Pokémon X and Y Discussion - Page 141

Katakiri · Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:01:43 AM

Well that sucks.

So anyway, about that Skarmory evo...

Infernis · Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:15:16 AM

Fuck Skarmory evolutions, we need more evolutions like this.

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Originally Posted by Fat b2j135

you know what rock type that should really get an evolution?

...

Might I suggest a few?
ARMLESSNESS VANQUISHED.

QUAGMORTAR.

KICKS LIKE A GIANT GUN THAT KICKS.

HITMORTLEE.

BANANA METEOR!

TROPICANNON.

I kinda feel bad about that last one, actually.

Yveltal · Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:19:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat Katakiri

Well that sucks.

So anyway, about that Skarmory evo...

Let's just wait until the fifteenth instead of regurgitating old topics of interest, ms. thang. The most sensible consensus is that ToddlerSkarmory would be like Mantyke, only with edited stats to be a young physical wall for early game purposes, or simply to counterbalance Mantine. stat spread = 50/60/120/20/50/45

**R_N** · Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:28:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat tags

r_n's territory,

I feel I've been had

HabibsHotDogs · Feb 2nd, 2013, 4:40:55 AM

holy fuark I just realised a sudowoodoo evolution would literally be awesome. It'd be like the tree pokemon LOL and it could be Grass/Rock and learn head smash later for absolutely rape stabs! (only steels would wall the stabs)

Jolteon Bandit · Feb 2nd, 2013, 5:07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat HabibsHotDogs

holy fuark I just realised a sudowoodoo evolution would literally be awesome. It'd be like the tree pokemon LOL and it could be Grass/Rock and learn head smash later for absolutely rape stabs! (only steels would wall the stabs)

I doubt it would get a grass typing if it did evolve. That's kind of Sudowoodo's whole shtick, "look at me, I'm a tree, use your fire type to beat me" *evil laugh*. I think it would continue to be mono-rock, though maybe with an ability like Sap Sipper to further cement it's "treeness". I also think it would just be a slower, slightly bulkier Rampardos.

HabibsHotDogs · Feb 2nd, 2013, 6:45:48 AM

Yes please, you made a lot of sense there with sap sipper on sudowoodoo, why did GF give marill/miltank sap sipper but not sudowoodoo/heracross.. it makes no sense!

even with just slightly improved stats it'd be pretty cool to use, I already used custap sudowoodoo lead back in DW OU and it was amazing.

**Mario With Lasers** · Feb 2nd, 2013, 7:22:28 AM

Sap Sipper's Japanese name is Herbivore.

I... don't like to think Sudowoodo eats plants. It's like a wolf in sheep clothing. Viscerally speaking.

TM13IceBeam · Feb 2nd, 2013, 8:32:30 AM

miltank getting sap sipper makes like
the perfect sense
it's a cow
cow eats grass???

heracross, idk really, although it seems more based of the one from the anime under ash's possession who has an addiction to sap

shadowclaw191 · Feb 2nd, 2013, 10:35:40 AM

Why isnt anyone speakin of ancient pokemon, fossils. There are always fossils in each region, gsc is part of kanto, so the fossils should be same.

Omastar, kabutops, Aerodactlyl. Not sure how they are related (gen 1 and 2)

Cradily and Armaldo, both live near or In the sea. (Gen 3)

Rampardos and Blastiodon. Both are land Dinos. (Gen 4)

Carracosta and Archeops. They are like the dinos that learned to adapt, archen learned how to fly, tirtouga learned how to walk on land???

Gen 6 first mammal???

There should be fanart of this, i mean, this stuff is a common tend now, so i expect fossils in gen 6.

Seth Vilo · Feb 2nd, 2013, 11:07:43 AM

One reason I thought the fake Pokemon that were disproved last page looked fake to begin with is because they look like mixes of ones we already have. A lot.

Bird: Scraggy/afty's (or even Chespin's) hood, Cinccino's tail, Taillow's wings
Worm: Rotom eyes, Gothita's mouth, RBY Venomoth legs

The worm's death stare into the 3D camera is also odd and terrifying.

Jolteon Bandit · Feb 2nd, 2013, 1:03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat shadowclaw191

Why isnt anyone speakin of ancient pokemon, fossils. There are always fossils in each region, gsc is part of kanto, so the fossils should be same.

Omastar, kabutops, Aerodactlyl. Not sure how they are related (gen 1 and 2)

Cradily and Armaldo, both live near or In the sea. (Gen 3)

Rampardos and Blastiodon. Both are land Dinos. (Gen 4)

Carracosta and Archeops. They are like the dinos that learned to adapt, archen learned how to fly, tirtouga learned how to walk on land???

Gen 6 first mammal???

There should be fanart of this, i mean, this stuff is a common tend now, so i expect fossils in gen 6.

Probably not mammals, although you never know. However, I think we can rest assured that they'll be Rock-type and be pretty good in-game at least. They are most of the time.

Infernis · Feb 2nd, 2013, 1:08:58 PM

A cave bear and a sabertooth tiger would make for interesting ones.

**R_N** · Feb 2nd, 2013, 1:45:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Infernis

A cave bear and a sabertooth tiger would make for interesting ones.

Maybe they could be Rock/Ice if they go for ice-age mammals

Just imagine! x4 weakness to Fighting & Steel, x2 weaknesses to Fire, Rock, Water, Grass, & Ground
Who needs defeatist when the typing would be built-in horrible

Jolteon Bandit · Feb 2nd, 2013, 1:53:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat R_N

Maybe they could be Rock/Ice if they go for ice-age mammals

Just imagine! x4 weakness to Fighting & Steel, x2 weaknesses to Fire, Rock, Water, Grass, & Ground
Who needs defeatist when the typing would be built-in horrible

Lol, yeah, definitely not OU material, seeing that the most common priority moves are Bullet Punch and Mach Punch. Not a good type combination, even in the lower tiers. I was thinking they could also do Rock/Normal, but same problem, Fighting wrecks them. Oh well, it's not like there's a lot of the Fossil Pokemon that have a lot of use in the competitive scene, bar maybe Aerodactyl and Carracosta. And actually, it's only 2x weak to Grass, Ground, Rock and Water. Rock resists Fire, so it would be damaged neutrally by it.

shockwave527 · Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat shadowclaw191

Why isnt anyone speakin of ancient pokemon, fossils. There are always fossils in each region, gsc is part of kanto, so the fossils should be same.

Omastar, kabutops, Aerodactlyl. Not sure how they are related (gen 1 and 2)

Cradily and Armaldo, both live near or In the sea. (Gen 3)

Rampardos and Blastiodon. Both are land Dinos. (Gen 4)

Carracosta and Archeops. They are like the dinos that learned to adapt, archen learned how to fly, tirtouga learned how to walk on land???

Gen 6 first mammal???

There should be fanart of this, i mean, this stuff is a common tend now, so i expect fossils in gen 6.

I would normally agree on that front, however Chespin is actually partially based of the megazastodon (I think it was), the first mammal. So I think they'll stay more ancient here.

**R_N** · Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:16:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jolteon Bandit

Lol, yeah, definitely not OU material, seeing that the most common priority moves are Bullet Punch and Mach Punch. Not a good type combination, even in the lower tiers. I was thinking they could also do Rock/Normal, but same problem, Fighting wrecks them. Oh well, it's not like there's a lot of the Fossil Pokemon that have a lot of use in the competitive scene, bar maybe Aerodactyl and Carracosta. And actually, it's only 2x weak to Grass, Ground, Rock and Water. Rock resists Fire, so it would be damaged neutrally by it.

I actually like things having an additional normal typing. It only gives one weakness (in this case making fighting x2 -> x4), & hey Ghost immunity is neat. It's better than what Ice offers

I forgot that Rock resists fire; I think I was thinking of Ground types.

Jolteon Bandit · Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:20:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat shockwave527

I would normally agree on that front, however Chespin is actually partially based of the megazastodon (I think it was), the first mammal. So I think they'll stay more ancient here.

That's a Megazostradon... it's a rat. Why would they base it off of a prehistoric rat? It looks like any other rodent to me. It would make sense if all of the starters were based on prehistoric animals, but why one obscure rodent. I think it's probably supposed to be a hedgehog if anything, especially since it and it's (presumable) evolutions have endings like -pin, -spike, and -spear. Heck, Chespin's Japanese name is based off the word for hedgehog.

P.S. - R_N ninja'd my edit to include Chespin's Japanese name referencing hedgehogs. -_-

**R_N** · Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:22:48 PM

The japanese name also references hedgehogs. It will be interesting to see if they stick with that or have it turn into other spiky animals. Maybe it could become an echidna?!

Yveltal · Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:35:56 PM

I love the fanbase

It's gonna suck when the speculation starts to die down.

Chespin is not allowed to evolve into a grass-dark. Why? Because Shadow the Hedgehog, that's why!

**R_N** · Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:38:26 PM

the speculation never dies
Once the games come out people just start speculating on the next game

Galladiator · Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:48:16 PM

All I know is, if Fennekin's final evolution turns out to be Fire/Fighting, I will probably flip a table and throw my computer out the window.

shockwave527 · Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:32:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Jolteon Bandit

That's a Megazostradon... it's a rat. Why would they base it off of a prehistoric rat? It looks like any other rodent to me. It would make sense if all of the starters were based on prehistoric animals, but why one obscure rodent. I think it's probably supposed to be a hedgehog if anything, especially since it and it's (presumable) evolutions have endings like -pin, -spike, and -spear. Heck, Chespin's Japanese name is based off the word for hedgehog.

P.S. - R_N ninja'd my edit to include Chespin's Japanese name referencing hedgehogs. -_-

I know that it's NAME is based off that, but look at the different generational starters:
Fire: Chinese Zodiac Animals (Another example of what I am talking about is Cyndaquil, who, while he is a porcupine, relates to the rat in this sense)
Water: Land-based water animals
Grass: Prehistoric
It had a dinosaur, a dinosaur, a dinosaur, and a dinosaur (but as this one was MORE like a turtle, the called it "turtwig". HOWEVER, the design was STILL BASED OFF OF a dinosaur). Gen 5, while being a snake, many believed to be based off of evolution with the eventual loss of legs. Thus, fitting with this theme, is Chespin, who, while he is said to be a porcupine/hedgehog/chestnut, in RELATION TO THE THEMES OF GRASS STARTERS, is supposed to be "the first mammal", AKA the Megazostradon.

**R_N** · Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:43:27 PM

If you're going for that logic it could be literally any prehistoric mammal.
Nothing about that design screams "I AM THE FIRST MAMMAL, THE PREHISTORIC RAT"

edit: Meanwhile, most names are pretty spot-on for their origins. You wouldn't call your rat pokemon after a hedgehog if it was meant to be a rat

It'd be like if Octillery was called Squitillery

Quark · Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:54:20 PM

For Chespin's design, I kind of see it becoming a giant ground sloth. It might be influenced by some of the art I've seen, but it would be a prehistoric animal and a mammal. I don't think an ancient rat fits a starter pokemon, because when I hear rat I still think of your first route rattata.
I know that we already have the Slakoth line, but Slaking looks a lot more like a gorilla than a sloth in my opinion.

Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:01:43 AM	#3501
Katakiri Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 758 Smogon Mobile. Ugh.	Well that sucks. So anyway, about that Skarmory evo... __________________ Take chances, make mistakes, get messy!

Feb 2nd, 2013, 8:32:30 AM	#3509
TM13IceBeam Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 3,246 stuck in the past, locked in the present, banned from the future	miltank getting sap sipper makes like the perfect sense it's a cow cow eats grass??? heracross, idk really, although it seems more based of the one from the anime under ash's possession who has an addiction to sap __________________ Start of turn 24 Natu used Grass Knot! It's super effective! The foe's Corsola lost 31% of its health! Riolu ftw Amazing Rotom-S is amazing KAKUNA i'm dead, don't bother contacting me

Feb 2nd, 2013, 11:07:43 AM	#3511
Seth Vilo Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 426 US East Coast	One reason I thought the fake Pokemon that were disproved last page looked fake to begin with is because they look like mixes of ones we already have. A lot. Bird: Scraggy/afty's (or even Chespin's) hood, Cinccino's tail, Taillow's wings Worm: Rotom eyes, Gothita's mouth, RBY Venomoth legs The worm's death stare into the 3D camera is also odd and terrifying. __________________ This is a haiku. Sometimes haiku's do not rhyme. Refrigerator. Professional Lurker since March, 2009 (And it's Vilo: veye-low, like the i in pie) {Projects: How do I pronounce that Pokemon...?; ...}

Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:48:16 PM	#3522
Galladiator Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,874 Waiting for the winds of change to sweep the clouds away	All I know is, if Fennekin's final evolution turns out to be Fire/Fighting, I will probably flip a table and throw my computer out the window. __________________ 14:15 Ragnarokalex i do believe its time to hit some children with sticks

Feb 2nd, 2013, 4:40:55 AM	#3505
HabibsHotDogs Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 236	holy fuark I just realised a sudowoodoo evolution would literally be awesome. It'd be like the tree pokemon LOL and it could be Grass/Rock and learn head smash later for absolutely rape stabs! (only steels would wall the stabs)

Feb 2nd, 2013, 6:45:48 AM	#3507
HabibsHotDogs Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 236	Yes please, you made a lot of sense there with sap sipper on sudowoodoo, why did GF give marill/miltank sap sipper but not sudowoodoo/heracross.. it makes no sense! even with just slightly improved stats it'd be pretty cool to use, I already used custap sudowoodoo lead back in DW OU and it was amazing.

Feb 2nd, 2013, 10:35:40 AM	#3510
shadowclaw191 Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 46	Why isnt anyone speakin of ancient pokemon, fossils. There are always fossils in each region, gsc is part of kanto, so the fossils should be same. Omastar, kabutops, Aerodactlyl. Not sure how they are related (gen 1 and 2) Cradily and Armaldo, both live near or In the sea. (Gen 3) Rampardos and Blastiodon. Both are land Dinos. (Gen 4) Carracosta and Archeops. They are like the dinos that learned to adapt, archen learned how to fly, tirtouga learned how to walk on land??? Gen 6 first mammal??? There should be fanart of this, i mean, this stuff is a common tend now, so i expect fossils in gen 6.

Feb 2nd, 2013, 1:08:58 PM	#3513
Infernis Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 482	A cave bear and a sabertooth tiger would make for interesting ones.

Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:22:48 PM	#3519
R_N Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,309	The japanese name also references hedgehogs. It will be interesting to see if they stick with that or have it turn into other spiky animals. Maybe it could become an echidna?!

Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:35:56 PM	#3520
Yveltal I could be banned! Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 630 From the House of Precious	I love the fanbase It's gonna suck when the speculation starts to die down. Chespin is not allowed to evolve into a grass-dark. Why? Because Shadow the Hedgehog, that's why!

Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:38:26 PM	#3521
R_N Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,309	the speculation never dies Once the games come out people just start speculating on the next game

Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:43:27 PM	#3524
R_N Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 2,309	If you're going for that logic it could be literally any prehistoric mammal. Nothing about that design screams "I AM THE FIRST MAMMAL, THE PREHISTORIC RAT" edit: Meanwhile, most names are pretty spot-on for their origins. You wouldn't call your rat pokemon after a hedgehog if it was meant to be a rat It'd be like if Octillery was called Squitillery

Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:54:20 PM	#3525
Quark Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 48 In my secret base, it's a secret.	For Chespin's design, I kind of see it becoming a giant ground sloth. It might be influenced by some of the art I've seen, but it would be a prehistoric animal and a mammal. I don't think an ancient rat fits a starter pokemon, because when I hear rat I still think of your first route rattata. I know that we already have the Slakoth line, but Slaking looks a lot more like a gorilla than a sloth in my opinion.