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Feb 3rd, 2013, 2:04:15 PM
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Ubers Stats - January 2013
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Feb 3rd, 2013, 2:39:57 PM
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Glad to see Lugia drop 3 spots since December. Maybe people are finally starting to realize it's shit.
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Feb 3rd, 2013, 4:21:37 PM
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Arceus Fighting went up 8 slots! NICE! :) I like it! Glad to see Zekrom up a little bit as well. :)
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Feb 3rd, 2013, 4:30:02 PM
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Just as an fyi - the year is 2013, not 2012
Anyway, did anyone else notice how Latias and Latios almost got identical normal usage this month?
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Feb 3rd, 2013, 8:09:21 PM
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| 12 | Ho-Oh | 16.14093% | 14219 | 14.969% | 11435 | 14.979% |
It's no surprise to me, once this thing is in and the sun is up, something is going to die. Kyogre takes 65%+ from brave bird, t-tar hates burn. |
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| 47 | Omastar | 2.20439% | 1675 | 1.763% | 1158 | 1.517% |
This needs to be user more. The sheer power of a Life Orb Hydro Pump @ 2 in rain is ridiculous. |
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Feb 4th, 2013, 11:47:26 AM
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| 6 | Ferrothorn | 20.73238% | 17171 | 18.076% | 14847 | 19.448% |
One of the best pokemon in the game. Power Whip and Gyro Ball hit many pokemon very hard; it can set up hazards on stuff like Lugia and Giratina that try to wall you; it can TWave predictable incoming Rayquaza; and it can use leech seed more effectively than any other pokemon barring Whimsicott. | 8 | Rayquaza | 19.09595% | 18519 | 19.495% | 14027 | 18.374% | Yay! A slow, frail sweeper weak to two of the most common attacking types found in the tier! Why isn't this top 5? | 12 | Ho-Oh | 16.14093% | 14219 | 14.969% | 11435 | 14.979% | Keep rocks off the field, and this thing will claim at least two lives a match on average. Since spinners have poor synergy on Sun teams, Magic Bouncers are better at keeping Hazards off the field (though they can be predictable). Sacred Fire/Brave Bird hits almost everything extremely hard in sunlight, and Flame Charge assists its mediocre speed. | 14 | Genesect | 15.34071% | 13212 | 13.909% | 11373 | 14.898% | Very strong mon. Hard to believe this was OU at one point. It can U-turn away from potential walls, hit very hard with Iron head and explosion, and nuke dragons with Ice Beam. The threat of flamethrower keeps Ferrothorn at bay. | 15 | Arceus-Ghost | 14.96346% | 11687 | 12.303% | 9055 | 11.861% | The second best pokemon in the game, next to Kyogre. I honestly believe that. It can come in on a Terrakion Close Combat and set up a Calm Mind. It is also a great lead against Genesect if you are willing to show it that early. Focus Blast can hit stuff like Excadrill and EKiller for heavy damage. Oh yeah; it also spinblocks in addition to being a nasty attacker. I prefer this to both Giratina formes. | 20 | Deoxys-Speed | 12.22871% | 10401 | 10.949% | 9883 | 12.946% | The premier entry hazard setter in this game. It's incredibly difficult to stop from getting two entry hazards up. Trick variants are also annoying. | 25 | Latios | 7.25630% | 6200 | 6.527% | 4845 | 6.347% | Beast. Ferrothorn walls this unless you run HP Fire (not viable IMO because you lose a speed IV, making Latios slower than other Latios and the uncommon max speed Latias), but it breaks stall other wise. Lugia, Giratina, pink Blobs, Ho-Oh, and the dangerous Arceus Water all hate this thing. Latios can surprise its opponent with Thunder Wave or Magic Coat as well. I actually think this is better than Mewtwo. | 30 | Manaphy | 4.66047% | 4293 | 4.519% | 3097 | 4.057% | I have lost to this thing only once. The Calm Mind set is OK but Manaphy doesn't have the bulk to run Tail Glow. Sure, it breaks stall but stall isn't common enough to warrant this thing's inclusion on a team. It also wishes it had a better movepool. | 32 | Kabutops | 3.86151% | 2982 | 3.139% | 2021 | 2.647% | Kabutops is a monster that can maul opposing rain teams. I like the Choice Band set with aqua jet, waterfall, low kick, and stone edge to beat Excadrill even in sand. You can tell how good a pokemon is by looking at the difference between the first and third columns. Kabutops was only used on 3.139% of all teams, yet is weighted in at almost 3.9%. It can also check Extremekiller adequately (though Omastar does this better). This thing should be Top 20. A shame that Groudon and Giratina wall this. | 35 | Blissey | 3.50796% | 4151 | 4.370% | 3206 | 4.200% | | 37 | Chansey | 3.31273% | 3043 | 3.203% | 2475 | 3.242% | Leftovers isn't worth it. Blissey cannot take physical hits, while Chansey can. Blissey cannot take Reshiram's Blue Flare in Sunlight; Chansey can. Chansey is slightly more susceptible to entry hazards, but its bulk makes it worth it. Aromatherapy, Toxic, Thunder Wave, Wish, and Stealth Rock give Chansey a variety of options to help support her team. | 38 | Hippowdon | 3.12678% | 2645 | 2.784% | 2496 | 3.270% | Well deserved jump in usage. It can take physical hits like a champ, set up Stealth Rock, and Toxic. It doesn't have the many crippling weaknesses that T-Tar has either, ensuring that it doesn't need Focus Sash. To be honest, I prefer this to TTar, as it performs better against physical attackers than TTar does against special attackers. Hippo can also phaze extremekiller at least once a match, assuming it doesn't get past +2. | 45 | Tornadus-Therian | 2.41465% | 2607 | 2.744% | 1973 | 2.584% | This isn't OU. This thing is terrible and dies to a light breeze. If you want a frail sweeper, use Deoxys-Attack. Regenerator is useless on something as frail as this. | 47 | Omastar | 2.20439% | 1675 | 1.763% | 1158 | 1.517% | Have used this over 300 times now and can attest to how good it is. It can set up on a choice-locked Garchomp Outrage, Kyogre Ice Beam, Palkia Fire Blast, etc. set up and sweep if given entry hazards by its BFF Ferrothorn. Even without a shell smash boost, it can easily revenge Mewtwo and Extremekiller (after one layer of hazards). Unlike Kabutops, Omastar's rampage isn't stopped by Groudon switching in...Groudon hates both Hydro Pump and Ice Beam, and if it smashes you have to fodder something (while praying it doesn't smash again on the switch) and send in a predictable scarfer to hit it with a dragon or electric move. At that point, Ferrothorn can come in, take absolutely no damage and set up entry hazards, continuing your teams momentum. Even if it doesn't sweep your opponents team, it can do severe damage. Unfortunately, it sucks against opposing rain teams as much as Kabutops sucks against Sun. It also needs a better 4th option, as Earth Power only hits Tentacruel and Dialga and HP Dragon is just awful. | 48 | Ditto | 2.19629% | 2188 | 2.303% | 1756 | 2.300% | Useless against stall; great against hyper offense. | 58 | Arceus-Fighting | 1.60944% | 1288 | 1.356% | 997 | 1.306% | How is this only one spot above Gastrodon? Fighting is an excellent typing in Ubers, and this hits Ferrothorn and Extremekiller very hard. | 59 | Gastrodon | 1.49959% | 1376 | 1.449% | 1083 | 1.419% | One of the worst pokemon in the game. Can wall Kyogre and do almost NOTHING else. Use Latias to wall Kyogre. | 60 | Sableye | 1.46560% | 1235 | 1.300% | 1028 | 1.347% | This thing is terrific, assuming WOW hits its intended physical attacker. Priority Recover is excellent and Foul Play hits most Ubers very hard. Sableye is not always reliable, and struggles to take special hits, bu it can perform admirably. | 63 | Xatu | 1.38794% | 1032 | 1.086% | 821 | 1.075% | Espeon is better...Xatu can wall Groudon and set up Screens but is dead weight against rain teams. Espeon hits all main weather setters hard with Grass Knot/HP Fighting and can Yawn away potential set-up sweepers. | 64 | Abomasnow | 1.27356% | 1386 | 1.459% | 1246 | 1.632% | I have seen only one good hail team in Ubers (Devlind). Even then, it is beatable once you know the sets. I tried this out and had only moderate success. It can perform well against Kyogre and Groudon without Fire Punch, but simply isn't good enough on its own to be in the Ubers tier. Not horrible, but well below average. | 69 | Bisharp | 0.99744% | 790 | 0.832% | 575 | 0.753% | This thing is awesome. With its typing it can set up Swords Dance fairly easily. From there, it can use Low Kick to deal 120 damage to almost everything in Ubers, Sucker Punch Scarfers, and Night Slash Giratina and Lugia. Can sweep unprepared teams. Beware: it HATES stall and Groudon. | 72 | Arceus-Fire | 0.95156% | 904 | 0.952% | 727 | 0.952% | Stealth Rock and Rain are all over the place. Don't use this. | 73 | Shedinja | 0.87380% | 856 | 0.901% | 610 | 0.799% | 73??!? Above Arceus-Dragon? What can this d again? Sure it can wall Kyogre, but can't do anything in return other than Toxic. Ferrothorn bait. | 78 | Arceus-Dragon | 0.83756% | 993 | 1.045% | 828 | 1.085% | One of the few viable mono-attacking Arceus forms, as Dragon is resisted by only Steel. Once Ferrothorn/Dialga are out of the way, a Sub-CM set can slowly sweep an opponent. | 85 | Ludicolo | 0.63735% | 627 | 0.660% | 505 | 0.662% | Very underrated. Rain Dish variants wall Kyogre and can annoy with Leech Seed and toxic; Swift Swimmers hit adequately and have great coverage (Hydro Pump, Ice Beam, Focus Blast, Grass Knot). The 90 base special attack is a disappointment. | 86 | Whimsicott | 0.57830% | 526 | 0.554% | 449 | 0.588% | I like this thing. Too bad the ubiquitous Ferrothorn with minimal attack investment break its subs and therefore wall it to hell and back. This also hates Toxic Spikes. With that said, it can annoy an unprepared team effectively. | 87 | Politoed | 0.57537% | 877 | 0.923% | 804 | 1.053% | I wonder how many of these came from OU players who entered OU battles by mistake? Obviously Politoed is horrible. | 91 | Celebi | 0.51666% | 870 | 0.916% | 696 | 0.912% | Specially defensive Celebi are pretty good. They can Leech Seed, Status, and do other things to support your team. The weaknesses suck, but this needs more usage. | 100 | Arceus-Poison | 0.43888% | 375 | 0.395% | 296 | 0.388% | This is actually decent, sporting two neat resistances and absorbing Toxic Spikes. It can Thunder Wave, set up Stealth Rock, use Ice Beam, Toxic, and do a variety of things to support your team. It's not the best Arceus form, but I have seen skilled people use this. Definitely better than 100. Finally, Charizard is bad, but honestly a Scarf/Solar Power set is better than some of the shit ahead of it (Alakazam, Shedinja, Metagross, etc.) It's not good, but I guess it can work with Magic Bounce support. It's just too outclassed by Ho-Oh (and Moltres) to warrant usage and stacking fire-flying types isn't a great way to ascend the ladder. |
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Feb 4th, 2013, 2:54:19 PM
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Usage doesn't reflect viability, anybody commenting on the Ubers stats should know this already. The same applies to OU's stats (although not to the same extreme thank goodness) where things like Infernape have/had inflated usage while Deo-D, Keldeo, and Torna-T were heavily underused. You also can not make a blanket statement concerning Eviolite as its worth depends on the Pokemon being compared. To provide a counter example, I would like to remind you of the tier placement of Dusclops vs Dusknoir. (Mind you, I'm not going to argue usage = viability. I'm just pointing out an inaccuracy in your own argument.) I don't want to go into details on Blissey vs Chansey as I've beaten that dead horse beyond any ethical measure but I will say that you can not dismiss the damage you receive switching into attacks any more than you can ignore passive damage.
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Feb 5th, 2013, 9:11:36 PM
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| 136 | Quagsire | 0.16825% | 169 | 0.178% | 145 | 0.190% |
This is a cool check to a boosted EKiller. Unaware allowed it to ignore Swords Dance boost and its high defense stat allows it to take +0 extremespeeds well. It also does decently against Zekrom unless mixed. Beware: it cannot take special attacks well at all. | 142 | Beartic | 0.15564% | 157 | 0.165% | 113 | 0.148% | It loses to every scarfer even in rain and unlike Kabutops, Omastar, and Kingdra has no way of boosting its speed. Its attack stat is good, but I wish it were 10-15 base points higher. This is a pokemon that is close to being good, but falls short in the stats category. |
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Second of all, Rayquaza has a severe case of the 4 moveslot syndrome. Without a fire move, Ferrothorn can wall it. Without running Draco Meteor or Earthquake, Rayquaza loses to full health Omastar (a pokemon it's supposed to be checking) because it never OHKO's with Outrage and is murdered right back with ice beam. Rayquaza almost always loses to Choice Scarf Salamence, Palkia, and Terrakion unless Rayquaza has at least two boosts or their moves miss. Rayquaza wishes it could run Draco Meteor, VCreate/Fire Blast, Dragon Dance, Extremespeed, Earthquake, and Dragon claw, but can only use 4 of those moves. Rayquaza is good against Stall (though it HATES Lugia), but struggles against hyper offensive teams that hit it too hard and too quickly. |
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Feb 6th, 2013, 10:28:24 AM
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| 70 | Arceus-Dark | 0.99324% | 1014 | 1.067% | 809 | 1.060% |
This needs to be used more. Its SpD support set works well with Great Wall Gira-A due to typing. It can sponge draco meteors from Latios like they were pebbles, heal off the damage, then Payback for the OHKO, as well as phazing via roar. When physical threats, like EKceus, pop up, then Gira-A can set them on fire, and DTail them off the field.
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Feb 6th, 2013, 3:20:28 PM
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A lot of thing can already check Lati@s. The only reason for using Darkceus over any other Arceus in a stall/stallish team is for his ability to check Mewtwo, nothing else, really. The metagame is too fast and powerful for him to be really useful.
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And why is Blaziken higher than Lati@s,Skymin,Manaphy,terrakion ?_?
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Well I guess it's time for me to put in my five cents about all this.
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An interesting point could be made about Omastar, since it has an average weight of .88. Of course, we know that it's Sweep who is thrashing the ladder and taking a lot of high spots there, so does that make Omastar a high tier Pokémon? Well, since Sweep acheived high ladder scores with it, it's surely a fact that it works. But then again, ladder rating is never a good estimation of a player's skill unless it's really high (>2000). The point being made, and the question I would like to raise is weather or not the ladder's presumable low skill (I have heard a lot of talk about that) can simply make any viable Pokémon's average weight a lot higher than it should have been if used by the average ladderer. I have a lot of other thoughts on the usage stats as well, but I wanna raise some discussion about the average weight system and what information you can extract from it first!
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That's a tough question. Xatu, Omastar, and Kabutops are the three highest rated pokemon in terms of overall weight, and while they are good, I don't think anyone would argue that they are literally the most powerful pokemon in all of Ubers. I do think that large differences in performance can be useful in determining a pokemon's worth the higher up in usage you go, because there is more of a sample size. For example, Rayquaza checks in with a poor weight of .688. Because Rayquaza is used so often, this poor rating indicates that many teams that use it struggle. Ferrothorn, however, has an average weight of .82. This shows that teams that use this are more often than not successful.
Though not every team with Rayquaza stinks, nor is every Ferro-based team good, the sample size for the two is more than enough to indicate that Ferro is more effective in this meta than Rayquaza is. The further down you go, the less information would be gleaned from weight. Suppose that for some reason that Arceus-Ghost was only used 5 times this month. In those matches, it went 2-3, and therefore will receive a low weight. Now, I recently made a trollish team with an Arceus-Grass check (toxic/light screen METANG!) and went 4-1. Does this make Metang better than Ghostceus, or just about anything other than Magikarp? Of course not. |
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Ok, i'll jump into the Rayquaza debate. First off, the classic DD set mostly sucks balls imo. Its incredibly difficult to set up what with Rayquaza's lack of resistances, SR weakness blah blah, and secondly even if you manage to set up, its not too hard to just Rayquaza out by bringing in a check (read Arceus variant of choice). Next time Rayquaza comes in chances are it will take another 25% in damage and wont be able to set up. Against offensive or even balanced teams DD Ray has a grand total of 0 chances to set up while stall based teams will usually run a Lugia or some other solid Quaza check.
This brings me to my point. DD Mixed Quaza. This is my favorite Quaza set and is still quite viable in the current metagame. Keep in mind, Quaza's main problem is not lack of openings but inability to create a prolonged sweep. DD Mixed Quaza is one of the most effective lures out there. When you've got it in, most of the times you can fire off a LO max DM, anything not steel will take a huge hit in the face. Fire Blast is obviously there in the back for a Ferrothorn. The point about this set is that it optimizes what Quaza does best, applies a huge amount of pressure on any team archetype thanks to its sheer firepower and unpredictability. Lastly, stuff like team weights provide a general idea of whats being used in the laddder and where. I disagree that they index the utility of any Pokemon. To produce a small example, if i understand how the average weight is implemented, any particular Research Week Pokemon would have have a high average weight for a particular month, if a player got to a high enough rank with it. Idk someone could probably get a high rank with just 5 mons + wurmple / useless mon.
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