5th Gen OU Analysis Index - 75 BW2 Revamps On Site! - Page 55

**Pocket** · Feb 10th, 2013, 9:32:58 PM

Idk, SMB - seems very situational on paper. We should vote on this :o

Who wants to make the finishing touches for Hippowdon?

The Unlucky one · Feb 10th, 2013, 9:35:15 PM

Sorry for the delay, the Nidoqueen Skeleton will be up on Wednesday!

Hemp Man · Feb 10th, 2013, 9:47:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Doom Chaos

Magikarp is getting Hydro Pump via a Japanese Event, but the Magikarp is only available at level 99, so it is illegal in LC. It remains legal in OU, its best tier.

STAB Hydro Pump in the rain (teammate's Rain Dance or opponent's rain, because Swift Swim + Drizzle is banned) is gonna plow through the biggest defensive behemoths in OU like Rhyhorn or Geodude, and even the unbelievably bulky Magcargo.

252 SpAtk Choice Specs Magikarp (+SpAtk) Hydro Pump in the rain vs 252 HP/252 SpDef Magcargo (+SpDef) : 189,47% - 223,03%
Guaranteed OHKO

Worth updating the analysis a little imo.

OU? Pfft, Magikarp for Ubers mate.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Magikarp Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 84 SpD Ho-Oh in rain: 228-270 (54.93 - 65.06%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

alexwolf · Feb 10th, 2013, 10:32:13 PM

Taking Hippo :D

LucaroarkZ · Feb 10th, 2013, 11:04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Super Mario Bro

I just wanted approval for this idea before I make the edit on SCMS. I think the Skarmory spreads on its analysis should have 224 HP EVs instead of 252 because that way, it regains Sturdy after SR + 2 layers of Leftovers. In my experiences, that has been much more useful than the almost irrelevant extra bulk max HP gives.

So the spreads on each set would be:

224 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD / 24 Spe

and

224 HP / 8 Def / 252 SpD / 24 Spe

Y/n?

Skarmory doesn't even need Speed EVs anymore. Timid Wobbuffet is no longer a thing, as evidenced by the OU moveset statistics. Additionally, the Speedy Wobbuffet set on its current analysis only hits 147 Speed, so it is never outspeeding Skarmory under any circumstances. Since there isn't really anything else Skarmory could invest in Speed to outrun without said Speed investment being considered Speed creep, I think we should just stick to 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Spe for the Defensive set and 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Spe for the Specially Defensive set. That, and.... When in a match are you actually going to regain Sturdy? It's just not very likely to happen, considering Skarmory is not going to be at maximum health for the majority of the match.

alexwolf · Feb 10th, 2013, 11:07:08 PM

Agreeing with LucaroarkZ, no real reason to use Speed EVs anymore. Anyone that wants to speed creep opposing Skarmory, defensive Toed or whatever, can do it on their own discression.

Super Mario Bro · Feb 10th, 2013, 11:40:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat Pocket

Idk, SMB - seems very situational on paper. We should vote on this :o

It's fairly situational, but it has actually helped me win some games in the past. Skarmory really appreciates having Sturdy intact when dealing with certain teams, or even just setting up another layer of Spikes against Magnezone. Moving its HP down to 224 doesn't noticeably hinder its bulk at all, especially when you're compensating by moving those EVs into its defenses.

But yea, eliminating the Speed EVs is fine with me.

The Unlucky one · Feb 13th, 2013, 6:18:36 AM

Alright guys, Nidoqueen skeleton is up. Will work on CC and OO when i have time

Joim · Feb 13th, 2013, 10:36:39 AM

Gastrodon is waiting for its final QC check.

alexwolf · Feb 13th, 2013, 4:34:30 PM

Taking over Tornadus from typon77, as he is too busy irl to finsh this...

Lord of Bays · Feb 13th, 2013, 8:34:04 PM

Slowbro is up and waiting. I've already gotten some feedback, but it's been dead-in-the-water for a few days now.

ThePillsburyDoughBoy · Feb 13th, 2013, 10:40:18 PM

is jolteon available?

**AccidentalGreed** · Feb 13th, 2013, 11:03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fat ThePillsburyDoughBoy

is jolteon available?

http://puu.sh/22fKi

It's in capable hands now.

**AccidentalGreed** · Feb 14th, 2013, 9:25:38 PM

Scolipede has been moved to L&O. Parties still involved or interested in it should express so in this thread or with me.

alexwolf · Feb 15th, 2013, 12:42:42 AM

Tornadus is up!

Jukain · Feb 15th, 2013, 7:47:06 PM

ok

pk asked me to do sceptile so i'm reserving it

alexwolf · Feb 20th, 2013, 1:36:41 PM

Jirachi is not working on Starmie anymore, so it is ~~free~~ up for grabs.

Dark Fallen Angel · Feb 20th, 2013, 2:54:51 PM

I can grab up one more analysis if I am permitted, despite currently working on three already. (I don't know if there's a limit on the number of analysis where you can work)

alexwolf · Feb 20th, 2013, 2:58:53 PM

Yeah it's ok go ahead, as two of the three analyses that you have are already written.

ScraftyIsTheBest · Feb 22nd, 2013, 6:38:52 PM

For the record, Scrafty is up.

And I see Suicune on the list. I want it.

alexwolf · Feb 23rd, 2013, 1:54:34 AM

Hippowdon is done Pocket, you can remove it.

~~Remoraid~~ · Feb 23rd, 2013, 11:20:18 AM

Not sure if this is the right place to post it, but custap berry has be released for a while now, and it is no were to be found on wobbbufett's analysis. I'm just wondering if it included in there, since it's kind of huge. Custap+Destiny bond works really together, I think that may deserve its own set.

Jukain · Feb 24th, 2013, 12:25:47 AM

It's not worth it's own set, but I can SCMS it in when I have time. When that analysis was written, all of the pinch berries were released except Custap, which was released shortly thereafter the analysis went on-site.

BlackLight · Feb 25th, 2013, 8:01:09 PM

Yo, is anyone planning on doing a Ferrothorn revamp anytime soon? The old EV spread is outdated (EVing to survive a Haxorus EQ is pointless now that it has Superpower at its disposal), and I don't think I've ever seen Banded Ferrothorn. Ever. I'd offer to do it myself, but I'm a bit tied up with school atm.

**Pocket** · Feb 25th, 2013, 8:57:47 PM

i think we're handling Ferrothorn via SCMS changes, but I wont mind you put up a thread of the specific changes you want to see on the analysis

Feb 10th, 2013, 9:32:58 PM	#1351
Pocket Bakuman ;< Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,168 Bergenfield	Idk, SMB - seems very situational on paper. We should vote on this :o Who wants to make the finishing touches for Hippowdon? __________________ Dark Horse Project: Conquer the Ladder! \| Word of Wisdom for Trainers \| Smogon Doubles: Let's Make It Official!

Feb 10th, 2013, 9:35:15 PM	#1352
The Unlucky one Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 503 Philippines	Sorry for the delay, the Nidoqueen Skeleton will be up on Wednesday! __________________ 252+ SpA Choice Specs Magikarp Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 84 SpD Ho-Oh in rain: 228-270 (54.93 - 65.06%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock you may know me as "superwii64cube" too

Feb 10th, 2013, 10:32:13 PM	#1354
alexwolf King of Conquerors Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,621 Greece	Taking Hippo :D __________________ Part of the OU QC team, message me for a check!

Feb 10th, 2013, 11:07:08 PM	#1356
alexwolf King of Conquerors Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,621 Greece	Agreeing with LucaroarkZ, no real reason to use Speed EVs anymore. Anyone that wants to speed creep opposing Skarmory, defensive Toed or whatever, can do it on their own discression. __________________ Part of the OU QC team, message me for a check!

Feb 13th, 2013, 6:18:36 AM	#1358
The Unlucky one Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 503 Philippines	Alright guys, Nidoqueen skeleton is up. Will work on CC and OO when i have time __________________ 252+ SpA Choice Specs Magikarp Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 84 SpD Ho-Oh in rain: 228-270 (54.93 - 65.06%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock you may know me as "superwii64cube" too

Feb 13th, 2013, 10:36:39 AM	#1359
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Feb 13th, 2013, 4:34:30 PM	#1360
alexwolf King of Conquerors Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,621 Greece	Taking over Tornadus from typon77, as he is too busy irl to finsh this... __________________ Part of the OU QC team, message me for a check!

Feb 13th, 2013, 8:34:04 PM	#1361
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Feb 13th, 2013, 10:40:18 PM	#1362
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Feb 14th, 2013, 9:25:38 PM	#1364
AccidentalGreed I'll bite off your kneecaps if I ever see a super long post or wall of text. Seriously. Moderator Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,024 California	Scolipede has been moved to L&O. Parties still involved or interested in it should express so in this thread or with me. __________________

Feb 15th, 2013, 12:42:42 AM	#1365
alexwolf King of Conquerors Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,621 Greece	Tornadus is up! __________________ Part of the OU QC team, message me for a check!

Feb 15th, 2013, 7:47:06 PM	#1366
Jukain rip numeros Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,686 somewhere could be anywhere Mentor	ok pk asked me to do sceptile so i'm reserving it __________________ C&C Work \| 1k RMT \| Contribute! \| VM for an OU Rate! \| gp member: vm/pm for a check \| previously pokemon0078 / aka jew-cane

Feb 20th, 2013, 1:36:41 PM	#1367
alexwolf King of Conquerors Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,621 Greece	Jirachi is not working on Starmie anymore, so it is ~~free~~ up for grabs. __________________ Part of the OU QC team, message me for a check! Last edited by alexwolf; Feb 20th, 2013 at 2:03:59 PM.

Feb 20th, 2013, 2:54:51 PM	#1368
Dark Fallen Angel No, I do not speak German, but I wish I could. Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 775 ON A GIRL ROOM :3 :3 :3	I can grab up one more analysis if I am permitted, despite currently working on three already. (I don't know if there's a limit on the number of analysis where you can work) __________________ I am a 18 year old guy that lives on Brazil. I have my own desires and goals, for example, I plan to become a voice actor. I also plan to become a mangaka.

Feb 20th, 2013, 2:58:53 PM	#1369
alexwolf King of Conquerors Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,621 Greece	Yeah it's ok go ahead, as two of the three analyses that you have are already written. __________________ Part of the OU QC team, message me for a check!

Feb 22nd, 2013, 6:38:52 PM	#1370
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Feb 23rd, 2013, 1:54:34 AM	#1371
alexwolf King of Conquerors Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,621 Greece	Hippowdon is done Pocket, you can remove it. __________________ Part of the OU QC team, message me for a check!

Feb 23rd, 2013, 11:20:18 AM	#1372
~~Remoraid~~ Banned deucer. Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 5	Not sure if this is the right place to post it, but custap berry has be released for a while now, and it is no were to be found on wobbbufett's analysis. I'm just wondering if it included in there, since it's kind of huge. Custap+Destiny bond works really together, I think that may deserve its own set.

Feb 24th, 2013, 12:25:47 AM	#1373
Jukain rip numeros Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 1,686 somewhere could be anywhere Mentor	It's not worth it's own set, but I can SCMS it in when I have time. When that analysis was written, all of the pinch berries were released except Custap, which was released shortly thereafter the analysis went on-site. __________________ C&C Work \| 1k RMT \| Contribute! \| VM for an OU Rate! \| gp member: vm/pm for a check \| previously pokemon0078 / aka jew-cane

Feb 25th, 2013, 8:01:09 PM	#1374
BlackLight Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 292	Yo, is anyone planning on doing a Ferrothorn revamp anytime soon? The old EV spread is outdated (EVing to survive a Haxorus EQ is pointless now that it has Superpower at its disposal), and I don't think I've ever seen Banded Ferrothorn. Ever. I'd offer to do it myself, but I'm a bit tied up with school atm.

Feb 25th, 2013, 8:57:47 PM	#1375
Pocket Bakuman ;< Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 7,168 Bergenfield	i think we're handling Ferrothorn via SCMS changes, but I wont mind you put up a thread of the specific changes you want to see on the analysis __________________ Dark Horse Project: Conquer the Ladder! \| Word of Wisdom for Trainers \| Smogon Doubles: Let's Make It Official!