(Tournament) 2013 Winter Friendly - Page 2

**Expert Evan** · Feb 8th, 2013, 11:28:01 AM

I probably won't have time to EV train some uber pokemon I have in my 4th gen games, will most likely use random pokemon at the last minute just for the heck of it lol.

Sidfrid · Feb 8th, 2013, 12:20:50 PM

I think I made a HUGE mistake. I locked my battle box without a check/counter to Kyurem-W (and according to the Reports on the PGL site, he was the MOST used pokemon and the prefered item was a choice scarf and a Timid nature)

Just to keep in mind: Timid Scarf Kyurem-W
outspeed Scarf Timid Kyogre
outspeed Scarf Jolly Zekrom
speed tie with a +1 Rayquaza

But, how to beat it?
Scarfed Garchomp OHKO it with outrage (even the Adamant outspeed it)
Scarfed Modest Palkia OKHO it with Spacial Rend (the Timid one have 57% change)

As you already figured out, your best bet against Kyurem-W is to revange kill. (anyone of you with enough guts to try priority againts it?, Lucario, Scizor, Metagross, any mach punch user, all of then got decimated by Fusion Flare or Draco Meteor, so if not is a clean OHKO don't try it)

So any Kyurem-W user you have my permission to plow my entire team, lol.

Onicon · Feb 8th, 2013, 1:34:00 PM

My personal concern is Scarf-Zekrom because we have to sack one of our Pokemon in order to revengekill it. Couldn't fit in Ferrothorn.
At least we are prepared. Hopefully there won't be too much sand, we have Lugia as a supporter and Tyranitar is darn annoying because of its STAB moves.

Little Green Yoda · Feb 8th, 2013, 3:01:24 PM

LOL why are people locking their Battle Boxes a week beforehand?

I just realized my team is a bit Ho-Oh weak so I might have to retool half my team. Rotom-W seemed like a better counter to it before I looked at damage calcs. Even with its resists, it takes close to 50% damage before it can put up a screen. :(

The Agonist · Feb 8th, 2013, 3:21:39 PM

Personally I don't think Tyranitar will be too common, but even if it is, I'm not worried about it in the slightest.

NidoRich · Feb 8th, 2013, 8:04:37 PM

I just thought of something. What if someone did use Tyranitar? They are most likely guarenteed the weather-win.

And what if you pair that with a Shell Bell Aron?

Tyranitar can hit ghosts with a Super Effective Crunch. And all Aron has to do is Endavour against most legendaries.

I'm not going to troll people with that though :P

Unowninator · Feb 9th, 2013, 12:17:10 PM

Zekrom, Reshiram, B&W Kyurem & Giratina can defeat Aron without problems though.

NidoRich · Feb 9th, 2013, 3:03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat NidoRich

And all Aron has to do is Endavour against most legendaries.

I did say most :P

I know that the first four can break through Aron's Sturdy. Giratina is countered by T-Tar as well. But this is a rotation battle and it's a battle of rock-paper-scissors in the end. Good luck to everyone ^_^

Tenodera · Feb 9th, 2013, 10:32:17 PM

Ubers Rotation. That is ridiculously cool. And also something which probably nobody here has ever attempted.
Although I usually just do the tournaments for the abundance of battles without expecting to place well, I'm hoping to do pretty dang well here because of my experience with GBU Rotation.

Baz Anderson · Feb 10th, 2013, 1:02:28 AM

I find myself feeling less and less bothered to EV train some legends. At least I still have a few more days. I thought about doing the Aron thing too, it's probably more effective against ubers.

eriXtone · Feb 11th, 2013, 10:57:44 AM

Anyone else think it is close to pointless running a choice item?

I don't anticipate much if any switching to reset the item, and being locked into a disadvantageous move could spell disaster for your team. Thoughts on this?

Regarding Substitute. I love being able to set up a Sub and rotate out while preserving that Sub. Has come in super handy.

Anyone have a decent place in game to practice? Best I've got is PWT Mix Tournament. There I can at least face one likely opponent..

Brophlosion · Feb 11th, 2013, 2:38:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat eriXtone

Anyone else think it is close to pointless running a choice item?

I don't anticipate much if any switching to reset the item, and being locked into a disadvantageous move could spell disaster for your team. Thoughts on this?

Regarding Substitute. I love being able to set up a Sub and rotate out while preserving that Sub. Has come in super handy.

Anyone have a decent place in game to practice? Best I've got is PWT Mix Tournament. There I can at least face one likely opponent..

PWT is probably the best place to practice in game, you could always try to find a real person to play though, Thats what i've been doing. Oh and sub is busted :)

eriXtone · Feb 11th, 2013, 4:05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Brophlosion

PWT is probably the best place to practice in game, you could always try to find a real person to play though, Thats what i've been doing. Oh and sub is busted :)

As a 28yo guy, it's pretty hard without being seen as a huge creeper. Even the local comic shops that host weekly TCG tournaments treat me like a weirdo when I e-mail them about it.. Little do they know I'm a totally normal dude working in financial services who just happens to love Pokemon haha

Re: Sub.. How do you mean it's broken? Dare I ask?

Tenodera · Feb 11th, 2013, 7:11:20 PM

Sub is just really, really effective in Rotation. You can often "arrange" things so that you get two turns off the same sub by rotating into a resist or immunity.

Choice items are an obnoxious issue for me at the moment. I think the best way to go about it would be to keep the choice user as a cleaner and have a couple of mons who can support them. Like, I would encourage somebody to try ScarfOgre here if they think they can eliminate Latias, other Kyogre, etc. But what I don't like about it is how useless a choice mon's coverage moves can be. Unless that coverage move is going to kill that one otherwise insurmountable obstacle, it's not worth it to lock yourself into a nonSTAB. Of course I'm generalizing and rambling, but I just like talking about Rotation.

Xeno598 · Feb 13th, 2013, 1:53:12 PM

Still need one more Pokemon to finish my team. Decided to try a Magic Room based team (probably will fail, but whatever) because Scarfed Tail Glow Manaphy FTW!

BlakDragon · Feb 13th, 2013, 3:27:43 PM

Welp, I can't enter this competition now because our hi-speed internet got taken away from us. I wanted to wait until tomorrow before locking in my team (still planned on using Darkrai btw), but Comcast decided to be a jerk and cut us off now until the bill's caught up on Friday. :|

Team Rocket Elite · Feb 13th, 2013, 8:24:21 PM

As long as you've already registered on the website, that's not a problem. You can lock your Battle Box any time before your first match. You don't need to do it before the competition starts. If you get internet access back on Friday, you can start playing on Friday with no problems.

Roosterman · Feb 13th, 2013, 9:01:04 PM

this'll be fun, time to dust off that uber team from when i was 12... brave mewtwo? what was i thinking? time to hit the GTS.

TheLegend05 · Feb 14th, 2013, 6:22:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Xeno598

Still need one more Pokemon to finish my team. Decided to try a Magic Room based team (probably will fail, but whatever) because Scarfed Tail Glow Manaphy FTW!

If you use a magic room team I give you props . I like it when people try something different that hasn't or hardly gets used. Although it will be difficult to pull off in this tournament. Just wish you luck and hopefully you have success unlike me who failed with a gimmicky gravity team in the last wifi tournament.

I am using a sandstorm team because I am tired of losing matches do to my gimmicks.

Judejew · Feb 14th, 2013, 7:15:07 PM

Yay, 1st DC of the tourny. The guy wasn't playing ubers, so I guess he got mad I was...

**Expert Evan** · Feb 14th, 2013, 7:17:44 PM

so it's already started? I'll need to trade over my team and teach one last TM before I start.

Branny00 · Feb 14th, 2013, 7:26:47 PM

I haven't gotten a single opponent yet, been waiting for 25 minutes...
GL everyone!

BlakDragon · Feb 14th, 2013, 8:52:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Team Rocket Elite

As long as you've already registered on the website, that's not a problem. You can lock your Battle Box any time before your first match. You don't need to do it before the competition starts. If you get internet access back on Friday, you can start playing on Friday with no problems.

Well shoot, good thing I reg'd on the PGL website before I got cutoff. Thanks for that heads-up and GL everyone who competes. Let's bop those noobs!

Judejew · Feb 14th, 2013, 9:00:06 PM

http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=search&v...t=7139%2F56880

Bunch of nice predictions I made even tho I am not even taking this seriously. I'm 7-0 with over 1600 now (and this guy was over me).

That missclic on the last turn >.<

Branny00 · Feb 14th, 2013, 9:00:53 PM

I have had a few rage quits so far. My best battle today was when I had an LO Arceus vs another paralyzed +2 arceus and a white kyurem. I won with 2 extremespeeds, which was awesome. 6-0 right now.

Feb 8th, 2013, 11:28:01 AM	#26
Expert Evan every battle has a smell! Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,788 Southwestern Connecticut	I probably won't have time to EV train some uber pokemon I have in my 4th gen games, will most likely use random pokemon at the last minute just for the heck of it lol. __________________ EE's Official trade thread: G.O.A.T. EE - Mark 2 4th gen trade = 4383-6929-7278 \| 5th gen trade = 2493-9641-2031 \| 5th gen battle = 4126-7225-2545 Also be sure to join #smogonwifi on IRC for faster communication If you want to be cool, read and obey the rules especially the ones for WiFi.

Feb 8th, 2013, 12:20:50 PM	#27
Sidfrid Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 187 Dominican Republic	I think I made a HUGE mistake. I locked my battle box without a check/counter to Kyurem-W (and according to the Reports on the PGL site, he was the MOST used pokemon and the prefered item was a choice scarf and a Timid nature) Just to keep in mind: Timid Scarf Kyurem-W outspeed Scarf Timid Kyogre outspeed Scarf Jolly Zekrom speed tie with a +1 Rayquaza But, how to beat it? Scarfed Garchomp OHKO it with outrage (even the Adamant outspeed it) Scarfed Modest Palkia OKHO it with Spacial Rend (the Timid one have 57% change) As you already figured out, your best bet against Kyurem-W is to revange kill. (anyone of you with enough guts to try priority againts it?, Lucario, Scizor, Metagross, any mach punch user, all of then got decimated by Fusion Flare or Draco Meteor, so if not is a clean OHKO don't try it) So any Kyurem-W user you have my permission to plow my entire team, lol. __________________ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ I rum man Smogon's Hot 350 List

Feb 8th, 2013, 3:01:24 PM	#29
Little Green Yoda Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 2,439 Dagobah m i rite?	LOL why are people locking their Battle Boxes a week beforehand? I just realized my team is a bit Ho-Oh weak so I might have to retool half my team. Rotom-W seemed like a better counter to it before I looked at damage calcs. Even with its resists, it takes close to 50% damage before it can put up a screen. :( __________________ 4639 6767 1236 0217 3425 8379 1636 2204 6115

Feb 8th, 2013, 3:21:39 PM	#30
The Agonist Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 2,001 Reflecting ourselves in the blood of all the beings we slay.	Personally I don't think Tyranitar will be too common, but even if it is, I'm not worried about it in the slightest. __________________ #

Feb 8th, 2013, 8:04:37 PM	#31
NidoRich Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 195 Derby	I just thought of something. What if someone did use Tyranitar? They are most likely guarenteed the weather-win. And what if you pair that with a Shell Bell Aron? Tyranitar can hit ghosts with a Super Effective Crunch. And all Aron has to do is Endavour against most legendaries. I'm not going to troll people with that though :P __________________ Top 256 - 2011 UK VGC Top 8(6th) - 2012 UK VGC Never give up on the things you love!

Feb 8th, 2013, 1:34:00 PM	#28
Onicon Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 696	My personal concern is Scarf-Zekrom because we have to sack one of our Pokemon in order to revengekill it. Couldn't fit in Ferrothorn. At least we are prepared. Hopefully there won't be too much sand, we have Lugia as a supporter and Tyranitar is darn annoying because of its STAB moves.

Feb 9th, 2013, 12:17:10 PM	#32
Unowninator Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 50	Zekrom, Reshiram, B&W Kyurem & Giratina can defeat Aron without problems though. __________________ *Please help this game get a greenlight on steam. Thank you. * http://www.nitrome.com/steam/flightless/ "I'm just waiting for a bunch of kids, so excited after getting their shiny new Genesect, to go out and use Shift Gear only to find that they're locked into it because ololol Genesect came with a Choice Scarf" ~ RabidChipmunk

Feb 9th, 2013, 10:32:17 PM	#34
Tenodera Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 389 Ambassador for the Most High.	Ubers Rotation. That is ridiculously cool. And also something which probably nobody here has ever attempted. Although I usually just do the tournaments for the abundance of battles without expecting to place well, I'm hoping to do pretty dang well here because of my experience with GBU Rotation. __________________ John 14:6 REGIGIGAS is so CUTE. My wifi occasionally acts up, but that's the only reason you'll see me disconnect. ;)

Feb 10th, 2013, 1:02:28 AM	#35
Baz Anderson Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 271 Lincoln, England	I find myself feeling less and less bothered to EV train some legends. At least I still have a few more days. I thought about doing the Aron thing too, it's probably more effective against ubers.

Feb 11th, 2013, 10:57:44 AM	#36
eriXtone Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 47 Massachusetts	Anyone else think it is close to pointless running a choice item? I don't anticipate much if any switching to reset the item, and being locked into a disadvantageous move could spell disaster for your team. Thoughts on this? Regarding Substitute. I love being able to set up a Sub and rotate out while preserving that Sub. Has come in super handy. Anyone have a decent place in game to practice? Best I've got is PWT Mix Tournament. There I can at least face one likely opponent..

Feb 11th, 2013, 7:11:20 PM	#39
Tenodera Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 389 Ambassador for the Most High.	Sub is just really, really effective in Rotation. You can often "arrange" things so that you get two turns off the same sub by rotating into a resist or immunity. Choice items are an obnoxious issue for me at the moment. I think the best way to go about it would be to keep the choice user as a cleaner and have a couple of mons who can support them. Like, I would encourage somebody to try ScarfOgre here if they think they can eliminate Latias, other Kyogre, etc. But what I don't like about it is how useless a choice mon's coverage moves can be. Unless that coverage move is going to kill that one otherwise insurmountable obstacle, it's not worth it to lock yourself into a nonSTAB. Of course I'm generalizing and rambling, but I just like talking about Rotation. __________________ John 14:6 REGIGIGAS is so CUTE. My wifi occasionally acts up, but that's the only reason you'll see me disconnect. ;)

Feb 13th, 2013, 1:53:12 PM	#40
Xeno598 Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 91	Still need one more Pokemon to finish my team. Decided to try a Magic Room based team (probably will fail, but whatever) because Scarfed Tail Glow Manaphy FTW!

Feb 13th, 2013, 3:27:43 PM	#41
BlakDragon Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 58 Virginia, USA	Welp, I can't enter this competition now because our hi-speed internet got taken away from us. I wanted to wait until tomorrow before locking in my team (still planned on using Darkrai btw), but Comcast decided to be a jerk and cut us off now until the bill's caught up on Friday. :\| __________________ brb getting a better avatar

Feb 13th, 2013, 8:24:21 PM	#42
Team Rocket Elite Data Integration Thought Entity Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 999	As long as you've already registered on the website, that's not a problem. You can lock your Battle Box any time before your first match. You don't need to do it before the competition starts. If you get internet access back on Friday, you can start playing on Friday with no problems. __________________ Go beyond the impossible and kick reason to the curb! Who cares if they Levitate? Earthquake away!

Feb 13th, 2013, 9:01:04 PM	#43
Roosterman Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 1	this'll be fun, time to dust off that uber team from when i was 12... brave mewtwo? what was i thinking? time to hit the GTS.

Feb 14th, 2013, 7:15:07 PM	#45
Judejew Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 51	Yay, 1st DC of the tourny. The guy wasn't playing ubers, so I guess he got mad I was...

Feb 14th, 2013, 7:17:44 PM	#46
Expert Evan every battle has a smell! Moderator Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,788 Southwestern Connecticut	so it's already started? I'll need to trade over my team and teach one last TM before I start. __________________ EE's Official trade thread: G.O.A.T. EE - Mark 2 4th gen trade = 4383-6929-7278 \| 5th gen trade = 2493-9641-2031 \| 5th gen battle = 4126-7225-2545 Also be sure to join #smogonwifi on IRC for faster communication If you want to be cool, read and obey the rules especially the ones for WiFi.

Feb 14th, 2013, 7:26:47 PM	#47
Branny00 Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 84 VGC Pokéfanatic	I haven't gotten a single opponent yet, been waiting for 25 minutes... GL everyone! __________________ B2/W2 FC (VGC Only): 1378-5316-8049 4th Place Winter Friendly 2013 Seniors Division. 1963 Rating

Feb 14th, 2013, 9:00:06 PM	#49
Judejew Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 51	http://www.pokecheck.org/?p=search&v...t=7139%2F56880 Bunch of nice predictions I made even tho I am not even taking this seriously. I'm 7-0 with over 1600 now (and this guy was over me). That missclic on the last turn >.<

Feb 14th, 2013, 9:00:53 PM	#50
Branny00 Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 84 VGC Pokéfanatic	I have had a few rage quits so far. My best battle today was when I had an LO Arceus vs another paralyzed +2 arceus and a white kyurem. I won with 2 extremespeeds, which was awesome. 6-0 right now. __________________ B2/W2 FC (VGC Only): 1378-5316-8049 4th Place Winter Friendly 2013 Seniors Division. 1963 Rating