter evolutions and MAYBE some other pokemon, the region etc.

Stop getting your hopes up
They didn't mention it last week and it wasn't in the preview for this week

At best it will probably be talked about in the preview for next week and even then it will probably just be them showing the trailer.




IN ADDITION why would you ever think that they'd show the evolutions before any other Pokemon

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat R_N

Stop getting your hopes up
They didn't mention it last week and it wasn't in the preview for this week

At best it will probably be talked about in the preview for next week and even then it will probably just be them showing the trailer.




IN ADDITION why would you ever think that they'd show the evolutions before any other Pokemon

Hey, pokemon smash would only be my hope. I don't really watch it, so I wouldn't know about previews, so then probably not this week. I'd hope they'd say SOMETHING in Corocoro, and evolutions of the starters is something people really want to see. I think they'd probably also show some others, but yeah.

[R_N]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

Hey, pokemon smash would only be my hope. I don't really watch it, so I wouldn't know about previews, so then probably not this week. I'd hope they'd say SOMETHING in Corocoro, and evolutions of the starters is something people really want to see. I think they'd probably also show some others, but yeah.

gen 5 was the only one to show off starter evolutions pre-release and that was like a month (ish) before BW came out.

The starters weren't even shown in this corocoro!