Pokémon X and Y Discussion

[Redless]

Originally Posted by Fat PlatypusVenom

I think that if they were to add more (and they probably will) it would be Dragon type, as the rest cover all the special types in gen III except dragon. Then they should probably stop before it gets too crazy.

Yes indeed. I wonder what stats the dragon would have? It probably wouldn't be that good due to dragon's poor se coverage, the eeveelutions generally poor coverage, and the plethora of competing dragon types. I do think it would be nice to get a new really good dragon type, as gen V introduced only Hydreigon and Haxorus, neither of which is that amazing.

[Deck Knight]

For people who don't think Eviolite of mons as strong as Skarmory, may I please remind you that Dusclops got an evolution in the very next generation. In fact, the Gen 4 Evolutions had previously existing Pokemon ranging from 430-490 BST, and Skarmory is right in the middle of that range. Dusclops had 10 less BST, if Skarm got a Dusclops-esque boost of +5 HP / +30 Atk / +5 Def / +5 SpA / +5 SpD / +25 Spe it'd be monstrous at 70/110/145/45/75/95.

Remember that Skarmory has both Swords Dance and Agility, and all it would really take to make "Skarmtress" dangerous is something like Drill Run or Superpower. It already has Brave Bird, Iron Head, and Rock Slide (and might get Stone Edge on an evo). On top of that you'd also have Eviolite Skarm running around. The scariest thing about a Skarmtress spread like that is it could run Skarmory's old set, save its Brave Bird was actually threatening to neutral opponents, it has better speed for Taunt, and it technically has even more bulk.

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat Yveltal

On a side note, each eeveelution according to your amazing theory that the developers should totally adopt would get 16 new evolutions each, unless you want a SuperVaporeon, SuperFlareon, etc., where they have the opportunity to evolve into a new second stage evolved mono-type.

Yup

Just imagine normal-normal eevee

He'd have to be pseudo-legendary or something

[PlatypusVenom]

Originally Posted by Fat Redless

Yes indeed. I wonder what stats the dragon would have? It probably wouldn't be that good due to dragon's poor se coverage, the eeveelutions generally poor coverage, and the plethora of competing dragon types. I do think it would be nice to get a new really good dragon type, as gen V introduced only Hydreigon and Haxorus, neither of which is that amazing.

I was intrigued by the draconic eevee, so i did a few calculations and found the best way to give it stats that compensate for the stats of the other eeveelutions.

HP - 130
Atk - 110
Def - 95
SpA - 60
SpD - 65
Spe - 65

[labarith]

Originally Posted by Fat Deck Knight

For people who don't think Eviolite of mons as strong as Skarmory, may I please remind you that Dusclops got an evolution in the very next generation. In fact, the Gen 4 Evolutions had previously existing Pokemon ranging from 430-490 BST, and Skarmory is right in the middle of that range. Dusclops had 10 less BST, if Skarm got a Dusclops-esque boost of +5 HP / +30 Atk / +5 Def / +5 SpA / +5 SpD / +25 Spe it'd be monstrous at 70/110/145/45/75/95.

Remember that Skarmory has both Swords Dance and Agility, and all it would really take to make "Skarmtress" dangerous is something like Drill Run or Superpower. It already has Brave Bird, Iron Head, and Rock Slide (and might get Stone Edge on an evo). On top of that you'd also have Eviolite Skarm running around. The scariest thing about a Skarmtress spread like that is it could run Skarmory's old set, save its Brave Bird was actually threatening to neutral opponents, it has better speed for Taunt, and it technically has even more bulk.

Why are people even talking about evolutions for OU pokemon? I mean, I can see asking for another Steel/Flying type (offensive?), but flat out asking for Skamory to gain 20-50 base stats in relevant stats is just silly greed.

I mean, I don't see people asking for a Kyogre evolution, a Dragonite evolution, a Gyarados evolution, or the like. But Skarmory?

I could, in theory, see a pre-evolution for this... perhaps one designed to abuse eviolite or a variant... but that sounds horrible.

[xKYSx]

Originally Posted by Fat PlatypusVenom

I was intrigued by the draconic eevee, so i did a few calculations and found the best way to give it stats that compensate for the stats of the other eeveelutions.

HP - 130
Atk - 110
Def - 95
SpA - 60
SpD - 65
Spe - 65

that's basically a vaporeon clone except physical side instead of special.

personally I would rather see the dragon type eevee having a BST of something like this;

HP - 80
Atk - 105
Def - 70
SpA - 105
SpD - 70
Spe - 95

and watch gamefreak troll it by not giving it outrage + dragon dance and unable to learn any element beams.

[Gokuzbu]

Originally Posted by Fat xKYSx

that's basically a vaporeon clone except physical side instead of special.

personally I would rather see the dragon type eevee having a BST of something like this;

HP - 80
Atk - 105
Def - 70
SpA - 105
SpD - 70
Spe - 95

and watch gamefreak troll it by not giving it outrage + dragon dance and unable to learn any element beams.

all the Eevees are clones. They have the same stats just rearranged

I wouldn't mind a physical Jolteon for the dragon
95/110/65/60/65/130

[Redless]

Originally Posted by Fat xKYSx

that's basically a vaporeon clone except physical side instead of special.

personally I would rather see the dragon type eevee having a BST of something like this;

HP - 80
Atk - 105
Def - 70
SpA - 105
SpD - 70
Spe - 95

and watch gamefreak troll it by not giving it outrage + dragon dance and unable to learn any element beams.

I don't think such a Pokemon being competitively viable, especially with all the competing dragon types out there. That said, I think that gamefreak could make an eeveelution like this, with its irregular stat distribution, because it still has the same bst, and also because dragon is one of the more offensively mixed typings in Pokemon.

[Skeosh]

Originally Posted by Fat Champion Steve

Here's a thought, springboarding of off some other ideas. As others have said, an Acid Rain ability would be neat, damaging everything but Poison, Dark and Ghost (for example.) It would also activate its weather abilities (Sludge Rush?) and maybe it could remove Steel's immunity to Poison. Idk, something to make Poison less crap on the offensive.

But, and here's my main idea, make Drizzle and Rain Dance unable to remove Acid Rain. Acid Rain is Rain + Pollution. Add rain and you have...Rain+Pollution. It makes sense. To me at least.
I realise this idea is too specific to have much chance of being in, but I'm allowed a little pointless wishmaking, right?

What about a poison move like climate change (lol) or a Dark move called Havoc , where all weather forms are altered for 4-5 turns.

Rain becomes toxic and turns into acid rain (like above)
Sun is blotted out. all benefiting abilities are reversed or halved
Hail becomes larger and unstable damaging everything
Sand becomes too heavy and settles causing all pokemon who move to make physical contact, have their speed halved

or something like that

This would actually be pretty fun and could be played around with to combine weather and said move to a players advantage.

Something that throws a wrench in weather teams plans would be hilarious

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat Skeosh

What about a poison move like climate change (lol) or a Dark move called Havoc , where all weather forms are altered for 4-5 turns.

Rain becomes toxic and turns into acid rain (like above)
Sun is blotted out. all benefiting abilities are reversed or halved
Hail becomes larger and unstable damaging everything
Sand becomes too heavy and settles causing all pokemon who move to make physical contact, have their speed halved

or something like that

This would actually be pretty fun and could be played around with to combine weather and said move to a players advantage.

Something that throws a wrench in weather teams plans would be hilarious

Remembered a weather idea I had that I forgot about.

Tornado:
Lowers flying type moves. In double/triple battles, the attack may not hit the intended target. Sometimes items may switch between pokemon.

Could be interesting, albeit not being viable in the slightest.

[alexwolf]

I would like to see a Rock / Poison, a Fire / Rock, and a Poison / Fire Pokemon, all three with Levitate and Recover. They will have a pretty unique set of resistances, bringing new potential to defensive combos. For example a Rock / Poison Pokemon with Levitate, Recover, and decent defensive stats (90/90/90) will be able to wall some dangerous 5th gen OU threats, namely Torn-T, Gliscor, Heatran, and Volcarona, as well as many special attackers in sand.

Why those 3 type combos? Because all three pair well with each other and with Levitate of 'course, and because those three types are very lacking in terms of good defensive OU pokemon. Not to mention the extra defensive attribute each of those types has (Fire: immune to burn, Poison: immune to Poison and Toxic, Rock: increased SpD under sandstorm).

EDIT: Oh and it isn't unheard of for a Rock-type to get Recover so i can still hope (Cradily, Magcargo, and Corsola).

[Gokuzbu]

Its weird how in the 1st gen Psychic was overpowered and now its a terrible type. I think it needs a little buff like a weather type move where sp.def is raised and psychic moves get a boost.

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat Gokuzbu

Its weird how in the 1st gen Psychic was overpowered and now its a terrible type. I think it needs a little buff like a weather type move where sp.def is raised and psychic moves get a boost.

Brainstorm?

[Gokuzbu]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

Brainstorm?

Lol perfect

[Belbazoar]

Brainstorm sounds pretty awesome..

[Redless]

Psychics would still be very weak to pursuit, but I would use brainstorm just because of its name.

[Scorpio]

Originally Posted by Fat labarith

I anticipate that every pokemon in G6 is a Dunsparce evolution. Each player is given a dunsparce that is wearing a frog suit, a fox suit, or a chestnut suit, which transforms them into the first three of Generation 6's impressive 37 Dunsparce forms. Dunsparce will only evolve when earning a medal while wearing one of these 37 suits, and each suit has a total of 3 evolutions, meaning that there are 111 suit-based evolutions. However, the "legendary" pokemon X, Y, Z, Q, and & are all actually Dunsparce evolutions that occur when he is placed in the daycare with the appropriate Unown holding Evioheavy, the item that gives pokemon that have no futher or previous evolutions an increase speed, special attack, attack, and accuracy by 50%. Oddly, & is an event only Unown with Hidden Power Normal, thanks to a radical overhaul of the IV/EV system that was necessary to include the 13 extra types introduced this generation: Glue, Gold, Silver, Radical, Steampunk, Transformer, Bone, Graveyard, Sleeping, Dopey, Sound, Light, Furry.

Oddly, Dunsparce evolutions are unique insofar as they all have less than half the base stats of the pokemon they evolve from. Furthermore, only Dunsparce evolutions - and Rotom can have one of the new types.

Quiet, GF may be looking!

[Wazzup360]

How about we discuss Sawks en Throhs posibbilities? What would be able to make them OU you guys think?

Evos maybe. Eviolite Throh?

[Nyara]

Originally Posted by Fat alexwolf

I would like to see a Rock / Poison, a Fire / Rock, and a Poison / Fire Pokemon, all three with Levitate and Recover. They will have a pretty unique set of resistances, bringing new potential to defensive combos. For example a Rock / Poison Pokemon with Levitate, Recover, and decent defensive stats (90/90/90) will be able to wall some dangerous 5th gen OU threats, namely Torn-T, Gliscor, Heatran, and Volcarona, as well as many special attackers in sand.

Why those 3 type combos? Because all three pair well with each other and with Levitate of 'course, and because those three types are very lacking in terms of good defensive OU pokemon. Not to mention the extra defensive attribute each of those types has (Fire: immune to burn, Poison: immune to Poison and Toxic, Rock: increased SpD under sandstorm).

EDIT: Oh and it isn't unheard of for a Rock-type to get Recover so i can still hope (Cradily, Magcargo, and Corsola).

Well, Magcargo had Fire / Rock, Recover, and a great physical defense, and somewhat decent special defense (good behind sandstorm), and you can use it with Air Baloon, it's problem, sadly, is it's weakness to water, it can even take a Earthquake and survive, but it can't just take any water attack at all, unless it's behind sandstorm or sunny day, and that attack is not Hydro Pump, but even then he can't do too much against them, the idea was good, but it's weakness to water is too important to make it usable as wall at all, as in OU it's almost impossible to evade a powerful Dragon or water attack. :(

Even then, it's totally usable on even UU (walling like a king the spam of fire attacks on the tier good nice results, and walling almost any not-earthquake physical attack and burning the opponent) and with good results, but sadly, as any type weak to Stealth Rock, spinner, spinner, spinner, and you're entering on a spinner war, seriously, that stupid move make useless ANY defensive Pokémon with a weakness to it, it's just impossible to use their defensive prowess with the 25% or 50% of it's HP stripped for each switch-in.

If Air Baloon were avaible on the Gen. III, and it had Will-O-Whips by those time, I know Magcargo could be rised to at least UU or even OU, but sadly, Game Freak did give him both upgrades at the same time of introducing Stealth Rock, destroying it.

Articuno for example is able to wall a huge number of OU threats thanks to it's supreme defense, good speed, roost, and pressure, but sadly, like any Pokémon weak to Stealth Rock, it can't be used as wall because you can't wall things entering to the field with the half of your HP.

[conway]

Originally Posted by Fat CynicalGiant

Makes sense. They would probably give an evolution to Chatot if Sound type becomes a thing. Same with Kricketune.

They pretty much have to make Sound an incredibly useful type as well, considering Soundproof already exists.

They might also make Z a third new type if they want to bump it up to 20 rather than 19.

The question is though, what could they possibly make the 3rd new type? Psychic is already the mystery type, so Space doesn't work.

My idea is Science type. Pokemon like Ditto, Porygon, Electrode would become Science type since they are synthetic and lab created.

Smell type. Would also fit the third legendary pokemon if it would truly be based of a serpent.

[HabibsHotDogs]

Lol @ psychic being "weak". It's only the 2nd most used type in OU right now (9 pokemon) with approximately another 7 in UU...

GF has been treating psychics really well, they have 2 of the best type exclusive abilities (magic guard, magic bounce). Psychic pokemon tend to have great dual typings and great movepools as well to compliment their STAB's.

I'd rather GF started looking into buffing (in this order): Ice, dark, rock, grass, poison, bug and fire types!

[CynicalGiant]

Originally Posted by Fat Redless

I don't think such a Pokemon being competitively viable, especially with all the competing dragon types out there. That said, I think that gamefreak could make an eeveelution like this, with its irregular stat distribution, because it still has the same bst, and also because dragon is one of the more offensively mixed typings in Pokemon.

Did you forget about Druddigon?

77/120/90/60/90/48

[shockwave527]

Originally Posted by Fat conway

Smell type. Would also fit the third legendary pokemon if it would truly be based of a serpent.

Going of that:

SOUND TYPE: Whismur, Loudred, Exploud, Chatot...
SMELL TYPE: Nosepass, Probopass...
TASTE TYPE: Gulpit, Likitung...
TOUCH TYPE: Aipom, ambipom...
SIGHT TYPE: Claydol, anything with eyes...

This WILL NOT HAPPEN and PLEASE DON'T LET IT HAPPEN

[Nyara]

Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

Going of that:

SOUND TYPE: Whismur, Loudred, Exploud, Chatot...
SMELL TYPE: Nosepass, Probopass...
TASTE TYPE: Gulpit, Likitung...
TOUCH TYPE: Aipom, ambipom...
SIGHT TYPE: Claydol, anything with eyes...

This WILL NOT HAPPEN and PLEASE DON'T LET IT HAPPEN

Voice of reason.

[Count Serperior]

BRAND NEW AND EXCITING IDEA:

Fennekin evolves into a flying fox.
(a large species of bat!)