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jackm · Feb 11th, 2013, 7:04:45 PM

CCAT stands for "Community Create a Team". It's sortof like a much more streamlined version of CAP where a theme is chosen and discussion and votes on team members ensue, followed by a playtest. If you're not comfortable with running the process, (no implications or anything but it's a pretty large undertaking) I'd be happy to get a thread started.

Aquasition · Feb 11th, 2013, 8:14:04 PM

What are some good offensive pivots in Ubers?

jackm · Feb 11th, 2013, 8:41:19 PM

Genesect, Arceus-Ghost, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina-O, and Lati@s are the ones I can think of off of the top of my head. Probably more, though, but they vary depending on what weather you're running and other specifics.

Haruno · Feb 11th, 2013, 9:08:47 PM

Darkrai, Mewtwo, Latios, rayquaza, Offensive arceus', tao trio, ho oh, kyogre, etc. Depends on your team build though.

~~blitzlefan~~ · Feb 11th, 2013, 9:12:15 PM

I think we just listed off the majority of the Ubers tierlist. By the way, what is the definition of an offensive pivot? How do they work?

Edit: so I don't really think that Rayquaza is an offensive pivot... because his defense are pretty awful and has REALLY common weaknesses.

Also, GREAT! GOOD LUCK, jackm!!!

jackm · Feb 11th, 2013, 10:09:16 PM

I disagree with Darkrai and to an extent Mewtwo, they don't have the required bulk to fill the role.

Anyways, an offensive pivot is a Pokemon that offensive teams use to switch in and gain momentum, often threatening the opponent by way of sheer force or speed. Because they need to be able to switch in, offensive pivots generally need to be able to take a handful of common attacks, which is why Darkrai and sortof Mewtwo don't fill the role very well.

Enguarde · Feb 12th, 2013, 12:20:59 PM

I've been trying to make Arceus-Flying work recently as since flying is a really great type offensively and it seems like it could be really cool with the right support, so I'm wondering if anyone has tried to use it in the past to much avail, or what they think could be some good partners for it?

Oh and just putting it out there that if either of guys start an Ubers CCAT I'd also be keen to participate.

Melee Mewtwo · Feb 12th, 2013, 1:29:34 PM

What about Lando-T and Scizor as offensive pivots? I'm not a big fan of the later in Ubers but Lando is cool enough to not be overlooked.

SR is the firsr problem that hops out when using Flyceus so you might want to consider a more reliable spinner. Specail walls like Chancey, Arceus, Jiraci, etc. are going to be a pain so you'll want something that can deal with those. Blissey Boxer is a top notch lure for the first as nobody uses it but there are some other mixed set options (on typically special mons) you can try. I've never really used the set so I can't sat much more.

jackm · Feb 12th, 2013, 11:00:20 PM

I'm starting one, I got permission from Poppy.

Haruno · Feb 13th, 2013, 1:11:26 PM

What offensive sword dance arceus check/counter are there,besides an opposing arceus form and terrakion?

Go10 · Feb 13th, 2013, 1:20:14 PM

Skarmory, Giratina(-o), Lugia, Groudon etc. Anything that can take at least one hit and phaze/toxic/burn it.

Hiddenfreezer · Feb 13th, 2013, 1:36:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Haruno

What offensive sword dance arceus check/counter are there,besides an opposing arceus form and terrakion?

I use cobalion instead of terrakion because:

1. It can't be toxed
2. volt switch to break sturdy
3. Iron Head as a reliable Alternative to deal to some extend with Kyurems ( yes I know that Close Combat is better, but sometimes you can't CC)

Most importantly:
4. MUCH more bulk physicaly, which helps you switching in Outrages and Revenging something on spot like Rayquaza etc. (Even if your stone edge is weaker than Terrakion)

Try it out, it won't dissappoint you: It's especially useful in the case it got some damage prior as it doesn't die as easily to ESpeed of Arceus as Terrakion

^Above:
Skarmory dies to Fire Moves (although nowadays rare I agree)
Giratina dies to Shadow Claw (not rare)
Groudon is a good check
Lugia depends on rocks in play

Lum Berry /Refresh+Lefties(rare) prevents random burns etc. and phazing doesn't solve the Problem entirely, although I'm not trying to say that your suggestions are bad.

Go10 · Feb 13th, 2013, 1:53:41 PM

SD Arceus never carry any fire move, and i can even say that Skarmory is the best switch in for these version. Giratina take 52.28 - 61.43% from Shadow Claw +2, so you can retaliate with wow/dragon tail, that's why he's considered as a check and not a counter. Lugia depends on rocks indeed.

Refresh lefties doesnt exist, and by phazing it, you can avoid being swept by him with some entry hazards since he cant setup all the day without recover.

Melee Mewtwo · Feb 13th, 2013, 3:35:24 PM

Just wanted to point out that he asked for an offensive check/counter. Anyways, there isn't really much in that department as offensive teams are the ones that suffer the most from the boosted priority attacks. Lando-T with Superpower (needs LO or CB) is the most reliable offensive counter to Ekiller. I have yet to build a solid spread but if you run max Def and Atk with a Choice Band you can tank a boosted ESpeed and OHKO back. The flying typing goes a long way as it gives him a Spikes immunity while the ground typing saves him from a SR weakness. Even if you don't have the HP to survive Ekiller you can still cut his attack with intimidate.

+1 252+ Atk Life Orb Arceus-Normal ExtremeSpeed vs. 0 HP / 252 Def Landorus-T: 224-265 (70.21 - 83.07%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252+ Atk Choice Band Landorus-T Superpower vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Arceus-Normal: 398-470 (90.24 - 106.57%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

There some offensive checks like Kabutops and Omastar under Rain. Go10 has had success with Fightceus but you will need to bother him for the spread since I don't know it. There is also my buddy, Sableye, who may not be very offensive but he brings a lot of good utilities such as spin blocking, Taunting Deo-S leads and crippling physical cleaners.

Hack He Must · Feb 13th, 2013, 3:51:01 PM

Cobalion is not viable in ubers, as its offensive STAB combo is outclassed by Terrakion who also sports much higher attack and equally as good typing to take on E-killer. I don't understand how it can work at all since 90 base attack isn't good even in UU where it belongs.

On offensive teams I'd use Giratina-O, maybe Fightceus, Terrakion (yeah I know you know). Groudon is good on offensive teams too, while not exactly being very offensive itself it still provides rocks. Other than that, a good way is having few pokes it can actually set up on without taking huge damage.

Sweep · Feb 13th, 2013, 4:19:28 PM

Omastar destroys Extremekiller with Hazard support (beware of Hydro Miss). Choice Band Kabutops can do the same.

Terrakion does really well, but needs hazards because if it doesn't OHKO with Close Combat, Arceus will kill it with Brick Break or Earthquake.

AqAZAr · Feb 13th, 2013, 5:31:52 PM

more of a technical question today, but i'm not sure where to post it so it's going here

i got an arceus holding the splash plate traded back to me by my friend. i saw on the status screen when dumping it in the PC that it had a gold ring (instead of blue) in its sprite, but was still listed as a water-type. when i tested this in battle, it was still gold. would this be a legal bluff to use online, or not?

Enguarde · Feb 13th, 2013, 9:25:43 PM

I think your question would fit better in this thread here since its concerning Wi-fi.

~~blitzlefan~~ · Feb 14th, 2013, 11:12:41 AM

For the ubers voice challenge, must we use a new alt or is a current one okay? Also... what are the benefits of meeting the reqs? (I don't really get what's meant by "voice".)

jackm · Feb 14th, 2013, 6:32:52 PM

Voice means that you can speak during moderated chat and acknowledges your achievement, sortof like a badge.

EdgeHead · Feb 17th, 2013, 12:31:55 AM

Who has the best defensive synergy with Arceus-Poison on a Stall Team?

Sweep · Feb 17th, 2013, 1:20:24 AM

Celebi is immune to ground types and resists Psychic moves. It can also resist powerful Rain-boosted water moves that Poisonceus really does not like taking.

Feel free to use Pokemon that abhor Toxic Spikes, such as Groudon and Chansey. For example, Rock polish/SD Groudon will love the lack of Toxic Spikes.

Hack He Must · Feb 17th, 2013, 6:55:05 AM

Something that resists Arceus-Poisons weaknesses, which are Ground and Psychic, could be used. I think Skarmory fits that bill perfectly, however, Arceus-Poison doesn't resist Skarms weaknesses, so I Giratina-O could complement the core somewhat since it resists Fire and Electric moves as well.

I'd rather use Tentacruel on a stall team, however, since it gets two great utility moves in Rapid Spin and Toxic Spikes while having much less opportunity cost.

Salamence97 · Feb 18th, 2013, 10:28:02 AM

I was wondering that is Nasty Plot Deoxys-A released? I saw on bulbapedia that it's supposed to get NP and Dark Pulse from an event.
Another little thing, mainly because I wanted someone else's opinion on this - will NP Deo-A be viable? I ran some (actually, a lot of) calcs and found out that -

Deoxys-Attack @Life Orb
252 SAtk/252 Spe
Modest
Nasty Plot
Psyshock
Focus Blast
Dark Pulse

This guy, SR+spikes down, OHKOes everything at +2. The only problems with this set would be that it's literally impossible to set up without Wobbuffet locking something into a non-attacking move, and its simply overkill.

~~blitzlefan~~ · Feb 18th, 2013, 11:11:45 AM

No, personally, I don't think NP Deo-A is very viable at all. Why? Due to it's frailty, chances are, it won't get any chances to set up, as it'll be swiftly KO'd by any move. Running a Life Orb over Focus Sash means that it must set up on a non-attacking move, which no competent player will let it do. Also, running a specially-oriented set means it doesn't have access to priority, meaning opposing priority users won't think twice before KO'ing it. Giratina-O and Arceus-Normal will easily OHKO Deoxys-A before it even has a chance to set up. Opposing Choice Scarf users will also swiftly KO Deo-A, as max Speed base 90s will outspeed and kill it.

Feb 11th, 2013, 7:04:45 PM	#601
jackm Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 330 Seattle	CCAT stands for "Community Create a Team". It's sortof like a much more streamlined version of CAP where a theme is chosen and discussion and votes on team members ensue, followed by a playtest. If you're not comfortable with running the process, (no implications or anything but it's a pretty large undertaking) I'd be happy to get a thread started. __________________ "May the odds be ever in your favor" "WTF HAX NOOB" The hills are alive with the sound of PS ladderers. Come over and help out with the Ubers CCAT!

Feb 11th, 2013, 8:14:04 PM	#602
Aquasition Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 60 Scarborough, ON, CA	What are some good offensive pivots in Ubers? __________________ Hello, We wood like to visit for a midnight znack. How does ice cream and brains zound? Sincerely, The Zombies

Feb 11th, 2013, 8:41:19 PM	#603
jackm Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 330 Seattle	Genesect, Arceus-Ghost, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina-O, and Lati@s are the ones I can think of off of the top of my head. Probably more, though, but they vary depending on what weather you're running and other specifics. __________________ "May the odds be ever in your favor" "WTF HAX NOOB" The hills are alive with the sound of PS ladderers. Come over and help out with the Ubers CCAT!

Feb 11th, 2013, 9:12:15 PM	#605
~~blitzlefan~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 549 Texas	I think we just listed off the majority of the Ubers tierlist. By the way, what is the definition of an offensive pivot? How do they work? Edit: so I don't really think that Rayquaza is an offensive pivot... because his defense are pretty awful and has REALLY common weaknesses. Also, GREAT! GOOD LUCK, jackm!!! Last edited by blitzlefan; Feb 12th, 2013 at 11:25:13 PM.

Feb 11th, 2013, 10:09:16 PM	#606
jackm Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 330 Seattle	I disagree with Darkrai and to an extent Mewtwo, they don't have the required bulk to fill the role. Anyways, an offensive pivot is a Pokemon that offensive teams use to switch in and gain momentum, often threatening the opponent by way of sheer force or speed. Because they need to be able to switch in, offensive pivots generally need to be able to take a handful of common attacks, which is why Darkrai and sortof Mewtwo don't fill the role very well. __________________ "May the odds be ever in your favor" "WTF HAX NOOB" The hills are alive with the sound of PS ladderers. Come over and help out with the Ubers CCAT!

Feb 11th, 2013, 9:08:47 PM	#604
Haruno Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 123 Cali	Darkrai, Mewtwo, Latios, rayquaza, Offensive arceus', tao trio, ho oh, kyogre, etc. Depends on your team build though.

Feb 12th, 2013, 12:20:59 PM	#607
Enguarde <%Frizy> YOU CANNOT LEAVE THE PENIS ONCE YOU'VE HAD A TASTE Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 223 Australia	I've been trying to make Arceus-Flying work recently as since flying is a really great type offensively and it seems like it could be really cool with the right support, so I'm wondering if anyone has tried to use it in the past to much avail, or what they think could be some good partners for it? Oh and just putting it out there that if either of guys start an Ubers CCAT I'd also be keen to participate. __________________

Feb 12th, 2013, 11:00:20 PM	#609
jackm Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 330 Seattle	I'm starting one, I got permission from Poppy. __________________ "May the odds be ever in your favor" "WTF HAX NOOB" The hills are alive with the sound of PS ladderers. Come over and help out with the Ubers CCAT!

Feb 13th, 2013, 1:11:26 PM	#610
Haruno Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 123 Cali	What offensive sword dance arceus check/counter are there,besides an opposing arceus form and terrakion?

Feb 13th, 2013, 1:20:14 PM	#611
Go10 Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 774	Skarmory, Giratina(-o), Lugia, Groudon etc. Anything that can take at least one hit and phaze/toxic/burn it. __________________ RMT BW1 Uber - Unlimited Victory Works RMT BW2 Uber - Dark War

Feb 13th, 2013, 1:53:41 PM	#613
Go10 Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 774	SD Arceus never carry any fire move, and i can even say that Skarmory is the best switch in for these version. Giratina take 52.28 - 61.43% from Shadow Claw +2, so you can retaliate with wow/dragon tail, that's why he's considered as a check and not a counter. Lugia depends on rocks indeed. Refresh lefties doesnt exist, and by phazing it, you can avoid being swept by him with some entry hazards since he cant setup all the day without recover. __________________ RMT BW1 Uber - Unlimited Victory Works RMT BW2 Uber - Dark War

Feb 13th, 2013, 3:51:01 PM	#615
Hack He Must Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 141	Cobalion is not viable in ubers, as its offensive STAB combo is outclassed by Terrakion who also sports much higher attack and equally as good typing to take on E-killer. I don't understand how it can work at all since 90 base attack isn't good even in UU where it belongs. On offensive teams I'd use Giratina-O, maybe Fightceus, Terrakion (yeah I know you know). Groudon is good on offensive teams too, while not exactly being very offensive itself it still provides rocks. Other than that, a good way is having few pokes it can actually set up on without taking huge damage. __________________ Elements of the Desert- An Uber sand team VM me for an Übers team rate (unless the team is shit or just perfect)!

Feb 13th, 2013, 4:19:28 PM	#616
Sweep Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 114 U.S.	Omastar destroys Extremekiller with Hazard support (beware of Hydro Miss). Choice Band Kabutops can do the same. Terrakion does really well, but needs hazards because if it doesn't OHKO with Close Combat, Arceus will kill it with Brick Break or Earthquake.

Feb 13th, 2013, 5:31:52 PM	#617
AqAZAr Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 18	more of a technical question today, but i'm not sure where to post it so it's going here i got an arceus holding the splash plate traded back to me by my friend. i saw on the status screen when dumping it in the PC that it had a gold ring (instead of blue) in its sprite, but was still listed as a water-type. when i tested this in battle, it was still gold. would this be a legal bluff to use online, or not? __________________ Black FC - 1635 4370 8814 Don't like weather teams? Deal with it.

Feb 13th, 2013, 9:25:43 PM	#618
Enguarde <%Frizy> YOU CANNOT LEAVE THE PENIS ONCE YOU'VE HAD A TASTE Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 223 Australia	I think your question would fit better in this thread here since its concerning Wi-fi. __________________

Feb 14th, 2013, 11:12:41 AM	#619
~~blitzlefan~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 549 Texas	For the ubers voice challenge, must we use a new alt or is a current one okay? Also... what are the benefits of meeting the reqs? (I don't really get what's meant by "voice".)

Feb 14th, 2013, 6:32:52 PM	#620
jackm Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 330 Seattle	Voice means that you can speak during moderated chat and acknowledges your achievement, sortof like a badge. __________________ "May the odds be ever in your favor" "WTF HAX NOOB" The hills are alive with the sound of PS ladderers. Come over and help out with the Ubers CCAT!

Feb 17th, 2013, 12:31:55 AM	#621
EdgeHead Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 83	Who has the best defensive synergy with Arceus-Poison on a Stall Team? __________________ Pokemon Silver Nuzlocke Challenge Badges: 2 Current Team: Torch (Quilava) lvl 20/Reed (Hoothoot) lvl 15/Fungy (Paras) lvl 10/Tira (Hoothoot) lvl 14/Dimitri (Drowzee) lvl 14/Grapes (Wooper) lvl 15

Feb 17th, 2013, 1:20:24 AM	#622
Sweep Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 114 U.S.	Celebi is immune to ground types and resists Psychic moves. It can also resist powerful Rain-boosted water moves that Poisonceus really does not like taking. Feel free to use Pokemon that abhor Toxic Spikes, such as Groudon and Chansey. For example, Rock polish/SD Groudon will love the lack of Toxic Spikes.

Feb 17th, 2013, 6:55:05 AM	#623
Hack He Must Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 141	Something that resists Arceus-Poisons weaknesses, which are Ground and Psychic, could be used. I think Skarmory fits that bill perfectly, however, Arceus-Poison doesn't resist Skarms weaknesses, so I Giratina-O could complement the core somewhat since it resists Fire and Electric moves as well. I'd rather use Tentacruel on a stall team, however, since it gets two great utility moves in Rapid Spin and Toxic Spikes while having much less opportunity cost. __________________ Elements of the Desert- An Uber sand team VM me for an Übers team rate (unless the team is shit or just perfect)!

Feb 18th, 2013, 10:28:02 AM	#624
Salamence97 Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 62 Delhi, India	I was wondering that is Nasty Plot Deoxys-A released? I saw on bulbapedia that it's supposed to get NP and Dark Pulse from an event. Another little thing, mainly because I wanted someone else's opinion on this - will NP Deo-A be viable? I ran some (actually, a lot of) calcs and found out that - Deoxys-Attack @Life Orb 252 SAtk/252 Spe Modest Nasty Plot Psyshock Focus Blast Dark Pulse This guy, SR+spikes down, OHKOes everything at +2. The only problems with this set would be that it's literally impossible to set up without Wobbuffet locking something into a non-attacking move, and its simply overkill.

Feb 18th, 2013, 11:11:45 AM	#625
~~blitzlefan~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 549 Texas	No, personally, I don't think NP Deo-A is very viable at all. Why? Due to it's frailty, chances are, it won't get any chances to set up, as it'll be swiftly KO'd by any move. Running a Life Orb over Focus Sash means that it must set up on a non-attacking move, which no competent player will let it do. Also, running a specially-oriented set means it doesn't have access to priority, meaning opposing priority users won't think twice before KO'ing it. Giratina-O and Arceus-Normal will easily OHKO Deoxys-A before it even has a chance to set up. Opposing Choice Scarf users will also swiftly KO Deo-A, as max Speed base 90s will outspeed and kill it.