|Feb 2nd, 2013, 12:25:05 PM||#1|
Join Date: Dec 2012
Extremely offensive Rain team! (With a few Tweaks)
The older team I used was okay, but after testing it some more, I found that some pokemon weren't needed, and other things. I also kept trying to not making any huge weaknesses when making the team. Unlike most rain teams I have saw, this one doesn't need a Gastrodon for soaking in electric types, or a grass or flying type for grass types. With that being said, I think that works great, but it does have its drawbacks. First off, not many pokemon on this team can use rain to its advantage fully. There's only two water type pokemon on this team: Poiltoed, and Gyarados. While I think it's okay, I dislike teams that have a huge weakness to a certain type to where you need a pokemon to soak in all the attacks because it gets to the point where it is so bad. So, instead of focusing on pokemon who could use rain and have 5 water types on this team, (I'm not exaggerating. While using this team, I saw a person using a rain team with 5 water types, and a Swampert for electric types) I focused on pokemon whose types, moves, and accuracy would be covered by the rain. Instead of choosing Vaporeon and 3 other water types, I chose Scizor because not only did this team need an excellent check for Terrakion, Obamasnow, Tyranitar, and Kyurem-B, but also because in the Rain, fire type moves are weakened. This means the Bulky, Choice Band, Scizor can survive even two fire attacking moves before it goes down. Another example of this would be Thundurus-T. Thundurus-T is excellent in the rain. It's STAB Thunder with only 70% accuracy get's boosted up to 100%. It works great because its STAB Thunder, which already hits hard with its 120 base power, but with Expert belt sometimes, it can be pretty deadly.
While testing out this team, I felt it worked great, but I also felt it relied to heavily on rain on some cases; and other times, Rain didn't seem that beneficial to the team. Pokemon like Hippowdown and Tyranitar on the same team are a huge problem to this team. With two pokemon capable of setting up Sand and Stealth Rocks, both Tyranitar and Hippowdown become a huge threat to this team. With no pokemon to phaze out the other pokemon, and this team only has one pokemon that can set up weather, I have trouble with those type of teams. I started to test this team more and more, and as I did, I changed things up more and more. No longer is there a pokemon to check for Gastrodon or Swampert. Also, when I was testing this team, I found some threats to this team also. This team looks great, but sometimes it doesn't handle that well. Often times I'll be doing fine and then I'm stuck wondering what to do. So, I changed this team up. It works better than it did before, but sometimes it still feels like it needs work because of how versatile the OU meta game is.
Setting up this team, I instead focused on what this team could benefit from Rain, instead of putting 3 or 4 water type pokemon with Gastrodon so soak up electric attacks, and a flying type for grass type attacks. Battling against rain teams with this team, I had found Thundurus-T wrecks opposing Rain teams. With moves like Thunder, Grass Knot, HP Ice, Focus Blast, Nasty Plot, Substitute, Volt Switch, and Taunt as possible moves that can shut down Rain teams, I didn't want too many pokemon that are weak to those moves. I also focused on things that Rain can cover, instead of what attacks it boosts. This is why I tried creating a synergy between pokemon, and also trying to think of ways the pokemon can benefit from Rain. Even if it is a Rain team, I always try to make a balanced team where there are only two pokemon weak to the same type. For example: Gyarados and Politoed are weak to Electric, Thundurus-T and Latios are weak to Ice, Thundurus-T and Gyarados are weak to Rock, ect...
Being that this is an offensive Rain team, I wanted it to be a balanced Rain team, with only two pokemon Maximum being weak to the same type, even if I do have a scarfed pokemon capable of doing great damage and taking out Threats that may be a problem. This is why there aren't many water type pokemon on a Rain team. I didn't want too many pokemon of the same type on the same team, as Thundurus-T are common in OU, I didn't want my team to have any glaring weaknesses in it, and being able to have a great offensive core, with some pokemon being a little bulky.
Team at a Glance
Team Building Process
In Depth Analysis
Politoed (M) @ Choice Specs
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 Spd
- Hydro Pump
- Focus Blast
- Hidden Power [Grass]
Thundurus-Therian (M) @ Expert Belt
Trait: Volt Absorb
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Focus Blast
- Volt Switch / Grass Knot
Scizor @ Choice Band
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spd
- Bullet Punch
Donphan @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
IVs: 0 Spd
- Stealth Rock
- Rapid Spin
- Ice Shard
- Earthquake / Counter
Gyarados @ Leftovers
EVs: 74 HP / 252 Atk / 182 Spd
- Dragon Dance
- Aqua Tail
- Ice Fang / Earthquake
Latios (M) @ Choice Scarf
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
- Draco Meteor
- Psychic / Energy Ball
I'm Hyper Sonic, or Lightning Dust on Pokemon Showdown, and with this team, I was able to create many sweeps on Pokemon Showdown. I'm ranked at 1476 on Hyper Sonic in just a few battles. It worked out very well, and with my decision two pokemon weak to the same type worked out perfectly. I didn't have trouble dealing with Electric or grass types because I didn't make it like that. I just tried focusing on the things that are helped with Rain, instead of throwing a whole bunch of different water types in there, but because of that, I feel like this team gains almost nothing from Rain sometimes. Sometimes after Politoed faints and I lose the weather war, I still don't have much trouble because I didn't focus on that type of thing; or maybe, it's because I'm that good? Either way, This team has grown on me, and I love Rain Teams a lot more now because I actually got better in Pokemon and I was able to construct my own teams without having to look up movesets. I had won more battles with this team than I have with all my other teams as well.
Thank you for reading this far. I tried to make this team easy and simple to read and rate, and also a little interested to read as well.
Last edited by Lightning Dust; Feb 9th, 2013 at 8:29:16 PM. Reason: added changes
|Feb 2nd, 2013, 1:22:00 PM||#2|
Join Date: Oct 2012
I tell you I'm a Tensai
Hi that's a nice offense team, that's the kind of teams I like to rate !
However, I can see some things you could improve considering the weaknesses.. Which ones ?
Here I go for the weaknesses :
- I think you're in bad bad situation against another offense, especially the Deoxys-D ones. You can't really contain them from putting hazards bar killing the Deoxys-D in two turns with Politoed. And then, you're locked, someone will set-up !
Your Donphan won't be able to spin against a Gengar and will even get killed 1v1.
- I see Rotom-W walling a good part of the team and dealing serious damages. Toed is forced out by volt-switch and your Electric resistance take a big chunk from any Rain Boosted HPump
- You're pretty weak to Sun teams. Your offense usually don't like to fight too much for the weather. On the other hand, Sun teams are built to fight for their weather. Thus, you'll have to deal with a Venusaur under sun.. and I don't see how you can do it. Especially when we know how Donphan is hard to use against a classic sun.
Let's stick to that for the weaknesses.
My changes :
- A pretty classic change for any Rain offense, Terrakion lead over Donphan. This way, you got a fast Taunter to beat Deoxys-D teams, and to put SR asap. Which is really important in an offense.
Moreover, you got a last resort check to Volcarona, which is always good to have because many pokemons here will have issues beating a Volcarona under the Sun.
Minor changes :
- On Politoed. Switch Psychic to Ice Beam, you're not weak to Toxicroak at all, you will prefer the Ice Beam coverage. And it's really hard to catch a Croak on the switch when you get locked right after. You can't afford that in an offense. You can't let a Dragon rampage through your team like that.
Or you can change the item (Splash Plate, Water Gem, Expert-Belt..), but at least get Ice Beam on HP Grass.
- On Thundurus. Give a shot to the Agility set. Agility on your last slot and you're good to go for a easy sweep.
- Gyarados. You really need a way to hit bulky grass and Venusaur, Volcarona, Keldeo harder. To me, a Bounce set is just what you need for a late game sweep. Now that you got Terrakion as Taunter, play a Sub/DD set with Bounce and WaterFall as offensive. You're less prone to be revenged by a Rotom-W with a Substitute set.
THE SETS :
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|Feb 2nd, 2013, 2:39:32 PM||#3|
Join Date: May 2011
Known that the team is a bit 'weak against Rotom-W especially in its bulky holding practically the whole team and the only one who can get on Rotom-W is Latios but if it takes a Thunder Wave or Will-o-Wisp then little can be done too. Without changing things too much advice to change moveset on Gyarados to solve the problem by putting SubDDancer. Gyarados when it enters the field is a perfect bait to attract Rotom-W which will certainly Volt Switch, so you use Substitute before him and him hitting the Substitute will not do you nothing, doing nothing but go away on its own, giving maybe time to your Gyarados to perform another Dragon Dance.
As for Thundurus-T suggest you go to Double Booster moveset with Lum Berry, since you already have two Revenge-killer in the team that Scizor and Latios and then because it is able to do great damage to the enemy team with STAB and Thunder Hidden Power Ice for Landorus, Gliscor and Dragons in general. The things that would be able to stop are not many counting that also withstands the most common priority as Scizor Bullet Punch or Mach Punch Breloom.
Moving on to other smaller changes suggest you try to use Politoed with these evs: 120 HP / 252 SAtk / 136 Spd with Ice Beam > Psychic. Evs in the SPD are used to outrun defensive Rotom-W and hit it with Hidden Power Grass, after being KO and not be stalled by hitting Gastrodon effectively too. The 120 Evs in HP allow you to still maintain a good bulkyness the rest is all in special attack.
For Scizor uses these evs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Spd with these evs take less damage from Stealth Rock when you enter the field.
Latios is much better for the Timid> Modest, to kill Keldeo Scarf, Scarf Salamence, and in order not to lose speed against other Latios but play the Speed Tie for the moves is better Psychock instead of Psychic Energy Ball or to kill Keldeo Calm Minder for example, and to do more damage on Blissey and Amoonguss.
Thunder do not know how it will be useful, I'd rather Trick to block any annoying wall, the Thunder hit only water Pokemon that are hit neutrally by Draco Meteor and Pokemon that are flyng again hit neutrally by Draco Meteor, I'd rather Trick I repeat, to embarrass any stall team.
Last edited by Mr. Green; Feb 2nd, 2013 at 4:19:04 PM.
|Feb 2nd, 2013, 3:07:39 PM||#4|
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Join Date: Jun 2011
You seem to be weak to Wash, Keldeo, DubDance ThundyT, SubCM Jirachi, and most sun teams. Some of your sets can also do with some clean up.
Firstly, Politoed does not want to be locked into Psychic. Psychic is only viable on the Bluff Politoed so it can hit Toxicroak or Keldeo. I would follow Remedy's lead here and go for Ice Beam instead, as the water + ice coverage is invaluable. Finally, a small investment of 24 Spe evs should outpace Wobby and Skarm, as well as min-invested Heatran and Scizor.
Secondly, I think you should drop Expert Belt for Choice Scarf on Thundurus-T. It's amazing coverage and power makes it a much more useful scarfer than Latios (and tbh the scarf set is much more surprising than the EB set so you'll be netting more surprise KOs with its speed tier), who is too weak to really abuse Draco Meteor (or any other move). I'd sack Latios for bulky LO Latias. Latias is an easy check to Thundurus-T who set up +2 (in either stat, so long as its not +2 satk AND +2 spe, as it can Draco OHKO). Latias also solves Rotom-W, easily tanking most of its hits, it can also wall Keldeo to death (and providing something for sun).
Give Scizor 248 Hp evs instead of 252, so it can switch into SR a bit more, and then put the other 4 evs into speed to hit 8. Donphan would rather keep its STAB of Earthquake over Counter, as Counter discourages it maintaining bulk and longevity, which, seeing as Donphan wants to maintain as much bulk as possible, I would stick to EQ (not to mention EQ is your only means of checking Terrakion).
On Gyara, I would use Substitute and Bounce over Taunt and Ice Fang / Earthquake. Its much more aggressive as a sweeper and it can sweep sun teams easier given you get an early set up (and bounce is also resourceful for hitting Venu, as well as forcing Keldeo out). Substitute should not break from Tenta's scalds so in a way you don't need EQ to set up on it (as you can set up more DD now than being forced to just EQ and not get enough speed to outspeed Pokemon x).
That's it from me. I wish you luck!
Sets and Nitpicks
: Ice Beam over Psychic and subtract 24 Evs from HP and put them into Spe
: Run 248 Hp evs for a better SR number and dump the rest into Spe
----> : Replace Scarf Latios for LO Latias
: Run Substitute over Taunt || Run Bounce over EQ / Ice Fang
: Keep Earthquake over Counter.
: Replace the EB set for Choice Scarf
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|Feb 4th, 2013, 8:08:29 PM||#5|
Join Date: Dec 2012
|Feb 4th, 2013, 9:10:48 PM||#6|
Join Date: Jul 2011
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This is a lot like my attempt at a gyarados rain team. Bulky intimidate gyarados is most definitely a better choice becuase it can set up on ferrothorn with a mere 56 HP EVs. The EVs I reccomend for this set are 56 HP/204 Atk/248 Spe with an adamant nature. The unusual speed allows you to outspeed modest venusaur outside of sun with no boosts or modest venusaur in sun and scarf terrakion at +2. Donphan is like 9HKOed by scarf stone edge but his limiting coverage make switching into him a joke for many teams, so getting the surprise KO with gyarados will help you maintain momentum much better. For a moveset Substitute/Waterfall/Bounce/Dragon Dance should suffice. What does ice fang hit anyways? Intimidate hepls your team soften blows from conkeldurr, mamoswine, or anything else. Substitute dragon dance is superior to any other set because it can sort of beat rotom-w by substituting on the volt switch and setting up or smashing with waterfall on the switch in. I think this team could really benefit from a toxicroak as well. Swords dance croaker is a great check to pretty much all water types (Starmie!!!!!) and gives your team a physical attacker which is always nice. A bulk up set can help with rotom-w who gives your team nightmares. Substitute avoids will o wisp. Do what you want but I would replace latios and thundurus with toxicroak and dragonite, who can use a choice band and revenge kill a lot with extremespeed and aqua jet (jk). CB outrage will destroy rotom-w. If you want another special attacker make scizor a jirachi.
|Feb 4th, 2013, 10:03:28 PM||#7|
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Solid rain team. Rain teams are definitely going to go through a lot of changes in the near future because of the Tornadus-t ban. You've definitely got a good one so far, but the metagame is probably going to shift before you can really perfect this one. I think you could really benefit from some set changes without even having to change any Pokemon.
First, I want to recommend Timid 252 Spe / 252 Sp Atk Choice Specs Politoed instead of the one you currently have. It goes against the conventional wisdom, but I've been using it a lot lately. I have not looked back since. Part of the reason that Max Speed Politoed is so effective is its surprise value. Your team is ideal for it too because you can nab surprise KOes against Pokemon like Rotom-w and Dragonite because they expect to outspeed. You've got a lot of Tyranitar and Hippowdon checks, I don't think you'll miss the extra bulk too much. Conserve Politoed and conventional Sand counters like Rotom-w will have trouble taking 2 STAB Rain Water Attacks. I also like Surf instead of Hydro Pump for the accuracy, but that's up to you. You can also consider Ice Beam if you want to hit Celebi, but Psychic is effective against Toxicroak as well.
Furthermore, I think Double Dance Thundurus-t is a better option than Expert Belt. I personally think Expert Belt is a bad set, but your team could use raw wall breaking power. Right now a simple Skarm + Bliss core could wall your entire team, even playing conservatively. Defensive teams are definitely on the rise, and Nasty Plot Thunder will plow through them easily. Offensive teams also have a very difficult time responding to Agility, and the combination of Agility + Nasty Plot is basically impossible to counter.
Use 248 HP and 8 Spe for your Scizor. It's the usual Scizor set, and there's no reason not to use it. At the very least, you can Speed tie with other 8 Spe Scizor, which as I mentioned, is the most popular set by far.
On Gyarados, I have to recommend Sub DD Bounce. It's a great, old set that doesn't get enough love these days. Use 56 HP / 248 Atk / 204 Spe for your EVs. There isn't a lot to say about the set except that it's definitely the best one. Sub allows you to beat Status users and weak Scald users. Fast Politoed will be a great partner for Gyarados because you can weaken Rotom-w, Gyarados' number one counter. Gyarados is a fantastic wall breaker, and it should be your main weapon against Sand teams.
Finally, I want you to use Trick instead of Psychic/Energy Ball on Latios along with a Timid Nature. You never know when you'll need to Trick a problem Pokemon like CM Jirachi, Blissey, or Ferrothorn, and Timid allows you to beat Scarf Keldeo. Scarf Keldeo is a pretty important Pokemon to beat since it's very popular on good teams.
|Feb 8th, 2013, 11:18:18 PM||#8|
Join Date: Dec 2012