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tlyee61 · Feb 5th, 2013, 10:31:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat hotcoldyay

Thanks for the last answer :)

In helping to set up trick room, who is more reliable/effective: amoonguss or smeargle? I plan on using one of them alongside cresselia or reuniclus. Also, who are some good, bulky, attackers who can reliably set up trick room? Im not sure if there are any more options besides these two... Please excuse my noobiness about vgc. XP

amoonguss. under TR, it can also keep using rage powder and spore. jellicent, gallade, reuniclus (like you already mentioned)
if you want full on power, chandelure is great but lacks defense.

Brophlosion · Feb 6th, 2013, 11:04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat hotcoldyay

Thanks for the last answer :)

In helping to set up trick room, who is more reliable/effective: amoonguss or smeargle? Or better yet, is there anyone who also uses follow me/rage powder who fills the role better? I plan on using one of them alongside cresselia or reuniclus.

Also, who are some good, bulky, attackers who can reliably set up trick room? Im not sure if there are any more options besides these two... Please excuse my noobiness about vgc. XP

Thanks to anyone who answers :)

I love using Amoonguss. He would fit your situation perfectly. Volcarona also gets rage powder too. You might want to try that out as well :)

The Knights of Wario Land · Feb 6th, 2013, 2:38:00 PM

For a good Trick Room user + attacker, Chandelure, Jellicent, offensive Cresselia, Reuniclus, and Porygon2 are definitely your best options.

axle · Feb 6th, 2013, 5:19:58 PM

is there any legal way to get a torchic with its dream world ability?

**voodoo pimp** · Feb 6th, 2013, 5:40:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat axle

is there any legal way to get a torchic with its dream world ability?

If you don't have a Japanese game, it can only be obtained by trading. I have a Rash one with HP Ice; if that's not what you're looking for then maybe one of the other people here can help you out or you can ask in the Wi-Fi forum.

axle · Feb 6th, 2013, 5:51:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat voodoo pimp

If you don't have a Japanese game, it can only be obtained by trading. I have a Rash one with HP Ice; if that's not what you're looking for then maybe one of the other people here can help you out or you can ask in the Wi-Fi forum.

thank you for the help. second question is can you use pokemon you receive from pokecheck at the VGC? i saw somewhere that you could but it said you had to get them with out the ribbon, I don't understand?

Xeno598 · Feb 6th, 2013, 5:54:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat axle

thank you for the help. second question is can you use pokemon you receive from pokecheck at the VGC? i saw somewhere that you could but it said you had to get them with out the ribbon, I don't understand?

As long as they're legal and don't have the Premier Ribbon, yeah. You have to use Pkm. Files to bypass the ribbon.

axle · Feb 6th, 2013, 6:04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Xeno598

As long as they're legal and don't have the Premier Ribbon, yeah. You have to use Pkm. Files to bypass the ribbon.

is there a guide on how to do this?

tlyee61 · Feb 6th, 2013, 9:28:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat axle

is there a guide on how to do this?

You have to use a flash cart/emulator and inject the .pkm file with PokeGen or PokeSav (for BW1 only)

**voodoo pimp** · Feb 6th, 2013, 10:50:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat tlyee61

You have to use a flash cart/emulator and inject the .pkm file with PokeGen or PokeSav (for BW1 only)

Or just use a distribution server. http://pastebin.com/pzBgzJUH

Scalrag · Feb 7th, 2013, 7:58:53 PM

How viable is Magnezone on a Goodstuffs team? I was originally going to go with Metagross, but I am in need of a good special attacker and it seems that Magnezone would be a better counter to all the water and flying types I've seen. However, it seems like Magnezone is a lot less popular than Metagross. Are they even comparable, or is this just a bad idea?

Golden Piloswine · Feb 7th, 2013, 8:04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Scalrag

How viable is Magnezone on a Goodstuffs team? I was originally going to go with Metagross, but I am in need of a good special attacker and it seems that Magnezone would be a better counter to all the water and flying types I've seen. However, it seems like Magnezone is a lot less popular than Metagross. Are they even comparable, or is this just a bad idea?

Magnezone is... okay, but it's typing & movepool turns one off. Great stats though. It depends on the way your using it. Metagross is such a good Pokemon with it's massive defenses and offense. As well as two stabs that do neutral to a lot of things, and it's priority ability with Bullet Punch. Overall Metagross > Magnezone

Magnezone is a bad idea without proper support.

Scalrag · Feb 7th, 2013, 8:13:59 PM

Thanks. I had a feeling it was something like that... it looks like Metagross is just generally safer. What other Pokemon does Magnezone work well with, and what kind of specific support does it need to succeed?

Also, I guess in regards to my worries, is it a really bad thing to primarily have more physical than special attackers? So far I've got one Special Attacker - I feel like I'm setting myself up for failure that way.

**voodoo pimp** · Feb 7th, 2013, 9:40:40 PM

Well, what exactly are you trying to do with it? If you're just looking for a special Steel-type, it's hard to go wrong with Heatran (unless you're using a rain team, obviously).

Scalrag · Feb 7th, 2013, 9:54:18 PM

To be honest, I was considering Heatran as well, but I'm just worried about the rain teams that seem to be all over the place.

I may need to completely revamp my team. I originally just wanted a hardy, tough steel type to be able to take dragon moves and dish out powerful moves in return, which is why Metagross seemed to fit perfectly. But honestly... I think I am spreading it too thin if it ALSO has to be a good special attacker AND be able to handle itself in case of rain. I might be best off replacing somebody else.

Bah! It's always one step forward two steps back with this team XD There are so many options and I still don't really know what actually works as opposed to what only works in theory! I guess that only comes with experience.

ryancyy · Feb 8th, 2013, 10:12:19 PM

Hey guys!! Is there any good rain room ( Rain + trick room) VGC RMT that u guys know of? I wanna make a Rain room team to counter those that always use thunder wave to take care of rain teams.

Any ideas or opinions? My current idea in mind was using politoed + bronzong as my leads. And main attackers being gyarados and marowak.

tlyee61 · Feb 9th, 2013, 12:04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat ryancyy

Hey guys!! Is there any good rain room ( Rain + trick room) VGC RMT that u guys know of? I wanna make a Rain room team to counter those that always use thunder wave to take care of rain teams.

Any ideas or opinions? My current idea in mind was using politoed + bronzong as my leads. And main attackers being gyarados and marowak.

Here:

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f521/com...n-team-137292/

http://www.serebiiforums.com/archive.../t-589907.html

are a couple I got from a simple google search for rainroom teams

ryancyy · Feb 9th, 2013, 4:29:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat tlyee61

Here:

http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f521/com...n-team-137292/

http://www.serebiiforums.com/archive.../t-589907.html

are a couple I got from a simple google search for rainroom teams

Thank you for the links! How about your opinion on rain room? :)

Pokemasta77 · Feb 9th, 2013, 8:49:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat ryancyy

Thank you for the links! How about your opinion on rain room? :)

This is one of those strategies that you need to be able to execute correctly. If you feel you can handle it, then go for it because it is very successful when done correctly. I actually made one before so PM me and I can help you build one if you would like :)

tlyee61 · Feb 9th, 2013, 11:24:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Fat ryancyy

Thank you for the links! How about your opinion on rain room? :)

I like rain room, but your team shouldn't rely on it. Have some backup sweepers like Kingdra, ludicolo, etc. also, jellicent is a good TR setter for powerful water spouts.

Sidfrid · Feb 9th, 2013, 4:25:49 PM

Yo guys!
I've been thinking for a good Ground Type pokemon to fit in my electric type weak rain team, on my path I crossed with many good pokemons (Sand Force Hippowdon, Garchomp, Rhyperior, Krokodile, Landorus-I, Landorus-T) but most of then come with a Grass weakness that I don't like, some other come with an Ice weakness that I din't want to take the risk. But there was one that stand out the most: Excadrill

Since I run a mono wheather team (just have DrizzleToad) I won't see the benefit from a Sand Rush Excadrill, on nuggetbridge I saw a Mold Breaker Exca that looks like a good idea, but I felt that he was missing something.... Bulk.

On the Uber subforum I found examples of Bulky Excadrill, but all of then was biased for a 1 Vs. 1 metagame (duh!)

My simple question is: Do you think that a Bulky Excadrill could be viable in the VGC2013 metagame?, of course if this Excadrill is Bulky, Sand Rush is a lesser option in favor of Mold Breaker, IMO.

(In your comments don't restrain the bulky exca to my needs of a check to electryc type, think about him on a broader aspect)

Golden Piloswine · Feb 9th, 2013, 4:46:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Sidfrid

Yo guys!
I've been thinking for a good Ground Type pokemon to fit in my electric type weak rain team, on my path I crossed with many good pokemons (Sand Force Hippowdon, Garchomp, Rhyperior, Krokodile, Landorus-I, Landorus-T) but most of then come with a Grass weakness that I don't like, some other come with an Ice weakness that I din't want to take the risk. But there was one that stand out the most: Excadrill

Since I run a mono wheather team (just have DrizzleToad) I won't see the benefit from a Sand Rush Excadrill, on nuggetbridge I saw a Mold Breaker Exca that looks like a good idea, but I felt that he was missing something.... Bulk.

On the Uber subforum I found examples of Bulky Excadrill, but all of then was biased for a 1 Vs. 1 metagame (duh!)

My simple question is: Do you think that a Bulky Excadrill could be viable in the VGC2013 metagame?, of course if this Excadrill is Bulky, Sand Rush is a lesser option in favor of Mold Breaker, IMO.

(In your comments don't restrain the bulky exca to my needs of a check to electryc type, think about him on a broader aspect)

Not really, it just doesn't have the stats. =/

If you want a pokemon that isn't weak to grass, and resists Electric, try Lightningrod Zapdos. It can fill a bulky role quite well. This is what I would use because it draws the attacks in, to up it's special attack. So I would go with this. Your just gonna have to take the ice weakness. With the Lightningrod, you can afford to drop Ev's out of special attack into it's defenses.

**Nexus** · Feb 9th, 2013, 4:54:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Golden Piloswine

Not really, it just doesn't have the stats. =/

If you want a pokemon that isn't weak to grass, and resists Electric, try Lightningrod Zapdos. It can fill a bulky role quite well. This is what I would use because it draws the attacks in, to up it's special attack. So I would go with this. Your just gonna have to take the ice weakness. With the Lightningrod, you can afford to drop Ev's out of special attack into it's defenses.

Lightningrod Zapdos has not been released, it is not legal in the VGC '13 metagame at this time.

The Agonist · Feb 9th, 2013, 7:33:57 PM

Excadrill actually has surprisingly decent bulk when invested, so it's not as bad an option as GP would lead you to believe.

tlyee61 · Feb 9th, 2013, 10:06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Sidfrid

Yo guys!
I've been thinking for a good Ground Type pokemon to fit in my electric type weak rain team, on my path I crossed with many good pokemons (Sand Force Hippowdon, Garchomp, Rhyperior, Krokodile, Landorus-I, Landorus-T) but most of then come with a Grass weakness that I don't like, some other come with an Ice weakness that I din't want to take the risk. But there was one that stand out the most: Excadrill

Since I run a mono wheather team (just have DrizzleToad) I won't see the benefit from a Sand Rush Excadrill, on nuggetbridge I saw a Mold Breaker Exca that looks like a good idea, but I felt that he was missing something.... Bulk.

On the Uber subforum I found examples of Bulky Excadrill, but all of then was biased for a 1 Vs. 1 metagame (duh!)

My simple question is: Do you think that a Bulky Excadrill could be viable in the VGC2013 metagame?, of course if this Excadrill is Bulky, Sand Rush is a lesser option in favor of Mold Breaker, IMO.

(In your comments don't restrain the bulky exca to my needs of a check to electryc type, think about him on a broader aspect)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat The Agonist

Excadrill actually has surprisingly decent bulk when invested, so it's not as bad an option as GP would lead you to believe.

This is true. Its steel type gives it some god resists. a spread of 172 HP / 60 Atk / 116 Def / 156 SpD / 4 Speed works. The extra bulk allows Excadrill to survive Earthquake from Adamant Landorus-I, Heat Wave from Modest Chandelure, Drain Punch from Adamant / Brave Scrafty, Conkeldurr's Mach (and I assume Drain) Punch and Close Combat from Adamant Terrakion with the aid of Chople Berry. With Shuca Berry, Excadrill is
able to survive more ground attacks (haven't calced these, sorry!)

Feb 6th, 2013, 2:38:00 PM	#953
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Sidfrid Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 190 Dominican Republic	Yo guys! I've been thinking for a good Ground Type pokemon to fit in my electric type weak rain team, on my path I crossed with many good pokemons (Sand Force Hippowdon, Garchomp, Rhyperior, Krokodile, Landorus-I, Landorus-T) but most of then come with a Grass weakness that I don't like, some other come with an Ice weakness that I din't want to take the risk. But there was one that stand out the most: Excadrill Since I run a mono wheather team (just have DrizzleToad) I won't see the benefit from a Sand Rush Excadrill, on nuggetbridge I saw a Mold Breaker Exca that looks like a good idea, but I felt that he was missing something.... Bulk. On the Uber subforum I found examples of Bulky Excadrill, but all of then was biased for a 1 Vs. 1 metagame (duh!) My simple question is: Do you think that a Bulky Excadrill could be viable in the VGC2013 metagame?, of course if this Excadrill is Bulky, Sand Rush is a lesser option in favor of Mold Breaker, IMO. (In your comments don't restrain the bulky exca to my needs of a check to electryc type, think about him on a broader aspect) __________________ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ I rum man Smogon's Hot 350 List Last edited by Sidfrid; Feb 9th, 2013 at 4:35:53 PM.

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Feb 7th, 2013, 7:58:53 PM	#961
Scalrag Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 12	How viable is Magnezone on a Goodstuffs team? I was originally going to go with Metagross, but I am in need of a good special attacker and it seems that Magnezone would be a better counter to all the water and flying types I've seen. However, it seems like Magnezone is a lot less popular than Metagross. Are they even comparable, or is this just a bad idea?

Feb 7th, 2013, 8:13:59 PM	#963
Scalrag Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 12	Thanks. I had a feeling it was something like that... it looks like Metagross is just generally safer. What other Pokemon does Magnezone work well with, and what kind of specific support does it need to succeed? Also, I guess in regards to my worries, is it a really bad thing to primarily have more physical than special attackers? So far I've got one Special Attacker - I feel like I'm setting myself up for failure that way.

Feb 7th, 2013, 9:54:18 PM	#965
Scalrag Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 12	To be honest, I was considering Heatran as well, but I'm just worried about the rain teams that seem to be all over the place. I may need to completely revamp my team. I originally just wanted a hardy, tough steel type to be able to take dragon moves and dish out powerful moves in return, which is why Metagross seemed to fit perfectly. But honestly... I think I am spreading it too thin if it ALSO has to be a good special attacker AND be able to handle itself in case of rain. I might be best off replacing somebody else. Bah! It's always one step forward two steps back with this team XD There are so many options and I still don't really know what actually works as opposed to what only works in theory! I guess that only comes with experience.

Feb 8th, 2013, 10:12:19 PM	#966
ryancyy Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 10	Hey guys!! Is there any good rain room ( Rain + trick room) VGC RMT that u guys know of? I wanna make a Rain room team to counter those that always use thunder wave to take care of rain teams. Any ideas or opinions? My current idea in mind was using politoed + bronzong as my leads. And main attackers being gyarados and marowak.